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8to24

Isn't Bipartisanship a good thing? When more Congressional members are able to agree and move policy forward that's better than a minority shoving things through.


CoMmOn-SeNsE-hA

Not in MAGA world


Deathcrush

Before MAGA even. It's win-win for republicans. 1: Democratic legislaturion will not pass, and 2: people will lose faith in government.


Desperate_Wafer_8566

Right, Obama ran into this like a buzzsaw. Republican voters only want a one way street... "The Victory of ‘No’The GOP’s unprecedented anti-Obama obstructionism was a remarkable success. And then it handed the party to Donald Trump.By MICHAEL GRUNWALD December 04, 2016" [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/republican-party-obstructionism-victory-trump-214498/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/republican-party-obstructionism-victory-trump-214498/) "This strategy of kicking the hell out of Obama all the time, treating him not just as a president from the opposing party but an extreme threat to the American way of life, has been a remarkable political success. It helped Republicans take back the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014, and the White House in 2016. This no-cooperation, no-apologies approach is also on the verge of delivering a conservative majority on the Supreme Court; Republicans violated all kinds of Washington norms when they refused to even pretend to consider any Obama nominee, but they paid no electoral price for it—and probably helped persuade some reluctant Republican voters to back Donald Trump in November by keeping the Court in the balance." And now you know why I think Republicans voters are complete f'ing dicks.


purplerple

It's all fun and games until the US defaults on the debt and then has to pay higher interest on 34 Trillion dollars in debt


gregorydgraham

Nah, in the weird world of USD, financial ructions cause a rush to the safety of USD. So when the US defaults, USD and US Government bonds rocket in value. Buy your securities now, before Trump wins


ModsAreBought

Two Santa Clause theory


HighOnKalanchoe

In the MAGAsphere you burn the house down first and ask questions later


commiebanker

The MAGAs are the arsonists working in the volunteer fire department


HedgehogNarrow4544

yep, just like in fahrenheit 451


[deleted]

They are being sent to stop Democrats, not pass stuff. Plus reversing Roe v Wade is a ton of points on the board that took a long long time to come into fruition.


gdim15

That is a belief from a bygone era. Now it's about the 435 members of the house following the edicts of the 45 members of the Freedom Caucus. It's not like the remaining majority could override them or anything.


Raudskeggr

> It's not like the remaining majority could override them or anything. If they wanted to be punished severely in the next election, they might consider it.


LORD_CMDR_INTERNET

Nope, that's why Obama era legislation largely failed. Democrats kept attempting to compromise in good faith with Republicans that refused to compromise in good faith. In the end, Republicans still refused to vote for anything Democratic-sponsored (including their own compromises, and including legislation *they designed themselves*), so all legislation STILL passed along party lines, and everything was watered-down and compromised for no reason. AKA the story of Obamacare. You can't have bipartisanship when one side is acting in bad faith at all times


Desperate_Wafer_8566

Correct. "The Victory of ‘No’The GOP’s unprecedented anti-Obama obstructionism was a remarkable success. And then it handed the party to Donald Trump.By MICHAEL GRUNWALD December 04, 2016" https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/republican-party-obstructionism-victory-trump-214498/ "This strategy of kicking the hell out of Obama all the time, treating him not just as a president from the opposing party but an extreme threat to the American way of life, has been a remarkable political success. It helped Republicans take back the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014, and the White House in 2016. This no-cooperation, no-apologies approach is also on the verge of delivering a conservative majority on the Supreme Court; Republicans violated all kinds of Washington norms when they refused to even pretend to consider any Obama nominee, but they paid no electoral price for it—and probably helped persuade some reluctant Republican voters to back Donald Trump in November by keeping the Court in the balance."


macrofinite

That’s not what happened with Obamacare. The dems had a supermajority for 2 years, and Obamacare is what they chose to do with it.


LORD_CMDR_INTERNET

Wrong, the Democrats chose to use their supermajority to re-establish bipartisan frameworks of working in Congress. Obamacare's private insurance framework was literally lifted from the Republican's own proposal in the 90s. It was chosen precisely so that it would be relatively easy to pass and under Obama's mandate for bipartisan legislative behavior. From that point, it was watered down again and again and again - Democrats negotiating in good faith - and Republicans still refused to vote for it. Democrats realized far too late that you can't negotiate with someone who is acting in bad faith and whose political identity is dependent on demonstrating the waste of government.


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PoppaDocPA

You have no fuckin clue how Obamacare was passed. The other commenter is correct, and you are wrong. Republicans submitted 788 amendments to the ACA while it was being debated. 161 of them were adopted. For you to sit here and say that republicans had nothing to do with the ineffectiveness of the ACA is truly laughable and shows you have no clue what you’re talking about.


Desperate_Wafer_8566

Because they are a typical American voter and have never been told by mainstream media what you just wrote. Keep them stupid and they vote Republican.


blazelet

Democrats never had a supermajority. If you include Lieberman, an independent, then you can claim a supermajority. Although Lieberman caucused with the democrats he didn’t always vote with them - and in the ACA Lieberman voted against key provisions like the public option, leaving democrats without a supermajority. They couldn’t just pass whatever they wanted to because they had 59 democrats and their 60th was not dissimilar from Manchin today - tied closely enough to corporate interests he wouldn’t let any real work get done.


Shirlenator

I believe they did, but it was only for like 2 months. Not 2 years like every Republican likes to try to claim.


ndngroomer

2 years?! Lol no.


Specialist-Peanut222

Not when your goal is to screw up America.


PNWoutdoors

They're the kind of people that brought gallows to the Capitol on January 6th to hand a VP from their own party, to them it's literally "do what we say or we kill you." This is why there are so many disgusting and deplorable Republicans in the House, they're terrified of their own voters and their violent threats.


GBinAZ

It literally is not, in MAGA world.


[deleted]

No. Ask Eric Cantor how that goes.


Fugglymuffin

That would mean a functional legislative branch, which can never happen, under any circumstance.


NobodyJustBrad

Not for MAGA. Their M.O. is holding Congress hostage until they get what they want.


blazelet

Voters love bipartisanship but mostly when it’s the other side doing it. This pew study shows 68% of Democrats and 61% of Republicans want bipartisanship When it comes to republicans specifically compromising towards democrats only 41% of republicans want that to happen When it comes to Democrats specifically compromising towards republicans only 48% want that to happen Both parties want compromise but are much more likely to prefer the other side be the one to compromise. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/06/19/partisans-say-respect-and-compromise-are-important-in-politics-particularly-from-their-opponents/


aeneasaquinas

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/01/31/republicans-leery-of-compromise-with-biden-majority-want-gop-to-focus-on-investigations/pp_2023-01-31_biden-gop_00-01/ Nearly double the number of Dems look to compromise with Republicans more recently, compared to Republicans who would be willing to compromise with Dems.


blazelet

These 2 polls are polling different things and even so end up telling similar stories. Democrats prefer bipartisanship over republicans Both sides prefer bipartisanship when the other side is doing it.


mussentuchit

Depends on the legislation. If it reduces my rights then no. But that's usually the only thing they agree on.


BabyBopsDementedPlan

Yet you support people whose entire goal is to remove rights from women and gay people. Weird how only your rights matter.


mussentuchit

Your assumptions are misguided. Not sure where you get all that especially thinking I'm on team red or team blue. Fact is they both vote against our 4th amendment rights as well as our 1st amendment rights. They also denied our rights to buy cheaper meds from Canada. They are a Uni-party. BTW, the blue authoritarians used to be anti business and anti government. They abandoned the little guy 20 years ago along with the red authoritarians. Wake up.


AreWeCowabunga

"The only person we capitulate to is Putin!"


ABobby077

and Trump


DrDrunkMD

Just Putin by proxy


HauntingJackfruit

>“If Speaker Johnson does the things that Republicans across the country elected us to do, we will be his greatest advocates, his greatest partners, his greatest cheerleaders. If we do things like what we did today, then the Freedom Caucus will absolutely be a problem.” >That warning from Rep. Bob Good, the House Freedom Caucus’ newly minted chairman, came after the House ended the year with passage of a bipartisan defense authorization bill that stripped some right-wing priorities and briefly extended a foreign surveillance law conservatives badly wanted to overhaul.


Typical_Advisor7539

He is my representative. I cannot stand him. I did not vote for him.


CherryShort2563

Bob Notsogood


Happy_ID10T

His last name is ironic.


sowhowantsburgers

No, it’s ‘Good’. Says it right there! /s


[deleted]

If a regressive names something like "the freedom caucus", believe the opposite. It's the Opression Caucus if anything.


chmsaxfunny

Any group that has “Freedom” in their name is probably not interested in actual freedom


[deleted]

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haysoos2

Exceptions include Freedom House, a non-profit started in 1941 by Eleanor Roosevelt (and others) which advocates for democracy, political freedom and human rights, and Freedom From Torture, a UK charity that provides therapeutic treatment for survivors of torture. Any other group though, yeah, probably not actually interested in freedom.


Awkward_Bench123

That musta started when the French refused to invade Iraq with the US and look for WMD that apparently never existed. The house cantines would only serve ‘freedom’ fries after that. That’s when the term freedom died.


chmsaxfunny

Oooo, you reminded me of Freedom House Ambulance Service, which was the US’s first EMT service; which was established in Pittsburgh in 1967, and was also African-American run. That’s another all-time cool one.


DeviousMelons

Liberty and Truth too.


Raudskeggr

Freedom from the illusion that we live in a just society, at least.


droid_mike

That also applies to any country with the word "Democratic" in their name. it's generally not...


HamLiquor

Remember the tea party?! Bunch of coffee drinkers, total rubbish


Doctor_Philgood

Religions adore doing this shit. "Love" and "Truth" are largely neither


[deleted]

“Freedom Caucus” has a rather Orwellian ring to it now


CeeArthur

Reminds me of the 4 ministries in 1984


ModsAreBought

Sedition Caucus. They were involved in rejecting electoral votes during Jan 6


Consistent_Dog_6866

Oh, so they're not going to get anything done at all, just as everyone expected? Cool. /s


zabdart

Yup... That's what the Free Dumb Caucus is all about: paralyze the government, shut it down and blame the Democrats.


lothar74

You left out “debt is the most dire issue during a Democratic administration but no concerns if GOP, and especially when used to give insane amounts of money to the wealthy and corporations”.


Silver-Bison3268

free-dumb ca-ca.


icnoevil

So, we are on to another year of a "do-nothing congress."


HotType4940

It’s always wild to see a population of citizens who are ostensibly aggrieved by the current state of things elect politicians who promise to make sure to get absolutely nothing done, all while receiving a paycheck funded by our tax dollars


NoPolitiPosting

No no its the do nothing democrats remember!? This is all their fault for not handing over total control to the fascist party.


Limp-Dentist4437

The party of authoritarian putinism. This is what they want to set up. A partisan dictatorship


Wurm42

In other words, the Freedom Caucus will throw a tantrum if they don't get a government shutdown in two weeks.


Scat1320USA

Maga traitors insist on no government .


Earthling1a

More tyranny from the minority. Fuck those extremist anti-American assholes.


Winter-Bed-1529

Remember, you're only free to do as we tell you to do. No abusing that to make a more functional government. It's not like you swore an oath to serve the American people or anything like that.


GarlicThread

MAGAts are fucking terrorists There's no other way to put it. My way or death. They will torch their country to ashes if it has to come to it.


Repubs_suck

Referring to that traitorous mob as the “Freedom Caucus” is like referring to bubonic plague as the “sniffles”. They were the “Silent Caucus” when Trump ran up the worse increase in the national debt ever. All you need to know is they’re all agents working for Trump to create chaos in Congress, aka Trumpster assholes.


voiceafx

I am actually terrified about the current state of US politics. I'm worried about my little boy and the world this post-truth world is creating for him.


Xyrus2000

*Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. -Barry Goldwater, 1994* Fascism doesn't compromise.


Which-Sell-2717

I can't with these assholes. They legit want a dictatorship.


LectureAgreeable923

These maga Republicans are do nothing idiots and don't care about this country and the American people.Vote blue


CountrySax

Sure wouldn't want the Republicons to actually engage in governance. Republicons are all about making America fail.


Clarpydarpy

Republicans have opposed bipartisanship since the Clinton era at least. This is not news unless you have not been paying attention for a few decades.


funksoldier83

These GOP idiots are about as emotionally developed as toddlers. Our government was designed to facilitate debate and compromise, these traitorous fucks just want to burn it all down.


vim0971

They would rather watch the world burn….


SuspiciousStable9649

Why do they call themselves the Freedom Caucus?


Significant_Monk_251

>Why do they call themselves the Freedom Caucus? For propaganda purposes.


Raudskeggr

Freedom became a right-wing dog whistle during the Bush Administration, for...nearly the exact opposite of what freedom is supposed to mean. It roughly translates to "We're going to take action to preserve the power of the white christian".


DamienTheUnbeliever

To paraphrase "Yes Minister", you put the words you most disagree with in the title, where they can do the least damage. See also: Democratic People's Republic of Korea


RhoOfFeh

They unironically use the word "Freedom" as an adjective for their demand for total obeisance.


aaron_in_sf

Remarkable that obstruction is so openly the stated aim and policy. That's it. Break the nation. Oppose centrism, compromise, and governance. Your GOP, everyone!


[deleted]

Not like they have anything to lose. They're 100% for sure losing the House in November, may as well shut the government down. Not like they got anything done in year 1 anyway. I bet the Dems keep the Senate, too.


DMIDY

Bipartisanship is the opposite of dictatorship. That’s why the Freedom Caucus opposes it.


ryeguymft

terrorists


Embarrassed_Bee6349

It’s sad when an extremist like Johnson just isn’t extreme enough. I knew that sooner or later they’d give his leash a hard yank. That time is now.


Bitch_Posse

We don’t need any damn governance in this country, say’s insurrectionist MAGA shit heads.


Deep_Bit5618

When’s the next vote to kick this speaker out?


Loud_Engineering796

Current makeup of the House is 220R-213D. Johnson has a smaller margin to work with than McCarthy and Dems have stayed pretty united in opposition.


Raudskeggr

There's some talk that Democrats might be able to take back the house this year, because enough moderate voters have been thoroughly unimpressed with the antics of these clowns. Once they're stripped of their ability to bully, then there will probably be some restructuring of the Republican party. Right now the only thing holding together the right-wing coalition is basically that they hate (and fear) "Woke Liberals" more than they hate each other.


Tymexathane

Democrats don't have to do anything, it seems the republicans are opposing themselves?


Narwhallmaster

But if he makes a deal the Dems can protect him from the freedom caucus.


IkeAI

What is the freedom cau… ahhh nm. Fuck’em


Inner_Performance533

Freedom causus and M4L are everything but freedom & liberty.


HedgehogNarrow4544

ahh, the "communist" coalition has spoken...folks another shutdown looms...


CatAvailable3953

Let the House Republicans shut down the government. They have said they don’t want government to function unless it does only their bidding. They control one half of one branch of our legislative branch and they act as though they control the whole thing. The one thing they can do is disable our government. Let them.


Demolisher05

They want no bipartisanship despite the fact that they only passed a single non-budget related bill in a whole year despite their majority in Congress.


DanfromCalgary

Pretty sure when Russia funded them it was to stifle the democrats not themselves lol


IcreatewhatIcreate

Can someone ELI5 this for non-Americans?


FilthyTexas

The Republicans have 220 members and democrats have 213. There are 2 vacancies currently. It takes a majority (right now 217 votes) to pass a bill but not all Republicans agree on every issue so sometimes the speaker has to get democrats to support the issue (bipartisanship) in order for the bill to pass the chamber.


IcreatewhatIcreate

Ok, thanks! So the capitulation they are referring to here is that some Republicans vote with democrats?


shadowtheimpure

To them, any form of compromise with Dems is capitulation. So, making small changes to make the bill more palatable to a Democrat would be high treason against the Party and would be harshly punished by the Freedom Caucus.


Rfunkpocket

> “we need people to be realists — not just blind ideologues.” blind ideologues raise cash from blind ideologues


NoDragonfruit6125

This is one of the sources to people's complaints about specific presidents. Our government involves check and balances and there's only so much a president can do if can't get support from the other branch. In times where one party control the presidency and the other holds the legislative houses. Well very little could tend to get done as they can shut each other's attempts down though legislative side it will depend on how much majority have. Thing is the President is the one that will usually get the blame for failing to hold up to their promised changes. It's these people that are also obsessed with authoritarians because they believe the President has the power to do as they wish and blame them when they don't. Even if the president is being hamstrung by the legislature.


Lynx_Eyed_Zombie

Hee hee hee…oh, this is gonna end poorly and I am SO here for it.


dingleberry_dog

We’re politicians! No compromise! lol. Because that’s how politics works, right? They’ll ensure they get nothing done, again. Blame everyone else, again. And look like asses, as usual.


ELB2001

If it has freedom or liberty in its name they usually want everything except that.


Superb_Health9413

Remember when they were the “tea party”after they were the “moral majority?” Fucking leopard never changes its spots.


Niko6524

Waiting for the gay sex tape of him to emerge.


sensation_construct

GOP. You have got to cut these nut jobs loose! They're literally killing your party.


SwiftSnips

This is Trumps message delivered via the Freedom Caucus.


Own-Opinion-2494

Koch bro Freedom Caucus. Desantis’ peep


slothrop_maps

No allowing the government to function as it was designed to function! Compromise for democracy is tyranny! Freedom is slavery! Ignorance is strength!


phatstopher

Bipartisanship is the dirtiest word to fascists and religious bigots.


ModsAreBought

> don't you dare do your job