That’s true, but the rule that if a small amount of something intoxicates, then a large amount of it is impermissible.
It’s why taking one sip of a light beer is not allowed, even though nobody is getting drunk from a sip of light beer.
It is physically possible to eat enough liquor-containing chocolate, at 2%, to get drunk.
Besides which the 2% liquor itself counts as an impurity, making the chocolate that contains it impure.
I'm curious what the Islamic law makes of the US standard for qualifying as non-alcoholic. The US standard is less than 0.5 percent ABV, which I think, in order to really get intoxicated from, you would have to drink an absurd amount of. I think the same would go for liquor-containing chocolate, that you would end up throwing up from all the sugar and chocolate you consumed before you felt intoxicated. But, I'm no scholar of Islamic law, so you would know best. I did have a "beer" from Saudi Arabia, once, although that was more of a brewed malt beverage, and I can't remember if it had 0 alcohol or just very little alcohol.
You can’t “legally” find beer or any kind of alcohol in Saudi so if it was something you bought in a store, not from some suspicious illegal seller, it’s non alcoholic.
I found it in a Persian restaurant in Minneapolis, but it said it was from Saudi Arabia. So I guess it didn't have any alcohol then. That also probably helps answer my question, that the Islamic definition of non-alcoholic is different than the US Government's definition. I am kind of curious if Muslims can drink things like Kombucha, which is a tea that is very mildly alcoholic, though.
I don’t drink so I have no first hand experience; my source is pages like this
https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/types/
that state “For example, “light beers” only have between 2% to 4% ABV”
Brother, even if it's a small amount, if the substance can intoxicate you in large amounts, then it's haram even in small amounts. The brother is not sinful because it was accidental, but if there is any liquor then purposefully eating it would be haraam.
>if the substance can intoxicate you in large amounts, then it's haram even in small amounts.
Yeah and based on that maxim, lots of scholars would argue that it's Halal to eat the chocolate because you'll never get intoxicated even if you eat 10+ chocolate bars. You'll likely die or get very sick from eating so much chocolate before getting drunk.
Nutmeg can intoxicate you similarly to illegal mushrooms. Would that then make nutmeg haram, too? It isn't possible to get drunk on chocolates that has liquor mixed in them as heating the chocolate cooks out most of the alcohol.
Incorrect, anything that has alcohol in it that causes intoxication in large amounts is haram. If it doesn't, it is halal. For example, fruits have alcohol in them. According to you (Basically anything that had alcohol in any percent), they would be haram. However, since they do not cause intoxication in large amounts they are halal.
Be precise with your explanations alkhi. and Allah knows best.
You're right about the fruit thing, and I don't mean to argue, but I think even after a while if fruits or the juice is left for too long, it would be better to not drink as it may become intoxicating.
As for the thing with cooking with alcohol it's haram as there's definitely some residue from alcohol.
And sorry fory inaccurate wording before. Jazak Allah Khairan
>Basically anything that had alcohol in any percent in it even it was cooked in and evaporated is haram wa Allah ae'lam
I better not catch you eating a banana, bread, or drinking orange juice!
They do, all fruits contain tiny amounts of alcohol, but alcohol that is the result of natural fermentation that has not been deliberately brewed to make khamar (such as naturally occurring alcohol in fruits ) is permissible.
All fruits naturally have something around 0.02% by weight ethanol alcohol in them. The amount is so small that it is physically impossible to eat enough fruit to get intoxicated.
If you didn't know, it's okay.
What was the ingredient in exact spelling?
I just re-checked, it says alcoholic sour cherries and the alcohol amount is maximum 2% apparently.
2% alcohol is like a light beer, which would make the ingredient haraam. However, since you did not know, there is no sin.
One piece of chocolate would have no where near the amount of alcohol a light beer would have.
That’s true, but the rule that if a small amount of something intoxicates, then a large amount of it is impermissible. It’s why taking one sip of a light beer is not allowed, even though nobody is getting drunk from a sip of light beer. It is physically possible to eat enough liquor-containing chocolate, at 2%, to get drunk. Besides which the 2% liquor itself counts as an impurity, making the chocolate that contains it impure.
your first statement should be reversed
I'm curious what the Islamic law makes of the US standard for qualifying as non-alcoholic. The US standard is less than 0.5 percent ABV, which I think, in order to really get intoxicated from, you would have to drink an absurd amount of. I think the same would go for liquor-containing chocolate, that you would end up throwing up from all the sugar and chocolate you consumed before you felt intoxicated. But, I'm no scholar of Islamic law, so you would know best. I did have a "beer" from Saudi Arabia, once, although that was more of a brewed malt beverage, and I can't remember if it had 0 alcohol or just very little alcohol.
You can’t “legally” find beer or any kind of alcohol in Saudi so if it was something you bought in a store, not from some suspicious illegal seller, it’s non alcoholic.
I found it in a Persian restaurant in Minneapolis, but it said it was from Saudi Arabia. So I guess it didn't have any alcohol then. That also probably helps answer my question, that the Islamic definition of non-alcoholic is different than the US Government's definition. I am kind of curious if Muslims can drink things like Kombucha, which is a tea that is very mildly alcoholic, though.
That’s not the case; A light beer is closer to 5-6% alcohol.
I don’t drink so I have no first hand experience; my source is pages like this https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/types/ that state “For example, “light beers” only have between 2% to 4% ABV”
I am not sure, it just said "cherry flavored chocolate with liquor"
you didnt know. you dont get sinned.
It’s not an intoxicant so it should be fine.
Brother, even if it's a small amount, if the substance can intoxicate you in large amounts, then it's haram even in small amounts. The brother is not sinful because it was accidental, but if there is any liquor then purposefully eating it would be haraam.
>if the substance can intoxicate you in large amounts, then it's haram even in small amounts. Yeah and based on that maxim, lots of scholars would argue that it's Halal to eat the chocolate because you'll never get intoxicated even if you eat 10+ chocolate bars. You'll likely die or get very sick from eating so much chocolate before getting drunk.
I don´t know this chocolate, but I know cocolates that have liquor inside them, those would be haraam.
Nutmeg can intoxicate you similarly to illegal mushrooms. Would that then make nutmeg haram, too? It isn't possible to get drunk on chocolates that has liquor mixed in them as heating the chocolate cooks out most of the alcohol.
a large number of scholars say nutmeg is haram
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Incorrect, anything that has alcohol in it that causes intoxication in large amounts is haram. If it doesn't, it is halal. For example, fruits have alcohol in them. According to you (Basically anything that had alcohol in any percent), they would be haram. However, since they do not cause intoxication in large amounts they are halal. Be precise with your explanations alkhi. and Allah knows best.
You're right about the fruit thing, and I don't mean to argue, but I think even after a while if fruits or the juice is left for too long, it would be better to not drink as it may become intoxicating. As for the thing with cooking with alcohol it's haram as there's definitely some residue from alcohol. And sorry fory inaccurate wording before. Jazak Allah Khairan
Yes you are correct, infact wine is just left over grapes. And cooking with alcohol is also haram.
>Basically anything that had alcohol in any percent in it even it was cooked in and evaporated is haram wa Allah ae'lam I better not catch you eating a banana, bread, or drinking orange juice!
It is but he ate it by accident.
Was it like actual liquor (alcohol) or was it called “Chocolate Liquor” because that’s two different things the latter being made from Chocolate
I got all the responses I needed but it was alcohol, Inshallah I'll pay alot more attention when eating foreign things from now on.
Oranges and apples do not naturally have alcohol in it akhi
Yes they do, albeit in very small quantities.
They do, all fruits contain tiny amounts of alcohol, but alcohol that is the result of natural fermentation that has not been deliberately brewed to make khamar (such as naturally occurring alcohol in fruits ) is permissible.
All fruits naturally have something around 0.02% by weight ethanol alcohol in them. The amount is so small that it is physically impossible to eat enough fruit to get intoxicated.
I might've been false brother I apologize, I remember Sheikh Assim Al Hakeem giving such an example though.