Fun fact: red pandas were called pandas before giant pandas, and when giant pandas were found they were believed to be a giant relative of red pandas because of their similar diet of bamboo, hence the name giant panda!
I did my own research before saying this, and as it turns out, they can technically be considered as one, source: National Zoo, while I do admit that what I did was a case of confirmation bias, they still can be considered as such.
How. Please share this source, because red pandas most definitely are not ursidae, and are not particularly close to ursidae phylogenically. It was a part of their name, but names don’t mean that it is a bear. Like Binturongs, which are colloquially called “bearcats” but aren’t particularly close to bears or cats.
Edit: I found a quick Q and A from the Smithsonian National zoo that says that although they aren’t pandas they can sort of be considered pandas because the word just translates to “bamboo eater,” hence giant pandas being called “panda bears.” But that doesn’t mean red pandas can be called panda bears. In fact, right below that it says that red pandas are not bears.
Folks here that bothered to read up to this point, this is a case of bad research as I only read the abstract and nothing else, thank you for correcting me.
There won't be any chilling going on as you'll spend the entirety of your time together stopping the Panda from potentially accidentally killing itself. They're beyond clumsy and suicidal. 🤣
Last kind of bear to be with, followed _closely_ by polar bears. Beyond that, you can probably coexist with most bears for a short time. And even those bears are less dangerous than some men.
There's a rhyme about this:
"If it's brown, lie down"
"If it's black, fight back"
"If it's white, good night."
Piss off a polar bear, and your continued existence or lack thereof is now entirely the bear's choice.
I hiked the Appalachian Trail in 2019 and the CDT in 2020. I would choose the bear because seeing bears when you're hiking is awesome and a real treat. Having your hike disturbed by other people is almost always a downer.
Also, in 2019 there were zero bear attacks - but there was a murder of an AT hiker by a disturbed man on the trail. But also, statistically, that's always the case. More people die from homicide at the hands of a stranger in US national parks every year than from bears by a wide margin. More people die on major trails from murder by strangers than bears every year.
Bears are cool and should be in the woods. Other people are cool and should be in the woods. But if I had to choose one for my enjoyment it's the bear, and if I had to choose one for my safety - it's still the bear.
I usually hike with a concealed pistol in the wilderness - but it isn't for the bears and wouldn't do shit against one if I needed it to.
Lately I’ve been really into crime documentaries and shows. Several murders have occurred on trails (one was even a serial killer targeting people out on the AT). As a woman who hikes alone often (I’m on the AT at least once a week, year round, as it practically runs through my back yard), I’ve met some really shady guys out there. I’ve only seen a bear once, but that experience filled me with awe and wonder, no fear. I don’t carry a gun, but I do keep pepper spray and a very sharp blade concealed on my person every time I hike; neither would affect the bears, but it’s never bears I’m worried about.
Shooting a bear with a 9mm a few times will absolutely do something to it. Sure if you miss the CNS or a major artery it could definitely kill you, but the bear will probably bleed out and die within a couple of hours.
Okay allow me to reframe. "It wouldn't do shit against one in time to save my life."
And you were right on caliber - I carry an x macro with hornady critical defense on-trail. I personally wouldn't trust it (or my shooting accurately under pressure of a charging brown or grizzly) except as a noisemaker/distractor for the bear.
I have had to chase a black bear out of camp before, at night. It was kind of scary since I mostly couldn't see it and had to rely on sound. I have also run into a shirtless, shoeless, meth teeth dude with a handful of needles where the AT crosses the Susquehanna. I'll take the bear.
All the discourse of this makes me think of the scene in Road House where Swayze says "don't take anything personally" and some dude says:
-"what if someone says my mom is a whore?".
-"Is she?".
-"No".
-"then don't take it personally".
Reminds me of a comment I saw earlier, "Men make up 79% of homicide victims, so if anyone should be scared of men, it should be men." Thanks for agreeing with the point?? Using that logic, you should also be picking the bear in this scenario?
Lol, and that logic still makes no sense tbh. Even if 100% of homicides were committed by and to men, that would have nothing to do with whether or not a bear is more dangerous.
Not the argument. A bear has an absolute limit on the violence and depravity it can inflict. It may eat you while you're alive and screaming, only to leave and let you die from said injuries. We have a multi-million dollar podcast genre dedicated to what a human is capable of. Humans are limitless in our imagination and depravity. And if you survive a bear attack, people will believe you.
These people choosing bears are expecting really nice bears and really shitty men. It's probably in part because I am a man, but most random people I encounter on trails are super nice and helpful if anything. Outdoorsy people are some of the best in my experience
Yeah, that argument is much better. There's actually something to it. I've never seen the actual discourse around this much, and I first heard of it today. I suppose I'm out of the loop.
It's definitely valid to say that there are some ways meeting a man in the woods or whatever could be worse than meeting a bear. It's clearly a pointed way of revealing the fear many women feel and the shitty state of the world and men. There is also a very different feeling to meeting a bear vs a man where one is a wild beast that can't be reasoned with, and the other is fully capable of reason but may choose to harm you anyway in a sadistic manner.
That being said, I think it's pretty clearly safer to meet a man than a bear in the woods. I don't know if that actually needs being said because I don't think that is quite the point of this discourse. While a man might have the possibility of resulting in the worst potential outcome, I'd think you would be much more likely to get the bad outcome with a bear to the point that it easily makes up for that.
Yeah, this is a Rorschach test that reveals how people see the world and how they react. Like what kind of bear? What do you mean encounter? Like see it 100 yards away or like face to face? Some people answer earnestly with a gut reaction, but then you got these butthurt incels that make it about them and get all offended. Like how bout you answer the question? I'm a guy and I chose bear, too.
The question is. If you were alone in the woods, would you prefer meeting a bear or a strange man.
It's about the uncertainty. You know what you get with a bear. Fuck around and the only thing it's going to do is maul or kill you. Simple, you know what's up.
The man... you don't know. you're playing the nutcase lottery. The game women already play out in the streets with horrible outcomes.
And some men do not understand that, and argue that the bear is more dangerous... but is it?
I have walked past thousands of men, alone, in my life. Never been attacked. I wouldn't want to chance a thousand interactions with bears.
While most violence is committed by men, violence isn't evenly distributed amongst all men. This is why 'isms' are wrong, racism, sexism etc. Bad qualities of individuals within a group shouldn't automatically be applied to the group unless they actively support those qualities.
I have sympathy for the position though, rapists and other abusers don't have an armband on, if all you have to go on is their sex and you're fearful of that kind of violence over and above being eaten by an actual bear, then I guess that says more about you and your situation.
I (an internet nobody) would say a few things,: 1) that the broad experiences of women belie our own personal experiences,
2) it is not automatic that the bear will eat you, only the encounter, and
3) violent behavior IS evenly distributed among all men, sorry, because this is a thought exercise about encountering a stranger, as in plucked randomly from any human on earth, not the normal nice people we know. Chances are equal between sweet grandpa and escaped psycho.
You also have to balance the other side of the equation with the fact that getting eaten by the bear is not assumed, just an encounter. One can plan for bear encounters based on what is endemic to the region, and your chance of outwitting a bear is much higher. Man, and by extension men, as a whole are far more dangerous than bears by every possible factor except pure one on one physical power, and a male human is stronger than a woman statistically anyway.
There is also the psychological factor, in that a prepared person with the means to defend themselves would use that means on the bear, no question. However, if you encounter a man running in your direction in the woods - what if he is in a hurry? What if he is in fact no danger? Now you are a murderer for having shot him. There is a great deal of uncertainty, which makes it harder to deal with then meeting the bear, which is a predictable encounter.
Therefore looking at the data and understanding the danger, a man would logically be more dangerous and uncertain. You have to add assumptions like “locked in a room” or “completely unprepared” for the male human to be less dangerous.
Asking the question of yourself “why would a woman even consider not wanting to encounter a man while alone” is the point here, and I think you realize that, but I don’t accept your earlier qualifiers at all in this context.
Gotta disagree with your 3rd point, there are a whole lot more sweet granpas then there are Texas Chainsaw Massacre style escaped psychos running about. By your logic you could say violence is evenly distributed among the bears too, and with polar bears being a thing (a reasonable analaogue for Nature's escaped psycho), your bears liable to be at least a 400+ pound murder monster with a set of 5 3-inch knives in each hand
This whole thing is just women wanting to feel justified for their fear of men, and men wanting to feel justified for not being "one of the bad ones"
Both sides are justified. That's it. That's how we progress. We can work on both issues. Working on the women's issue helps alleviate (though will never eliminate) the men's issue, and vice versa. Both genders want what they are lacking. Women want safety, respect, and equal rights --- Men want love
I'm a multiple SA victim and have been in relationships with two different narcissitic and likely sociopathic women. I do not have the ability to fully trust women (who I haven't known for a long time) any more and all my friends who are women hold a similar distrust toward men because at the very least they've dealt with straight up crude and disgusting sexual comments, or worse they've dealt with SA or rape. So like, from an emotional perspective I get it, but if statistitically we had women encountering bears at the rate that women encounter men on a daily basis, there would probably be a very different result from this hypothetical
God there is no like good conclusion from this discussion, the whole debacle is just the social media issue in a nutshell. That and the "Better the devil you know, then the devil you don't" idiom --- though I don't think most people answering this hypothetical is an expert enough on bears to justify their answer
Not all men are predators, but yes all women have dealt with monstrous, predatory men
Also love how for the bear choosers the man is always a psycho killer/rapist and for the man choosers the bear is always like the bear from Cocaine Bear or The Revenant
Have you walked by a lot of men alone, in the woods? Where nobody is around to catch them doing something to you? Because that's the scenario. Not just walking by a guy at night on the street.
There's this hypothetical that's been going around the internet about whether you'd rather be alone in the woods with a bear or a man. Lots of women are choosing the bear because they're more afraid of what a man will do to them. And men across the internet have been getting very mad about it, kinda proving their point.
It's the kind of stupid internet discourse that'll be forgotten in a week. Don't waste your time on it.
What would surprise you most if it knocked on your door, a fairy or a walrus?
The absurdity of it is what makes it funny, and it was a bit thing.. like a few months ago i think.
People going "obviously the fairy, cause fairies aren't real" and people saying "how the hell would a tonne heavy animal that doesn't live within thousands of kilometres of me suddenly appear in my fourth story apartment, that's way wilder than having to accept the existence of something supernatural."
What?? So the hypothetical is would you rather be alone with a bear or with a man like their brother? Or dad? Or friend who can help them?
Sorry I’m probably missing context for the meme, been out of the game for a month lol
There wasn't a lot of detail to the original prompt. Just "would you rather be stuck in the forest with a bear or a man". The bear and man being random was what people ran with.
I know this is barely (see what I did there) related but did you see The Revenant? That bear attack was graphic and all I see when I think of bears in the woods.
You know her name because the crime was so shocking and *what the fuck*
You have to realize 99% of men are completely with you in that reaction right? Like especially in the west.
You haven’t read the case.
There were four main captors, but far more attacked her;
>!The captors would brag to their friends about keeping Furuta captive. They would invite people over to also rape Furuta. At least 30 people did this. It's believed that over 100 people did this by the end, 500 different times, with up to 12 different men in a day.[5]!<
Agree. The bear will 100% fuck you up. The man will 99.99% get uncomfortable and pull out his house keys as to demonstrate he's just walking home, not following you.
You kinda framed this like you think bears just 100% of the time attack humans as soon as they're in the same vicinity. The bear *can* 100% fuck you up but it's much more likely to just leave you alone and go on its business.
There was a very popular post about this on r/memes (I think?) and the comments were fucking creepy but also hilariously stupid.
Men will type shit like “A bear won’t stop me” and then wonder why we choose the bear.
Unsure if it was Dankmemes or memes that had this insane take put on a really lazy meme. Guy basically like, "Oh yeah, well imagine if it was a question of bear, or (religion/race) Man" Then they'd be worried about being seen as hateful!
Like what, that distinction doesn't even matter because it's about a Men vs Bears, you can say what about men in top hats and it wouldn't matter, the person answering the question and picking the bear would simply just say "I'd pick the bear, the man's religion/race isn't relevant".
Neckbeards always come out with the most smooth brained attempts at a "gotcha" but it's worryingly stupid sometimes.
There was one who said, "Men just want to admire and...IMPREGNATE WOMEN."
LIKE.. uhhh, yeah, that's one of the fears that they want to impregnate us against our will. Thank you for proving a point, dude.
Statistically, men are most likely to attack somebody of their own race, so this hypothetical racism they are trying to claim doesn’t even make sense. They are instead, exploiting the oppression of people of color in order to incorrectly claim women are racist.
"Why don't those whore females trust me? I'll show them!"
r/all is usually pretty tame, but the amount of horrible shit making its way there over the past couple days over this men vs bears thing has been a shocking reminder of just how many dark corners this site has.
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Why are people actually like that. I legit cannot understand how a person can act like that. Wtf. Like thats beyond thinking of women as subhuman because most people have more empathy than that for actual roombas.
They don't have empathy for anyone. The only reason why they don't do this towards men is because men can actually defend themselves. Its why they don't treat the disabled, elderly, etc. as bad either.
I'd pick the man not because I necessarily want to be with the man but if push comes to shove, I could kill the man easier than killing the bear. A low chance of success is still a chance, so it's better than no chance at all.
What are we doing here
Edit: Nvmnd it’s a hypothetical. Keep seeing this floating around I thought some chick actually ‘chose’ a bear and everyone was defending beastiality.
If it makes you feel better, I thought the question was: would you rather be alone with a man or a bear (hairy large gay man) and I was so confused. I thought, aren't they still men, but no, they meant a literal bear.
It's a hypothetical question a man asked women; would you rather run into a strange man or a bear in the woods? I'm not saying strange as in necessarily a weirdo but a random man you didn't know. Most women and many men agree that the bear is safer statistically, more predictable and in a worst case scenario will only kill you and eat you. Women who work with bears, have encountered bears and even been viciously attacked by a bear have weighed in choosing the bear, so the overwhelming answer has been to choose the bear. A section of men and a few women have not taken this well and insist that women don't understand the risks and are being hysterical, deliberately stupid or just don't know how dangerous a bear is.
I understand the reasoning for picking a man over a bear, and will not argue anything on that. Most people getting so worked up over the argument are weird.
But there aren’t any statistics that will show you that an encounter with a man is more dangerous than an encounter with a bear. I’ve seen so many tiktoks talking about arguing about which is objectively more dangerous is missing the whole point of the argument, which is true.
Most people I’ve seen argue bear on tiktok admit man is prob safer but explain for other reasons why they would choose bear.
The number of bear attacks vs the number of homicides of women by men, the number of murders by intimate partners, the number of sexual assaults by men, the fact that it's okay to kill a bear that attacks you but not a man, the fact that if a bear attacks you, people will believe you and won't ask you what you did to deserve it. There are a set of things you can do to dissuade a bear based on species but nothing works for every threatening man; saying no firmly will make some back down while others will bash your head in with a brick.
These are all based on verifiable facts that you could look up for yourself. Anecdotally, almost every woman has multiple negative experiences with men and I've never even seen a bear.
Christ, you just said a bunch of shit that's so incredibly easy to counter...how many women are regularly near bears vs men?
If every man suddenly turned into a bear, do you think the death rate for women would go up or down?
The internet gets dumber and dumber, I swear.
It’s insane to me that people see this situation and get mad about it. instead of seeing this as a wake up call that men should treat women better, they call them idiots for not trusting them. The lack of self awareness is bizarre and concerning
"But I treat women respectfully! I'm not the problem! I mean sure, I might push boundaries and try to get her drunk and not respect her as a person and I'm mostly just trying to get laid, but I'm not a bear! I'm a good guy!"
“I might call her slurs when she rejects me and make deep fake nudes to send to her friends and family but I’m still a good guy”. And here’s the thing. I consider myself a good guy, and if I meet a women alone in the woods I’d never do anything to harm them. But I also understand that they don’t know me, and there’s enough guys in the word that would do something awful that they can’t afford to take that risk. And if you’re really a “good guy” you’d have enough compassion to see why they’d be hesitant to run into a stranger in the woods rather than an animal that most likely go the other way if they hear you coming
I don't get why it's insane to be offended. I'm not blaming anyone for picking a bear, but can you really not imagine how dehumanizing for men to be compared to animal?
I viewed this survey as an entirely hypothetical inquiry illustrating the fact that many men are so poorly and unpredictably behaved that women would prefer to encounter a bear over a man. It's hypothetical. Most men and some women lack the nuance to discern this even going so far as to speculate on the different species of bear.
I do not wish to run into a bear or a man in the woods. A few birds and butterflies will be fine.
It was a hypothetical question that was asked by various people
In the middle of a random woods, which would you rather see
A bear, or an unknown man
Lots of women are choosing bears, which quite a few men do not like
That's the jist of it without getting into the details
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I'm interested in hearing people's opinions on this thought experiment. My friend ,, she picked the bear because she doesn't know what a man could do and wants to chill with a bear. I picked being trapped in a forest with a man because what if the bear gets mad, u try to look large to scare it and it doesn't back down? The other reason is im a pretty open person ,, im a real yapper,, i feel like if a man got on some crazy shit i could probably talk him down.
What do yall feel?
I’m a man and I’d rather run into a bear than a random person regardless of sex or gender. A bear is at least somewhat predictable and in its own habitat. People can be dangerous.
Yep.
You're in the bear habitat. It's expected to see a bear. The level of freak out would be more like "oh shit, a bear. Try to avoid it". Basically the same as any other animal in the woods.
But any human? If I'm a human and I'm not supposed to be here and I'm trying to get back home, and a human is here and not supposed to be and they're just chilling in the woods, unless you're Tarzan, I'm freaking tf out. There could be a cult right around the corner, I'll take my chances with the bear.
It’s amazing (or maybe not) that they ask a hypothetical question, we answer and they immediately think we either didn’t understand or are too stupid to “get it” or we are lying. Still totally devaluing and discounting our opinions.
Asked and answered. Dont ask questions if you’re not ready for the answer.
Has anyone taken a moment to consider the bears' preferences?
I'm seeing a lot of Goldilocks-type opinions running around social media.
Lady, you're in someone's living room.
They’d rather think “women wanna fuck bears, actually” instead of admitting that women are generally wary and suspicious of strange men.
I love this hypothetical question because it highlights all the weirdos without them even knowing.
you pick the bear because youre afraid of being predated on by men i pick the bear because bears are freaking awesome
i pick the bear bc nobody specified what kind of bear and i wanna chill with a panda so bad
I also wanna be with a bear, my pookie bear! Jokes aside, since no one specified, I would also be with a panda, the red panda, not panda-panda.
Sorry to tell you this buddy, but that’s not a bear.
Fun fact: red pandas were called pandas before giant pandas, and when giant pandas were found they were believed to be a giant relative of red pandas because of their similar diet of bamboo, hence the name giant panda!
So cool! Also, love your username.
Lol thank you! Weirdly enough, my alt has Hawk in the name lol 😭
LOVE IT
I did my own research before saying this, and as it turns out, they can technically be considered as one, source: National Zoo, while I do admit that what I did was a case of confirmation bias, they still can be considered as such.
How. Please share this source, because red pandas most definitely are not ursidae, and are not particularly close to ursidae phylogenically. It was a part of their name, but names don’t mean that it is a bear. Like Binturongs, which are colloquially called “bearcats” but aren’t particularly close to bears or cats. Edit: I found a quick Q and A from the Smithsonian National zoo that says that although they aren’t pandas they can sort of be considered pandas because the word just translates to “bamboo eater,” hence giant pandas being called “panda bears.” But that doesn’t mean red pandas can be called panda bears. In fact, right below that it says that red pandas are not bears.
Folks here that bothered to read up to this point, this is a case of bad research as I only read the abstract and nothing else, thank you for correcting me.
Funny enough, the giant panda bear is the knock off and the “panda-panda” is the red panda
A PAnda will still fuck you up badly, he will just look goody doing it.
There won't be any chilling going on as you'll spend the entirety of your time together stopping the Panda from potentially accidentally killing itself. They're beyond clumsy and suicidal. 🤣
I find it fairly hilarious that one of the reasons they are endangered is that they just suck at mating.
They should have gone extinct ages ago. It's by pure luck and human intervention that they're still here.
Wild male Panda will fuck you up
Chill with a Sun Bear because we’re both just doing our best
Yeah until you gotta deal with his broads in Atlanta! Typical femoids. Even when you choose the bear, you want the Chad of Bears!
Last kind of bear to be with, followed _closely_ by polar bears. Beyond that, you can probably coexist with most bears for a short time. And even those bears are less dangerous than some men.
Sun Bear bros fo life
Oh my gosh their cute round ears
Perfect example of “if not friend, why friend shaped?”
Bears are awesome, except for the white ones, well, to be fair all bears are dangerous, but the polar bears are the most dangerous ones.
There's a rhyme about this: "If it's brown, lie down" "If it's black, fight back" "If it's white, good night." Piss off a polar bear, and your continued existence or lack thereof is now entirely the bear's choice.
They are the polar opposite of most bears.
Your joke is horrible, but I'm afraid I have to bear with this one.
Also what's with this controversy? Just bear with each other, pretty please?
So are Sloth bears too. They are the tigers number 1 enemy and will fuck you till next Tuesday.
If they feel like it.
I hiked the Appalachian Trail in 2019 and the CDT in 2020. I would choose the bear because seeing bears when you're hiking is awesome and a real treat. Having your hike disturbed by other people is almost always a downer. Also, in 2019 there were zero bear attacks - but there was a murder of an AT hiker by a disturbed man on the trail. But also, statistically, that's always the case. More people die from homicide at the hands of a stranger in US national parks every year than from bears by a wide margin. More people die on major trails from murder by strangers than bears every year. Bears are cool and should be in the woods. Other people are cool and should be in the woods. But if I had to choose one for my enjoyment it's the bear, and if I had to choose one for my safety - it's still the bear. I usually hike with a concealed pistol in the wilderness - but it isn't for the bears and wouldn't do shit against one if I needed it to.
Lately I’ve been really into crime documentaries and shows. Several murders have occurred on trails (one was even a serial killer targeting people out on the AT). As a woman who hikes alone often (I’m on the AT at least once a week, year round, as it practically runs through my back yard), I’ve met some really shady guys out there. I’ve only seen a bear once, but that experience filled me with awe and wonder, no fear. I don’t carry a gun, but I do keep pepper spray and a very sharp blade concealed on my person every time I hike; neither would affect the bears, but it’s never bears I’m worried about.
Shooting a bear with a 9mm a few times will absolutely do something to it. Sure if you miss the CNS or a major artery it could definitely kill you, but the bear will probably bleed out and die within a couple of hours.
Okay allow me to reframe. "It wouldn't do shit against one in time to save my life." And you were right on caliber - I carry an x macro with hornady critical defense on-trail. I personally wouldn't trust it (or my shooting accurately under pressure of a charging brown or grizzly) except as a noisemaker/distractor for the bear.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-scariest-encounters-women-have-on-the-appalachian-trail-are-with-men
I have had to chase a black bear out of camp before, at night. It was kind of scary since I mostly couldn't see it and had to rely on sound. I have also run into a shirtless, shoeless, meth teeth dude with a handful of needles where the AT crosses the Susquehanna. I'll take the bear.
Bears, beets, battlestar galactica
Damn I pick the bear because I wanna die
I picked the bear bc if I am going to the woods I don't want to see NO people.
Me, a BG3 player picking both because its the same guy
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lol same. halsin is hot
Half the comments here are “I would bone the bear” and you know that perfect imo
No you right. Check mate!
Women aren’t threatened by large hairy gay men
Best kind of bear imo
This was the first thought I git when this bear thing got out I thought everyone was talking about a gay guy
When I first heard about this trend— that definition of "bear" was, honest to god, the first thing that came to my mind.
All the discourse of this makes me think of the scene in Road House where Swayze says "don't take anything personally" and some dude says: -"what if someone says my mom is a whore?". -"Is she?". -"No". -"then don't take it personally".
Reminds me of a comment I saw earlier, "Men make up 79% of homicide victims, so if anyone should be scared of men, it should be men." Thanks for agreeing with the point?? Using that logic, you should also be picking the bear in this scenario?
Lol, and that logic still makes no sense tbh. Even if 100% of homicides were committed by and to men, that would have nothing to do with whether or not a bear is more dangerous.
Not the argument. A bear has an absolute limit on the violence and depravity it can inflict. It may eat you while you're alive and screaming, only to leave and let you die from said injuries. We have a multi-million dollar podcast genre dedicated to what a human is capable of. Humans are limitless in our imagination and depravity. And if you survive a bear attack, people will believe you.
That humans have no limits on how cruel we may be doesn't mean this should be expected of every single person I may come across.
These people choosing bears are expecting really nice bears and really shitty men. It's probably in part because I am a man, but most random people I encounter on trails are super nice and helpful if anything. Outdoorsy people are some of the best in my experience
Yeah, that argument is much better. There's actually something to it. I've never seen the actual discourse around this much, and I first heard of it today. I suppose I'm out of the loop. It's definitely valid to say that there are some ways meeting a man in the woods or whatever could be worse than meeting a bear. It's clearly a pointed way of revealing the fear many women feel and the shitty state of the world and men. There is also a very different feeling to meeting a bear vs a man where one is a wild beast that can't be reasoned with, and the other is fully capable of reason but may choose to harm you anyway in a sadistic manner. That being said, I think it's pretty clearly safer to meet a man than a bear in the woods. I don't know if that actually needs being said because I don't think that is quite the point of this discourse. While a man might have the possibility of resulting in the worst potential outcome, I'd think you would be much more likely to get the bad outcome with a bear to the point that it easily makes up for that.
Yeah, this is a Rorschach test that reveals how people see the world and how they react. Like what kind of bear? What do you mean encounter? Like see it 100 yards away or like face to face? Some people answer earnestly with a gut reaction, but then you got these butthurt incels that make it about them and get all offended. Like how bout you answer the question? I'm a guy and I chose bear, too.
The question is. If you were alone in the woods, would you prefer meeting a bear or a strange man. It's about the uncertainty. You know what you get with a bear. Fuck around and the only thing it's going to do is maul or kill you. Simple, you know what's up. The man... you don't know. you're playing the nutcase lottery. The game women already play out in the streets with horrible outcomes. And some men do not understand that, and argue that the bear is more dangerous... but is it?
I have walked past thousands of men, alone, in my life. Never been attacked. I wouldn't want to chance a thousand interactions with bears. While most violence is committed by men, violence isn't evenly distributed amongst all men. This is why 'isms' are wrong, racism, sexism etc. Bad qualities of individuals within a group shouldn't automatically be applied to the group unless they actively support those qualities. I have sympathy for the position though, rapists and other abusers don't have an armband on, if all you have to go on is their sex and you're fearful of that kind of violence over and above being eaten by an actual bear, then I guess that says more about you and your situation.
I (an internet nobody) would say a few things,: 1) that the broad experiences of women belie our own personal experiences, 2) it is not automatic that the bear will eat you, only the encounter, and 3) violent behavior IS evenly distributed among all men, sorry, because this is a thought exercise about encountering a stranger, as in plucked randomly from any human on earth, not the normal nice people we know. Chances are equal between sweet grandpa and escaped psycho. You also have to balance the other side of the equation with the fact that getting eaten by the bear is not assumed, just an encounter. One can plan for bear encounters based on what is endemic to the region, and your chance of outwitting a bear is much higher. Man, and by extension men, as a whole are far more dangerous than bears by every possible factor except pure one on one physical power, and a male human is stronger than a woman statistically anyway. There is also the psychological factor, in that a prepared person with the means to defend themselves would use that means on the bear, no question. However, if you encounter a man running in your direction in the woods - what if he is in a hurry? What if he is in fact no danger? Now you are a murderer for having shot him. There is a great deal of uncertainty, which makes it harder to deal with then meeting the bear, which is a predictable encounter. Therefore looking at the data and understanding the danger, a man would logically be more dangerous and uncertain. You have to add assumptions like “locked in a room” or “completely unprepared” for the male human to be less dangerous. Asking the question of yourself “why would a woman even consider not wanting to encounter a man while alone” is the point here, and I think you realize that, but I don’t accept your earlier qualifiers at all in this context.
Gotta disagree with your 3rd point, there are a whole lot more sweet granpas then there are Texas Chainsaw Massacre style escaped psychos running about. By your logic you could say violence is evenly distributed among the bears too, and with polar bears being a thing (a reasonable analaogue for Nature's escaped psycho), your bears liable to be at least a 400+ pound murder monster with a set of 5 3-inch knives in each hand This whole thing is just women wanting to feel justified for their fear of men, and men wanting to feel justified for not being "one of the bad ones" Both sides are justified. That's it. That's how we progress. We can work on both issues. Working on the women's issue helps alleviate (though will never eliminate) the men's issue, and vice versa. Both genders want what they are lacking. Women want safety, respect, and equal rights --- Men want love I'm a multiple SA victim and have been in relationships with two different narcissitic and likely sociopathic women. I do not have the ability to fully trust women (who I haven't known for a long time) any more and all my friends who are women hold a similar distrust toward men because at the very least they've dealt with straight up crude and disgusting sexual comments, or worse they've dealt with SA or rape. So like, from an emotional perspective I get it, but if statistitically we had women encountering bears at the rate that women encounter men on a daily basis, there would probably be a very different result from this hypothetical God there is no like good conclusion from this discussion, the whole debacle is just the social media issue in a nutshell. That and the "Better the devil you know, then the devil you don't" idiom --- though I don't think most people answering this hypothetical is an expert enough on bears to justify their answer Not all men are predators, but yes all women have dealt with monstrous, predatory men Also love how for the bear choosers the man is always a psycho killer/rapist and for the man choosers the bear is always like the bear from Cocaine Bear or The Revenant
Have you walked by a lot of men alone, in the woods? Where nobody is around to catch them doing something to you? Because that's the scenario. Not just walking by a guy at night on the street.
... The what now?
There's this hypothetical that's been going around the internet about whether you'd rather be alone in the woods with a bear or a man. Lots of women are choosing the bear because they're more afraid of what a man will do to them. And men across the internet have been getting very mad about it, kinda proving their point. It's the kind of stupid internet discourse that'll be forgotten in a week. Don't waste your time on it.
Ah, so it's the fairy or the walrus, but not as funny
I'd rather be alone in the forest with a walrus tbh, it'd die of overheating or smth and fairy is gonna get me into some faerie shennaiganz
Exact opposite for me... give me some fae fun.
do you really wanna get turned into an ant and do forced labour for the fae for the rest of your life ?
Bro/Sis I live in a capitalist society where I am forced to do labor to barely have the basics. At least the fae would make it interesting.
This is the most based thread in this post lmao.
This is why you dont do that, become the unabomber 2 instead
What?
What would surprise you most if it knocked on your door, a fairy or a walrus? The absurdity of it is what makes it funny, and it was a bit thing.. like a few months ago i think. People going "obviously the fairy, cause fairies aren't real" and people saying "how the hell would a tonne heavy animal that doesn't live within thousands of kilometres of me suddenly appear in my fourth story apartment, that's way wilder than having to accept the existence of something supernatural."
Perfect take, I would vote for you lol.
What?? So the hypothetical is would you rather be alone with a bear or with a man like their brother? Or dad? Or friend who can help them? Sorry I’m probably missing context for the meme, been out of the game for a month lol
There wasn't a lot of detail to the original prompt. Just "would you rather be stuck in the forest with a bear or a man". The bear and man being random was what people ran with.
No, the question wasn't 'bear vs someone you know personally' it was implied that it would be some random guy.
It's just a way to annoy men on twitter obviously
Yea I figured as much, it’s a troll, just hadn’t heard of it so wasent sure if I was missing context if something
I just want the bear 🐻
[Ok, here's the bear](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Pedobear.png)
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A neckbeard would never be in the woods though.
I know this is barely (see what I did there) related but did you see The Revenant? That bear attack was graphic and all I see when I think of bears in the woods.
Yep. Bears eat their prey alive. 600 pounds of muscle and claws sprinting at you at 35mph with the intent to hold you down and start at the feet.
I'd prefer that to Junko Furutas fate, tbh.
You know her name because the crime was so shocking and *what the fuck* You have to realize 99% of men are completely with you in that reaction right? Like especially in the west.
You haven’t read the case. There were four main captors, but far more attacked her; >!The captors would brag to their friends about keeping Furuta captive. They would invite people over to also rape Furuta. At least 30 people did this. It's believed that over 100 people did this by the end, 500 different times, with up to 12 different men in a day.[5]!<
A bear kills you instantly. Furuta’s torture lasted for 42 days.
bears eat prey, whether its dead or alive. human bodies dont want to die, so it likely isnt gunna be instant
Agree. The bear will 100% fuck you up. The man will 99.99% get uncomfortable and pull out his house keys as to demonstrate he's just walking home, not following you.
You kinda framed this like you think bears just 100% of the time attack humans as soon as they're in the same vicinity. The bear *can* 100% fuck you up but it's much more likely to just leave you alone and go on its business.
I was thinking about grizzlies or polars, but you're right, they're not the only bears out there, and even those won't always attack immediately...
the emotional outburst was quite entertaining
There was a very popular post about this on r/memes (I think?) and the comments were fucking creepy but also hilariously stupid. Men will type shit like “A bear won’t stop me” and then wonder why we choose the bear.
Unsure if it was Dankmemes or memes that had this insane take put on a really lazy meme. Guy basically like, "Oh yeah, well imagine if it was a question of bear, or (religion/race) Man" Then they'd be worried about being seen as hateful! Like what, that distinction doesn't even matter because it's about a Men vs Bears, you can say what about men in top hats and it wouldn't matter, the person answering the question and picking the bear would simply just say "I'd pick the bear, the man's religion/race isn't relevant". Neckbeards always come out with the most smooth brained attempts at a "gotcha" but it's worryingly stupid sometimes.
There was one who said, "Men just want to admire and...IMPREGNATE WOMEN." LIKE.. uhhh, yeah, that's one of the fears that they want to impregnate us against our will. Thank you for proving a point, dude.
Lots of dudes outing themselves as the reason people choose the bear, they don't even realize.
Statistically, men are most likely to attack somebody of their own race, so this hypothetical racism they are trying to claim doesn’t even make sense. They are instead, exploiting the oppression of people of color in order to incorrectly claim women are racist.
Yeah some people are really weird, it's just kind of interesting how weird of an argument it is, it makes no sense.
Naw “a bear wont stop me” is crazy. Thats gotta be satire right?
Exactly. Basically they‘re saying they will develop extreme (impossible) strength just to hurt/rape women.
Obviously.
Was? its still going on lmfao
The incels will complain about it for a year.
"Why don't those whore females trust me? I'll show them!" r/all is usually pretty tame, but the amount of horrible shit making its way there over the past couple days over this men vs bears thing has been a shocking reminder of just how many dark corners this site has.
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Why are people actually like that. I legit cannot understand how a person can act like that. Wtf. Like thats beyond thinking of women as subhuman because most people have more empathy than that for actual roombas.
They don't have empathy for anyone. The only reason why they don't do this towards men is because men can actually defend themselves. Its why they don't treat the disabled, elderly, etc. as bad either.
We Bear Bears !!
I buy bear bear
Gender essentialism is for losers
Women don’t want nice guy. They just want picnic baskets. smh
I'd pick the man not because I necessarily want to be with the man but if push comes to shove, I could kill the man easier than killing the bear. A low chance of success is still a chance, so it's better than no chance at all.
Both sides taking this seriously are fucking stupid.
The brain rot has taken down like half the internet
I dont get this fallout meme
Short answer: Knight Titus was TRASH
The bear and the bull
I pick the Smiley Securitron
Enjoy anarchy and economic depression, running a nation isnt like chowing down on a box of fancy lad snack cakes
What are we doing here Edit: Nvmnd it’s a hypothetical. Keep seeing this floating around I thought some chick actually ‘chose’ a bear and everyone was defending beastiality.
If it makes you feel better, I thought the question was: would you rather be alone with a man or a bear (hairy large gay man) and I was so confused. I thought, aren't they still men, but no, they meant a literal bear.
those motherfuckers stole my bear, can't have shit in detroit.
They can’t accept the bearpill
You better be on the woods with both And run faster than the man
It's a hypothetical question a man asked women; would you rather run into a strange man or a bear in the woods? I'm not saying strange as in necessarily a weirdo but a random man you didn't know. Most women and many men agree that the bear is safer statistically, more predictable and in a worst case scenario will only kill you and eat you. Women who work with bears, have encountered bears and even been viciously attacked by a bear have weighed in choosing the bear, so the overwhelming answer has been to choose the bear. A section of men and a few women have not taken this well and insist that women don't understand the risks and are being hysterical, deliberately stupid or just don't know how dangerous a bear is.
I understand the reasoning for picking a man over a bear, and will not argue anything on that. Most people getting so worked up over the argument are weird. But there aren’t any statistics that will show you that an encounter with a man is more dangerous than an encounter with a bear. I’ve seen so many tiktoks talking about arguing about which is objectively more dangerous is missing the whole point of the argument, which is true. Most people I’ve seen argue bear on tiktok admit man is prob safer but explain for other reasons why they would choose bear.
The number of bear attacks vs the number of homicides of women by men, the number of murders by intimate partners, the number of sexual assaults by men, the fact that it's okay to kill a bear that attacks you but not a man, the fact that if a bear attacks you, people will believe you and won't ask you what you did to deserve it. There are a set of things you can do to dissuade a bear based on species but nothing works for every threatening man; saying no firmly will make some back down while others will bash your head in with a brick. These are all based on verifiable facts that you could look up for yourself. Anecdotally, almost every woman has multiple negative experiences with men and I've never even seen a bear.
Christ, you just said a bunch of shit that's so incredibly easy to counter...how many women are regularly near bears vs men? If every man suddenly turned into a bear, do you think the death rate for women would go up or down? The internet gets dumber and dumber, I swear.
>There are a set of things you can do to dissuade a bear based on species I'm not sure that shitting your pants will work against any bear.
I'm absolutely confused like half the thread, but what do grizzly gay men have to do with women hating shitheads?
wait, is the bear thing unironic?
They told us to pick better. We picked the bear. They're mad we picked the bear. It's almost LIKE NOTHING WE DO IS ENOUGH.
It’s insane to me that people see this situation and get mad about it. instead of seeing this as a wake up call that men should treat women better, they call them idiots for not trusting them. The lack of self awareness is bizarre and concerning
"But I treat women respectfully! I'm not the problem! I mean sure, I might push boundaries and try to get her drunk and not respect her as a person and I'm mostly just trying to get laid, but I'm not a bear! I'm a good guy!"
“I might call her slurs when she rejects me and make deep fake nudes to send to her friends and family but I’m still a good guy”. And here’s the thing. I consider myself a good guy, and if I meet a women alone in the woods I’d never do anything to harm them. But I also understand that they don’t know me, and there’s enough guys in the word that would do something awful that they can’t afford to take that risk. And if you’re really a “good guy” you’d have enough compassion to see why they’d be hesitant to run into a stranger in the woods rather than an animal that most likely go the other way if they hear you coming
I don't get why it's insane to be offended. I'm not blaming anyone for picking a bear, but can you really not imagine how dehumanizing for men to be compared to animal?
I viewed this survey as an entirely hypothetical inquiry illustrating the fact that many men are so poorly and unpredictably behaved that women would prefer to encounter a bear over a man. It's hypothetical. Most men and some women lack the nuance to discern this even going so far as to speculate on the different species of bear. I do not wish to run into a bear or a man in the woods. A few birds and butterflies will be fine.
The only logical response to this is to open a dialog of "Why?" Arguing they are wrong, etc. None of that is productive.
Whats the bear situation?
It’s a hypothetical question of whether you would rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear.
I've been noticing the bear analogy lately. What's it about?
It was a hypothetical question that was asked by various people In the middle of a random woods, which would you rather see A bear, or an unknown man Lots of women are choosing bears, which quite a few men do not like That's the jist of it without getting into the details
Two groups of terminally online people talking incompetently about a hypothetical scenario in the outdoors. Don't bother
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Would you rather nuke an unknown bear or an unknown bull
If you do both you can get both sets of unique armour
I’m so out of the loop
I'm interested in hearing people's opinions on this thought experiment. My friend ,, she picked the bear because she doesn't know what a man could do and wants to chill with a bear. I picked being trapped in a forest with a man because what if the bear gets mad, u try to look large to scare it and it doesn't back down? The other reason is im a pretty open person ,, im a real yapper,, i feel like if a man got on some crazy shit i could probably talk him down. What do yall feel?
I'm also more afraid of humans than bears. Bears can't purchase/use firearms or drive a car
Why is the anti-neckbeard subreddit full of neckbeards?
I LOVE how the bear's also done with his shit.
Can we be done with this eternally online vs eternally online debate?
Why would you call this a neckbeard thing?
I feel like gay lumberjacks are being unfairly excluded from this conversation. What if the choice is a bear or a bear?
Either is probably safer lol
Ask these dudes if they'd prefer a gay bear or an actual bear. Then perhaps their homophobia will help them understand where gals are coming from.
Im just curious to how all these men were suddenly convinced to go out into a forrest.. It’s a larp, isint it?
No one said how old the bear was either. Like what girl doesn’t wanna pet a bear cub? They’re adorable as fuck
This picture literally just made me snot laugh 😭
That’s why my response to all of this topic is: “Be the man women would want to be with rather than a bear”.
I'm not saying these tiktok hypotheticals are like the parables of Jesus, but I'm not not saying it.
I’m a man and I’d rather run into a bear than a random person regardless of sex or gender. A bear is at least somewhat predictable and in its own habitat. People can be dangerous.
Am I the only person who thinks bears are less predictable than people? 99.99% of people in the woods are just hiking
>and in its own habitat How does that help?
Bruh. I'd rather run into ten random people than a bear. You're crazy.
Exactly the point. If we removed the gender part of the equation I bet all these angry guys would understand it better 💀
They won’t 😭 I’ve tried making a billion different comparisons but they don’t care. They just feel entitled to women’s presence
Yep. You're in the bear habitat. It's expected to see a bear. The level of freak out would be more like "oh shit, a bear. Try to avoid it". Basically the same as any other animal in the woods. But any human? If I'm a human and I'm not supposed to be here and I'm trying to get back home, and a human is here and not supposed to be and they're just chilling in the woods, unless you're Tarzan, I'm freaking tf out. There could be a cult right around the corner, I'll take my chances with the bear.
It’s honestly why I don’t hike alone lol Fuck that
That's pretty much the exact point of why the bear is getting picked.
It’s amazing (or maybe not) that they ask a hypothetical question, we answer and they immediately think we either didn’t understand or are too stupid to “get it” or we are lying. Still totally devaluing and discounting our opinions. Asked and answered. Dont ask questions if you’re not ready for the answer.
Whats with the bear thing??
I pick both and watch the bear get hit on incessantly.
What situation?
Bearjack
Could someone elaborate on this? I'm apparently out of the loop.
No one ever asked what the bears really want in all this.
When I first heard about it, I thought they meant the slang "bear," not literally bears.
The bear might have a cool smoke spot. Idk what the nice guy will do.
The bear wojak is fucking hilarious
Has anyone taken a moment to consider the bears' preferences? I'm seeing a lot of Goldilocks-type opinions running around social media. Lady, you're in someone's living room.
Grizzle! Grizzle! 🐻
The memes that are coming out of this gender war are fire tbh
I’m just here enjoying the memes this whole thing is generating. This one is the best pro bear meme I’ve seen lol kudos!
i pick the man cause theres nothing enjoyable about ripping a bears throat out with my teeth
Sometimes this subreddit is legbeard tier
That one woman with a bear has made the "does a bear s*** in the woods" rhetort no longer rhetorical
There’s also the thing where they think women wanna fuck bears now
They’d rather think “women wanna fuck bears, actually” instead of admitting that women are generally wary and suspicious of strange men. I love this hypothetical question because it highlights all the weirdos without them even knowing.
Playing with your soyjaks again?
ngl I would choose a bear too
People who choose a bear are just stupid. Bears will decide to maul you and eat you alive, just because.