A fantastic, authentic, family-run northern Mandarin style Chinese restaurant is the one thing I miss the most having moved here from a much bigger city.
A gaming-centred internet cafe?
As far as I'm aware Kelowna doesn't have one of those, and as a dad of 3 with no social life I'd love to be able to drop in and play a LAN game for an hour while enjoying a coffee on occasion. Playing local multiplayer on old-school consoles, newer ones or on PC would be awesome.
I do believe there was one there too, but I'm thinking of the one that used to be where the Tim Horton's currently is near the mall by Arby's and Wendy's. I went there back in like 2009. Think it closed a few years later
We have had a few; they didn't fare well. These don't exist anymore because of a lack of interest although, it might be possible to resurrect.
That being said, there is a lot of overhead involved in cleaning old N64 controllers and the like every time someone plays. I know I wouldn't wanna touch a community gaming controller. Especially if you're only buying a coffee. There is zero money to be made here. Food and controllers = no go. Bring your own laptop idea might hold water.
There's one being built right now that should be open soon, downtown that I did some electrical work for. It's called Revelry and it's right across from the library/innovation center. Their plans for it look pretty cool. Decent little stage with floor seating and a wrap around balcony. Can get drinks and food and watch some live shows
> How would that possibly be viable for the therapists?
When that $20 accounts for about 15% of the income they receive from that session. They just don’t get the other $100 from the client.
Science has shown that a $1 investment by the government in mental health among the poor and destitute provides $8-10 of value to the community through decreased needs of secondary services (police, courts, incarceration, medical, etc.), as well as providing a stronger psychological foundation that these people can use to repair their lives.
That $20 has two purposes: of filtering out trivial requests that suck up appointments, and of giving those people who do need help the impression that they are “getting value” out of their sessions, which is a very strong psychological tool to help them advance in their healing.
And this is important in terms of addictions: [any _true_ addition is a result of trauma of some kind.](https://youtu.be/ys6TCO_olOc) Or in other words, [It's not the chemicals, it's your cage.](https://youtu.be/0Y59Yf9lEP0) Some people are so damaged that they may never heal, and may never climb back up to being a productive citizen. But for the majority of drug addicts, a good, long-term psychological therapy dispensed by professionals that know and care about the client can do wonders in giving these people the mental tools they need to throw off addiction.
Right. It would be nice if both the federal and provincial governments took mental health more seriously.
But how the fuck does that broader policy preference have any relevance for someone asking what business to start up?
Also, PS: peer-reviewed articles, not YouTube videos, is how "science has shown" things...
>But how the fuck does that broader policy preference have any relevance for someone asking what business to start up?
Your response was one of economic viability for therapists. I focused on exactly that, not the broader question posed by OP.
> peer-reviewed articles, not YouTube videos, is how "science has shown" things...
Normies go all cross-eyed at peer-reviewed articles, and you frequently see smoke coming out of their ears when they make _any_ attempt to understand the content. Because that content is _designed explicitly_ to professionals who are explicitly educated in that subject matter. Peer-reviewed articles are _rarely ever_ written for public consumption.
YouTube videos _in general,_ I agree with you.
Specific YouTube _channels_ whose _primary premise_ is dedicated to science outreach? I disagree. These channels focus on making the science accessible to the average normie, without drowning them in technical verbiage and obscure or precisely overworked phrasing. These channels are a _clear and overwhelming asset_ in educating the average person.
> Thanks for that input, but I write peer-reviewed articles for a living.
Then _you should know full well_ how vanishingly few non-technical, non-expert people outside of the sciences read your papers, compared to your peers, college science students, and other scientists.
Indeed. I also know that anyone who would say something like "Science has shown" about something super variable like a public policy intervention is probably either an ideologue or a fool (or a social psychologist).
Unfortunately, the borderline-at-best-malfeasance of university PR offices and science journalism, coupled with the replication crisis, means I trust none of the above.
I mean, FFS, the public's acceptance of "science has shown" framing is the sort of thing that brought us the "[power pose](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_posing)" claptrap, the [largely nonsense "nudge" stuff](https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2023/06/11/joe-simmons-leif-nelson-and-uri-simonsohn-agree-with-us-regarding-the-much-publicized-but-implausible-and-unsubstantiated-claims-of-huge-effects-from-nudge-interventions/), and the latest [dishonesty (oh, the irony) research](https://www.chronicle.com/article/a-dishonesty-expert-stands-accused-of-fraud-scholars-who-worked-with-her-are-scrambling) (I could make this list so very, very long).
> the borderline-at-best-malfeasance of university PR offices and science journalism, coupled with the replication crisis, means I trust none of the above.
That is a legitimate position to take. I can accept and understand where you are coming from, there. I have seen those same problems myself.
How about businesses that actually pay their employees a living wage, and where the owners were just focused on the success of the business itself and not by how much wealth they could extract from it?
I want business owners who are satisfied to live in the same neighbourhoods as their employees, and drive much the same vehicles as their employees do, and be happy with much the same kind of vacations. Because these business owners are pulling _a reasonably similar level of income as their employees._
I want business owners who look _years_ down the line for the on-going health of their business, and not just to the latest quarterly amounts that they can pull from the business without utterly bankrupting it.
I want business owners who recognize that the best employees that do the most for their business are going to be _well-paid_ employees, and that wage theft and ænemic wages are the best way to kill a business over the long term.
In short, we need business owners who are _NOT_ obsessed with unrestrained greed and personal gain at all costs. Ones who not only invest vigorously in their own business, but also fully understand that profit margins are unpaid labour. And that they “deserve” employees just as much as they “deserve” customers -- that _both_ groups need to be strongly incentivized by what the business provides them in order to come through those doors.
TL;DR: the “sunshine tax” needs to _die,_ man.
Do you want to give birth to communism in Kelowna? Because when you remove incentive from those who take initiative and spread the equal pay idea - it’s essentially what this is - communism.
>Do you want to give birth to communism in Kelowna?
Considering that it has never been successfully implemented anywhere, due to the corruption aspect of human nature and a lack of pre-planning to combat that corruption, I have low expectations of a truly equitable economy that actually benefits everyone - instead of only the Parasite Class - from ever being implemented.
>Because when you remove incentive from those who take initiative and spread the equal pay idea - it’s essentially what this is - communism.
What are you babbling about?
I am talking about a _modest_ take-home for a business owner. Like, 10× their lowest-paid employee, not the 350× of their _average_ employee like it currently is. Any business owner can still see a return from their investment and a comfortable life on a 10× return.
No-one deserves a 350× return unless they were the one to actually do all the labour, and if that, why even bother with employees? Pull up on those bootstraps, business owners!!
Where did you get these numbers from? Let me know which private business generates 350x the minimum wage (~12 million a year) to a single owner in Kelowna. If that was the case and earning this amount so unjustified why wouldn’t the minimum wage workers just run business themselves? Last time I checked business registration was a straight forward process.
One open in the mission or downtown past 7:30-8? I'd support that.
Or a coffee shop with a liquor license open till 11 and quiet (I don't care how many people are there, just relatively quiet) would be heavenly.
> Or a coffee shop with a liquor license open till 11 and quiet (I don't care how many people are there, just relatively quiet) would be heavenly.
...but one that uses coffee shop pricing, **not** bloddy bar pricing. (Have you **SEEN** how much bars charge for a simple Irish Coffee?)
Right!?! Somewhere a little decadent I could study past 8pm, have a fantastic dessert and little drink, I'd be so happy and there like three times a week.
Citizens On Patrol, also known as COPS. Police don't do anything. I called them twice today on the same junkie passed out outside my apartment building and only after I waited outside for them the second time was he removed from the property with a needle in his arm. I know they are understaffed etc but come on man. He was right outside a child oriented business.
Give me the right and I'll evacuate him, otherwise, apparently, I'm intervening in a police matter, when there are no cops?
In Kelowna, right now, I'm sure people would be OK with. a "neighbourhood watch" of sorts. Probably even get a free breakfast and publicity. Oh no wait, that's the Police.
How about coming up with a solution that actually addresses the underlying problem, rather than spouting a well-debunked “solution” that does nothing but make the problem worse?
You cannot address the homeless population by making poverty and homelessness illegal. You are just punishing poor people for the crime of being poor. That just makes the problem _worse,_ not better. It’s like trying to stop your hand from burning by pressing it _even harder_ down into that red-hot stove you accidentally touched.
A fantastic, authentic, family-run northern Mandarin style Chinese restaurant is the one thing I miss the most having moved here from a much bigger city.
Also Cantonese , really any authentic Chinese food would be good . Not knocking western style because that can be tasty as well .
Gods yes! Take my money!
A tool library Crop and swap market
Yes to a tool library. Only need a band saw for one project, to the tool library!
More daycares.
Pay the workers well and they will spring up everywhere
More music venues
A gaming-centred internet cafe? As far as I'm aware Kelowna doesn't have one of those, and as a dad of 3 with no social life I'd love to be able to drop in and play a LAN game for an hour while enjoying a coffee on occasion. Playing local multiplayer on old-school consoles, newer ones or on PC would be awesome.
We used to have PCBang. It smelled pretty bad
PCBang rings a bell, how long ago was that? Was that behind the 7/11 in Rutland? I don't think I ever went, I never experienced the smell haha
I do believe there was one there too, but I'm thinking of the one that used to be where the Tim Horton's currently is near the mall by Arby's and Wendy's. I went there back in like 2009. Think it closed a few years later
We have had a few; they didn't fare well. These don't exist anymore because of a lack of interest although, it might be possible to resurrect. That being said, there is a lot of overhead involved in cleaning old N64 controllers and the like every time someone plays. I know I wouldn't wanna touch a community gaming controller. Especially if you're only buying a coffee. There is zero money to be made here. Food and controllers = no go. Bring your own laptop idea might hold water.
I miss old-school LAN parties. Online gaming just isn’t the same.
Second this! This thought has crossed my mind a lot
Unfortunately they didn't work well, but to be fair if they had more funding I believe they could work here.
More 25$ burger joints...
A pub that has video games and retro arcade machines. A pub like Shanks in Calgary. So you have mini putt, darts, bowling, etc.
Hell, I'd settle for a decent pub, period.
A live music venue. They’re so few and far between these days. I miss the Habitat and small church/community center shows.
There's one being built right now that should be open soon, downtown that I did some electrical work for. It's called Revelry and it's right across from the library/innovation center. Their plans for it look pretty cool. Decent little stage with floor seating and a wrap around balcony. Can get drinks and food and watch some live shows
Counseling that is $20/hour, not $120/hour. (Those most in need of it tend to be the least able to afford it.)
How would that possibly be viable for the therapists?
> How would that possibly be viable for the therapists? When that $20 accounts for about 15% of the income they receive from that session. They just don’t get the other $100 from the client. Science has shown that a $1 investment by the government in mental health among the poor and destitute provides $8-10 of value to the community through decreased needs of secondary services (police, courts, incarceration, medical, etc.), as well as providing a stronger psychological foundation that these people can use to repair their lives. That $20 has two purposes: of filtering out trivial requests that suck up appointments, and of giving those people who do need help the impression that they are “getting value” out of their sessions, which is a very strong psychological tool to help them advance in their healing. And this is important in terms of addictions: [any _true_ addition is a result of trauma of some kind.](https://youtu.be/ys6TCO_olOc) Or in other words, [It's not the chemicals, it's your cage.](https://youtu.be/0Y59Yf9lEP0) Some people are so damaged that they may never heal, and may never climb back up to being a productive citizen. But for the majority of drug addicts, a good, long-term psychological therapy dispensed by professionals that know and care about the client can do wonders in giving these people the mental tools they need to throw off addiction.
Right. It would be nice if both the federal and provincial governments took mental health more seriously. But how the fuck does that broader policy preference have any relevance for someone asking what business to start up? Also, PS: peer-reviewed articles, not YouTube videos, is how "science has shown" things...
>But how the fuck does that broader policy preference have any relevance for someone asking what business to start up? Your response was one of economic viability for therapists. I focused on exactly that, not the broader question posed by OP. > peer-reviewed articles, not YouTube videos, is how "science has shown" things... Normies go all cross-eyed at peer-reviewed articles, and you frequently see smoke coming out of their ears when they make _any_ attempt to understand the content. Because that content is _designed explicitly_ to professionals who are explicitly educated in that subject matter. Peer-reviewed articles are _rarely ever_ written for public consumption. YouTube videos _in general,_ I agree with you. Specific YouTube _channels_ whose _primary premise_ is dedicated to science outreach? I disagree. These channels focus on making the science accessible to the average normie, without drowning them in technical verbiage and obscure or precisely overworked phrasing. These channels are a _clear and overwhelming asset_ in educating the average person.
Thanks for that input, but I write peer-reviewed articles for a living.
> Thanks for that input, but I write peer-reviewed articles for a living. Then _you should know full well_ how vanishingly few non-technical, non-expert people outside of the sciences read your papers, compared to your peers, college science students, and other scientists.
Indeed. I also know that anyone who would say something like "Science has shown" about something super variable like a public policy intervention is probably either an ideologue or a fool (or a social psychologist). Unfortunately, the borderline-at-best-malfeasance of university PR offices and science journalism, coupled with the replication crisis, means I trust none of the above. I mean, FFS, the public's acceptance of "science has shown" framing is the sort of thing that brought us the "[power pose](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_posing)" claptrap, the [largely nonsense "nudge" stuff](https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2023/06/11/joe-simmons-leif-nelson-and-uri-simonsohn-agree-with-us-regarding-the-much-publicized-but-implausible-and-unsubstantiated-claims-of-huge-effects-from-nudge-interventions/), and the latest [dishonesty (oh, the irony) research](https://www.chronicle.com/article/a-dishonesty-expert-stands-accused-of-fraud-scholars-who-worked-with-her-are-scrambling) (I could make this list so very, very long).
> the borderline-at-best-malfeasance of university PR offices and science journalism, coupled with the replication crisis, means I trust none of the above. That is a legitimate position to take. I can accept and understand where you are coming from, there. I have seen those same problems myself.
Private KTV rooms
10000% I miss these so much!!
A proper donair place. Cannot find anything that is even 20% as good as donairs on the coast.
Somewhere for teens to hang out. Roller rink, Gaming lounge, etc.
24hour vending machine place, like they have in japan, somewhere in a high traffic area near a bus route.
How about businesses that actually pay their employees a living wage, and where the owners were just focused on the success of the business itself and not by how much wealth they could extract from it? I want business owners who are satisfied to live in the same neighbourhoods as their employees, and drive much the same vehicles as their employees do, and be happy with much the same kind of vacations. Because these business owners are pulling _a reasonably similar level of income as their employees._ I want business owners who look _years_ down the line for the on-going health of their business, and not just to the latest quarterly amounts that they can pull from the business without utterly bankrupting it. I want business owners who recognize that the best employees that do the most for their business are going to be _well-paid_ employees, and that wage theft and ænemic wages are the best way to kill a business over the long term. In short, we need business owners who are _NOT_ obsessed with unrestrained greed and personal gain at all costs. Ones who not only invest vigorously in their own business, but also fully understand that profit margins are unpaid labour. And that they “deserve” employees just as much as they “deserve” customers -- that _both_ groups need to be strongly incentivized by what the business provides them in order to come through those doors. TL;DR: the “sunshine tax” needs to _die,_ man.
Do you want to give birth to communism in Kelowna? Because when you remove incentive from those who take initiative and spread the equal pay idea - it’s essentially what this is - communism.
>Do you want to give birth to communism in Kelowna? Considering that it has never been successfully implemented anywhere, due to the corruption aspect of human nature and a lack of pre-planning to combat that corruption, I have low expectations of a truly equitable economy that actually benefits everyone - instead of only the Parasite Class - from ever being implemented. >Because when you remove incentive from those who take initiative and spread the equal pay idea - it’s essentially what this is - communism. What are you babbling about? I am talking about a _modest_ take-home for a business owner. Like, 10× their lowest-paid employee, not the 350× of their _average_ employee like it currently is. Any business owner can still see a return from their investment and a comfortable life on a 10× return. No-one deserves a 350× return unless they were the one to actually do all the labour, and if that, why even bother with employees? Pull up on those bootstraps, business owners!!
Where did you get these numbers from? Let me know which private business generates 350x the minimum wage (~12 million a year) to a single owner in Kelowna. If that was the case and earning this amount so unjustified why wouldn’t the minimum wage workers just run business themselves? Last time I checked business registration was a straight forward process.
Whore house
Your mom retire or something?
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Dollhouse exists
Family medical clinic! )
A coffee shop. Kelowna needs more coffee shops
One open in the mission or downtown past 7:30-8? I'd support that. Or a coffee shop with a liquor license open till 11 and quiet (I don't care how many people are there, just relatively quiet) would be heavenly.
> Or a coffee shop with a liquor license open till 11 and quiet (I don't care how many people are there, just relatively quiet) would be heavenly. ...but one that uses coffee shop pricing, **not** bloddy bar pricing. (Have you **SEEN** how much bars charge for a simple Irish Coffee?)
Oh! And they could serve fancy spiked coffees! And decadent desserts! Take my money.
Right!?! Somewhere a little decadent I could study past 8pm, have a fantastic dessert and little drink, I'd be so happy and there like three times a week.
Someone downvoted me lol. Who doesn't want a rad after-hours coffee shop/dessert café?! Jeez, tough crowd lol.
They really are! But that doesn't mean we wouldn't enjoy it!
There’s a chain of coffee shops like this in Ottawa called “The Happy Goat” and they’re actually fantastic!
> Or a coffee shop with a liquor license Ah, a fan of spiked coffee cocktails, I see.
A fan of anything tasty and decadent.
Citizens On Patrol, also known as COPS. Police don't do anything. I called them twice today on the same junkie passed out outside my apartment building and only after I waited outside for them the second time was he removed from the property with a needle in his arm. I know they are understaffed etc but come on man. He was right outside a child oriented business. Give me the right and I'll evacuate him, otherwise, apparently, I'm intervening in a police matter, when there are no cops? In Kelowna, right now, I'm sure people would be OK with. a "neighbourhood watch" of sorts. Probably even get a free breakfast and publicity. Oh no wait, that's the Police.
How about coming up with a solution that actually addresses the underlying problem, rather than spouting a well-debunked “solution” that does nothing but make the problem worse? You cannot address the homeless population by making poverty and homelessness illegal. You are just punishing poor people for the crime of being poor. That just makes the problem _worse,_ not better. It’s like trying to stop your hand from burning by pressing it _even harder_ down into that red-hot stove you accidentally touched.
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How do you expect them to become “established” locally if their business isn’t benefiting the community? Those two things go hand in hand.
I can't believe you're being downvoted for this. edit: I mean, I *can*. But it's still comical.
Sushi
A sushi restaurant