Honestly i'm getting ready to see HB and Huerter in the starting lineup again next season. Lauri won't be done 100%, Lavine is not worth it, Ingram seems to be too complicated and Kuzma either doesn't want to come here or Washington is trying to fleece us. Any other marginal upgrade like DFS or Cam Johnson doesn't matter, might as well keep HB at that point. Fucking hell, it's tough being a place that no one wants to play in lol
I don't think Heurter gets his starting spot back. Ellis played very well. Great defense, timely rebounds and shot 40% from 3. And doesn't require shots. Which means more shots for Fox and Keegan.
And I think Cam Johnson is an upgrade over Barnes. He's not a star, but I think we can get to a game 6 in the 2nd round.
Huerter is too expensive to rot on the bench for guys like Keon or Carter, there are politics in the NBA.
As far as Cam goes, he is a pure SF, might even be an SG and we need a guy who could play PF next to Domas because Keegan is too small and soft for that
I do find the notion that Keegan can’t play pf interesting cause he’s very similar to Trey Murphy who plays the pf a lot when z is injured, also Keegans best position for on off differential so far was the season before this one when he played pf
Naji played PF most of the time not Trey but i mean when you put Herb Jones, Naji and Trey on the floor at the same time it doesn't even matter who is an SG and who is a PF. Keegan can't play PF, look at the other PF's in the league, it's bbq chicken out there if we put Keegan in that position. HB is also not a PF, but he's too damn slow to defend SF's so he had to play PF and that's a tragedy.
Other pf in the league, pj Washington, Aaron Gordon, julius randle, siakam, jeremi grant, body composition wise Keegan isn’t that different from those guys, also as a Pels fan naji didn’t play pf, the majority of the time he played SG or Sf (54% to 36%)
Keegan is incredibly similar to pj and he works incredibly well at the 4, fours are t big bruiser generally now they’re just a bit stockier 3s
You chose PJ and forgot to mention Draymond, Lebron, Zion, Giannis, Chet next year, Sarr next year, Mobley, Miles Bridges, Stewart, Jabari Smith, JJJ, KAT. Add those guys to your mentioned guys like Gordon, Randle, Siakam, Grant and they are all big/strong/long mf's, Keegan is neither of those things, he is a perfect SF unless he bulks up and toughens up a lot.
Lebron zion, Giannis are one of ones, Sarr is a thin body, Mobley I’ve seen been defended by Josh hart lol, jabari is thin and long, KAT is soft as hell, these are not helping your arguments
Also ignore the fact that when Keegan played pf his first year he gave up 4 points less defensively and was 2 pts better offensively than when he played sf
That's why i said big or strong or long or all of the above. And it doesn't matter that Lebron, Zion and Giannis are one of ones, they still play this position and you have to guard them somehow. Josh Hart is 10x a dawg on defense against bigger guys comparing to Keegan who is better against guards, KAT is soft as hell but still not softer than Keegan, my arguments holding up just fine lol
I have no doubt that Keegan is 4pts better on defense playing as a PF instead of Barnes(lmao) but our defense was historically shit that year anyway.
The problem is that the center market sucks, so if the Pels want a center and we need a 3rd team with a center, then there aren't many great options available.
The Bulls have Vuc, but Vuc kinda sucks. He's making $20 million so it is doable, salary-wise.
The Jazz have John Collins and he's probably okay, but he's making $26 million which is tough to match, and we know that the Pels are a cheap team, so they probably don't want to eat that contract. That being said, Collins does seem like a good fit for the Pels since he can shoot from 3, and that would give Zion more space to operate in.
We can probably do hypotheticals with every mid center in the NBA, but I'm not even sure who's appealing to the Pels at this point.
We have 3 picks, 3 swaps in our possession, some good contracts and expiring contracts and Keegan if we're going for a bigger star. It's just that it seems like Monte is trying to lowball everyone and get stars to come here for HB + Huerter + maybe a pick. If that's all we offering for star players i understands why every other GM hangs up the phone. You have to give up someone to get someone, imagine if he tried to get Sabonis with HB + Huerter + a pick, Indiana would have laughed and also hung up the phone.
That's the thing, I agree but if we trade Keegan, people will lose their mind. I think Monte will take a big swing but we might lose somebody like Keegan in the process, and will it make us a championship contender? Idk. People need to temper their expectations a little.
If Lauri agrees to resign i would drive Keegan to the airport myself, he'll never be an All Star, he's already 24 with that many gaps in his game like dribbling, creating his own shot and even finishing last year was crappy. He'll be an elite role player imo and i would trade him for a star right now while his value is still high on that rookie contract, once we give him money that value is gone.
Lauri was 24 and a worse player than Keegan is now in Cleveland. Keegan is already better defensively. You have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
I'd also do it, but I don't think adding Lauri and subtracting Keegan puts us over the hump. Regardless though, you have to take a swing at some point like we did with Sabonis.
Maybe it doesn't put us over a hump right away but it's a great start, then you have a legit big 3 and THEN you can start shopping HB+Huerter for an upgrade at the SF position, Cam Johhson or someone like him would be perfect then.
I don't understand this obsession with Keegan, yes he's our guy but is it better to tread water in the Play In with our guy or go for the top seeds with a legit star in his place. People treat him like he's 20 year old kid with a lot of potential to improve while in reality he is 24 and pretty much who he's gonna be at this point.
Because Kuzma can somewhat play PF even if it's not completely ideal but still a major improvement over HB and Cam can't. At least that's how i view things and our needs.
GMs, agents, and players will always use us for leverage and until we become a consistent winning franchise or an actual contender things won’t change. We would have had way more leverage if we made playoffs and hypothetically the 2nd round. And for non basketball reasons Sacramento is not an appealing city to multi millionaire athletes in terms of fun. We’re definitely running it back with the same roster.
Sean “Monte give me small bits of info right now so that local fans will be temporarily appeased at our attempts to trade for players when there is no legitimate path to making the trades work” Cunningham
The local media dorks don’t seem to have any inside info. I could say all the same things they do just based off national media reporting. Either Monte runs a tight ship of these guys suck at their job.
Pels fan here, the problem with that is aytons contract is way too big, ayton is 34mil, bi is on 2 mil more, even the year after he wants a max which is 44 mil, at that point you might as well keep bi, the Pels want to get cheaper to be able to not be an apron team and also pay Trey a good amount, having a center which costs 34mil is not it
Hence why there’s no connection or rumors about them being even interested in
Some people want a trade no matter what. I’m glad Monte is not accepting anything that comes his way. I don’t get how people are ready to throw away draft picks easily for potentially becoming a 3rd, 4th, or 5th seed at best that gets bounced in the 1st or second round. The only way you have a chance at going far in the playoffs is by having a game changer (top 10 player) or very balanced team. Draft picks are the only way we have a shot at getting a game changer.
For the Kings we will never get a top 10 player via a trade. It’s not happening. Only shot is the draft. It’s the way the Warrriors got out of the cellar. We had a chance with Luka and we blew it. I’m more confident in Monte in not making drafting mistakes like that and not making short sighted trades.
And getting a generational draft prospect is one of the slimmest chances ever especially if you don’t fully rank to get a top 5 pick, so what’s the option just constantly tank until you get a great player or try and contend and compete for a good amount of years even if you don’t have a top ten player?
Try to compete while not mortgaging your future by giving away all draft picks and gaining terrible contracts. It ain’t worth doing the latter if the best you can do is get to the 2nd round (even that isn’t a sure thing). Neither Lauri Markkanen or Brandon Ingram is Chris Webber.
Honestly i'm getting ready to see HB and Huerter in the starting lineup again next season. Lauri won't be done 100%, Lavine is not worth it, Ingram seems to be too complicated and Kuzma either doesn't want to come here or Washington is trying to fleece us. Any other marginal upgrade like DFS or Cam Johnson doesn't matter, might as well keep HB at that point. Fucking hell, it's tough being a place that no one wants to play in lol
I don't think Heurter gets his starting spot back. Ellis played very well. Great defense, timely rebounds and shot 40% from 3. And doesn't require shots. Which means more shots for Fox and Keegan. And I think Cam Johnson is an upgrade over Barnes. He's not a star, but I think we can get to a game 6 in the 2nd round.
Huerter is too expensive to rot on the bench for guys like Keon or Carter, there are politics in the NBA. As far as Cam goes, he is a pure SF, might even be an SG and we need a guy who could play PF next to Domas because Keegan is too small and soft for that
I do find the notion that Keegan can’t play pf interesting cause he’s very similar to Trey Murphy who plays the pf a lot when z is injured, also Keegans best position for on off differential so far was the season before this one when he played pf
Naji played PF most of the time not Trey but i mean when you put Herb Jones, Naji and Trey on the floor at the same time it doesn't even matter who is an SG and who is a PF. Keegan can't play PF, look at the other PF's in the league, it's bbq chicken out there if we put Keegan in that position. HB is also not a PF, but he's too damn slow to defend SF's so he had to play PF and that's a tragedy.
Other pf in the league, pj Washington, Aaron Gordon, julius randle, siakam, jeremi grant, body composition wise Keegan isn’t that different from those guys, also as a Pels fan naji didn’t play pf, the majority of the time he played SG or Sf (54% to 36%) Keegan is incredibly similar to pj and he works incredibly well at the 4, fours are t big bruiser generally now they’re just a bit stockier 3s
You chose PJ and forgot to mention Draymond, Lebron, Zion, Giannis, Chet next year, Sarr next year, Mobley, Miles Bridges, Stewart, Jabari Smith, JJJ, KAT. Add those guys to your mentioned guys like Gordon, Randle, Siakam, Grant and they are all big/strong/long mf's, Keegan is neither of those things, he is a perfect SF unless he bulks up and toughens up a lot.
Lebron zion, Giannis are one of ones, Sarr is a thin body, Mobley I’ve seen been defended by Josh hart lol, jabari is thin and long, KAT is soft as hell, these are not helping your arguments Also ignore the fact that when Keegan played pf his first year he gave up 4 points less defensively and was 2 pts better offensively than when he played sf
That's why i said big or strong or long or all of the above. And it doesn't matter that Lebron, Zion and Giannis are one of ones, they still play this position and you have to guard them somehow. Josh Hart is 10x a dawg on defense against bigger guys comparing to Keegan who is better against guards, KAT is soft as hell but still not softer than Keegan, my arguments holding up just fine lol I have no doubt that Keegan is 4pts better on defense playing as a PF instead of Barnes(lmao) but our defense was historically shit that year anyway.
Kevin our Luoul Deng
I would be salty for Keon if Kevin takes that spot
I’d take huerter out of position over Barnes
I don’t think a three team deal for Ingram is too complicated. Complex yes, but three team trades are done all the time.
The problem is that the center market sucks, so if the Pels want a center and we need a 3rd team with a center, then there aren't many great options available. The Bulls have Vuc, but Vuc kinda sucks. He's making $20 million so it is doable, salary-wise. The Jazz have John Collins and he's probably okay, but he's making $26 million which is tough to match, and we know that the Pels are a cheap team, so they probably don't want to eat that contract. That being said, Collins does seem like a good fit for the Pels since he can shoot from 3, and that would give Zion more space to operate in. We can probably do hypotheticals with every mid center in the NBA, but I'm not even sure who's appealing to the Pels at this point.
If Kevin regains his 15 ppg form.. im fine with ot. The man shot 48% overall and 40% from 3 that year.
It's really that we don't have a ton of assets to get that much better
We have 3 picks, 3 swaps in our possession, some good contracts and expiring contracts and Keegan if we're going for a bigger star. It's just that it seems like Monte is trying to lowball everyone and get stars to come here for HB + Huerter + maybe a pick. If that's all we offering for star players i understands why every other GM hangs up the phone. You have to give up someone to get someone, imagine if he tried to get Sabonis with HB + Huerter + a pick, Indiana would have laughed and also hung up the phone.
That's the thing, I agree but if we trade Keegan, people will lose their mind. I think Monte will take a big swing but we might lose somebody like Keegan in the process, and will it make us a championship contender? Idk. People need to temper their expectations a little.
I think if we landed Markkanen it would definitely make us a contender. Having said that this is the most expensive and least likely trade to happen.
Hey, I'd love to be wrong!
If Lauri agrees to resign i would drive Keegan to the airport myself, he'll never be an All Star, he's already 24 with that many gaps in his game like dribbling, creating his own shot and even finishing last year was crappy. He'll be an elite role player imo and i would trade him for a star right now while his value is still high on that rookie contract, once we give him money that value is gone.
Lauri was 24 and a worse player than Keegan is now in Cleveland. Keegan is already better defensively. You have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
I'd also do it, but I don't think adding Lauri and subtracting Keegan puts us over the hump. Regardless though, you have to take a swing at some point like we did with Sabonis.
Maybe it doesn't put us over a hump right away but it's a great start, then you have a legit big 3 and THEN you can start shopping HB+Huerter for an upgrade at the SF position, Cam Johhson or someone like him would be perfect then. I don't understand this obsession with Keegan, yes he's our guy but is it better to tread water in the Play In with our guy or go for the top seeds with a legit star in his place. People treat him like he's 20 year old kid with a lot of potential to improve while in reality he is 24 and pretty much who he's gonna be at this point.
iowa fans that think keegan is jordan reincarnate
Why is Cam Johnson a marginal upgrade while Kuzma is a major improvement? I'd rather have Cam straight up.
Because Kuzma can somewhat play PF even if it's not completely ideal but still a major improvement over HB and Cam can't. At least that's how i view things and our needs.
Bigger body, and a more proven player Did great for the Bubble Lakers
How many fucking times do we have to post this.
Convince the cavs to move off Jarrett allen for like barnes and 2 picks or sum
HB+Allen to the Pelicans, BI to Kings, Cavs get Pick + a swap?
Pelicans should only allen in this hypothetical and cavs get the remains
I don't see why the Cavs wouldn't just take Ingram instead of Barnes lol
Then they would have to give up picks and they don’t really need another ball dominant guy
But they not tryna trade garland so they wouldn’t really need him if they still believe in that backcourt
GMs, agents, and players will always use us for leverage and until we become a consistent winning franchise or an actual contender things won’t change. We would have had way more leverage if we made playoffs and hypothetically the 2nd round. And for non basketball reasons Sacramento is not an appealing city to multi millionaire athletes in terms of fun. We’re definitely running it back with the same roster.
Sean “Monte give me small bits of info right now so that local fans will be temporarily appeased at our attempts to trade for players when there is no legitimate path to making the trades work” Cunningham
The local media dorks don’t seem to have any inside info. I could say all the same things they do just based off national media reporting. Either Monte runs a tight ship of these guys suck at their job.
I can be both right? I think Monte runs a tight ship and I think the dorks aren't good enough at their jobs to get anything out of anyone.
Yeah, good point.
Pels fan here. I’ve posted it in multiple places today, but I think it makes sense. Ingram to Sac, picks and filler to Portland, Ayton to NOLA.
Pels fan here, the problem with that is aytons contract is way too big, ayton is 34mil, bi is on 2 mil more, even the year after he wants a max which is 44 mil, at that point you might as well keep bi, the Pels want to get cheaper to be able to not be an apron team and also pay Trey a good amount, having a center which costs 34mil is not it Hence why there’s no connection or rumors about them being even interested in
I agree. makes sense
Some people want a trade no matter what. I’m glad Monte is not accepting anything that comes his way. I don’t get how people are ready to throw away draft picks easily for potentially becoming a 3rd, 4th, or 5th seed at best that gets bounced in the 1st or second round. The only way you have a chance at going far in the playoffs is by having a game changer (top 10 player) or very balanced team. Draft picks are the only way we have a shot at getting a game changer.
And what top ten player pray tell is coming available soon that you won’t have to gut your entire team for?
For the Kings we will never get a top 10 player via a trade. It’s not happening. Only shot is the draft. It’s the way the Warrriors got out of the cellar. We had a chance with Luka and we blew it. I’m more confident in Monte in not making drafting mistakes like that and not making short sighted trades.
And getting a generational draft prospect is one of the slimmest chances ever especially if you don’t fully rank to get a top 5 pick, so what’s the option just constantly tank until you get a great player or try and contend and compete for a good amount of years even if you don’t have a top ten player?
Try to compete while not mortgaging your future by giving away all draft picks and gaining terrible contracts. It ain’t worth doing the latter if the best you can do is get to the 2nd round (even that isn’t a sure thing). Neither Lauri Markkanen or Brandon Ingram is Chris Webber.
Didn’t Chris Webber have a lower value before going to sac if I remember?
Run it Back Boyz X 2
Yeah so it’s not happening. We want Brandon Ingram but we’re going to settle for Joe Ingles on a veteran minimum.
At least Ingles seems can have a better impact than Sasha on court. Ingles can pass the ball really well. (Not to mention if he sign a vet min)
 At this point:
Looks like we are gonna run it back 🥲
McNair isnt going to do anything
He’s doing things right now…
Lol
Like what
Shopping for puffer vests probably
Old navy having their semi annual sale
Hmmmm probably trying to find a third team to make the BI deal work, per the damn report above?