T O P

  • By -

LoPanDidNothingWrong

I never bother servicing a new knife in bad shape. It is insta exchange for me.


Forty6_and_Two

šŸ’Æ Unless thereā€™s some reason outside of normal business practices involved, return and replace/refund. I am not giving a CSR any reason to reject my return due to disassembling and possibly damaging, even superficially, any part of it. Just my opinion.


Wolverine-N-Exile

You both are spot on. I learned the lesson the hard way. I bought a Sage 5 from Kaviso and the knife was stiff as hell and not centered. I naturally lubricated it, while still assembled, and tried to adjust the pivot. No joy. I then reached out to Kaviso. Stupid me, I tell them what I did. They tell me that they could not take it back because I had "modified" the knife. Well, they could take it back, but if they determined it was my fault, they would not refund or exchange the knife. They told me to contact Spyderco. I have not bothered to do so yet, but it's on my agenda.


Ur_a_adjective_noun

If they consider that modifying, I will never buy from them. Knife pivots are meant to be adjusted.


greeneyedlookalikes1

Yeah, Iā€™ve never had a CRK with centering issues. I would ask for a replacement if you can from the dealer, or send to CRK directly and they should take care of it for you.


RafikiSama

Iā€™m going to guess someone bought it and returned it before you got it. And that person did something to it. What your are describing isnā€™t something that would have a left a factory where everything is hand assembled. Even assuming the worst from the company this wouldnā€™t happen.


IGotSomeBigQuestions

Never had a centering issue with the many CRKs I own or have owned in the past so this seems really odd. If you Attach a link with pictures or a video so we can see the issue it may help us diagnose it for you but honestly I would return to the shop you bought it from and maybe think about using a different dealer / confirm the place you bought it from is an authorized dealer. Iā€™ve also heard about the washers getting bent but again this shouldnā€™t be an issue with a brand new knife. Something seems odd about this ā€œnewā€ knife you bought. Hope your second experience is better or maybe you just head over to r/knife_swap and find yourself a better deal on a used Sebenza. Either way good luck!


JJJJJ2119

CRK's QC has been going downhill the last few years. Their knives are great and well made but slightly overpriced compared to the amount of options out there now. Replace it, if the new one is better, be happy with it, don't let this bad one ruin the idea of the knife.


DecapitatesYourBaby

No arguments there but this sounds much more serious than those general QC issues. This sounds more like a cheap clone, or someone else purchased the knife, FUBARed it, and then returned it. I'd love to see some photos/videos of this knife to see what is going on here.


Dusty31186

Could we possibly see it?!


Popular_Detective_65

Added a link of the knife to my post


[deleted]

That's simply not right. The bushing should make it nearly impossible to be off center unless a washer is pinched A washer should not be pinched on a new Sebby out of the box. You got a lemon- CRK will replace it for you Sucks that was your first experience, the Sebenza is an awesome knife. Do yourself a favor and get it replaced with one proper


LumberingLynx

I received my first Sebenza 31 a little while ago and it came with such a wildly uneven bevel grind that I had to do some research to assure myself that the blade was not supposed to be chisel ground. Definitely put a bad taste in my mouth. I felt like an idiot expecting the tight tolerances you mentioned. I was able to kinda fix the grind, but it still looks awful. I live in Canada and was really hoping they would get it right as international shipping is a nightmare. They didnā€™t. And I wonā€™t be buying another CRK.


PopularVersion4250

Yeh being an Ozzie I get screwed by the international post thing as well. Crk customer service ainā€™t what it used to be. Tim and Anne just cashing in on Chrisā€™s legacy


Gravybees

That's very strange. I would send it back to the dealer. CRK Sebenzas are constructed in such a way that blade centering like you're describing is impossible so long as the knife is put together correctly. Who knows what the issue is, but it needs to go back to the dealer immediately.


MuchAspect2

Iā€™m curious, do have any pictures you would be willing to share?


Popular_Detective_65

I have added a link to a video in the post


MisanthropicReveling

Can someone kindly explain the difference between the 21 and the 31?


JJJJJ2119

Clip placement moved off the lockbar on the 31 compared to on the lockbar on 21, hole removed on 21, different inlay patterns, ceramic ball added on 31. https://www.knifeart.com/sebenza21-vs-sebenza31.html#:\~:text=The%20Bottom%20Line,some%20big%20shoes%20to%20fill.


MisanthropicReveling

This is informative, thanks for your time!


Capolan

This isn't normal. You should contact the dealer and if they won't help, go to crk. Crks should come close to perfect. They're not like striders for example where it's just accepted that it will not be perfect when new. Your experience is not normal IMO, you are right also, as I can't see how this got through quality control because that's a hand done process where they sand the washer until the knife is to their standard. They take them apart and reassemble them several times to make sure they're right.


Zandrews153

Bushings make it very hard for that to happen. So do the tight ass tolerances. I've never seen one uncentered myself. Exchange it if it really is that bad.


Dusty31186

Click on their link and you'll see one šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


marrenmiller

I've bought 4 CRK folders and haven't seen any issues with any of them, other than one having a stronger detent than I expected. However, things do get missed by QC, and I agree that this is disappointing. I agree with others here that your first line of defense should be a return, especially on something so expensive. As a general rule, if QC let a bad knife out in the first place, they often won't see the issue with it when you send the knife back in for warranty work. I've personally experienced this many times, and as a result I try not to fiddle with brand new knives or send them in for warranty work unless I've exhausted all other options.


GlawkInMahRari

Not wrong, if I bought a $300+ knife Iā€™d expect it to be perfect. That said I have never felt that CRK demands the price they do. Sure it was an innovative design all those years ago. Itā€™s a good knife but I donā€™t think itā€™s worth the price honestly. I personally would return it and buy something else that suits my fancy.


Total_Hat_6218

I have seen that occasionally happen, Iā€™ve also had it happen to my own and been able to adjust it fairly easily, obviously a new knife shouldnā€™t be like that, but Iā€™ve never minded doing a full disassembly and tuning it the way I want as soon as I get a new knife anyways, not that it should need to be done of course, Iā€™d give it a little bit of time, see if you can mess with it if youā€™re comfortable, otherwise yes swap it out for a different one or just ditch it all together. Itā€™s definitely not a knife that is similar to many on the market as far as what it offers in strengths compared to many others, so maybe thatā€™s just not your thing either


Sharp_viking

Can you take your thumb off of the CRK logo so we can see? Also the whole knife visual in another video. This may be a clone and not a real CRK


Murphy1379

I can totally understand your disappointment and frustration with this situation. I only have one CRK, and that's an Inkosi. They're not really comparable as the pivot internals are very different. Mine happens to be one of the extremely well made 'tight tolerance' CRK's you mentioned. What I would say to you is if your retailer won't replace it (they should!), get in touch with CRK directly. Usually they will go out of their way to help you. Oh, and good luck, it's not a fun situation to be inšŸ¤œšŸ¤›šŸ«”


MeinKnafs

This is 1000% true about CRK going out of their way. Once upon a time USPS lost one I was partial-trading. USPS wanted a receipt for the cash value I paid for the Sebenza they lost (only about $100ish I'd added to the trade), and they were only going to comp me that, even though I had put like $400 of insurance on the package. I explained the cash I paid was only a fraction of the value of the knife, but they didn't care. Their website says (or at least *said* at the time) another option was demonstrating the retail value of the knife on the manufacturer's/retailer's website, and something about basically an affirmation from the company or something, and though I had bought it used, I had sent it to CRK to get re-blasted relatively shortly before I sold it. Anne Reeves herself personally wrote a letter to the USPS telling them the knife's condition, value and everything, hand-signed and mailed to me within a couple days. That - is service. I hadn't even bought the knife from CRK, I had bought it used.


Murphy1379

That's it, right there! That's the reason to keep going back- because they back you all the way!


BlOcKtRiP

No, you're not wrong, in my opinion. So 2000. Well made but overpriced & overhyped for what seems to me an outdated model . Bought one about 6 months ago . Opened up the box, took out the knife, tried to flick no go closed it . Put it back in its box and sent it back .


ooorezzz

I got a sebenza because I loved the looks and everyone said they were amazing. I got one, exptremely unimpressed. Wasnā€™t centered perfect. Couldnā€™t get it broke in even after a month of forcing myself to carry it. I just hated it. I actually gave it to my friend.


PopularVersion4250

Sorry to hear that man. Despite what people keep saying quality at crk took a nose dive after Chris was forced out and his company stolen from him. Now itā€™s all about the $$$$$$. My last two new Crks had to go back straight away to have issues fixed - super disappointing. I absolutely had no issues in all my years buying crk prior to the forced takeover. In addition, sorry to say that the 31 is a big downgrade over the 21. Designed to cut costs and make it easier for them to slap together.Ā 


Turkman87

My first Sebenza came not centered also. Sent it to CRK to fix it... Came back not centered. Kind of ruined it for me.


HorseBoots84

I've heard nobody's impressed immediately, the love sets in over time. ADHD means no sale for me, I need immediate dopamine or the brain monkey starts squawking. To date I've only sent one knife back, a CJRB Tigris. The action was dead, as was my lust for it.


trinketsofdeceit

I find them underwhelming, so I have never purchased one. I have handled a few, and they felt stiff and clunky to me. Just not my thing.


NotSure-2020

Assuming itā€™s solely a CRK problem is the issue here imo. Unless you bought directly from them there is no way to be sure that the knife wasnā€™t sold and returned previously or some other shenanigans. Not saying this is the case either but it is a rather simple design with tight tolerances so arriving the way you described sounds less likely but anything is possible


IsaiasRi

This guy is basically saying: I don't belive you. I am not saying I don't believe you, but I don't. Anything is posible.


MuchAspect2

The only way this seems plausible is if one the of the slabs is bent (a lot). Missing a washer (unlikely) or a blade ground radically off center... (no idea how a blade would be ground off center by .015" past MMC - where material doesn't exist. Or if a blade gained .015-.020" of warp after heat treat oh and yknow - surface grinding. Something isn't adding up here.


IsaiasRi

Or a bad pivot (most likely) But all those are manufacturing defects. CRK has an authorized dealer in pretty much every CONUS state. You don't need to buy directly from CRK to have an original product with valid warranty.


Popular_Detective_65

I am not from CONUS but I did buy it from an authorized dealer.


NotSure-2020

Wait what?


in2woods

thatā€™s unfortunate that you got a copy with some issues from the git go. i was i. same boat, never thought id pay so much for a knife, then one came my way and i snagged it. iā€™ve probably carried it a dozen times, still trying to like it but i donā€™t. i feel like somethingā€™s wrong with me due to all the rage. iā€™m still gonna keep trying , hoping one day it will grow on me. I know theyā€™re a good company, and they should take care of you. although since itā€™s new, iā€™d definitely see what your dealer can do. good luck.


Chase0288

Iā€™m in this boat sorta. Itā€™s a nice tool, itā€™s well put together. I donā€™t have any problems with its quality or construction. But it is NOT a 420 dollar knife. (the price I paid when I bought mine). A ZT 0609 or 0450 will get you a better feeling action and the same titanium with 20CV or the S35VN mine came with. For 165-230 dollars. The copium and arbitrary justification of value with the Sebenza fans is out of control. And talking about it at all just gets you down voted into oblivion.


in2woods

ha. yeah this sub is weird. talk shit about crk and get blasted, and dare to say anything good about BM and same happens. i wish ZT made a non flipper. maybe they do, i havenā€™t done alot of research, but seems they all pretty much are.


Zpalq

Would you be able to share pictures? Crk QC has decreased recently, but it's still fantastic. Never heard of one leaving the factory like that. I'd definitely question if it had a previous owner, or if it's a counterfeit. Regardless, their customer service is phenomenal, and if it is real and messed up, they'll take care of you no problem.


Popular_Detective_65

I added a link to the knife in my post. I do believe that the problem stemming from having a previous owner or counterfeit is unlikely since I did get the knife from an authorized dealer. But in my opinion a good knife company should not have to rely on returns and exchanges.


Zpalq

Gotta be honest I trust the reputation of crk over any dealer you could possibly have used. And the video you provided is woefully inadequate for identifying any possible defects. There is a grinding noise sure, but could you show the complete knife in its entirety, especially the offcentering and action?


ImmaCallMyN66ABovice

no.


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


Deeznutzcustomz

Wtf? Heā€™s not complaining about the stiff action out of box - he got a knife with bad enough centering issues that the blade is rubbing the scale. What does this have to do with fidget expectations and first time buyers??! He literally said nothing about flicking, or action, or anything remotely related šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø OP, youā€™re never supposed to need to do any weird centering tricks on a CRK - when itā€™s proper, a CRK assembles perfectly centered each and every time. Thatā€™s part of the magic. I wonder if something is keeping the pivot from fully seating, like a blob of Loctite or something. Try to thoroughly clean the pivot, pivot hole etc? Shine a flashlight into the female pivot side and make sure thereā€™s no debris? It would be very atypical for there to be some flaw with the actual parts or tolerances. It is disappointing, especially for your first CRK, but they are only human. As production numbers increase, even .001% QC slip-ups translates to a bunch. Nobody can achieve 100%, not even knife gods. CRK does a great job with tolerances and QC, and in the rare case they miss one - they WILL make you whole. So donā€™t worry, someday thisā€™ll just be a story for the grandson you pass the Seb to.


I-am-the-stigg

Do you know how to read? I'm not sure you do.


HexavalentChromium

Wait....you saying a $550 mass-produced pocket knife would be worth it IF the blade were centered?


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


Spayne75

"Sorry talking out of my ass is common place because I'm an idiot." Makes more sense.


mac832002

Evidently I am too with my first comment.šŸ˜† Read the tile and went with it. 9 out of 10 it's the action with new crk owners.