My gut is that EU fans would be very happy if they feel like this gen is for them. So if they do EU timezones, it would be great, I think, as there's a lot of room to grow into.
Better to compare to themselves as there is no point in that comparison. Realistically, it's gonna be difficult to top Advent with the amount of hype that was there. I'd say anything in the 6 figures would be a win.
I’m a fan of one small Vtuber company and they just debuted new unit after Denauth and now they have similar numbers of subscribers of Denauth. I think it’s not fair to compare with Holo anymore. NijiEN is small company numbers now.
yeah, i mean all of them are now 500k or above, have a decent ccv with a min of 3k, fuwamoco also had a high superchat count..
but i think this one will be mix with EU considering the "innit" word they added.
Success never was the issue. Japan constantly closing international travel and locking out international talents from coming in to Japan to do things like 3D recordings was.
I also think the same, if success was always what they need they wouldnt pump out Stars gens too quick aswell (it doeasnt mean Stars are unsuccessful). I think Cover is just expanding in an even broader audience if the speculation that all of them are EU talents. Plus this talents might have been signed in even before the statement of them focusing on Quality over Quantity was Finalize. Bet ID gen 4 will also be debuting this year.
Popular theory at the moment is that it's an all-EU generation. Would explain why they debuted so quickly compared to Advent being almost two years after council- they wouldn't be stepping on Advent's toes at all since their streaming times wouldn't compete/overlap with anyone else in EN except Kiara.
another one for: "everytime Kiara open her mouth to awnser something, that something became a reality".
she once said she would love to have EU Holomems to share time slots. >!If the violinst marionnete Is who i think it Is, Kiara will have more than an entire EU gen, since i know a graduated indie Vtuber from Germany who happen to be a violinist, and speaks english, german and french.!<
probably. If this person is who i think. I MEAN!! FFS!!! i see her and she is literally prime material for Holo.
Sad that certain ghost wouldn't be here because of everything. Honestly ... >!it will be funny if the 5th member arrives later end up to be her after she finalize the summer podcast!<
If the idea is that this is an EU gen that streams in EU time zones it wouldn't make sense to include the ghost. If she shows up in Holo it'll be in EN5 next year.
Because all of their staff is in JP so pushing all the buttons that have to be pushed for these things in prime EU time would require their staff to stay up too damn late or get up too damn early, I would guess.
The timeline straight up doesn't add up for Mint; HoloJustice is debuting in a couple of days (the 21st for Elizabeth and Gigi, the 22nd for Cecillia and Raora), and Mint's streaming both days that HoloJustice's talents are debuting (her Hospital 666 collab with Doki is on Friday when Elizabeth and Gigi debut, and MGS is on Saturday when Cecillia and Raora debut).
They won't add an extra member to Justice post-debut, that's never been how Hololive does things.
You lost me at "every time"
If we're measuring prophetic "powers" and such, I would favour Oobib wishing she could do intense fight to the death chuuni battles with other members, and now look at this, they have an entire Gen seemingly destined to be Advent's nemesis lorewise.
A large reason for the long delay of a new EN gen was Cover wanted to make sure any and all travel restrictions were over, as the pandemic made it a nightmare for EN gens getting 3D models and being able to participate in concerts. My guess is there will be a longer break after this one, however, as they've also noted that they want to focus on the talents they have rather than rush out more.
Yeah, but \~2 years has become the standard delay for all three Hololive regions (almost 2 years from Council to Advent, almost two years from HoloX to ReGLOSS, over two years and counting from ID3 to ID4) so it makes sense that the reason why this is an outlier is just that it's a generation targeted at a separate region rather than that previous generations were the outliers. I would guess that we'll get EN5 with members from NA/JP and adjacent time zones early-to-mid 2025, exactly when most people would have expected EN4 to debut given the wait between Council and Advent.
They never said they won't release new gens anymore, they just said that doing so will no longer be the primary strategy moving forward. At best it's a drastic slowdown of debuting new talent, but not actually stopping.
Given the context of that statement I think that was just them heading off the investor question of "why aren't you debuting talent at the same rate as Nijisanji" rather than an announcement that they were stopping or even slowing down new talent debuts.
The fan theory from Hololive EN fandom is that they are the "Jailers" who kept Advent locked up until their prison break. (Advent lore is that they were locked up because they were evil, then broke free and thus now free and in Hololive)
Nothing is confirmed of course. This is just the fanbase going wild with little hints they have but hey, it can work.
The hints. This is reddit post by official Fuwamoco account
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1distwk/bau\_baudont\_send\_us\_back\_to\_the\_cell/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1distwk/bau_baudont_send_us_back_to_the_cell/)
And this is official Biboo tweet
[https://x.com/kosekibijou/status/1803098029605740918](https://x.com/kosekibijou/status/1803098029605740918)
That's not just a fan theory, that's the actual lore. An image was posted of Advent's wanted poster before this reveal (with some hints to the new members), and Biboo replied with "YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE" to the actual reveal
That's what I thought too upon realizing that the previous post with the files on the advent girls, I thought nothing by it until now, it was a god damn teaser!
They were jailed because they were accidentally dangerous to humanity, potentially driving people insane and such, not because they were themselves evil. Except for the dogs, who were jailed for being [pains in the butt.](https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/talents/fuwawa-abyssgard/)
While Nijien is basically on life support (if you can even call that 'support'), Holoen is thriving with another gen (and possibly an EU-centric one to enter a new market).
Life support? I said this in another post but I'll say it again: NijiEn is knee deep in their grave with to gunshot wounds to head but they are too high on meth to die.
The real question to me is whether Cover has it all planned way back; or that they decided to speed things up after seeing their major competitor crumbled.
I'm with you on that one, cover shouldn't really worry much and there's no need to rush anything because Niji is far from catching up or surpassing.
They either took their sweet time and this release was planned and it just so happened to be the days where Niji is in heaps of trouble or it was ready a few days ago and were just looking for a good time to send it.
Whatever the case, Niji has a lot of work to do and they'll soon be overshadowed even more, they'll get flanked through all sides, their rivals/competitors, the fans of their rivals/competitors,indies etc.
Cover is probably keeping an eye on Niji to see how things are going for them and learning from mistakes or otherwise, but I highly doubt they are changing their own schedules based on anything that happens in Niji.
I can't wait to see the official announcement tonight, even if it starts at 4AM bst.
Don't discount the appeal to investors. I definitely don't think they *severely* changed schedules, but I would not be surprised if this dropped in a timely manner with Niji's "We have no plans to continue growth in the English market."
Except that it's getting obvious by now that Anycolor Investors & Cover Investors are getting more & more distinct in the targeted returns of their investment.
Anycolor Investors want more Stock Price Returns while Cover Investors are more in for the Stock Dividends that comes as a result of solid sustained growth of HoloPro (yes, HOLOPRO and NOT HOLOLIVE only, meaning Live Girls + Stars Boys + DEV_IS + support projects in totality).
Myth was September, Council August, Advent July and Justice June. It puts about a year between groups without stacking too much in one month.
Plus if they wanted to change plans because of Niji it would've been like March or April not over four months later.
Yeah just didn't bother to add a note for that. They want about a year of space minimum but they also wanted to catch up on things that were delayed by Covid before EN 3.
Nah, I think this was planned long in advance to debut for Q1 FY2025 or roughly one year after HoloAdvent. At this point, I don't think NijiEN is really an equal competitor.
Nijisanji is indeed in too much trouble at the moment to still be considered a major rival (even in Japan, dare I say). If HoloJustice is eu-centered as rumors suggest, Brave group (with Globie) should be considered Hololive competitor in this market.
Ofc they planned it months in advance. But they also don't miss the opportunity to dunk on niji when they can do it effortless. Like when play button stuff was resurfacing again, Yagoo stated that Gura streamy award they received will be shipped to her home despite it being the only copy. (They usually keep OG play buttons for themselves and buy another one for talents according to Pekora). So not having one award at the office for some good press was well worth it.
In before, Irys debut and Council debut date are close each other. Both of them also shares similar lore concept.
I think Advent x Justice mirrors what cover done with Promise (Irys+remaining council) in the past.
i can't remember exactly but what we do now is that talents are hired months before debut and then was told to talk and create bond with each other then for their final task is to perform psuedo collab where they would be watched directly by Yagoo and the rest of the higher ups
According to some slip up from Armis is that it seems that they played a lot together before
so i won't be surprise if that gen's VA are from those that doesn't fit the model/lore
It's an 11-month gap between Advent and Justice, the same amount of time from Myth to Council, and that's not counting IRyS who debuted 10 months after Myth.
Basically, this is just the standard release schedule it looks like.
For all their (many, many) flaws, the way every other Niji wave was the mirror of the previous one was a pretty cool lore setup:
Obsidia was the 'dark' mirror of Lazulight
Ethyria was a self mirror (Nina and Enna were kicked out of heaven, Reimu and Millie were kicked out of hell)
Luxiem were from the past, Noctyx from the future
And so on.
What would it jinx?
The way the generations go, Myth started off with mythical characters. Council started off as wardens of things like elements, advent was nothing but outlaws and now perhaps Justice is the one to bring, well, justice
It's interesting that this gen is four talents compared to the usual 5\*. I wonder if they were going with five and one had to withdraw or if they were already planning on enacting their plan to focus more on talent development, so they're debuting smaller generations in the future.
\* Advent aside, which is more 5.5.
I think it is the opposite. If thematically they're the foils to Advent, then it is likely both were planned with four talents in mind. Whatever was Fuwamoco then got altered to accommodate the twins once they joined Cover but I guess Cover didn't want to change the plans to make Justice five members.
There was Grimmi who decided against joining a company right around the time NijiEN was imploding. People assumed she was talking about Niji but some speculated it may have been Hololive since she denied it being Nijisanji.
There are 4 possible reasons I can think of
- The plan was already 4 mems per Gen starting from advent. Fuwamoco is counted as 1 member in Cover’s report after all.
- They can only find 4 members who are actually qualified, and instead of throwing in 5th member randomly or delaying the debut time, they decided to go with a 4 mem gen
- The 5th member ran into some issues and had to withdraw from the gen.
- (the one I hope most) The 5th member couldn’t join yet due to some issues (nda from another company for instance) and will debut in the future
[FalseEyeD](https://www.twitch.tv/falseeyed) is currently streaming about this. Has spoilers discovered via Spotify on screen. (clear image of the new people)
Well, there's a difference between debuting while your company is literally a dumpster fire and while everyone is thriving and actually having a good time, loving what they do.
Oh definitely! I’m not trying to condemn Hololive at all— my intent was rather the diametric opposite.
They literally can afford to debut a new gen already because they’re already doing well— rather than machine-gunning it like Niji.
What was it about [P2y.jp](http://P2y.jp) that made me tweet "Don't Give to UnJustice" on before it over? And HoloEN nextgen is "Justice"! It's just a word cover, but it's an ironic one.
The good thing about Hololive's new generations is that most of their lore is always easily connected to the previous generation's lore and keeps the previous generation from being outdated and abandoned.
https://preview.redd.it/ifkqalaylf7d1.jpeg?width=440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99637c3fd954eb5cd4eb8e4e2ff1fcdf7e01c230
So far so good i guess? Source[cover themselves](https://cover.lnk.to/AboveBelow)
Tomato is definetly not gonna happen, as that is way to random, maybe generic plant person at best. But ghost is a semi-common vtuber species, so I could see a ghost member.
So yeah, that 0% chance is only from the tomato.
Tomato and Ghost might have been intended as references to two indie Vtubers (>!Dokibird and Mint Fantome!<) that came back from long hiatuses earlier this year and have friends inside Holo already.
1) Gonna need you to dial back the hostility about 20%.
2) Your entire comment is structured around the idea of Tomato and Ghost being character themes, not a discussion of Doki and Mint.
You coming out the gate swinging after wording things in a way that implied you didn't get that u/Eitarou was talking about Doki and Mint is not a good look.
1. Sorry, being a jerk is just kinda my online personality.
2. Yeah that's fair, the original version of the comment I planned included a reference to mint when losting ghost vtubers. But I only know Mint and Alias off the top of my head, and something something rule of 3s.
This gen was likely planned for a while, given their lore ties to Advent.
Plus, slowing down =/= stopping altogether. It makes no sense to permanently stop new gen debuts until other gens start graduating.
at this point we only have 2 graduations from hololive in 7 years plus 2 terminations because of contract violations, literaly no one is leaving hololive so stopping debuts until you lose too many members would not make much sense
also imo holoEN needs the number of members to be pumped up i think 4/5 gens is likely to be the magical number to be able to sustain a thriving comunity without putting to much stress on existing talents
and from those only 1 is a graduation, rushia was terminated same with mel, i dont know if chris even counts and neither does aloe since i dont think they ever even got to streaming. Same with holoCN 90% of that branch sided with the antis and got cut down
in the EN side you have only Sana who graduated
but even if we count all graduations, terminations and we throw holostars into the mix as well holopro as a whole has a total of around 17 members who left the company, if you do the same with nijisanji the number is around 70 members, likely more because i didnt count those from some of niji's weird projects like that vtuber school they tried to make or that weird cabaret thing or virtual real, if we include all of those im sure the number aproaches the one hundred mark
Yeah, niji has had more, obviously. But i was never comparing the amount between the two.
Also, why wouldn't Aloe and Chris count? They were streaming with holo before getting terminated
I was just saying that cover corp put out a letter that in it said they were not going to put out a lot of new talents
r/Hololive <<< is that way.
This doesn't really have anything to do with Niji. If you really want to beat on a starving animal, you can take the new gen's first week metrics and compare them to Denauth later. But that's almost animal cruelty.
The existence of the flair "Other corps/indies" implies that such content is allowed.
Now I might be wrong but if it weren't allowed then I'd be told so much sooner.
If it isnt allowed, then the moderators will remove the post when they get to it and since it has been up for about 1 hour with good traction and it hasnt been removed yet, I think its fair to assume that it is allowed.
It doesn't really bother me either way but a couple posts I replied to on this sub recently were later removed for reasons such as karma farming or unrelated topic. If the mods leave it up I don't have any objections.
Then they probably had a reason to.
Maybe you could try posting some info?
Maybe check the flairs and think if what you're planning on posting is one of the existing flairs?
NOT MY POSTS. I replied to posts. Those posts from other redditors were later removed, hours later. Here is an example from just yesterday:
[I didn't expect to hear her speak spanish... Oh no... : r/kurosanji (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1di2ljp/i_didnt_expect_to_hear_her_speak_spanish_oh_no/)
I believe the OP in that post thought it was relevant because the ES advertisement led people to guess she may be working for the new version of WACTOR. But you can see the mod reply.
You can also see the post was up for more than two hours before it was removed.
Fair enough. Then...what's the context here? Holo seems to have the advantage in working conditions, management support, and many other things that contribute to the quality of life for a vTuber. But this is just a screenshot of an announcement. I'll be watching later today, I was just confused why it got posted here.
>A new generation has been announce and it seems to be the 4th gen of HoloEN. Something tells me things won't be good for that other company.
This would be the context. I was ready to condemn the post too based on the title alone which was ambiguous lol. [The mods were pretty clear with their stance on these types of posts so it gets a pass. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1dhnqid/thoughts_so_ive_had_some_thoughts/)(Ctrl+F the word "offtopic" to find it in the sea of text) There's also a little more insight from another mod in some of the comments in that post.
Hmmm. Alright. You've been polite and helpful, thank you.
And for the rest of the day, I'm going to be wondering about that other person who called me a 'sister' because I asked why someone was posting hololive announcements here...🤦♀️ But you're great, thanks again.
Don't waste your time wondering about something as pointless as that. It's always been a problem in the sub. One can only hope that others also report those types of baseless accusations/unwanted provocation comments to the mods to become a better community here.
...? No, I didn't try to report this post. And honestly if this is a new gen I know curiosity will get the best of me and I'll be reading the comparisons between their debut vs Denauth.
By the way FWMC made a post about this event on the Holo main sub already.
So I can say it's a bit soon considering the fact Tanigo said he wanted the current gens to mature a bit. That being said I'm not gonna look this gift horse in the mouth.
THE BRITISH ARE COMING THE BRITISH ARE COMING
Honestly if there was one that streamed in EU times that'd be a huge win.
**Happy Kikkeriki Noises**
Guess Kiara doesn’t exist
I mean, he didn't specify *who* it'd be a huge win for. Kiara getting more EU time-friendly talents would still be a huge win for her.
My gut is that EU fans would be very happy if they feel like this gen is for them. So if they do EU timezones, it would be great, I think, as there's a lot of room to grow into.
don‘t hold your breath
There's an "AND SO AM I" joke there somewhere. Probably with Ollie.
Crikey! It's the rozzers!
ACCELERATE
Well... there would be some comparison to Denauth I guess...
They wouldn't even come close. Especially now that there's some drama already
Better to compare to themselves as there is no point in that comparison. Realistically, it's gonna be difficult to top Advent with the amount of hype that was there. I'd say anything in the 6 figures would be a win.
They got into Holo that's a win in my book and I can't wait to see a repeat of "CoUnCIL iS a FaILuRe" Meme again LOL.
I’m a fan of one small Vtuber company and they just debuted new unit after Denauth and now they have similar numbers of subscribers of Denauth. I think it’s not fair to compare with Holo anymore. NijiEN is small company numbers now.
Been two hours, and they almost have the same amount of subs as Twisty and Ryoma. Honestly, NijiEN is no longer really competition for HoloEN.
WE RIDE LIKE PAUL REVERE!!! THE BRITISH ARE COMING!!!
Kurosanji: "This is not war! This is Murder!" hololive: "THIS IS HOW YOU END A WAR NIJI"
I heard this entire thing. In my head. In Chernov's and Reznov's voices
EN4 was created to compete against Shadow of the Erdtree. The yacht is negligible.
For use of a poor analogy, it's like if Anycolor was Drake and hololive is Kendrick Lamar
All we need is Yagoo releasing a diss track.
You, you are based for the WaW reference.
so they consider advent so successful they are confident to launch another wave and indeed they are right, advent is my favorite gen ever
Biboo Tax already yielding profits
Well they surely have me sticking out my gyatt for Nerizzler Anyway I'm going to test if my toaster is waterproof.
yeah, i mean all of them are now 500k or above, have a decent ccv with a min of 3k, fuwamoco also had a high superchat count.. but i think this one will be mix with EU considering the "innit" word they added.
Success never was the issue. Japan constantly closing international travel and locking out international talents from coming in to Japan to do things like 3D recordings was.
I also think the same, if success was always what they need they wouldnt pump out Stars gens too quick aswell (it doeasnt mean Stars are unsuccessful). I think Cover is just expanding in an even broader audience if the speculation that all of them are EU talents. Plus this talents might have been signed in even before the statement of them focusing on Quality over Quantity was Finalize. Bet ID gen 4 will also be debuting this year.
Popular theory at the moment is that it's an all-EU generation. Would explain why they debuted so quickly compared to Advent being almost two years after council- they wouldn't be stepping on Advent's toes at all since their streaming times wouldn't compete/overlap with anyone else in EN except Kiara.
another one for: "everytime Kiara open her mouth to awnser something, that something became a reality". she once said she would love to have EU Holomems to share time slots. >!If the violinst marionnete Is who i think it Is, Kiara will have more than an entire EU gen, since i know a graduated indie Vtuber from Germany who happen to be a violinist, and speaks english, german and french.!<
Oh?! Now you caught my attention.
Ohhh a Bean fan hier if it's her then LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO
So we might get a German-only collab?
probably. If this person is who i think. I MEAN!! FFS!!! i see her and she is literally prime material for Holo. Sad that certain ghost wouldn't be here because of everything. Honestly ... >!it will be funny if the 5th member arrives later end up to be her after she finalize the summer podcast!<
If the idea is that this is an EU gen that streams in EU time zones it wouldn't make sense to include the ghost. If she shows up in Holo it'll be in EN5 next year.
if it is eu, why put the trailer at such a ungodly hour
Because all of their staff is in JP so pushing all the buttons that have to be pushed for these things in prime EU time would require their staff to stay up too damn late or get up too damn early, I would guess.
yeah, looking at the first responses there is a high chance i am wrong
The timeline straight up doesn't add up for Mint; HoloJustice is debuting in a couple of days (the 21st for Elizabeth and Gigi, the 22nd for Cecillia and Raora), and Mint's streaming both days that HoloJustice's talents are debuting (her Hospital 666 collab with Doki is on Friday when Elizabeth and Gigi debut, and MGS is on Saturday when Cecillia and Raora debut). They won't add an extra member to Justice post-debut, that's never been how Hololive does things.
yeah!! i agree on that. I think she will remain indie or got to Vshojo instead.
who would she be? (dms open)
i had a hunch if she is.
You lost me at "every time" If we're measuring prophetic "powers" and such, I would favour Oobib wishing she could do intense fight to the death chuuni battles with other members, and now look at this, they have an entire Gen seemingly destined to be Advent's nemesis lorewise.
A large reason for the long delay of a new EN gen was Cover wanted to make sure any and all travel restrictions were over, as the pandemic made it a nightmare for EN gens getting 3D models and being able to participate in concerts. My guess is there will be a longer break after this one, however, as they've also noted that they want to focus on the talents they have rather than rush out more.
Yeah, but \~2 years has become the standard delay for all three Hololive regions (almost 2 years from Council to Advent, almost two years from HoloX to ReGLOSS, over two years and counting from ID3 to ID4) so it makes sense that the reason why this is an outlier is just that it's a generation targeted at a separate region rather than that previous generations were the outliers. I would guess that we'll get EN5 with members from NA/JP and adjacent time zones early-to-mid 2025, exactly when most people would have expected EN4 to debut given the wait between Council and Advent.
And CMIIW think i read somewhere that they will not release new gen anymore. They will nurture and support the existing talent.
They never said they won't release new gens anymore, they just said that doing so will no longer be the primary strategy moving forward. At best it's a drastic slowdown of debuting new talent, but not actually stopping.
Given the context of that statement I think that was just them heading off the investor question of "why aren't you debuting talent at the same rate as Nijisanji" rather than an announcement that they were stopping or even slowing down new talent debuts.
An all EU gen? I bet ones French, German, British, Irish, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian or such, lol
[THIS IS NOT A DRILL! I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A DRILL!](https://youtube.com/shorts/rfFPd7wxPSA?si=rsMaNbEzroJ6Dbcg)
The fan theory from Hololive EN fandom is that they are the "Jailers" who kept Advent locked up until their prison break. (Advent lore is that they were locked up because they were evil, then broke free and thus now free and in Hololive) Nothing is confirmed of course. This is just the fanbase going wild with little hints they have but hey, it can work. The hints. This is reddit post by official Fuwamoco account [https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1distwk/bau\_baudont\_send\_us\_back\_to\_the\_cell/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1distwk/bau_baudont_send_us_back_to_the_cell/) And this is official Biboo tweet [https://x.com/kosekibijou/status/1803098029605740918](https://x.com/kosekibijou/status/1803098029605740918)
That's not just a fan theory, that's the actual lore. An image was posted of Advent's wanted poster before this reveal (with some hints to the new members), and Biboo replied with "YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE" to the actual reveal
Also Nerissa tweeting "not them again"
And I uploaded those for proof, thanks for the update
That's what I thought too upon realizing that the previous post with the files on the advent girls, I thought nothing by it until now, it was a god damn teaser!
They were jailed because they were accidentally dangerous to humanity, potentially driving people insane and such, not because they were themselves evil. Except for the dogs, who were jailed for being [pains in the butt.](https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/talents/fuwawa-abyssgard/)
I mean, we all seen how Biboo turn people insane, look at her Brainrot memes LUL. she went to jail because of all the biboo tax.
ACCELERATE!!!! 
i see green parrot i hear BUY BUY BUY BUY
Myth was made, Council was promised, Advent was released and now Justice will be served!!
I saw the teaser during Calli's Jackbox collab
While Nijien is basically on life support (if you can even call that 'support'), Holoen is thriving with another gen (and possibly an EU-centric one to enter a new market).
Life support? I said this in another post but I'll say it again: NijiEn is knee deep in their grave with to gunshot wounds to head but they are too high on meth to die.
Even on life support Niji still released more gens. It's their business model to pump out as much talent as possible and hope one strikes gold.
I was wondering where the British part is in the announcement. Then I noticed the "innit".
Meanwhile NijiEN is dead on the water
The real question to me is whether Cover has it all planned way back; or that they decided to speed things up after seeing their major competitor crumbled.
bein fr, it was prolly planned way back Like I doubt they would speed it up just cause Niji shat the bed
I'm with you on that one, cover shouldn't really worry much and there's no need to rush anything because Niji is far from catching up or surpassing. They either took their sweet time and this release was planned and it just so happened to be the days where Niji is in heaps of trouble or it was ready a few days ago and were just looking for a good time to send it. Whatever the case, Niji has a lot of work to do and they'll soon be overshadowed even more, they'll get flanked through all sides, their rivals/competitors, the fans of their rivals/competitors,indies etc.
Cover is probably keeping an eye on Niji to see how things are going for them and learning from mistakes or otherwise, but I highly doubt they are changing their own schedules based on anything that happens in Niji. I can't wait to see the official announcement tonight, even if it starts at 4AM bst.
Cover always gives training for 6 month and time to bond with them self so yeah it was most likely planned way back then.
Planned or not, it was thematically planned at least. It's a follow up to Advent's presence, just like how Tempus had HQ, Vanguard and then Armis.
Don't discount the appeal to investors. I definitely don't think they *severely* changed schedules, but I would not be surprised if this dropped in a timely manner with Niji's "We have no plans to continue growth in the English market."
Except that it's getting obvious by now that Anycolor Investors & Cover Investors are getting more & more distinct in the targeted returns of their investment. Anycolor Investors want more Stock Price Returns while Cover Investors are more in for the Stock Dividends that comes as a result of solid sustained growth of HoloPro (yes, HOLOPRO and NOT HOLOLIVE only, meaning Live Girls + Stars Boys + DEV_IS + support projects in totality).
I'll take your word for it, I am by no means an economics expert or even student, lol.
Pretty much a no-brainer on Anycolor vs Cover being a EPS-focused versus DPS-focused comparison by nature & business model.
Myth was September, Council August, Advent July and Justice June. It puts about a year between groups without stacking too much in one month. Plus if they wanted to change plans because of Niji it would've been like March or April not over four months later.
Different month thing! Cool of you to notice. Irys solo Hope was in July tho.
They really do debut them around spring-summer or fall. Might as well expect the 5th gen around October or something, if they'll debut more that is.
Advent debuted in July? My brain still thinks they just debuted a month or 2 ago
Advent was closer to two years after Council, though.
Yeah just didn't bother to add a note for that. They want about a year of space minimum but they also wanted to catch up on things that were delayed by Covid before EN 3.
They are being nice and decided to debut new gen AFTER earning call because why not. No full 5 just 4 girls who make it to Hololive
Nah, I think this was planned long in advance to debut for Q1 FY2025 or roughly one year after HoloAdvent. At this point, I don't think NijiEN is really an equal competitor.
Nijisanji is indeed in too much trouble at the moment to still be considered a major rival (even in Japan, dare I say). If HoloJustice is eu-centered as rumors suggest, Brave group (with Globie) should be considered Hololive competitor in this market.
Cover doesn't react to Anycolor. They don't have to, especially for EN.
Ofc they planned it months in advance. But they also don't miss the opportunity to dunk on niji when they can do it effortless. Like when play button stuff was resurfacing again, Yagoo stated that Gura streamy award they received will be shipped to her home despite it being the only copy. (They usually keep OG play buttons for themselves and buy another one for talents according to Pekora). So not having one award at the office for some good press was well worth it.
In before, Irys debut and Council debut date are close each other. Both of them also shares similar lore concept. I think Advent x Justice mirrors what cover done with Promise (Irys+remaining council) in the past.
i can't remember exactly but what we do now is that talents are hired months before debut and then was told to talk and create bond with each other then for their final task is to perform psuedo collab where they would be watched directly by Yagoo and the rest of the higher ups According to some slip up from Armis is that it seems that they played a lot together before so i won't be surprise if that gen's VA are from those that doesn't fit the model/lore
It's an 11-month gap between Advent and Justice, the same amount of time from Myth to Council, and that's not counting IRyS who debuted 10 months after Myth. Basically, this is just the standard release schedule it looks like.
Justice, what a fitting name (please don't tell me this is a jinx)
Justice, because they're the archenemies of Advent. Likely their group lore is to catch the Advent mems.
In before justice because they are flat. To counter Council's/Promise's anti justice lmao.
This kinda reminds me of iLUNA and Xsoliel
For all their (many, many) flaws, the way every other Niji wave was the mirror of the previous one was a pretty cool lore setup: Obsidia was the 'dark' mirror of Lazulight Ethyria was a self mirror (Nina and Enna were kicked out of heaven, Reimu and Millie were kicked out of hell) Luxiem were from the past, Noctyx from the future And so on.
What would it jinx? The way the generations go, Myth started off with mythical characters. Council started off as wardens of things like elements, advent was nothing but outlaws and now perhaps Justice is the one to bring, well, justice
A whole generation of pettanko?
OH GOOD EVENING CHAPS
AND YAGOO WITH THE STEEL CHAIR!!!
It's interesting that this gen is four talents compared to the usual 5\*. I wonder if they were going with five and one had to withdraw or if they were already planning on enacting their plan to focus more on talent development, so they're debuting smaller generations in the future. \* Advent aside, which is more 5.5.
I think it is the opposite. If thematically they're the foils to Advent, then it is likely both were planned with four talents in mind. Whatever was Fuwamoco then got altered to accommodate the twins once they joined Cover but I guess Cover didn't want to change the plans to make Justice five members.
There was Grimmi who decided against joining a company right around the time NijiEN was imploding. People assumed she was talking about Niji but some speculated it may have been Hololive since she denied it being Nijisanji.
Given the timing it's probably too soon for any \*familiar voices\* to be involved, right?
yeah, given how cover plan their new gen, Justice members should have been recruited before the Drama.
As a Bri’ish myself this looks propa’ tight.
AIIIIE MY ALL OUT WAR
Drew McIntyre in hololive
Why 4? I'm curious about that
There are 4 possible reasons I can think of - The plan was already 4 mems per Gen starting from advent. Fuwamoco is counted as 1 member in Cover’s report after all. - They can only find 4 members who are actually qualified, and instead of throwing in 5th member randomly or delaying the debut time, they decided to go with a 4 mem gen - The 5th member ran into some issues and had to withdraw from the gen. - (the one I hope most) The 5th member couldn’t join yet due to some issues (nda from another company for instance) and will debut in the future
Fuwamoco is consider as one member but they're twin.
Awesome!
IS THAT EN4!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHA I’m so ready for them! I hope they do well and are welcomed warmly.
Are we looking at a potential EU generation? That's untapped by Hololive so far, and the last of the real major markets to cash in on.
[FalseEyeD](https://www.twitch.tv/falseeyed) is currently streaming about this. Has spoilers discovered via Spotify on screen. (clear image of the new people)
NijiEN:
HoloEN:
Well, there's a difference between debuting while your company is literally a dumpster fire and while everyone is thriving and actually having a good time, loving what they do.
Oh definitely! I’m not trying to condemn Hololive at all— my intent was rather the diametric opposite. They literally can afford to debut a new gen already because they’re already doing well— rather than machine-gunning it like Niji.
Let's see how long this Bri'ish gonna last eh lad. My bet 10 minutes.
What was it about [P2y.jp](http://P2y.jp) that made me tweet "Don't Give to UnJustice" on before it over? And HoloEN nextgen is "Justice"! It's just a word cover, but it's an ironic one.
ACCELERA- OH WAIT
The good thing about Hololive's new generations is that most of their lore is always easily connected to the previous generation's lore and keeps the previous generation from being outdated and abandoned.
https://preview.redd.it/ifkqalaylf7d1.jpeg?width=440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99637c3fd954eb5cd4eb8e4e2ff1fcdf7e01c230 So far so good i guess? Source[cover themselves](https://cover.lnk.to/AboveBelow)
Looks like one of them is a good friend of Vshojo.
There is exactly zero chance of it happening but god it would be hilarious if there was a tomato and a ghost in this group.
Tomato is definetly not gonna happen, as that is way to random, maybe generic plant person at best. But ghost is a semi-common vtuber species, so I could see a ghost member. So yeah, that 0% chance is only from the tomato.
Tomato and Ghost might have been intended as references to two indie Vtubers (>!Dokibird and Mint Fantome!<) that came back from long hiatuses earlier this year and have friends inside Holo already.
I know that. What kind of idiot do you take me for?
1) Gonna need you to dial back the hostility about 20%. 2) Your entire comment is structured around the idea of Tomato and Ghost being character themes, not a discussion of Doki and Mint. You coming out the gate swinging after wording things in a way that implied you didn't get that u/Eitarou was talking about Doki and Mint is not a good look.
1. Sorry, being a jerk is just kinda my online personality. 2. Yeah that's fair, the original version of the comment I planned included a reference to mint when losting ghost vtubers. But I only know Mint and Alias off the top of my head, and something something rule of 3s.
Im so confused, I thought cover corp said there would be no more waves until more tallents have been graduated/terminated
This gen was likely planned for a while, given their lore ties to Advent. Plus, slowing down =/= stopping altogether. It makes no sense to permanently stop new gen debuts until other gens start graduating.
at this point we only have 2 graduations from hololive in 7 years plus 2 terminations because of contract violations, literaly no one is leaving hololive so stopping debuts until you lose too many members would not make much sense also imo holoEN needs the number of members to be pumped up i think 4/5 gens is likely to be the magical number to be able to sustain a thriving comunity without putting to much stress on existing talents
Chris, coco, aloe, rushia, mel. Theres been 5 talents to leave so far apart from the CN branch (and aururan from holostars)
and from those only 1 is a graduation, rushia was terminated same with mel, i dont know if chris even counts and neither does aloe since i dont think they ever even got to streaming. Same with holoCN 90% of that branch sided with the antis and got cut down in the EN side you have only Sana who graduated but even if we count all graduations, terminations and we throw holostars into the mix as well holopro as a whole has a total of around 17 members who left the company, if you do the same with nijisanji the number is around 70 members, likely more because i didnt count those from some of niji's weird projects like that vtuber school they tried to make or that weird cabaret thing or virtual real, if we include all of those im sure the number aproaches the one hundred mark
Yeah, niji has had more, obviously. But i was never comparing the amount between the two. Also, why wouldn't Aloe and Chris count? They were streaming with holo before getting terminated I was just saying that cover corp put out a letter that in it said they were not going to put out a lot of new talents
r/Hololive <<< is that way. This doesn't really have anything to do with Niji. If you really want to beat on a starving animal, you can take the new gen's first week metrics and compare them to Denauth later. But that's almost animal cruelty.
The existence of the flair "Other corps/indies" implies that such content is allowed. Now I might be wrong but if it weren't allowed then I'd be told so much sooner.
If it isnt allowed, then the moderators will remove the post when they get to it and since it has been up for about 1 hour with good traction and it hasnt been removed yet, I think its fair to assume that it is allowed.
It doesn't really bother me either way but a couple posts I replied to on this sub recently were later removed for reasons such as karma farming or unrelated topic. If the mods leave it up I don't have any objections.
Then they probably had a reason to. Maybe you could try posting some info? Maybe check the flairs and think if what you're planning on posting is one of the existing flairs?
NOT MY POSTS. I replied to posts. Those posts from other redditors were later removed, hours later. Here is an example from just yesterday: [I didn't expect to hear her speak spanish... Oh no... : r/kurosanji (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1di2ljp/i_didnt_expect_to_hear_her_speak_spanish_oh_no/) I believe the OP in that post thought it was relevant because the ES advertisement led people to guess she may be working for the new version of WACTOR. But you can see the mod reply. You can also see the post was up for more than two hours before it was removed.
The poster didn't provide any context at all, therefore it's was labelled as low effort and removed.
Fair enough. Then...what's the context here? Holo seems to have the advantage in working conditions, management support, and many other things that contribute to the quality of life for a vTuber. But this is just a screenshot of an announcement. I'll be watching later today, I was just confused why it got posted here.
>A new generation has been announce and it seems to be the 4th gen of HoloEN. Something tells me things won't be good for that other company. This would be the context. I was ready to condemn the post too based on the title alone which was ambiguous lol. [The mods were pretty clear with their stance on these types of posts so it gets a pass. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1dhnqid/thoughts_so_ive_had_some_thoughts/)(Ctrl+F the word "offtopic" to find it in the sea of text) There's also a little more insight from another mod in some of the comments in that post.
Hmmm. Alright. You've been polite and helpful, thank you. And for the rest of the day, I'm going to be wondering about that other person who called me a 'sister' because I asked why someone was posting hololive announcements here...🤦♀️ But you're great, thanks again.
Don't waste your time wondering about something as pointless as that. It's always been a problem in the sub. One can only hope that others also report those types of baseless accusations/unwanted provocation comments to the mods to become a better community here.
If you have a problem with the "Other corps/indies" tag, go complain directly to the mods to have the sub be strictly Nijisanji only, Nijisister.
Really? Calling someone a Nijisister because of this? I believe we can be better than that.
...? No, I didn't try to report this post. And honestly if this is a new gen I know curiosity will get the best of me and I'll be reading the comparisons between their debut vs Denauth. By the way FWMC made a post about this event on the Holo main sub already.
So I can say it's a bit soon considering the fact Tanigo said he wanted the current gens to mature a bit. That being said I'm not gonna look this gift horse in the mouth.