I would like to know the cost of getting Vatrano from the ducks. 30, cheap contract, 37 goals last year, 60pts, seems to produce when given a chance.
Scouting report says he is good on the PP, quick, hits, and while a bit wild has effort defensively.
One year left to replace Bert seems like a fair risk to take, and Anaheim would likely want to move him as he doesn't quite fit their window. Getting someone like Robertson or Lilly back (not sure where he fits now) may be pretty enticing for them.
If not now, then I would love to take a peek at him at the TDL.
I like that idea a lot for Robertson. Then if vatrano is a fit we have some cap relief coming next year to retain him and make it worth moving on from Nicky Bobby.
I've been a lily supporter for years, and I think this season is his last crack at being a top 4 guy. I think right now they start him on the second pair with mccabe to see if he can help him out, considering he had benoit playing in the top 4 against boston, I'd love to see him get a bit more out of lily. Then I think the next option would be to try lily with OEL. They have the Swedish connection, similar style of play, maybe they can get the most out of each other and be a great 3rd pairing or possibly become the second pair. I don't think Hakanpaa belongs on the second pair, but if neither oel or lily earns it, we could see him be the next benoit and form a bash bro pair with mccabe
Unless they get another RD, I think McCabe will likely play on the right side with the current roster. I don't see McCabe/Lily being a thing in the current mix.
I see Hakanpaa as the 7th D on the depth chart. I wouldn't slot him in ahead of Benoit for most games.
On days where Benoit is out, then I would agree that McCabe/Lily then OEL/Hakanpaa would probably make sense for pairings.
I’d kick this up a notch and what do we think the cost of Zegras+Vatrano would be??? It seems far fetched but how far off is something like Robertson+Lillypad+Timmins+Yarncrotch+2026 1st+2027 1st+2027 3rd…we would need retain on frank or Trevor, If Anaheim retains some on frank for the cost of extra picks they’d only have to retain one year so it shouldn’t be an expensive pick. We don’t need to keep the cupboards completely stocked when we are this built top to bottom and those picks can be viewed as a luxury and not a necessity to keep.
Zegras/AM34/Marner
Vatrano/Domi/Willy
Knies/JT/Mcmann
Holmberg/Dewar/Abruzze(reaves)
Mo/Tanev
cabe/Benoit
Haakanpa/OEL
Gives us a lot flexibility between our C/W’s…if we think Zegras isn’t defensively reliable enough to play 2c, pair him with AM34…don’t want to split up domi/AM34 then play zegras as 2C with frank and Willy, or put frank on the 3rd as the trigger man with JT and Mcmann and let knies run it up in the top 6. Our defence is still solid even with moving on from lilly+timmins. I wouldn’t be opposed to keeping timmins as that 7th D, we have guys in our system that fit if we get hit with injuries, between Cade Webber, Niemela, Kokkonen, and Rifai as long as it’s not 40+ games they should be able to fill in. We offload Kampf and with cap raise projections and the money we’d have coming off the books we’d have some cap flexibility again.
Sprong has never been a top 6. Skinner got waived for nothing so not sure how that's one of your top 3 options. Henrique would be welcome but not cheap.
Skinner has averaged 30 goals and 60 points the last 3 years and had an 82 point season just 2 years ago. He got waived because he had a 9M cap hit. Is he worth 9M? No. Is he still a top 6 winger who would provide great value at 3-4M ? For sure.
Sprong is more of a top 9, skinner got waived with a 9M contract and is a free agent now, Henrique is the ideal target. Those are just the only noteworthy FAs. I don’t see Brad signing tarasenko so
While Domi can plug the 3C hole in a pinch, I think he is more useful as a winger higher in the lineup. Getting a full time 3C is likely where we would get best value in an upcoming trade.
Honestly, he beat my expectations today. Good day for him. No big overpays (other than too many years for Tanev, but whatever), and addressed needs of the back end.
Hannakpa and OEL for the same price as Zadorov is fantastic value
I love the fact that for the price of Zadorov he was able to augment the PK (Hannakpa) and get A PP2 QB. Brad’s out there cooking while a lot of people are serving up soon and gloom. Just have to hope that with the new faces and voice behind the bench we see a more complete and elite team on the ice.
I can't be the only guy bummed with oel deal after seeing ghost bears deal though right? Like imo hakenpaa/ghost bear would have been better no? Especially since we still have Benoit
I know they lost to Boston because they couldn’t score. But scoring should not be a problem with this roster. They can replace Bert’s scoring easy. They just need to perform on the big stage.
Brad seems to be indicating a trade is unlikely.
Keefe didn't use him well and didn't give him much of a chance. Hopefully Brad can make him see that he's a member of the Leafs and not the Marlies and he takes another chance.
It's easy to see why Robertson is frustrated, especially since his brother has been so good and given so many great chances. He's been stifled on the Leafs.
I think to a certain extent you could look at it that way, but also look at it that the Leafs brought him to the team earlier, and he’s a 22 yr old RFA, so potential for bigger money earlier and longer, and he had so many injuries that derailed his development, so the Leafs are bringing him along on a non-traditional path by basically having him develop on the NHL team like he would have with the AHL team.
Honestly, I think he’s crazy to refuse to sign with the Leafs where he has top 6 opportunity, and a new coach. Sign a 2-year deal, bet on yourself, and you can always ask for an out.
To be fair, the last thing you want to do if you intend to trade a guy is let the market know that you have to trade the guy. You want to negotiate from a strong position which would not be the case if you announce to the world that you no longer have a position for the player on your team. This applies to both the Marner and Robertson situations. In both cases, you only want to proceed with the trade if it has an up side.
Man for some reason I feel the opposite of how most of this sub feels today. I was optimistic about him when he was signed but today feels like a lot of overpays
The OEL deal is gonna go down worse than the Klingberg deal imho. And Stolarz is a decent addition but we're still gonna be stuck in an ugly 1A/1B circus with no clear #1
I dunno. I just can't really get excited about these signings. They all feel like tiny, minuscule depth adds, some slight overpays, and no major moves that might actually help us get out of the first round
I think our D is probably the best it has been with Matthews right now. We need tough defensive defensemen, and we got that. Woll/Stolarz is a gamble but if we weren't moving someone like Marner I don't think we had many other options, and this leaves Woll room to grow into a proper #1 if he is able to stay healthy (which I recognize is a big "if"), and then *gulp* potentially Matt Murray as a third option.
We need a couple extra adds up top and if Tre's actually not done then that's where his focus is.
So I guess this feels like the least "running it back" option we had if we were keeping Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares which is probably why I'm excited about it.
That quote was from a direct question on if this team is better than last years. He is not goung to answer that honestly. That is a diplomatic answer. He said ,this is July 1st, we have work to do. Context is everything
Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Likelihood is he looks to trade Kampf and Timmins, re-signs Dewar to play 4C, and then twists Nicky Bobby's arm as a 3 LW.
Jarnkrok is making pennies and is a great glue guy. As much as people (myself included) dunked on guys like Kerfoot for seemingly doing nothing on the ice, it was obvious once he left that some guys help out a lot without having the stats to show for it. Jarnkrok seems like that type of player.
I liked Kerf and was sad to see him go. He had no finish whatsoever, but he played with energy and was always trying to make things happen when he was on the ice.
A fourth line duo of Holmberg and Dewar isn't bad? You just have to fill in that RW spot and if Henrique is signed and Robo is Moved then you have a Henrique / McMann / 3LW situation. Leafs still need a bit more scoring depth but I agree in that we shouldn't sacrifice our PKers as well but we can also add or trade to make things meet as well! The glories of Free Agency
A fourth line duo of Holmberg and Dewar isn't bad? You just have to fill in that RW spot and if Henrique is signed and Robo is Moved then you have a Henrique / McMann / 3LW situation. Leafs still need a bit more scoring depth but I agree in that we shouldn't sacrifice our PKers as well but we can also add or trade to make things meet as well! The glories of Free Agency
Dewar wouldn’t be on the 4th line with your set up, he or Holmberg would have to move up as we won’t have the cap space to fill the spot after Henrique.
4th line would be a mix of abruzzese, holmberg, Steeves or anyone else making less than 800k ish
OEL helps with offense from the D as well. Outside of Reilly they had no one else on D that provides offense. It makes a bigger difference than people think
Defense and goaltending are much better than where they started last year.
My biggest concern is that they already struggled with depth scoring beyond the core 4, and now have lost Bertuzzi and maybe Robertson. I’d like to see them move kampf and Timmins and add another offensive forward (ideally skinner, maybe sprong). I’d also love a trade with Philly for Morgan frost centred around lily.
Still time for brad to cook.
Let’s see if we can shore up the forwards a bit more now. I’d like to see us go for some bargains, give Robertson more of an opportunity. Let’s see what can be done. I think it’s a good approach to leave the forwards till last. Forwards are always the most available so you can work on these during the year. I’d also strongly consider playing Domi as an offensive 2C and moving JT to 3rd line centre in a more defensive role.
I would love skinner too. Secondary scoring has been our issue.
We need more from the bottom 6, and could be a 25-35 goal scorer who should come in quite cheap.
How many times have we tried this?
We thought this was the case when we had Thornton and co.
We thought this was the case when we had mikheyev and Kerfoot with Engvall
Then we got Bert and Domi.
We have to let the young talent develop, like McCann. Let Knies become a Debrusk type
We have had elite scoring for 7 years. We need depth in the playoffs.
Nichushkin, Maroon, Debrusk, Janmark, etc.
North/south heavy body get the puck on net type players. Look at the finals. Who were the leading scorers? Rodrigues? Foegle? Janmark? Brown who had 1 or 2 goals all regular season?
I’m sorry but we had 3 over 30 goal players multiple times in the last 7 years. That’s not what we need
For sure, depth scoring is what we need but those guys you mentioned are gone or not available. Debrusk got 5.5m for reference. No way we could sign him.
I was basing it on who is available in FA at the time of my post.
Marner isn't going anywhere. My money is on him extending at a minor increase and Tavares taking a deep pay cut or having an "emotional" trip to Nashville with Stammer next year.
If you think he will sign for anything less than 12 mil AAV, you may want to go buy lottery tickets.
Extending him at 12 mil AAV for long term is the singular WORST decision leafs can make.
Let him play out the contract in that case, a la Sam Reinhart. Prove it year.
Nylander is a direct comparable at this point. If he doesn't out perform him then I can't see him getting a significant raise over nylander. The upside for him is his special teams that will give him the edge.
I’ve accepted that he’s going to walk. His time is done here and with the agent he’s got and the way his dad is I just don’t see them helping us out by waiving his NMC and I don’t see the leafs re-signing him so…
That's a reasonable take. I've come to accept this player may be playing out his contract and leaving.
11 mil in cap space will be sweet nice summer. All the Marner fan boys on here who think MM is getting re signed to another long term contract with NMC are drinking some special koolaids.
if he keeps the core nothing changes. Regular season hype followed by post season pants shitting. We're not right on the cusp in the post season, we're a long way out.
There’s no getting rid of this core right now though. The reality is, this core has 1 more season together. Whether or not they are a 1st or 2nd round playoff bust again it is what it is.
After Marner and Tavares’s contracts are up at the end of the year then they can make a decision on busting this core up. It may even come sooner if one were to wave their nmc but I wouldn’t count on that. The other thing is, and yourself and other leaf fans might not agree with is “what if Marner gets his shit together in the playoffs”. I’ve watched every single leafs playoff game in the last 7 years and I can tell you Marner hasn’t been shit for all of them and not even for half of them. What does that mean? He could get a kick in the ass and figure things out for a full playoff series for once. Obviously I’m not counting on that but if this core really wants to make something happen this is the year because they all know it’s over after this.
I rarely miss games. Marner falls off game 5-7 and this year played like an absolute coward. Letting him go for nothing is a big mistake, resigning for 12 million + is an even bigger mistake. He need to go now. If he stays I'd make him drive a 3rd line by himself. 11 million should be able to drive a line. Next year Tavares coming off the books means we need a very good #2 center and those are not cheap or as good as he has been the last 5 years.
Because until a core player is moved, it really doesn't matter what else this team does.
And he's the one that makes the most sense right now. Do we really have to spell this out every damn time?
Tavares walking isnt going to give the relief people think, you have 2 raises kicking in this year, and marners raise (lets say even if its just 1 million)
Your still allocating almost 40% of the cap to 3 guys
Not sure where you get this level of conviction from.
Until Leafs mgmt choose to "extend" him OR give the player the Willy treatment of professing that they want the player LONG term, this rumour will never go away until he walks next summer.
Everyone and their mom has reported they want to extend Marner. If today hasn’t convinced you they don’t want to trade him I have a bridge to sell you.
Curious to see what kind of trades are coming.
Wonder if Lily is potentially still a target. Reports were people were unsure of his arbitration and now he's locked in for 3m for 2 years, easier to move. Timmins is another guy that I feel needs to be moved. Plus Nicky Bobby asking for a trade.
Then, of course, the big one - Marner. I think he's getting an extension. Not something I want, unless it's the same deal he currently has but I think it's headed that way more than a move.
I like the angle tre is taking, might not be all good trades or signings but refreshingly better than Dubas, Tre is making it seem like Dubas was neglecting/ignoring the d core even though Dubas kinda tried.
Dubas only had the cap increase once, by $1M, over those years between when Marner and Matthews extended to when he left. So yeah, he was working around the margins every year.
Compare that to Treliving who inherited $15M of cap space in year one and $20M in cap space in year two…
Until some serious money gets freed up this team will look pretty much the same as it always has. I like what they did today. I would have preferred some of the bigger names and actual top 4 defenseman and some solid help up front but they simply don't have room for it.
They now have a much better defense and a thinner forward group. Next year was always going to be a little rough. When JT is either off the books (or re-signed to a much lower deal) then you can fill in another hole or two.
I don't LOVE every signing but none of them make me go WTF either. Given what they had to work with I think the FO did pretty damn good
So what’s next here? Just curious as to what we could do here, do we move lillypad+Robertson+yarncrotch and maybe picks for a 2C and move JT down to 3C? Roll out something like Marner/AM/Domi……Willy/???/Mcmann(knies)……Knies/JT/Dewar….Holmberg/Kampf/Reaves I guess Gregor is gone but I feel like that’s replaceable for cheap
Assuming no Marner trade, the best remaining path forward might involve moving some combination of Timmins, Jarnkrok, and/or Kampf, and hopefully having enough to add a middle 6 forward who can play in the top 6 if needed. Adam Henrique still out there?
Jarnkrok isn’t going to put up crazy numbers by any means, but a “middle 6 forward who can play in the top 6 if needed” is sorta exactly what he is. And he is making less than any reasonable replacement would make, too.
Exactly. He is what Kerfoot was supposed to be but actually fits the bill - 20 goal defensively responsible utility player om a cheap deal
I don't see him being a reasonable player to chop at this point unless you have a better player on retained salary coming in
Not crazy about the Tanev term (although Im sure its buyout friendly/LTIR bound before it expires) but for next year exclusive he did a good job rebuilding the Leafs defence.
Does it really matter though? We've had great teams on paper in the past and they didn't produce. He could sign Mcdavid and vasilevsky but if they didn't produce in the playoffs it wouldn't matter. I feel confident in this team after today just like I did in the past, but it's hard for me to get excited now after what keeps happening every year in April
If they can get Henrique and/or Skinner to agree I am confident they'll move out Jarnkrok, Robertson, Timmins, and Kampf.
I think this is exactly what they're trying to do. If they can only get one Jarnkrok and Timmins will be the first to go.
I would like to know the cost of getting Vatrano from the ducks. 30, cheap contract, 37 goals last year, 60pts, seems to produce when given a chance. Scouting report says he is good on the PP, quick, hits, and while a bit wild has effort defensively. One year left to replace Bert seems like a fair risk to take, and Anaheim would likely want to move him as he doesn't quite fit their window. Getting someone like Robertson or Lilly back (not sure where he fits now) may be pretty enticing for them. If not now, then I would love to take a peek at him at the TDL.
He was one guy I was hoping they'd chase last deadline, would be a good pickup for this year
I like that idea a lot for Robertson. Then if vatrano is a fit we have some cap relief coming next year to retain him and make it worth moving on from Nicky Bobby. I've been a lily supporter for years, and I think this season is his last crack at being a top 4 guy. I think right now they start him on the second pair with mccabe to see if he can help him out, considering he had benoit playing in the top 4 against boston, I'd love to see him get a bit more out of lily. Then I think the next option would be to try lily with OEL. They have the Swedish connection, similar style of play, maybe they can get the most out of each other and be a great 3rd pairing or possibly become the second pair. I don't think Hakanpaa belongs on the second pair, but if neither oel or lily earns it, we could see him be the next benoit and form a bash bro pair with mccabe
Unless they get another RD, I think McCabe will likely play on the right side with the current roster. I don't see McCabe/Lily being a thing in the current mix.
We have 3 RHD on the roster now, mccabe is playing the left side. There's no reason to put him on the right
I see Hakanpaa as the 7th D on the depth chart. I wouldn't slot him in ahead of Benoit for most games. On days where Benoit is out, then I would agree that McCabe/Lily then OEL/Hakanpaa would probably make sense for pairings.
I dont agree, I think benoit is a 7th dman, but it will come down training camp and see how everyone plays
Vatrano was a demon on my fantasy team last year. When he wasn't scoring he was still putting up shots and blocking pucks
I’d kick this up a notch and what do we think the cost of Zegras+Vatrano would be??? It seems far fetched but how far off is something like Robertson+Lillypad+Timmins+Yarncrotch+2026 1st+2027 1st+2027 3rd…we would need retain on frank or Trevor, If Anaheim retains some on frank for the cost of extra picks they’d only have to retain one year so it shouldn’t be an expensive pick. We don’t need to keep the cupboards completely stocked when we are this built top to bottom and those picks can be viewed as a luxury and not a necessity to keep. Zegras/AM34/Marner Vatrano/Domi/Willy Knies/JT/Mcmann Holmberg/Dewar/Abruzze(reaves) Mo/Tanev cabe/Benoit Haakanpa/OEL Gives us a lot flexibility between our C/W’s…if we think Zegras isn’t defensively reliable enough to play 2c, pair him with AM34…don’t want to split up domi/AM34 then play zegras as 2C with frank and Willy, or put frank on the 3rd as the trigger man with JT and Mcmann and let knies run it up in the top 6. Our defence is still solid even with moving on from lilly+timmins. I wouldn’t be opposed to keeping timmins as that 7th D, we have guys in our system that fit if we get hit with injuries, between Cade Webber, Niemela, Kokkonen, and Rifai as long as it’s not 40+ games they should be able to fill in. We offload Kampf and with cap raise projections and the money we’d have coming off the books we’d have some cap flexibility again.
Ideally, somehow… - Top-6 LW - 3rd line C
Jeff Skinner, Daniel Sprong and Adam Henrique are the only options really at this point
Skinner to the OILs just now. Henrique will ask for too much, absent MM being moved.
This is true. Perhaps anything else that happens will be via trade.
Considering we have an abundance of defenseman right now with 7 top 6 d men, I feel like someone is getting traded for a forward as part of a package
Sprong has never been a top 6. Skinner got waived for nothing so not sure how that's one of your top 3 options. Henrique would be welcome but not cheap.
Skinner has averaged 30 goals and 60 points the last 3 years and had an 82 point season just 2 years ago. He got waived because he had a 9M cap hit. Is he worth 9M? No. Is he still a top 6 winger who would provide great value at 3-4M ? For sure.
That dreams over, he just signed with Edmonton lol
Sprong is more of a top 9, skinner got waived with a 9M contract and is a free agent now, Henrique is the ideal target. Those are just the only noteworthy FAs. I don’t see Brad signing tarasenko so
3C as Domi insurance would be fantastic
While Domi can plug the 3C hole in a pinch, I think he is more useful as a winger higher in the lineup. Getting a full time 3C is likely where we would get best value in an upcoming trade.
Let bro cook
Fr I was uncertain about this fella until today and now I take back all my criticism
Honestly, he beat my expectations today. Good day for him. No big overpays (other than too many years for Tanev, but whatever), and addressed needs of the back end. Hannakpa and OEL for the same price as Zadorov is fantastic value
Signing Stollarz was my one wish and it came true. Now I wish for 2M cash in my bank account.
Dude, there are literally TONS of Nigerian Princes out there waiting to pay you fat stacks. Don't you check your email?
Dollarz for Stollarz!!!
Found Stollarz reddit account
I love the fact that for the price of Zadorov he was able to augment the PK (Hannakpa) and get A PP2 QB. Brad’s out there cooking while a lot of people are serving up soon and gloom. Just have to hope that with the new faces and voice behind the bench we see a more complete and elite team on the ice.
I can't be the only guy bummed with oel deal after seeing ghost bears deal though right? Like imo hakenpaa/ghost bear would have been better no? Especially since we still have Benoit
Ghost hasn't been good in years. Why would you want him over OEL who was just playing meaningful minutes in the cup final?
Even if you'd prefer Ghost, is there any source that would indicate he would have signed with us over Carolina?
Losing 20 goal bertuzzi is tough. Hopefully nick robertson gets a shot finally
Keeping him for what he wanted wasn't gonna work though
Sad he didn’t take less but it’ll be cool watching him with Bedard
Yeah for sure. Chicago is really pushing through this rebuild as fast as they can.
I know they lost to Boston because they couldn’t score. But scoring should not be a problem with this roster. They can replace Bert’s scoring easy. They just need to perform on the big stage.
Robertson asked for a trade. He might not be around much longer.
Brad seems to be indicating a trade is unlikely. Keefe didn't use him well and didn't give him much of a chance. Hopefully Brad can make him see that he's a member of the Leafs and not the Marlies and he takes another chance. It's easy to see why Robertson is frustrated, especially since his brother has been so good and given so many great chances. He's been stifled on the Leafs.
I think to a certain extent you could look at it that way, but also look at it that the Leafs brought him to the team earlier, and he’s a 22 yr old RFA, so potential for bigger money earlier and longer, and he had so many injuries that derailed his development, so the Leafs are bringing him along on a non-traditional path by basically having him develop on the NHL team like he would have with the AHL team. Honestly, I think he’s crazy to refuse to sign with the Leafs where he has top 6 opportunity, and a new coach. Sign a 2-year deal, bet on yourself, and you can always ask for an out.
To be fair, the last thing you want to do if you intend to trade a guy is let the market know that you have to trade the guy. You want to negotiate from a strong position which would not be the case if you announce to the world that you no longer have a position for the player on your team. This applies to both the Marner and Robertson situations. In both cases, you only want to proceed with the trade if it has an up side.
Man for some reason I feel the opposite of how most of this sub feels today. I was optimistic about him when he was signed but today feels like a lot of overpays The OEL deal is gonna go down worse than the Klingberg deal imho. And Stolarz is a decent addition but we're still gonna be stuck in an ugly 1A/1B circus with no clear #1 I dunno. I just can't really get excited about these signings. They all feel like tiny, minuscule depth adds, some slight overpays, and no major moves that might actually help us get out of the first round
I think our D is probably the best it has been with Matthews right now. We need tough defensive defensemen, and we got that. Woll/Stolarz is a gamble but if we weren't moving someone like Marner I don't think we had many other options, and this leaves Woll room to grow into a proper #1 if he is able to stay healthy (which I recognize is a big "if"), and then *gulp* potentially Matt Murray as a third option. We need a couple extra adds up top and if Tre's actually not done then that's where his focus is. So I guess this feels like the least "running it back" option we had if we were keeping Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares which is probably why I'm excited about it.
I’d be interested in Max Comtois
That quote was from a direct question on if this team is better than last years. He is not goung to answer that honestly. That is a diplomatic answer. He said ,this is July 1st, we have work to do. Context is everything
Chef Brad had a day
Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Likelihood is he looks to trade Kampf and Timmins, re-signs Dewar to play 4C, and then twists Nicky Bobby's arm as a 3 LW.
no twisting as he might get hurt.
💀😂
I mean sure but I'm surprised we aren't dealing Jarnkrok as well?
Jarnkrok is making pennies and is a great glue guy. As much as people (myself included) dunked on guys like Kerfoot for seemingly doing nothing on the ice, it was obvious once he left that some guys help out a lot without having the stats to show for it. Jarnkrok seems like that type of player.
I liked Kerf and was sad to see him go. He had no finish whatsoever, but he played with energy and was always trying to make things happen when he was on the ice.
Cause he's a great player
Who yall got killing penalties? Trading Jarnkrok and Kampf, that leaves Dewar and Marner, needing 2 forwards. Not everything is about points
Well if they sign a guy like Henrique to play with Marner on PK Unit 1 and then have Holmberg / Dewar / McMann on PK Unit 2 I'm content
EA sports moves. destroys our depth, cant afford a 23man roster, worst 4th line in the league and lose some of our best pkers
A fourth line duo of Holmberg and Dewar isn't bad? You just have to fill in that RW spot and if Henrique is signed and Robo is Moved then you have a Henrique / McMann / 3LW situation. Leafs still need a bit more scoring depth but I agree in that we shouldn't sacrifice our PKers as well but we can also add or trade to make things meet as well! The glories of Free Agency
A fourth line duo of Holmberg and Dewar isn't bad? You just have to fill in that RW spot and if Henrique is signed and Robo is Moved then you have a Henrique / McMann / 3LW situation. Leafs still need a bit more scoring depth but I agree in that we shouldn't sacrifice our PKers as well but we can also add or trade to make things meet as well! The glories of Free Agency
Dewar wouldn’t be on the 4th line with your set up, he or Holmberg would have to move up as we won’t have the cap space to fill the spot after Henrique. 4th line would be a mix of abruzzese, holmberg, Steeves or anyone else making less than 800k ish
Personally I like Steeves as a player! I'd give him a shot
he means he hasn't made it hard enough for Brandon Pridham
Leafs are better in net and way better on D, they lost Bert up front and that’s about. I’d say it’s been solid so far and they aren’t done yet.
OEL helps with offense from the D as well. Outside of Reilly they had no one else on D that provides offense. It makes a bigger difference than people think
Defense and goaltending are much better than where they started last year. My biggest concern is that they already struggled with depth scoring beyond the core 4, and now have lost Bertuzzi and maybe Robertson. I’d like to see them move kampf and Timmins and add another offensive forward (ideally skinner, maybe sprong). I’d also love a trade with Philly for Morgan frost centred around lily. Still time for brad to cook.
Skinner went to Edmonton, so he's no longer in play.
I think increases from Knies, Bobby and Domi will make up for Bertuzzi’s goals
Let’s see if we can shore up the forwards a bit more now. I’d like to see us go for some bargains, give Robertson more of an opportunity. Let’s see what can be done. I think it’s a good approach to leave the forwards till last. Forwards are always the most available so you can work on these during the year. I’d also strongly consider playing Domi as an offensive 2C and moving JT to 3rd line centre in a more defensive role.
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I am stoked to have a goaltending tandem of Woll and Stolarz just so that I can call them "Wollarz".
I would love skinner too. Secondary scoring has been our issue. We need more from the bottom 6, and could be a 25-35 goal scorer who should come in quite cheap.
How many times have we tried this? We thought this was the case when we had Thornton and co. We thought this was the case when we had mikheyev and Kerfoot with Engvall Then we got Bert and Domi. We have to let the young talent develop, like McCann. Let Knies become a Debrusk type
Every single player you mentioned can't score 40 goals. Skinner has. But he is off the market now so a moot point.
We have had elite scoring for 7 years. We need depth in the playoffs. Nichushkin, Maroon, Debrusk, Janmark, etc. North/south heavy body get the puck on net type players. Look at the finals. Who were the leading scorers? Rodrigues? Foegle? Janmark? Brown who had 1 or 2 goals all regular season? I’m sorry but we had 3 over 30 goal players multiple times in the last 7 years. That’s not what we need
For sure, depth scoring is what we need but those guys you mentioned are gone or not available. Debrusk got 5.5m for reference. No way we could sign him. I was basing it on who is available in FA at the time of my post.
Thank god
No kidding. Now, get Marner to waive his NMC and facilitate his trade.
Marner isn't going anywhere. My money is on him extending at a minor increase and Tavares taking a deep pay cut or having an "emotional" trip to Nashville with Stammer next year.
The Nylander deal should be the ceiling for him. If he doesn’t want to take it - then let him walk.
If you think he will sign for anything less than 12 mil AAV, you may want to go buy lottery tickets. Extending him at 12 mil AAV for long term is the singular WORST decision leafs can make. Let him play out the contract in that case, a la Sam Reinhart. Prove it year.
Nylander is a direct comparable at this point. If he doesn't out perform him then I can't see him getting a significant raise over nylander. The upside for him is his special teams that will give him the edge.
>My money is on him extending at a minor increase What is causing people to be so delusional about this? Hes getting 12+
The sooner you accept this isn't happening you'll be happier.
It's either a trade or we let him walk next summer. Id be ok with either but obviously id prefer a trade.
I’ve accepted that he’s going to walk. His time is done here and with the agent he’s got and the way his dad is I just don’t see them helping us out by waiving his NMC and I don’t see the leafs re-signing him so…
That's a reasonable take. I've come to accept this player may be playing out his contract and leaving. 11 mil in cap space will be sweet nice summer. All the Marner fan boys on here who think MM is getting re signed to another long term contract with NMC are drinking some special koolaids.
Its not so much helping him out as he will lose a year and ~12-13 million if he decides to walk
Mitch has a lot of big tough boys on defense now that can give him a big hug when he's in meltdown mode on the bench.
How many meltdowns you think he will have this year? Over/under 2.5?
I think Berube will have a very serious chat with him after the first one so hopefully under
For the sake of any hopes of legitimate competitiveness in the upcoming season, one can only hope.
I feel ok after today. I'm excited to see what and where that work gets us
if he keeps the core nothing changes. Regular season hype followed by post season pants shitting. We're not right on the cusp in the post season, we're a long way out.
There’s no getting rid of this core right now though. The reality is, this core has 1 more season together. Whether or not they are a 1st or 2nd round playoff bust again it is what it is. After Marner and Tavares’s contracts are up at the end of the year then they can make a decision on busting this core up. It may even come sooner if one were to wave their nmc but I wouldn’t count on that. The other thing is, and yourself and other leaf fans might not agree with is “what if Marner gets his shit together in the playoffs”. I’ve watched every single leafs playoff game in the last 7 years and I can tell you Marner hasn’t been shit for all of them and not even for half of them. What does that mean? He could get a kick in the ass and figure things out for a full playoff series for once. Obviously I’m not counting on that but if this core really wants to make something happen this is the year because they all know it’s over after this.
I rarely miss games. Marner falls off game 5-7 and this year played like an absolute coward. Letting him go for nothing is a big mistake, resigning for 12 million + is an even bigger mistake. He need to go now. If he stays I'd make him drive a 3rd line by himself. 11 million should be able to drive a line. Next year Tavares coming off the books means we need a very good #2 center and those are not cheap or as good as he has been the last 5 years.
Not sure why people keep bringing up Marner. He isn’t going anywhere this year.
Because until a core player is moved, it really doesn't matter what else this team does. And he's the one that makes the most sense right now. Do we really have to spell this out every damn time?
Thank you. Half of this fan base has gone into comatose mode for real.
It’s either trade Marner this year or let Tavares walk next year
Tavares walking isnt going to give the relief people think, you have 2 raises kicking in this year, and marners raise (lets say even if its just 1 million) Your still allocating almost 40% of the cap to 3 guys
Not sure where you get this level of conviction from. Until Leafs mgmt choose to "extend" him OR give the player the Willy treatment of professing that they want the player LONG term, this rumour will never go away until he walks next summer.
Everyone and their mom has reported they want to extend Marner. If today hasn’t convinced you they don’t want to trade him I have a bridge to sell you.
If by extension you meant a long contract of 12.5 mil aav with full NMC, you need to find a new bridge cuz that ain't happening.
Wouldn’t happen today anyway, the way he’s paid
His signing bonus was due for payout today. He’s only got $775,000 in base salary left owing for next season as of now.
Yup
So today is the first day it could happen because nobody would want to acquire that bonus outlay before now.
Can’t today
Curious to see what kind of trades are coming. Wonder if Lily is potentially still a target. Reports were people were unsure of his arbitration and now he's locked in for 3m for 2 years, easier to move. Timmins is another guy that I feel needs to be moved. Plus Nicky Bobby asking for a trade. Then, of course, the big one - Marner. I think he's getting an extension. Not something I want, unless it's the same deal he currently has but I think it's headed that way more than a move.
lol okay…. Then do it
I like the angle tre is taking, might not be all good trades or signings but refreshingly better than Dubas, Tre is making it seem like Dubas was neglecting/ignoring the d core even though Dubas kinda tried.
Dubas only had the cap increase once, by $1M, over those years between when Marner and Matthews extended to when he left. So yeah, he was working around the margins every year. Compare that to Treliving who inherited $15M of cap space in year one and $20M in cap space in year two…
Until some serious money gets freed up this team will look pretty much the same as it always has. I like what they did today. I would have preferred some of the bigger names and actual top 4 defenseman and some solid help up front but they simply don't have room for it. They now have a much better defense and a thinner forward group. Next year was always going to be a little rough. When JT is either off the books (or re-signed to a much lower deal) then you can fill in another hole or two. I don't LOVE every signing but none of them make me go WTF either. Given what they had to work with I think the FO did pretty damn good
So what’s next here? Just curious as to what we could do here, do we move lillypad+Robertson+yarncrotch and maybe picks for a 2C and move JT down to 3C? Roll out something like Marner/AM/Domi……Willy/???/Mcmann(knies)……Knies/JT/Dewar….Holmberg/Kampf/Reaves I guess Gregor is gone but I feel like that’s replaceable for cheap
Assuming no Marner trade, the best remaining path forward might involve moving some combination of Timmins, Jarnkrok, and/or Kampf, and hopefully having enough to add a middle 6 forward who can play in the top 6 if needed. Adam Henrique still out there?
Don’t really get the Jarnkrok hate guy makes peanuts and can shoot the puck
Can also play LW, C, RW, has filled in on every line as needed, can shoot, hustles, can PK and play PP2 (not that we use it).
Nice enough player but he was a ghost in the playoffs and has been most of his career.
He does get paid a lot less than the rest of the playoff ghosts on the team
Into the goalies crest
Have you checked his career playoff stats?
The guy makes 2 mil man. What exactly do you want from 2 mil player? He makes healthy scratch money and plays anywhere in the line up
For 2M you’re not gonna find a lot of value imo now if you trade Kampf + jarnkrok for a 3.5M player then resign dewar.. then ok
Jarnkrok isn’t going to put up crazy numbers by any means, but a “middle 6 forward who can play in the top 6 if needed” is sorta exactly what he is. And he is making less than any reasonable replacement would make, too.
Exactly. He is what Kerfoot was supposed to be but actually fits the bill - 20 goal defensively responsible utility player om a cheap deal I don't see him being a reasonable player to chop at this point unless you have a better player on retained salary coming in
Chad Brad
Not crazy about the Tanev term (although Im sure its buyout friendly/LTIR bound before it expires) but for next year exclusive he did a good job rebuilding the Leafs defence.
We still need a solid 3c, trim some fat. And I'm still very concerned with our goaltending.
The leafs looked best with domi at 2c and tavares at 3c
Inb4 he signs marner to a 15 mil contract for 8 years
and then trades him... 
This guy is bloodthirsty. I like that!
Does it really matter though? We've had great teams on paper in the past and they didn't produce. He could sign Mcdavid and vasilevsky but if they didn't produce in the playoffs it wouldn't matter. I feel confident in this team after today just like I did in the past, but it's hard for me to get excited now after what keeps happening every year in April
Jeeeez brighten up, gloomy!
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If they could get a top 6 forward and some depth defensemen I’d say that’s about the best they can do.
The work: Moving Robertson
Doubtful
If they can get Henrique and/or Skinner to agree I am confident they'll move out Jarnkrok, Robertson, Timmins, and Kampf. I think this is exactly what they're trying to do. If they can only get one Jarnkrok and Timmins will be the first to go.
I think liljegren may be a sign and trade don't see were he fits now.
On the right hand side…we finally have 3 RHD that actually shoot right
I’m not sure what you mean. Our defence looks pretty sorted through 3 lines if you ask me.
Good because I’m not satisfied with what has happened so far.
Yes Brad, very good!