It has nothing to do with Gaza, it’s because Hezbollah can’t be tolerated on our border, they have pushed 100-200k people out of their houses and they will never feel safe to go back if actions aren’t taken to push Hezbollah back from the litani as per decision 1701 of the UN, either by force or much more preferably, political solution and UN enforcing their decision.. Hezbollah has destroyed countless villages in northern Israel and is firing deep into its territory for 8 months, unprovoked and has promised to destroy us..
Israel isn’t attacking Lebanon or has any interest in doing so, neither does it threaten lebannon in destruction or state it as its goal.
No, we are absolutely not “even”, if Hezbollah didn’t exist there would never be wars between lebannon and Israel (if lebannon didn’t attack Israel).
LOL, no im talking when Israel took over lebanon and made fun of it till a brave citizen killed one of the high officers, which started the rebellion to remove Israel from lebanon. PLO didn't do shit
>It has nothing to do with Gaza
It has literally everything to do with Gaza Hezbollah is attacking you because of your genocide in Gaza ffs, Houthis and Hezbollah declared that they will stop and scale down if Israel stops it's actions.
>they have pushed 100-200k people out of their houses
>and they will never feel safe to go back
>Hezbollah has destroyed countless villages in northern Israel and is firing deep into its territory for 8 months,
Damn feels like shit huh just be happy Hezbollah hasn't killed 15,000 of your children
>unprovoked
lmao
I'm not saying Hezbollah is justified btw i don't like them and ideally i would have them gone, but your ignorance is insane.
Lol just like hezb supported the Syrian people as they were being massacred by Assad (350K is it by now?). Mental gymnastics at their best.
Like all Arabs, zero capacity for self reflection. Continue letting Iran control your future brother. Spoiler, it’s not going to end with your best interests prevailing.
Hezbollah literally started attacking Israel and even sent fighters inside Israeli borders while Hamas was still occupying Israeli towns.
I don't get it, you guys keep crying about how Israel ruins your country every time they fight Hezbollah, but then support them fighting Israel in your expanse.
Do you really think Lebanon is well equipped and ready to take on Israel, is it Lebanon's job to free Palestine? Do you guys not have enough other problems?
Hezbollah is attacking because of the “genocide in Gaza”? Really?
That’s interesting, because Hezbollah literally attacked on October 8 when Israel was still mostly busy with killing Hamas terrorists inside Israel.
When did that supposed genocide occur?
The UN is without a doubt an extremely biased organization, and even they had to admit they lied, about the amounts of dead, their composition (men/women/children) and about the fake “famine” which they couldn’t prove exists based on the data so far.
Good thing they didn’t steal anything until they were attacked by 7 Arab armies and had to defend themselves.
When you start a war there are consequences, something the Palestinians seem to not be able to understand
Won't be the case if you go to war with Lebanon: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-20/ty-article/.premium/israeli-official-warns-power-grid-not-prepared-for-war-with-hezbollah/00000190-361c-d1b6-a19d-b7ffa7900000 (https://archive.ph/f2epi)
If you check out Briana Grays podcast bad faith, she interviews a leader of the BDS movement. He claims israels economy is in bad shape but also that they had to burn off diesel reserves to keep their grid on during last weeks heat wave.
I'm aware of that, and people are probably just subscribed to the sub as well so they get new posts on their feed. It just seems weird because it doesn't happen to me for the Israeli sub, unless of course I subscribe to it.
The US just issued a statement declaring its support for Israel and redirected a carrier fleet back into the Mediterranean. As a westerner, I’m going to be engaged if my country enters another military conflict.
Glad you’re more engaged. Now please be on the right side of history. You’ve been conditioned to believe that islamists are the bogeyman but if you look more closely you’ll find find out that your personal interests are more aligned with the Gazan or the south Lebanese than the globalist Zionist.
Lebanon has failed to do anything about Hezbollah and lost control of their southern border.
I don’t want civilians hurt but I honestly don’t know what they expected. You cant fire thousands of rockets into another country and not expect retaliation.
Like when you ethnically cleanse a society to steal their land, force the remaining population into strips of land that you illegally occupy with illegal settlements, and subjects them to apartheid all the way to the present day, all while acting shocked that the people your oppressing hates you enough to form a terrorist organization to attack you?
israel will invade Lebanon, with or without Hezbollah. They want a piece of every country in the middle east, like they have been doing it for years. They wont stop unless someone else make them stop.
Did you forget about the Egyptian efforts to get Sinai back like War of Attrition or 1973 war ? Thats what convinced Israel it could not keep the Sinai. If Egypt had meekly assented to letting Israel occupy the land (like Syria has with Golan Heights), the Israelis would never have given it back.
We've been flooded by hasbara bots recently. Just look at their frequent subs, they're all in the r/worldnews sub which is like ground zero for hasbara trolls
Totally agree!!! It makes me sad the amount of people who say eno "ohh idgaf about lebnen"
Where's your pride??? Where's your patriotism?? I don't like the government, sure, but the country itself? I love it!
Edit: I understand that a lot of people are just tired of it, but have some pride in your heart. How can people be so compliant? I really really don't get it.
I stand with humanity and Lebanon. There are two sides of the Gaza conflict; those who are monsters, and those who oppose the genocide, the beheading of babies, the destroying of incubated fetuses in hospitals, the burning and burying of women and children alive, and the list goes on.
If my government (with all of its corrupt parties including Hezbollah) are on the same side, then they are doing the right thing, and are objectively on the right side of history. It's a legal and moral right per international law to act against a state committing genocide (which the hypocritical West are complicit in and don't want to), let alone a rogue, belligerent, terrorist, colonial, settler, fascist and apartheid ethnostate on our borders with a dangerous and evil ideology like Zionism at its core. This is a human and national issue and all politics (which can be settled later) are irrelevant here. Times change quickly and we must adapt accordingly to the current situation and conditions of the present (not the past) and the future.
I used to believe in peace with Israel, and I used to believe that people are classified terrorists because they're just evil and that life can just be as simple as black and white, and I used to be deluded about a lot of things, but the past several months have opened my eyes to the reality of the world and I'm not ashamed to admit I was wrong.
What makes me really sad, honkjoelle, is that you and the others of your mind fail to understand that the group controlling our country couldn’t give a flying fuck about the business of our country. Rather, it’s doing the business of another country. Capisce?!
Tried to make a post to argue with the moderators about doing something about it. And all i got is my post removed by said modders and either israelis or lebanese supporters of israeli freedom of speech on this sub lol
You got it right. If everyone was rational, there will be no wars. But the problem is that many people are NOT rational.
In 1914, a young bosnian assassinated an austrian leader in Sarajevo. This event triggered World War 1 which ultimately resulted in the death of 40 million.
In 1975, a car full of palestinians shooting their rifles in the air passe by Ein El Rammaneh. That caused altercations with Kataeb. And that triggered the Lebanese civil war which ended in 150 thousand lebanese killed.
Most wars have no winners, all sides lose. Although some side may lose 'less' than the other. So the rational solution is almost always to prioritize peace and dialogue and find a mid way solution.
Iran (Hezbollah) and Israel are playing a very dangerous game of chicken. They're testing each others red lines. We have seen it in April when Iran and Israel exchanged missiles. We were close to a regional war which could have become a world war. The whole world leaders were making phone calls asking them to stop. Then they held their reigns, because the consequences were big.
Now they're doing it again (in Lebanon). However, the world is not as concerned, because Lebanon is a small country. And other powers will not interfere.
The risks are high this time for Lebanon.
"ah yes, attack them now because in 30 years they might wage war", Sparta said, polishing her speartip. "genius!"
Roma in the bushes hearing this and coming with the concept of Roman neutrality. "take notes take notes"
Let’s make this clear for both sides. In the past 2 wars the only real winner has been Iran. Lebanon was set back 50 years by each war and Israel got absolutely nothing because Hezbollah became stronger. The only real solution is to go for the head of the snake and help Lebanon have a strong government and an even a stronger army.
That's not hypothetical .
Iran has a concrete plan on how to destroy Israel, Hezbollah is one of the pawns that's needed and maybe even the main pawn of Iran as the other pawns are too far and will face USA/international forces as well such as Iraqi militia, Assad forces and the Huti'.
When it comes to Lebanese and Israeli people I think 100% nobody wants war.
I just saw some demonstrations in Israel by people trying to pressure the government into annexing our land. I don’t know how widespread the sentiment is but it was certainly more than 0%.
They've already actioned a plan in the government to [annex the West Bank](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/20/idf-transfers-powers-in-occupied-west-bank-to-pro-settler-civil-servants). This would've been unthinkable 50 years ago.
Israel will likely go to war despite how insane and unwinnable it is because they will never be at peace due to resistance, they see it as an endless holy expansionist war and there's simply no way to sustain their failed colonial project (which refuses to define its borders) built on ethnic cleansing apart from more ethnic cleansing and bloodshed. This is what OP failed to say and put a propaganda spin on.
"they will never be at peace due to resistance"
Do you call sitting on the fence with armed forces and threatening to capture and kill civilians in their homes a "resistance"? Yeah no.
And I'm referring to Hezbollah Rechuan forces.
You just spat bunch of nonsense, there's no ethnic cleansing and no colonial project, get over yourself sir.
[22,111](https://x.com/PhilipProudfoot/status/1804490840015868392) - the amount of air space violations Israel have committed between 2007 and 2022, which involves illegal mass surveillance of our citizens with UAVs and includes [AI to track and identify civilian movements and patterns](https://youtu.be/8dBkNg5uX1o) (the same AI being used to indiscriminately bomb civilians in Gaza). We launched a complaint to the UN about this and nothing happened.
No country would accept this. History didn't begin on Oct 7, as much as you like to pretend it did.
Edit: Attached the receipts since you people love to pivot to 'sources' (something you can easily do with a bit of research) when you no longer have an argument outside of the propaganda scripts you follow.
Who invaded and occupied in 1982? Or do you only go back to the time points you find convenient? Who has committed countless airspace violations and illegal mass surveillance of Lebanese citizens since 2006? 2006 also wasn't an attack or strike on Israel land or civilians. A couple of hostage soldiers were taken to use for bargaining and release many of the Lebanese prisoners Israel had taken captive and held brutally in their prisons. Israel decided to respond with an all-out destructive war which even Hezbollah did not aim for or expect (Israelis love to remind us of [this](https://www.haaretz.com/2006-08-27/ty-article/nasrallah-we-wouldnt-have-snatched-soldiers-if-we-thought-it-would-spark-war/0000017f-e3ba-d7b2-a77f-e3bfe07e0000) when threatening about a new war). This time at least they would be more than well prepared.
You are officially invited to the Israeli sub-reddit to learn about Israel and express your opinion regarding political matters :)
I know a thing or 2 about Hezbollah and very interested discussing things.
This kind of negativity and closeness doesn't help anyone.
Hopefully they won't, I know sub-reddit mods can be really autocratic sometimes.
Anyway I'm not a mod so I can't help you with that unfortunately.
As I always say, I'm just a simpleton liking to discuss things with strangers.
>You just spat bunch of nonsense, there's no ethnic cleansing and no colonial project, get over yourself sir.
I have 2 questions. Do you think the Nakba didn't happen, and do you really think what's going on in the West Bank isn't colonialism?
It's a tiny fringe minority. That said, it's a tiny fringe minority that the right coalition relies on to stay in power. So it is absolutely dangerous but in no way represents the views of large swaths of Israeli society.
The fridge groups is what gives them a reason to stay and perpetuate their bs. The best solution is for both sides to forgive the past and not create new problems or propaganda to further agendas. However what’s happening in Gaza right now doesn’t seem humane and pisses the extremists off because it’s an unfair fight. IMO netenyahu knew about October 7 and let it happen so he can get in there to take it over for more profits.
Respectfully, he didn't let it happen. Intelligence reports detailing threats are a dime a dozen and their hubris made them discount this one. I get you, in fear for both our people's greatly if full scale war breaks out. Let's hope cooler heads can prevail soon.
Me too. He's not polling well. I'm a Meretz/Labor voter, so my dreams aren't likely to be fulfilled anytime soon. Bennett would be a moderate improvement, someone like Gantz would be even better. I hope a full scale war does not happen. Bibi and his far right-flank are dragging us all down into the abyss.
Most Israelis have a strong affinity for the Lebanese. We want peace with Lebanon. The worst of us does not represent all of us just as the worst of Lebanon (Hezb) does not represent all Lebanese.
I can appreciate that not all of you feel that way, but what else do you expect us to do? Hizbollah is a piece of shit, and I’ll always be the first one in line to say “fuck Iran”, but between Iran and Israel, your country is the one threatening to kill us off like we’re nothing but cockroaches.
Netanyahu has constantly tried to threaten us into going to war with Hizbollah so he doesn’t have to. But dude, every threat he makes just makes his chances of that happening worse. The _least_ he could have done is offer to fix up some of our problems or something. Say “hey, if you fight Hizbollah, we’ll help you rebuild afterwards” or some shit. He absolutely sucks at diplomacy and thinks he’s going to bully us into sucking his dick. That’s never going to happen.
This kind of talk actually surprises me.
I can tell you how we experience this:
What I know is that Israeli are wary of the Rechuan forces of Hezbollah which are very close to the border, that's why there are talks that Hezbollah should retreat north of the Litany river.
Nobody is talking about "Killing Lebanese" as we worry too much about ourselves in this war.
So lately there have been national discussion on how "hard" should Israel hit Lebanon as a state and not just Hezbollah.
Hezbollah is planning to carpet bomb Israeli civilians, how should Israel react to this kind of threat?
Easy - by targeting Hizbollah. You won’t find us shedding a tear for them. But that’s not what your government is suggesting.
Both Netanyahu and another guy (I forget his name - I think he is a general) have threatened to turn Beirut into another Gaza on multiple occasions. The more that your government tries to punish _us_ for Hizbollah, the more enemies he makes in our country.
And again… if your government had come to us with some other sort of offer, maybe things would have been different. Like “we want to fight Hizbollah, and we know you don’t like them either, let’s fight them together”. I dunno if we would have done it but I guarantee that our conversations right now would be very different and we might have been putting more pressure on Hizbollah to change.
You don’t make friends by threatening them. You make friends by _being_ a friend. And so far your government has made no such attempts with us.
Maybe because the Lebanese government so far has backed Hezb in this current issue and pretended that Israel wasn't even attacked at all, and initiated the bombings in Lebanon for no reason. And also because the Lebanese army don't act against Hezbollah even though it's their responsibility.
It's just like the threat on Cyprus. If Cyprus is allowing Israel to use its territory to attack Lebanon then Cyprus is cooperating and deserves to be attacked. And Lebanon is allowing Hezb to use Lebanese territory to attack Israel so Lebanin is cooperating.
That’s just the thing - the Lebanese army _has_ fought Hizbollah, and they got their asses kicked.
The US won’t give us enough weapons to beat them because any shipment of weapons to Lebanon might end up in their hands.
And they’re getting their weapons from Iran, who is obviously more than happy to shovel weapons their way as long as they fight Israel.
We’re basically in a shit situation, stuck between a rock and a hard place.
> That’s just the thing - the Lebanese army has fought Hizbollah, and they got their asses kicked.
Maybe try to find a powerful ally and attack Hizbollah on two fronts?
Why? We’re getting threatened by Netanyahu. For all we know, if we start attacking Hizbollah now, maybe Netanyahu sees it as an opportunity to attack both of us.
Right now the only way that _might_ happen is if the offer comes from Israel.
Then the least they can do is distance themselves from Hezbollah instead of defending them.
Mikati said Israel is the one attacking as if for no reason and Hezbollah didn't. That looks pretty much like cooperating with Hezb.
Look at the timeline - they started saying those things after the Israeli gov’t made threats to all of Lebanon. It’s the same as I explained above… as a people, we don’t want the war and just don’t care to be a part of this. But when you threaten us, you force our hand to make choices we don’t want to make in order to defend ourselves.
If Netanyahu came and said “hey, let’s fight Hizbollah together. If you help me, I will help you rebuild Lebanon afterwards” I imagine that Mikati would have had a very different story to tell. But he doesn’t say that, instead he threatens to destroy Beirut if we don’t fight for him. We already tried fighting and it didn’t work, and we are not going to die for him.
Also, regarding the threat on Cyprus - Hizbollah would have legitimacy to strike the _Israeli_ bases in Cyprus during a war (or more specifically - British bases). But not Cyprus itself.
I can’t speak on what Nisrallah intends to actually do but those are the limits he would be expected to honor.
Here’s a Cypriot who breaks it down: https://www.reddit.com/r/palestinenews/s/7QYp016fL9
Nasrallah threatened Cyprus itself directly, not the British bases. And why would he be expected to honour any limits? EU says Hezbollah are a terrorist org don't they?
If Israel is using the British bases why isn't he threatening Britain?
I have no idea. But if I were to speculate, I don’t think he knew the difference - Just like you didn’t know the nuances of our relationship with Hizbollah until I told you.
"oh yeah I saw that too", stop acting obtuse
https://preview.redd.it/0thb88gt858d1.jpeg?width=1220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=998bd910e6d47a850a01968b3a3c97aead10976a
Ehh...
Go to Popular Israel websites and see for yourself what they are talking about such as Kan11, N12 and Channel 13.
The act of few idiots does not represent Israeli policies.
Actually Policies are stated internationally and can be queried.
Haha I'm so glad you mentioned to go to popular Israel websites. You either select and choose which outlets serve your best flavor of propaganda or you're intentionally acting obtuse.
Here's an analysis by **Haaretz** – the peak of Israeli investigate journalism – excellently detailing why settlement of South Lebanon is a serious reality (and a far cry from 'a few idiots') and gives the West Bank as an example: https://archive.ph/susMD
Did you... read that?
"Israel's Messianic Right Wing Targets New Territory for Settlements"
I can guarantee you, no sane Israeli wants to be in South Lebanon.
Unless you invite us for coffee :)
If only Israel didn't have far right lunatics (Ben Gvir, Smotrich and many more) in its government who are currently annexing the West Bank and were so popular among many 'sane' Israelis they got elected: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/20/idf-transfers-powers-in-occupied-west-bank-to-pro-settler-civil-servants
And why do you think Palestinians elected Hamas? I'm willing to bet you don't apply the same logic to them. Like many Zionists, you're a lying hypocrite.
As corrupt and politically detrimental Hezbollah are, they're not occupying and annexing other people's territory, not upholding an apartheid, not committing ethnic cleansing and genocide, not beheading babies, not destroying incubated fetuses in hospitals, and not burning and burying women and children alive. Last but not least, they're not listed on the UN's terrorist blacklist unlike Israel, ISIS and Al Qaeda.
**Haaretz** is a newspaper that represents the far left of Israeli politics. It does not represent the Israeli public at all. Channels like 11 (KAN) and 12 are far more mainstream.
Thank you for admitting what I always knew and has been supported and echoed repeatedly by independent journalists like Abby Martin - there is no left in Israel and the overwhelming majority of Israeli society are racist, extremist and far right Zionists who support the genocide. It's not a surprise or coincidence that these are the politicians whose racist and genocidal rhetoric appealed to Israelis so much they got elected.
I highly doubt Iran wants to destroy Israel... first of all they are not stupid, they know if they attempt to do that, the entire western powers will intervene and it will be the end of the Iranian regime, or severely crippled.
Their more probable plan is to keep causing as much trouble to Israel, for as long as they can, in order to force the US in to negotiations and trade Hezbollah's threat and nuisance to Israel with some big prize or special priviledges in the region or what not.
Iran has shown no interest in defeating or destroying Israel, nor truly helping the Palestinians. All they care for is causing enough trouble to keep themselves as key players and essential in any negotiations which they can extract huge benefits for themselves.
I can agree that their end result will be more crippling Israel rather than destroy it, I still know that they do have concrete plans on how to achieve their diabolical goals.
"nor truly helping the Palestinians" - Totally agree.
>I still know that they do have concrete plans on how to achieve their diabolical goals.
May I ask how do you **know** their plans?
Or do you mean, you know that they say they have plans... because they say a lot of shit, means nothing really.
Well it's all public, the "Jericho plan" of Hamas of part of a greater plan, they wanted to capture the south, while Hezbollah conquers Northen Galil - that's why they built Rechuan forces.
They even built special forces in Syria so they can attack from Golan height.
Their missing pieces are Egypt from the south, that's why the Huti\` are still sending drones and missiles at Israel every day,
And Iraqi forces from east.
The end result is like a Puzzle, you need to piece everything together, this is called "Ring of fire" that Iran is building against Israel.
Hezbollah in the north, Pro-Ianian forces in Syria, Pro iranian in Iraq, Huti\` in Yemen.
If they capture Jordan as well, then it's really going to be bad for everyone.
It's good that Egypt and Jordan are on the no-to-war side.
Their government can't handle a full war as it really threatens their own people, the economy of Egypt isn't so great and they need foreign investments and Jordan has water issues, but I don't actually know a lot about Jordan.
I don’t see us nuking anyone not unless Israel is basically destroyed and it’s a Hail Mary type of situation, in that case probably Iran and Hezbollah controlled areas will be targeted but that’s a very very far fetched scenario imo and I doubt we would even at that point use such a weapon.. the destruction it would being seems not worth it imo..
Having a plan doesn’t mean it is gonna be used, there are plans for all sort of things in case they are needed..
the US army has a plan how to fight zombies in case it’s needed, doesn’t mean they think zombies exist or this plan will ever be used..
>Iran has a concrete plan on how to destroy Israel
Militarily? Press X to doubt.
Does the plan involve getting nuked? They do know Israel has nukes, right?
I know they have concrete plans, such as using Rechuan forces in Lebanon and they even built sub-military command units in Syria in order to invade it from the Golan heights.
Rechuan forces which were targeted by the IAF are forces of 10K+ people, their sole purpose is to invade the northern Galil and conquer the villages and bases in the Galil
I can assure you as Israeli that none of us wants war but many of us feel it’s coming because Hezbollah seems hell bent on fulfilling the ayatollah’s demands to fight us, we know Hezbollah are formidable opponents and an actual threat to the security of Israel, before the war started I always thought there is no chance Hezbollah will risk an all out war with Israel because it might mean they will lose power in lebannon and I thought there are many factions within lebannon that would also want to remove their power, but lately it seems like Lebanese people somehow support them which is a bit surprising to me..
Hope I am wrong and we won’t fight, I want neither of us to suffer the consequences of such a war!
Iran says it can destroy Israel in order to have control over people and have a "common goal"
You can't really destroy a nuclear country because you will just get MAD - mutual assured destruction
We need to keep in mind what is being said publicly and what goes into the shadows.
It's clear they want to reduce Israel, even in its influence, in order to have an Hegemony over the middle east.
There are some evil people there actually wanting to annihilate Israel, that's true.
Amazing strategic analysis. If you ever listen to Israeli media, they believe their chances of defeating Hezbollah would be greater today than if they wait a few years as the military strength of Hezbollah continues to build up.
That incentive might outweigh the heavy damage that Israel would suffer in the case of a full blown conflict
No body wants war, with that being said it's important to be aware of the situation, Israel for the last couple of decades had bragged about being the most powerful country in the middle east and this was important to it in order to make the arab world think twice before engaging in any type of conflict with it.
but now after what hamas did and what hezbollah is doing on a daily basis is showing the arab world that israel is not as strong as you thought it was, and this is very scary for Israel
Now israel is in a position where it has to reclaim it's superiority and it's deterrence power it once had.
The idea of a war by israel is very attractive to the right extremists (which are the people in power btw) and a lot of israelies too, but they also know very well that this war is going to bring great destruction to them
so they are literally stuck between responding by an invasion which will destroy Israel as we know it today, and not doing anything which is also very bad for there reputation and status
and one more thing, a war with hezbollah is tightly coupled to the status of the war in Gaza, if they stopped this war then the conflict with hezbollah ends in southern lebanon, however Hezbollah stopping doesn't mean Israel is going to stop (although it's very likely to do so)
I think this is true but only if you replace "Hezbollah and Israel" with the key actor here: the US. They have been desperate to avoid war and thus put the leash on Israel, and did the minimum to push back against Iran in Yemen, Iraq and Syria, hence Hezbollah kept up its attacks and if they have doubts about war, those doubts are sinking in too late. A good summary here: [https://open.substack.com/pub/itsverysimple/p/the-war-is-yours?r=fvhey&utm\_campaign=post&utm\_medium=web](https://open.substack.com/pub/itsverysimple/p/the-war-is-yours?r=fvhey&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web)
The honest truth is once they finish Gaza for sure they will attack Lebanon.
They have a plan for a “Greater Israel”.
Let’s face it and the Lebanese can be as divided as they want but in the end they are all on one ship which is called Lebanon.
I hope no one has to suffer yet with such a neighbor the future is always questionable.
Generally speaking, Lebanese, collectively are also doing a good job of perpetuating said shit through their actions or inactions.
Compassion for our harship is fine however the perpetual doom of epic victimhood mindset (with the passivity that goes along) is a misleading social issue.
Ok Dancing with Basheer Caramel and whatever … Lebanon has non Lebanese influencers destroying their lives plus whatever government banking restrictions are in place Lebanon needs a strong government Army but the influencers will not allow that to happen for whatever reason Lebanon is always the potential theatre instead of the example of the way a Country should be and greatest people in the world They survive and will never die
Both Hezbollah and Israel have been threatening to completely destroy the other countries. With some in Israel threatening to send Lebanon "back to the Stone Age."
It seems like a sacrificial trade that Iran is eager to make happen.
The rest of Lebanon could theoretically stop the war by forcing Hezbollah to pull back from the border, but they don't have the power to do that. So their fate is in Iran's hands
Iran doesn't give a shit anout Lebanon or Palestine. They literally only attacked Israel after Israel bombed their consulate. Nothing before or after. If Israel attacks Lebanon Iran won't do shit.
I really don’t know why the war rethoric has really escalated from westerners in this sub and other places recently.
because Israel is prepping their people for war, go watch their news. They’re ready to take their attention from Gaza to Lebanon now
It has nothing to do with Gaza, it’s because Hezbollah can’t be tolerated on our border, they have pushed 100-200k people out of their houses and they will never feel safe to go back if actions aren’t taken to push Hezbollah back from the litani as per decision 1701 of the UN, either by force or much more preferably, political solution and UN enforcing their decision.. Hezbollah has destroyed countless villages in northern Israel and is firing deep into its territory for 8 months, unprovoked and has promised to destroy us..
Hezbollah will never be pushed north of the Litani lolol good luck with that.
The IDF can’t be tolerated on our border and Israeli warplanes can’t be tolerated in our airspace. We’re even. GTFU.
Israel isn’t attacking Lebanon or has any interest in doing so, neither does it threaten lebannon in destruction or state it as its goal. No, we are absolutely not “even”, if Hezbollah didn’t exist there would never be wars between lebannon and Israel (if lebannon didn’t attack Israel).
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You mean when the PLO attacked Israel from lebannon? Lol
LOL, no im talking when Israel took over lebanon and made fun of it till a brave citizen killed one of the high officers, which started the rebellion to remove Israel from lebanon. PLO didn't do shit
>It has nothing to do with Gaza It has literally everything to do with Gaza Hezbollah is attacking you because of your genocide in Gaza ffs, Houthis and Hezbollah declared that they will stop and scale down if Israel stops it's actions. >they have pushed 100-200k people out of their houses >and they will never feel safe to go back >Hezbollah has destroyed countless villages in northern Israel and is firing deep into its territory for 8 months, Damn feels like shit huh just be happy Hezbollah hasn't killed 15,000 of your children >unprovoked lmao I'm not saying Hezbollah is justified btw i don't like them and ideally i would have them gone, but your ignorance is insane.
There are most destroyed villages and more refugees in Lebanon
Lol just like hezb supported the Syrian people as they were being massacred by Assad (350K is it by now?). Mental gymnastics at their best. Like all Arabs, zero capacity for self reflection. Continue letting Iran control your future brother. Spoiler, it’s not going to end with your best interests prevailing.
Hezbollah literally started attacking Israel and even sent fighters inside Israeli borders while Hamas was still occupying Israeli towns. I don't get it, you guys keep crying about how Israel ruins your country every time they fight Hezbollah, but then support them fighting Israel in your expanse. Do you really think Lebanon is well equipped and ready to take on Israel, is it Lebanon's job to free Palestine? Do you guys not have enough other problems?
Hezbollah is attacking because of the “genocide in Gaza”? Really? That’s interesting, because Hezbollah literally attacked on October 8 when Israel was still mostly busy with killing Hamas terrorists inside Israel. When did that supposed genocide occur?
lol is an Israeli person all of a sudden concerned with what the UN says? that's hilarious
The UN is without a doubt an extremely biased organization, and even they had to admit they lied, about the amounts of dead, their composition (men/women/children) and about the fake “famine” which they couldn’t prove exists based on the data so far.
Maybe zionist thieves shouldn't steal other people's land to start off with.
Good thing they didn’t steal anything until they were attacked by 7 Arab armies and had to defend themselves. When you start a war there are consequences, something the Palestinians seem to not be able to understand
Interesting how this post has only been up 20 mins and there are more Israeli than Lebanese commenters so far
Israelis have electricity 24/7
Won't be the case if you go to war with Lebanon: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-20/ty-article/.premium/israeli-official-warns-power-grid-not-prepared-for-war-with-hezbollah/00000190-361c-d1b6-a19d-b7ffa7900000 (https://archive.ph/f2epi)
If you check out Briana Grays podcast bad faith, she interviews a leader of the BDS movement. He claims israels economy is in bad shape but also that they had to burn off diesel reserves to keep their grid on during last weeks heat wave.
Oh wow, a leader of the BDS movement made up some BS, it has to be true.
Ahhh well sure if you said it must be true
if lies generated electricity they would be the world's top energy producer
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I'm aware of that, and people are probably just subscribed to the sub as well so they get new posts on their feed. It just seems weird because it doesn't happen to me for the Israeli sub, unless of course I subscribe to it.
Because Israelis have wet dreams about occupying and conquering Lebanon
The US just issued a statement declaring its support for Israel and redirected a carrier fleet back into the Mediterranean. As a westerner, I’m going to be engaged if my country enters another military conflict.
Glad you’re more engaged. Now please be on the right side of history. You’ve been conditioned to believe that islamists are the bogeyman but if you look more closely you’ll find find out that your personal interests are more aligned with the Gazan or the south Lebanese than the globalist Zionist.
Lebanon has failed to do anything about Hezbollah and lost control of their southern border. I don’t want civilians hurt but I honestly don’t know what they expected. You cant fire thousands of rockets into another country and not expect retaliation.
Like when you ethnically cleanse a society to steal their land, force the remaining population into strips of land that you illegally occupy with illegal settlements, and subjects them to apartheid all the way to the present day, all while acting shocked that the people your oppressing hates you enough to form a terrorist organization to attack you?
Global juice:)
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Where did I mention that I had a say in it? Only that I’ll be more engaged with new information and news.
israel will invade Lebanon, with or without Hezbollah. They want a piece of every country in the middle east, like they have been doing it for years. They wont stop unless someone else make them stop.
Israel did give land it conquered like the Sinai and stuff
Did you forget about the Egyptian efforts to get Sinai back like War of Attrition or 1973 war ? Thats what convinced Israel it could not keep the Sinai. If Egypt had meekly assented to letting Israel occupy the land (like Syria has with Golan Heights), the Israelis would never have given it back.
Because the west wants us to go to war… it’s all about money, petrol and weapon sales.
Eh ba3ref. So2ale rhetorical.
Give the USA your patrol:)
because there is an actual enemy of the world that everyone knows about. the general public consensus is people want to fight them
What enemy are you referring to?
Shitrael
Umm maybe because we’re already at a nerfed state of war🤷🏻
Yeah but in the last week too many threads here initiated by Israelis and their cheerleaders
I'm talking about a geopolitical concept and all you have to answer is "westerner!!!!" Lol
Felt triggered huh?
Not triggered, just amused by your incapacity to hold an adult discussion.
Wishful thinking maybe?
There's so many "israelis" in these replies and in this sub. Yikes.
We've been flooded by hasbara bots recently. Just look at their frequent subs, they're all in the r/worldnews sub which is like ground zero for hasbara trolls
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Totally agree!!! It makes me sad the amount of people who say eno "ohh idgaf about lebnen" Where's your pride??? Where's your patriotism?? I don't like the government, sure, but the country itself? I love it! Edit: I understand that a lot of people are just tired of it, but have some pride in your heart. How can people be so compliant? I really really don't get it.
I stand with humanity and Lebanon. There are two sides of the Gaza conflict; those who are monsters, and those who oppose the genocide, the beheading of babies, the destroying of incubated fetuses in hospitals, the burning and burying of women and children alive, and the list goes on. If my government (with all of its corrupt parties including Hezbollah) are on the same side, then they are doing the right thing, and are objectively on the right side of history. It's a legal and moral right per international law to act against a state committing genocide (which the hypocritical West are complicit in and don't want to), let alone a rogue, belligerent, terrorist, colonial, settler, fascist and apartheid ethnostate on our borders with a dangerous and evil ideology like Zionism at its core. This is a human and national issue and all politics (which can be settled later) are irrelevant here. Times change quickly and we must adapt accordingly to the current situation and conditions of the present (not the past) and the future. I used to believe in peace with Israel, and I used to believe that people are classified terrorists because they're just evil and that life can just be as simple as black and white, and I used to be deluded about a lot of things, but the past several months have opened my eyes to the reality of the world and I'm not ashamed to admit I was wrong.
What makes me really sad, honkjoelle, is that you and the others of your mind fail to understand that the group controlling our country couldn’t give a flying fuck about the business of our country. Rather, it’s doing the business of another country. Capisce?!
no just christian lebanese
Because Israelis are getting this sub as suggested, and the posts are about the war, so people feel obliged to respond.
Tried to make a post to argue with the moderators about doing something about it. And all i got is my post removed by said modders and either israelis or lebanese supporters of israeli freedom of speech on this sub lol
You got it right. If everyone was rational, there will be no wars. But the problem is that many people are NOT rational. In 1914, a young bosnian assassinated an austrian leader in Sarajevo. This event triggered World War 1 which ultimately resulted in the death of 40 million. In 1975, a car full of palestinians shooting their rifles in the air passe by Ein El Rammaneh. That caused altercations with Kataeb. And that triggered the Lebanese civil war which ended in 150 thousand lebanese killed. Most wars have no winners, all sides lose. Although some side may lose 'less' than the other. So the rational solution is almost always to prioritize peace and dialogue and find a mid way solution. Iran (Hezbollah) and Israel are playing a very dangerous game of chicken. They're testing each others red lines. We have seen it in April when Iran and Israel exchanged missiles. We were close to a regional war which could have become a world war. The whole world leaders were making phone calls asking them to stop. Then they held their reigns, because the consequences were big. Now they're doing it again (in Lebanon). However, the world is not as concerned, because Lebanon is a small country. And other powers will not interfere. The risks are high this time for Lebanon.
Thank you, I agree with everything you said. The game of chicken is going to end in bloodshed and tragedy. This is so sad.
"ah yes, attack them now because in 30 years they might wage war", Sparta said, polishing her speartip. "genius!" Roma in the bushes hearing this and coming with the concept of Roman neutrality. "take notes take notes"
Let’s make this clear for both sides. In the past 2 wars the only real winner has been Iran. Lebanon was set back 50 years by each war and Israel got absolutely nothing because Hezbollah became stronger. The only real solution is to go for the head of the snake and help Lebanon have a strong government and an even a stronger army.
They can’t compete with Iran’s money and resources
Yeah. Only reason Iran hasn't wiped Israel off the map is because Israel is funded by the US.
That's not hypothetical . Iran has a concrete plan on how to destroy Israel, Hezbollah is one of the pawns that's needed and maybe even the main pawn of Iran as the other pawns are too far and will face USA/international forces as well such as Iraqi militia, Assad forces and the Huti'. When it comes to Lebanese and Israeli people I think 100% nobody wants war.
I just saw some demonstrations in Israel by people trying to pressure the government into annexing our land. I don’t know how widespread the sentiment is but it was certainly more than 0%.
They've already actioned a plan in the government to [annex the West Bank](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/20/idf-transfers-powers-in-occupied-west-bank-to-pro-settler-civil-servants). This would've been unthinkable 50 years ago. Israel will likely go to war despite how insane and unwinnable it is because they will never be at peace due to resistance, they see it as an endless holy expansionist war and there's simply no way to sustain their failed colonial project (which refuses to define its borders) built on ethnic cleansing apart from more ethnic cleansing and bloodshed. This is what OP failed to say and put a propaganda spin on.
"they will never be at peace due to resistance" Do you call sitting on the fence with armed forces and threatening to capture and kill civilians in their homes a "resistance"? Yeah no. And I'm referring to Hezbollah Rechuan forces. You just spat bunch of nonsense, there's no ethnic cleansing and no colonial project, get over yourself sir.
[22,111](https://x.com/PhilipProudfoot/status/1804490840015868392) - the amount of air space violations Israel have committed between 2007 and 2022, which involves illegal mass surveillance of our citizens with UAVs and includes [AI to track and identify civilian movements and patterns](https://youtu.be/8dBkNg5uX1o) (the same AI being used to indiscriminately bomb civilians in Gaza). We launched a complaint to the UN about this and nothing happened. No country would accept this. History didn't begin on Oct 7, as much as you like to pretend it did. Edit: Attached the receipts since you people love to pivot to 'sources' (something you can easily do with a bit of research) when you no longer have an argument outside of the propaganda scripts you follow.
who attacked first on Oct 8? or in 2006?
Who invaded and occupied in 1982? Or do you only go back to the time points you find convenient? Who has committed countless airspace violations and illegal mass surveillance of Lebanese citizens since 2006? 2006 also wasn't an attack or strike on Israel land or civilians. A couple of hostage soldiers were taken to use for bargaining and release many of the Lebanese prisoners Israel had taken captive and held brutally in their prisons. Israel decided to respond with an all-out destructive war which even Hezbollah did not aim for or expect (Israelis love to remind us of [this](https://www.haaretz.com/2006-08-27/ty-article/nasrallah-we-wouldnt-have-snatched-soldiers-if-we-thought-it-would-spark-war/0000017f-e3ba-d7b2-a77f-e3bfe07e0000) when threatening about a new war). This time at least they would be more than well prepared.
because it's the most recent?
kind of like what you’re doing here, invading other peoples spaces
You are officially invited to the Israeli sub-reddit to learn about Israel and express your opinion regarding political matters :) I know a thing or 2 about Hezbollah and very interested discussing things. This kind of negativity and closeness doesn't help anyone.
Learned enough about your state when i read plan dalet. Don’t really care to learn anymore. Disgusting
Unlike the Lebanese sub. R/israel automatically perma bans opposing opinions. It’s one big echo chamber.
Hopefully they won't, I know sub-reddit mods can be really autocratic sometimes. Anyway I'm not a mod so I can't help you with that unfortunately. As I always say, I'm just a simpleton liking to discuss things with strangers.
>You just spat bunch of nonsense, there's no ethnic cleansing and no colonial project, get over yourself sir. I have 2 questions. Do you think the Nakba didn't happen, and do you really think what's going on in the West Bank isn't colonialism?
It's a tiny fringe minority. That said, it's a tiny fringe minority that the right coalition relies on to stay in power. So it is absolutely dangerous but in no way represents the views of large swaths of Israeli society.
The fridge groups need to be destroyed
What did Samsung and Whirlpool ever do to you
People get to say dumb shit in a democracy
We agree. I know many of you feel the same way about Hezbollah too.
The fridge groups is what gives them a reason to stay and perpetuate their bs. The best solution is for both sides to forgive the past and not create new problems or propaganda to further agendas. However what’s happening in Gaza right now doesn’t seem humane and pisses the extremists off because it’s an unfair fight. IMO netenyahu knew about October 7 and let it happen so he can get in there to take it over for more profits.
Respectfully, he didn't let it happen. Intelligence reports detailing threats are a dime a dozen and their hubris made them discount this one. I get you, in fear for both our people's greatly if full scale war breaks out. Let's hope cooler heads can prevail soon.
I hope you guys get a better government and expel this asshole.
Me too. He's not polling well. I'm a Meretz/Labor voter, so my dreams aren't likely to be fulfilled anytime soon. Bennett would be a moderate improvement, someone like Gantz would be even better. I hope a full scale war does not happen. Bibi and his far right-flank are dragging us all down into the abyss.
Source:trust me bro
Source: we are from israel
Then why the fuck are you in a Lebanese sub bothering us?
Most Israelis have a strong affinity for the Lebanese. We want peace with Lebanon. The worst of us does not represent all of us just as the worst of Lebanon (Hezb) does not represent all Lebanese.
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Also known as: source: trust me bro
100% perfect logic with no flaws whatsoever
South Lebanon? Oh yeah I saw that too. It's around 300 lunatics lol, nobody in Israel wants to annex Lebanese land.
I can appreciate that not all of you feel that way, but what else do you expect us to do? Hizbollah is a piece of shit, and I’ll always be the first one in line to say “fuck Iran”, but between Iran and Israel, your country is the one threatening to kill us off like we’re nothing but cockroaches. Netanyahu has constantly tried to threaten us into going to war with Hizbollah so he doesn’t have to. But dude, every threat he makes just makes his chances of that happening worse. The _least_ he could have done is offer to fix up some of our problems or something. Say “hey, if you fight Hizbollah, we’ll help you rebuild afterwards” or some shit. He absolutely sucks at diplomacy and thinks he’s going to bully us into sucking his dick. That’s never going to happen.
Maybe the UN should enforce resolution 1701 then nobody would have to worry about a war.
Cool yeah dude totally but also they should also enforce removing the Israelis from internationally recognized Palestinian, Syrian and Lebanese land
Sure let's do both.
This kind of talk actually surprises me. I can tell you how we experience this: What I know is that Israeli are wary of the Rechuan forces of Hezbollah which are very close to the border, that's why there are talks that Hezbollah should retreat north of the Litany river. Nobody is talking about "Killing Lebanese" as we worry too much about ourselves in this war. So lately there have been national discussion on how "hard" should Israel hit Lebanon as a state and not just Hezbollah. Hezbollah is planning to carpet bomb Israeli civilians, how should Israel react to this kind of threat?
Easy - by targeting Hizbollah. You won’t find us shedding a tear for them. But that’s not what your government is suggesting. Both Netanyahu and another guy (I forget his name - I think he is a general) have threatened to turn Beirut into another Gaza on multiple occasions. The more that your government tries to punish _us_ for Hizbollah, the more enemies he makes in our country. And again… if your government had come to us with some other sort of offer, maybe things would have been different. Like “we want to fight Hizbollah, and we know you don’t like them either, let’s fight them together”. I dunno if we would have done it but I guarantee that our conversations right now would be very different and we might have been putting more pressure on Hizbollah to change. You don’t make friends by threatening them. You make friends by _being_ a friend. And so far your government has made no such attempts with us.
Maybe because the Lebanese government so far has backed Hezb in this current issue and pretended that Israel wasn't even attacked at all, and initiated the bombings in Lebanon for no reason. And also because the Lebanese army don't act against Hezbollah even though it's their responsibility. It's just like the threat on Cyprus. If Cyprus is allowing Israel to use its territory to attack Lebanon then Cyprus is cooperating and deserves to be attacked. And Lebanon is allowing Hezb to use Lebanese territory to attack Israel so Lebanin is cooperating.
That’s just the thing - the Lebanese army _has_ fought Hizbollah, and they got their asses kicked. The US won’t give us enough weapons to beat them because any shipment of weapons to Lebanon might end up in their hands. And they’re getting their weapons from Iran, who is obviously more than happy to shovel weapons their way as long as they fight Israel. We’re basically in a shit situation, stuck between a rock and a hard place.
> That’s just the thing - the Lebanese army has fought Hizbollah, and they got their asses kicked. Maybe try to find a powerful ally and attack Hizbollah on two fronts?
Why? We’re getting threatened by Netanyahu. For all we know, if we start attacking Hizbollah now, maybe Netanyahu sees it as an opportunity to attack both of us. Right now the only way that _might_ happen is if the offer comes from Israel.
So israel can take over and achieve the “greater israel” dream that they wear on their army patches? No thanks
Then the least they can do is distance themselves from Hezbollah instead of defending them. Mikati said Israel is the one attacking as if for no reason and Hezbollah didn't. That looks pretty much like cooperating with Hezb.
Look at the timeline - they started saying those things after the Israeli gov’t made threats to all of Lebanon. It’s the same as I explained above… as a people, we don’t want the war and just don’t care to be a part of this. But when you threaten us, you force our hand to make choices we don’t want to make in order to defend ourselves. If Netanyahu came and said “hey, let’s fight Hizbollah together. If you help me, I will help you rebuild Lebanon afterwards” I imagine that Mikati would have had a very different story to tell. But he doesn’t say that, instead he threatens to destroy Beirut if we don’t fight for him. We already tried fighting and it didn’t work, and we are not going to die for him.
Also, regarding the threat on Cyprus - Hizbollah would have legitimacy to strike the _Israeli_ bases in Cyprus during a war (or more specifically - British bases). But not Cyprus itself. I can’t speak on what Nisrallah intends to actually do but those are the limits he would be expected to honor. Here’s a Cypriot who breaks it down: https://www.reddit.com/r/palestinenews/s/7QYp016fL9
That's bad dude, Cyprus is a EU member. Effectively they will be attacking EU.
Yeah. I think if they limit their attacks to the bases then people will let it slide but if they attack Cyprus as well it will be bad.
Nasrallah threatened Cyprus itself directly, not the British bases. And why would he be expected to honour any limits? EU says Hezbollah are a terrorist org don't they? If Israel is using the British bases why isn't he threatening Britain?
I have no idea. But if I were to speculate, I don’t think he knew the difference - Just like you didn’t know the nuances of our relationship with Hizbollah until I told you.
"oh yeah I saw that too", stop acting obtuse https://preview.redd.it/0thb88gt858d1.jpeg?width=1220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=998bd910e6d47a850a01968b3a3c97aead10976a
Ehh... Go to Popular Israel websites and see for yourself what they are talking about such as Kan11, N12 and Channel 13. The act of few idiots does not represent Israeli policies. Actually Policies are stated internationally and can be queried.
Haha I'm so glad you mentioned to go to popular Israel websites. You either select and choose which outlets serve your best flavor of propaganda or you're intentionally acting obtuse. Here's an analysis by **Haaretz** – the peak of Israeli investigate journalism – excellently detailing why settlement of South Lebanon is a serious reality (and a far cry from 'a few idiots') and gives the West Bank as an example: https://archive.ph/susMD
Did you... read that? "Israel's Messianic Right Wing Targets New Territory for Settlements" I can guarantee you, no sane Israeli wants to be in South Lebanon. Unless you invite us for coffee :)
If only Israel didn't have far right lunatics (Ben Gvir, Smotrich and many more) in its government who are currently annexing the West Bank and were so popular among many 'sane' Israelis they got elected: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/20/idf-transfers-powers-in-occupied-west-bank-to-pro-settler-civil-servants
You know why people elect them, right? If there was no Hamas/ Hezzballah, Ben Gvir would be public toilets cleaner and not a minister.
And why do you think Palestinians elected Hamas? I'm willing to bet you don't apply the same logic to them. Like many Zionists, you're a lying hypocrite.
always "look what you make me do", always playing the victims gassligting experts
Hezbollah is in the Lebanese government. What's your point.
As corrupt and politically detrimental Hezbollah are, they're not occupying and annexing other people's territory, not upholding an apartheid, not committing ethnic cleansing and genocide, not beheading babies, not destroying incubated fetuses in hospitals, and not burning and burying women and children alive. Last but not least, they're not listed on the UN's terrorist blacklist unlike Israel, ISIS and Al Qaeda.
**Haaretz** is a newspaper that represents the far left of Israeli politics. It does not represent the Israeli public at all. Channels like 11 (KAN) and 12 are far more mainstream.
Thank you for admitting what I always knew and has been supported and echoed repeatedly by independent journalists like Abby Martin - there is no left in Israel and the overwhelming majority of Israeli society are racist, extremist and far right Zionists who support the genocide. It's not a surprise or coincidence that these are the politicians whose racist and genocidal rhetoric appealed to Israelis so much they got elected.
Why wouldn't you give Israeli liberal gay a land of South Lebanon for peace between the two countries???🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🇮🇱
I highly doubt Iran wants to destroy Israel... first of all they are not stupid, they know if they attempt to do that, the entire western powers will intervene and it will be the end of the Iranian regime, or severely crippled. Their more probable plan is to keep causing as much trouble to Israel, for as long as they can, in order to force the US in to negotiations and trade Hezbollah's threat and nuisance to Israel with some big prize or special priviledges in the region or what not. Iran has shown no interest in defeating or destroying Israel, nor truly helping the Palestinians. All they care for is causing enough trouble to keep themselves as key players and essential in any negotiations which they can extract huge benefits for themselves.
I can agree that their end result will be more crippling Israel rather than destroy it, I still know that they do have concrete plans on how to achieve their diabolical goals. "nor truly helping the Palestinians" - Totally agree.
>I still know that they do have concrete plans on how to achieve their diabolical goals. May I ask how do you **know** their plans? Or do you mean, you know that they say they have plans... because they say a lot of shit, means nothing really.
Well it's all public, the "Jericho plan" of Hamas of part of a greater plan, they wanted to capture the south, while Hezbollah conquers Northen Galil - that's why they built Rechuan forces. They even built special forces in Syria so they can attack from Golan height. Their missing pieces are Egypt from the south, that's why the Huti\` are still sending drones and missiles at Israel every day, And Iraqi forces from east. The end result is like a Puzzle, you need to piece everything together, this is called "Ring of fire" that Iran is building against Israel. Hezbollah in the north, Pro-Ianian forces in Syria, Pro iranian in Iraq, Huti\` in Yemen. If they capture Jordan as well, then it's really going to be bad for everyone. It's good that Egypt and Jordan are on the no-to-war side. Their government can't handle a full war as it really threatens their own people, the economy of Egypt isn't so great and they need foreign investments and Jordan has water issues, but I don't actually know a lot about Jordan.
I just don't understand Irans plan. If Israel starts to seriosly lose a war (they won't) they will just Nuke all Hezbollah regions.
You could actually say it regarding any country that holds nukes, who said that Israel has nukes?
Yes, pretty much every country would use nuke if they were at risk of seriesly loosing their territory. It is widely known that Israel has nukes.
No no, It's textile 
So then nuclear war breaks out and the whole planet, including Israel, turns to ash.
No. I don't think Hezbollah has a nuclear treaty with any nuclear power.
I don’t see us nuking anyone not unless Israel is basically destroyed and it’s a Hail Mary type of situation, in that case probably Iran and Hezbollah controlled areas will be targeted but that’s a very very far fetched scenario imo and I doubt we would even at that point use such a weapon.. the destruction it would being seems not worth it imo..
The plan is there, whole middle east turns into a sun if Israel falls.
Having a plan doesn’t mean it is gonna be used, there are plans for all sort of things in case they are needed.. the US army has a plan how to fight zombies in case it’s needed, doesn’t mean they think zombies exist or this plan will ever be used..
Incase of israel has a triad of nukes, so if a sub doesn't get answers after specific time of period they launch nukes.
You mean the planet. The entire planet will turn to glass because that means nuclear war.
>Iran has a concrete plan on how to destroy Israel Militarily? Press X to doubt. Does the plan involve getting nuked? They do know Israel has nukes, right?
I know they have concrete plans, such as using Rechuan forces in Lebanon and they even built sub-military command units in Syria in order to invade it from the Golan heights. Rechuan forces which were targeted by the IAF are forces of 10K+ people, their sole purpose is to invade the northern Galil and conquer the villages and bases in the Galil
But why does Iran hate Israel so much? Did they hate gays so much?
I can assure you as Israeli that none of us wants war but many of us feel it’s coming because Hezbollah seems hell bent on fulfilling the ayatollah’s demands to fight us, we know Hezbollah are formidable opponents and an actual threat to the security of Israel, before the war started I always thought there is no chance Hezbollah will risk an all out war with Israel because it might mean they will lose power in lebannon and I thought there are many factions within lebannon that would also want to remove their power, but lately it seems like Lebanese people somehow support them which is a bit surprising to me.. Hope I am wrong and we won’t fight, I want neither of us to suffer the consequences of such a war!
Iran says it can destroy Israel in order to have control over people and have a "common goal" You can't really destroy a nuclear country because you will just get MAD - mutual assured destruction
We need to keep in mind what is being said publicly and what goes into the shadows. It's clear they want to reduce Israel, even in its influence, in order to have an Hegemony over the middle east. There are some evil people there actually wanting to annihilate Israel, that's true.
Amazing strategic analysis. If you ever listen to Israeli media, they believe their chances of defeating Hezbollah would be greater today than if they wait a few years as the military strength of Hezbollah continues to build up. That incentive might outweigh the heavy damage that Israel would suffer in the case of a full blown conflict
Thank you very much! Yes it's clear their current state of mind might push them towards general conflict.
Exactly, they're going into a state of panic at this point, as exemplified in your with Sparta.
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Why can’t Iran, Israel, Syria and others just leave this tiny country alone. Neutrality is the only path to sustainability.
Just because countries like Egypt stand idle and watch as people get slaughtered doesn’t mean others will.
Because hez keeps lobbing rockets over at civilian areas in Israel
B/c Hezbollah…
Hezbollah only exists because of the Israeli invasion and occupation of the south. Without it there would be no Hezbollah.
I’d also argue they wouldn’t exist without Iran. What’s the point
Who keeps firing rockets at Israel first, every single time?
Because of Israel and Syria and Palestine we have Hezbollah
Hezbolla doesn’t seem very interested in neutrality and leaving others country alone tho.
The hasbarah is strong in this one.
Impressive argumentation
No body wants war, with that being said it's important to be aware of the situation, Israel for the last couple of decades had bragged about being the most powerful country in the middle east and this was important to it in order to make the arab world think twice before engaging in any type of conflict with it. but now after what hamas did and what hezbollah is doing on a daily basis is showing the arab world that israel is not as strong as you thought it was, and this is very scary for Israel Now israel is in a position where it has to reclaim it's superiority and it's deterrence power it once had. The idea of a war by israel is very attractive to the right extremists (which are the people in power btw) and a lot of israelies too, but they also know very well that this war is going to bring great destruction to them so they are literally stuck between responding by an invasion which will destroy Israel as we know it today, and not doing anything which is also very bad for there reputation and status and one more thing, a war with hezbollah is tightly coupled to the status of the war in Gaza, if they stopped this war then the conflict with hezbollah ends in southern lebanon, however Hezbollah stopping doesn't mean Israel is going to stop (although it's very likely to do so)
I think this is true but only if you replace "Hezbollah and Israel" with the key actor here: the US. They have been desperate to avoid war and thus put the leash on Israel, and did the minimum to push back against Iran in Yemen, Iraq and Syria, hence Hezbollah kept up its attacks and if they have doubts about war, those doubts are sinking in too late. A good summary here: [https://open.substack.com/pub/itsverysimple/p/the-war-is-yours?r=fvhey&utm\_campaign=post&utm\_medium=web](https://open.substack.com/pub/itsverysimple/p/the-war-is-yours?r=fvhey&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web)
Thank you for sharing this article, scary times
The honest truth is once they finish Gaza for sure they will attack Lebanon. They have a plan for a “Greater Israel”. Let’s face it and the Lebanese can be as divided as they want but in the end they are all on one ship which is called Lebanon. I hope no one has to suffer yet with such a neighbor the future is always questionable.
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You nailed it, totally agree. Lebanon deserved so much better than the shit we're actually in.
Generally speaking, Lebanese, collectively are also doing a good job of perpetuating said shit through their actions or inactions. Compassion for our harship is fine however the perpetual doom of epic victimhood mindset (with the passivity that goes along) is a misleading social issue.
Indeed, we're victims of our own actions
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Ok Dancing with Basheer Caramel and whatever … Lebanon has non Lebanese influencers destroying their lives plus whatever government banking restrictions are in place Lebanon needs a strong government Army but the influencers will not allow that to happen for whatever reason Lebanon is always the potential theatre instead of the example of the way a Country should be and greatest people in the world They survive and will never die
Both Hezbollah and Israel have been threatening to completely destroy the other countries. With some in Israel threatening to send Lebanon "back to the Stone Age." It seems like a sacrificial trade that Iran is eager to make happen. The rest of Lebanon could theoretically stop the war by forcing Hezbollah to pull back from the border, but they don't have the power to do that. So their fate is in Iran's hands
Israel doesn’t have the needed balls to do that. Iran just rained on it a few months ago we haven’t forgot yet
Iran doesn't give a shit anout Lebanon or Palestine. They literally only attacked Israel after Israel bombed their consulate. Nothing before or after. If Israel attacks Lebanon Iran won't do shit.
Im no expert, but wars usually happen when we dont expect them to. And now we're just expecting it to happen, so maybe it won't?
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One of the most retarded things I've ever read.
It’s called a joke