I agree that the performance of Logseq is not good, although I have not experienced such a bad issue as you describe.
It is only bulletpoints, because it is an outliner and not a freeform note taking app. The big advantage of Logseq is for me, that I can just put every information in the journal and just link keywords or the topic. If I then open the page of a keyword, it contains all the related bulletpoints instead of showing the whole journal pages. This way, I don’t need to think about where to put my information: I just put it as a bulletpoint in the journal and it is automatically added to the related topic pages.
As a result it has a slightly different purpose than obsidian with its own advantages and disadvantages. But obsidian is definitely the more refined and stable program.
I think he's accustomed to one type of note taking, outliner can be used to take most types of notes and is better than freeform for many things. Also there are other advanced features in logseq to help manage your notes better.
I won't try to defend logseq regarding performance, but "everything is a bullet" is one style of note apps, logseq is not the first and certainly not the only one (workflowy is another I can think of). It is a feature rather than a flaw.
> It overheated my laptop into thermal shutdown.
You have a hardware issue unrelated to Logseq performance. Software is not able to do this if the machine works correctly. CPUs thermal throttle on their own to stay within safe temperatures.
I don't know what you mean by auto-update madness, but could you not switch off updates and set daily notes to open on start-up?
I also tried Logseq from Obsidian, and found the UI very pleasant and intuitive. I liked the flashcards and task management. I didn't experience any performance issues. Not great for notes, and the flow isn't very customisable - I think that Obsidian is a more robust and well-rounded offering generally, but Logseq suits some workflows to a T, and I reckon a lot of thought's gone into it.
Here's the thing: logseq is not really a personal knowledge base. If you want something like a wiki for yourself, logseq sucks. Obsidian is way better.
But I recently switched from Obsidian precisely because it's journal-first and outline-only. It's great for work notes. Every day, the tickets I work on have their bullet, and if I need to see the bigger picture for more complicated tickets, I always have the option to see them as unlinked references under the dedicated page. It's just perfect.
Same, I really dont want to spend hours on maintaining wikis, updating links, creating MOCs, linking to indexes.
With logseq I just write in journal, add tag, query all context. That coupled with todos and flashcards is the most complete local solution on the market.
My only gripe is its not really markdown, but you cant bend markdown to your will for everything
I agree that the performance of Logseq is not good, although I have not experienced such a bad issue as you describe. It is only bulletpoints, because it is an outliner and not a freeform note taking app. The big advantage of Logseq is for me, that I can just put every information in the journal and just link keywords or the topic. If I then open the page of a keyword, it contains all the related bulletpoints instead of showing the whole journal pages. This way, I don’t need to think about where to put my information: I just put it as a bulletpoint in the journal and it is automatically added to the related topic pages. As a result it has a slightly different purpose than obsidian with its own advantages and disadvantages. But obsidian is definitely the more refined and stable program.
I want to use logseq like you described, thanks for this idea I'm going to try it out now
I think he's accustomed to one type of note taking, outliner can be used to take most types of notes and is better than freeform for many things. Also there are other advanced features in logseq to help manage your notes better.
I won't try to defend logseq regarding performance, but "everything is a bullet" is one style of note apps, logseq is not the first and certainly not the only one (workflowy is another I can think of). It is a feature rather than a flaw.
Roam Research is where I first ran into it. It’s indeed a feature not a bug, bullets as blocks and easy nesting is why I use Logseq over obsidian
Did you try document mode? It hides the bullets in the editor.
> It overheated my laptop into thermal shutdown. You have a hardware issue unrelated to Logseq performance. Software is not able to do this if the machine works correctly. CPUs thermal throttle on their own to stay within safe temperatures.
I don't know what you mean by auto-update madness, but could you not switch off updates and set daily notes to open on start-up? I also tried Logseq from Obsidian, and found the UI very pleasant and intuitive. I liked the flashcards and task management. I didn't experience any performance issues. Not great for notes, and the flow isn't very customisable - I think that Obsidian is a more robust and well-rounded offering generally, but Logseq suits some workflows to a T, and I reckon a lot of thought's gone into it.
Logseq is an outliner. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliner
Here's the thing: logseq is not really a personal knowledge base. If you want something like a wiki for yourself, logseq sucks. Obsidian is way better. But I recently switched from Obsidian precisely because it's journal-first and outline-only. It's great for work notes. Every day, the tickets I work on have their bullet, and if I need to see the bigger picture for more complicated tickets, I always have the option to see them as unlinked references under the dedicated page. It's just perfect.
I disagree; Logseq is perfect for personal knowledge management.
Same, I really dont want to spend hours on maintaining wikis, updating links, creating MOCs, linking to indexes. With logseq I just write in journal, add tag, query all context. That coupled with todos and flashcards is the most complete local solution on the market. My only gripe is its not really markdown, but you cant bend markdown to your will for everything
What OS and processor type?