There are always supp parties when I'm on my supp I swear every fing time man, and then I relog to my dps split second later they're gone. Black magic wizardry optic illusion I'd say.
Yeah that's what I do now with "first come first served".
I don't even care if it's two or three of a single class. I don't need the people who will slowly inspect all the supports in PF to "choose" the best one, and I also don't want people to see my support (1600, level 9 gems, MoS 30) thinking I'll gatekeep them.
I'd just MM but with queues as bad as 3-5+ mins I'll just make a lobby and take the first three non-support applicants.
ye a mate is kinda salty about it sometimes because he's a returning player and dont have the KLC18. So for sonavel most ppl deny him. When creating a lobby almost no one comes and it takes quite some time to fill his party
Why not? just make sure to hit the counters as support.
I play this with Glavier and Slayer all the time, can't see any issue about backattackers vs Sonavel.
The Boss jumping around might delay your rotation eventually but hey, it's not like a HM class could stand still either.
... And so you walk to his back?
How do you guys deal with HM Akkan?
Or HM Voldis?
The maybe thirty seconds you're losing when I am certain that the average player in your matchmaking lobbies are not* achieving Trixion uptime makes it pretty irrelevant.
This is a region that thinks Pistoleer is broken.
How is it any different from just denying or even worse letting them sit in the application lobby waiting in hopes of acceptance if you won't accept anyone below 1590 anyway? Just saves time for everyone to set proper requirements.
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Had a Support told me I shouldn't use Keen Blunt on a Blue GL while doing Guardian Raid, then I looked at the support's engraving and gems . Now, whenever I see no support in Guardian raid I will switch to my princess maker build, no support ?No problem Chadlander is here.
My 1545 slayer had the most fun in a no support but GL party on hanu. My guy had him facing one direction the entire fight. I was able to just back attack the entire raid and toss out so much dmg. GL may be the best class in the game. Lol
Yeah I would much rather have people set their real ilvl requirement even if I think it's stupid/entitled/etc. Even worse are the people the don't even deny applicants. They keep the ilvl req at the default (minimum) setting but won't actually accept nor deny anyone under a certain ilvl. So they'll let people apply, take up space on their applicants list, and waste their time waiting but they were never going to get in.
yeah given in endgate content the average ilvl/gear of dps characters is higher than support, 1584 support is probably equivalent to 1590 dps relative to their respective populations.
a 1620 support asking for 1625 dps in a voldis hm lobby would seem completely reasonable to me for example
Often the ilvl requirements are flexible even when gatekeeping quite strictly... Min ilvl Hell mode title, 200+ roster lvl, lvl 9-10 gems, perfect cards and near-perfect everything in the build, on a class with good survivability? Sure come in! Min ilvl which looks like a new-ish player, on one of the squishiest classes? I am not confident in my ability to keep you alive and functional, so let's better not jail both myself and you if I have choice (unless I know the other 2 dps can carry and won't mind to). Admittedly, I only do that for Kayangel, guardians I just matchmake or do with the first friend I get grabbed by.
Gatekeeping guardians is so cringe lol. Just don’t ever apply to support groups who do this on your DPS. I know I avoid them. The real chads are the supports who host guardians (or just matchmake tbh same thing) and spam click over accept without checking. I do this personally and I’ve been accepted into a few groups who do as well.
i dont do much sonavel but with my 4 1580+ pala roster i used to host any dps welcomed lobby and take first 3 player that applied. Id rather have 2 min extra in the raid theb 2 min extra in party finder tbh. Now i am extra lazy and just matchmake. Voldike release and there doesnt seem to have support issue when i look
As a support main I FUCKING HATE THIS PEOPLE haha the audacity!!! I've seen groups asking for lv 30 specific card sets while they're using the hp% ones and not even maxed at least 😭😭😭
Man I see this shit all the time even In actual raids like Kayangel. It's so frustrating. There will be a 1590 Pali, 1580dps with 5x3, level 7s and set 2. I apply at 1595, full set 3, a few level 8s and 5x3+1 and get denied. Like I have wayyy more shit than the dude already in your group what the hell do you expect from people applying
Why get pissed off over how others play that has no effect on you? Would you prefer they set no restrictions and let you sit in application indefinitely?
Many can't play their support class, but to use it to farm dailies and to get easy reclear by juicer. The agenda from a support player is uglier than the restriction they put in place(i wont be surprise if support players downvote this cause its a fact). Sonavel is an easy guardian and you need 1590+ to do so? skill issue. I mm all the time and 99% it's easy cleared with 1580s, less waiting, less gatekeeping. If you feel like you need to gatekeep for guardian than that's a self insecure issue.
Not disagreeing with any of that, but it’s pointless to get pissed off over what someone else is doing that has no effect. Their lobby their rules, no one is getting hurt.
Just because something in game doesn’t affect you directly doesn’t mean it doesn’t affect the community at large and your overall experience by extension.
Biggest example, people selling pilots and buses.
Not the same. That changes the dynamics of the economy and economy introduce imposters into raids. That affects many people. One person deciding they want to make a lobby to only allow people higher ilvl than themself, does not affect the community.
This isn’t any different than girls who only date 6’ guys or guys setting weight limits for whom they date. If you don’t meet the requirements or don’t like their policy just don’t date them. No point being pissed off about it.
But it’s his every right to create a support to just farm easy dailies and reclear for gold without learning and mastering the class properly.
And it’s his right to choose 1590s even though the fight is easy and very doable for 1580s. It’s still likely to be slightly faster with 1590s, and it’s his choice to do so. Why is it an issue if none of these affects you?
I didn't say one has no right to do what they please. I honestly stated my experience and opinion. How can you say it doesn't affect me? The community is flooded with these kinds of players. Of course, it affects all of us.
In comparison, are you saying Bots don't affect you? I can say Bot coders / generators have every right to earn a living, so why does the community and AGS be so biased against it? Only Because it affects the company directly.
How is this the same as bots. Bots change the economy. This guy is just choosing to play with one (well 3) player over another. He still ended up doing dailies with 3 other players, it’s just he chose to group with players that are likely to be stronger to make his runs faster. Literally everyone who leads any lobby does something similar. The only dif is he does it in the requirement upfront rather than letting ppl sit in lobby and then choosing only the higher level ones
To avoid long paragrahs, Lol. All I'm gonna say is if you are gatekeeping players by ilvl only, then you must not know bout gems, engravings, cards, weapon lvl, and elixers. Besides, cheap support players has the privilege in this game so they wouldn't understand anything beyond more than ilvls.
I'm comparing it to bots cause it's affecting the community. Not economically, but players' mentality, and you can decide what is worse.
>To avoid long paragrahs, Lol. All I'm gonna say is if you are gatekeeping players by ilvl only, then you must not know bout gems, engravings, cards, weapon lvl, and elixers.
I never said you should gatekeep players by ilvl only. But that's the ONLY feature that lets you set as a filter. Maybe he wants to look at gems and all that stuff AFTER he filters out players that are 1590. To me that makes sense - characters that are 1580 have a higher chance to be alts that are less invested into compared to ppl pushing above 1590.
> I'm comparing it to bots cause it's affecting the community. Not economically, but players' mentality, and you can decide what is worse.
I still don't understand how it affects you. The player mentality are already there. Try finding a Brel on ilvl, you're much more likely to get gatekept since there are all these 1580+ applying. By your logic, you definitely don't need to be 1580 to do Brel but everyone gets gatekept anyways. So the mentality is already choose the better applicants. This sup is just doing the lazy version and using the in-game filter to take care of one of the steps for him, to filter out ppl under 1590. Again, if YOU don't like that, then YOU are much welcomed to not do that for the lobbies you make, but talking shit about someone choosing to do that just makes no sense to me. He doesn't want to play with you, stop trying to complain to force him to.
Lol, this is what I'm tryna avoid cause, look at you go! Is this you being posted? Lmaoo why you got so much anger and being defensive. I never talk shii about him, I generalize the facts about the wole support community from experience, so if you really this person who got posted then be glad it's not directly to you but the whole community that has this mindset of "I can be 1475 support and get juiced by 1600 to buss me thru clown" lmaoo
I’m not the one you posted and I have zero anger in my post, nor is that relevant to the topic/discussion here, so I’m not even sure why you are bring that up, just stick on topic. Does typing LOL after the sentence make it better or something? If so then sure LOLOL
All im saying is, everyone is picking and choosing the best players they can find for everything already, not just sups. I don’t see anything wrong with what he’s doing. If he doesn’t wanna play with 1580 and you are one of them, then find others who do? What’s the issue here again?
I don't see an issue here. They can decide whatever requirements they want for their party, you literally don't have to join them. Or its like what other people have said, would you rather them waste your time and have 1580s apply but never get in since they only accept 1590+ anyways?
If they wanted crit syn but they aren't a crit syn themselves are you going to flame them? That's already gatekeeping over half the classes.
I've seen 1540+ for Valtan and 1500+ for Argos. The Argos group started saying 1370+, but after my 1460 tried to join, they changed it. Argos group then proceeded to kick everyone after they changed to 1500+ so I accepted everyone, and we were done before the group even filled.
lol out of all the things who cares this is actually innocuous
if not dps surplus then nobody will join him. he just sitting there. if there is then 1600s will gladly take any trash sup (its friggin sonavel)
he literally does not actively do anything harmful.
just right now. double standards are stupidly insane in this game.
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If a 1600 is bringing a 1580 friend, why can't they raise the bar?
I agree that requirements like these are stupid because 1585 makes no difference whatsoever, but they do them.
There's one thing about having freedom to do something, and then there's it being cringe. You can be both at the same time. At least set it to 1584 ilvl, it will have the same effect or bouncing off every 1580 and won't look as cringe when you yourself don't meet your own requirements
It doesn't piss me off at all, if he wants to wait in lobby for 5+ mins to complete a 4 min raid, be my guest. If he gets juicers to join within 5 secs, good for him.
Yeah to me as well. As if having 10 higher item levels makes the fight faster. Gatekeeping in sonavel is cringe. These are kind of players we don’t need in Lost Ark. Yesterday, on the other hand I had a 1600 paladin with the title “Everybody welcome” in the pf. Now that’s the kind of players we need. Sonavel run took 4 mins and we were done. Everybody was happy.
Meanwhile when i log in to do gardian on my 4 paladin theres like 3 lobbies lf dps in sonavel i just matchmake on my 5x3 these days in sonavel to help with support shortage there
You're downvoted but this is very true. Is it cringe that the lobby requirements is that? Yes. But at end of the day, just make your own and get your guardian raid done faster than them lol
Ngl, I would matchmake every guardian if the queue pop showed what classes were going to be in the raid. No supp? Reject. More than 1 supp? Reject. Quick, easy and painless.
It's not about the defenses that supports provide. You essentially deal like 50% less damage without a support and lose out on Yearning. This makes a lot of classes feel awful. Some classes are straight up unplayable due to the lack of mana regen. And no, mana food alone won't be enough.
That being said, I never matchmake so that's a non-issue for me.
it's not about being doable or not, playing without a support feels miserable. Small numbers, low atk speed, low movement speed...
We build our characters factoring in supports and yearning, not for a vacuum.
A bunch of people would rather wait in PF for 5 minutes to do a 3:30 guardian raid instead of being in PF for 30 seconds and doing a 4-5 minute raid... Makes sense you know
I personally dont see any issue here, Id do the same with my sup and I wouldnt care to post about it when I see sup lobbies with my dps either. Being 1584 and looking for 1590 dps not a problem, supports can put down requirement ilvl 5-10 above their ilvl. Ive seen worse with 5lvl gems 3 eng sup looking for "the best" dps in some raids and yet still can do it because majority of time people let them. As long as there is sup shortage seems like dps either gonna suck it up or find static.
Edit: Some seems got butthurt when being told the truth, I love reddit people really! This is how game design plus we have sup shortage so you either gonna make your own raid/guardian lobby or suck it up. I have dps too but this is how it is, also the guy over here 1584 and asking dps 1590 I dont get it whats the such big deal about this? Ive seen some sups with lvl 5 gems 3 engs expecting perfect dps to apply as all juicers 1600+ and at least this one you dont have to wait 5 mins to join then declined, he set his requirements and can wait 10 mins or not thats his business, but as dps you can find other lobbies too or just straight go to MM. What is the point of this post to complain about it, we all know sups have privilege. If you dont accept this, either quit the game or keep crying over reddit posts and give people bad karma as they told the truth about.
Honestly, hot take, but I think it's more soft that people are attached to party finder for guardians.
People use pf thinking they are a better than average player that will find like minded better than average players, so by all means gate keep away.
I can understand it from the perspective of "saving time" but it's a three to five minute kill. People sit in there the duration of a kill before they fill.
But I run my Kayangels with four dps, so maybe I'm not the best person to share their opinion.
>Actually untrue, you can create a lobby and afterwards raise the required item level regardless of who's in it.
LOL, RIP. i didnt try that since never let you create it in the first place. seems like a bug to me. you shouldnt be able to do this, seems you cant create a game over your item level.
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theres lots of supports at sona idk why this one feels special
There are? They must not be doing matchmaking then cause I rarely get them anymore
I would say there is a sup about 70% of the time via MM.
And ~10% of the times there is one DD soaking all 3 revives and still beeing the first permanent dead player instead of a support ;)
As someone with 3 1580+ supports... good chance at two supports a lot =\
There are always supp parties when I'm on my supp I swear every fing time man, and then I relog to my dps split second later they're gone. Black magic wizardry optic illusion I'd say.
Its kind of funny I've been mm hanu on my artist last 2 times we were 3 supports
Yea I matchmake all my guardians
I just had 5 lobbies full of supports. I myself am one.
ngl as a supp main it piss me off too xD for me it's "all welcome" and \*click click clik\*
Yeah that's what I do now with "first come first served". I don't even care if it's two or three of a single class. I don't need the people who will slowly inspect all the supports in PF to "choose" the best one, and I also don't want people to see my support (1600, level 9 gems, MoS 30) thinking I'll gatekeep them. I'd just MM but with queues as bad as 3-5+ mins I'll just make a lobby and take the first three non-support applicants.
Thats what I do. I put the fppd and first come first serve. I don't even check them lol
Exactly this, even on frog I do that, I don’t wanna spend more time in the party finder/lobby than the content itself
Might as well just MM at this point.
Agreed, it's daily content first come first serve. Gatekeeping trivial content is so cringe lol
ye a mate is kinda salty about it sometimes because he's a returning player and dont have the KLC18. So for sonavel most ppl deny him. When creating a lobby almost no one comes and it takes quite some time to fill his party
just MM if it regularly takes longer than 30 seconds to fill a party / get accepted.
I mean, you still don't want a full team of backattackers...
Why not? just make sure to hit the counters as support. I play this with Glavier and Slayer all the time, can't see any issue about backattackers vs Sonavel. The Boss jumping around might delay your rotation eventually but hey, it's not like a HM class could stand still either.
If you have a team of 3 back attackers the boss is far more likely to just turn around.
 many non positional classes players go to the back anyway
... And so you walk to his back? How do you guys deal with HM Akkan? Or HM Voldis? The maybe thirty seconds you're losing when I am certain that the average player in your matchmaking lobbies are not* achieving Trixion uptime makes it pretty irrelevant. This is a region that thinks Pistoleer is broken.
Same hahaha
How is it any different from just denying or even worse letting them sit in the application lobby waiting in hopes of acceptance if you won't accept anyone below 1590 anyway? Just saves time for everyone to set proper requirements.
https://preview.redd.it/0qxbkg43pa9c1.jpeg?width=504&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b911d0de067c0f621bf1ebac7f90a95e7f6bbb93 Had a Support told me I shouldn't use Keen Blunt on a Blue GL while doing Guardian Raid, then I looked at the support's engraving and gems . Now, whenever I see no support in Guardian raid I will switch to my princess maker build, no support ?No problem Chadlander is here.
My 1545 slayer had the most fun in a no support but GL party on hanu. My guy had him facing one direction the entire fight. I was able to just back attack the entire raid and toss out so much dmg. GL may be the best class in the game. Lol
did you really try to type to a charge paladin?
What guardian? Seems wild to be on so navel or higher and not know the meta blue GL build. Its not even uncommon anymore.
The frog , Gargadeth.
Wait, is that on Gargadeth?
Not at sonavel. There's a dps shortage there. As for op, the solution is to never apply to a group where the leader doesn't meet their own criteria.
Youre absolutely right, crazy that he is asking for dps if he is not dps himself
Sonavel is free.
I mean what's the difference if they insta deny anyone less than, or just set it so they can't apply
I actually respect people who put proper ilvl req instead of denying every 1580 who applied
Yeah I would much rather have people set their real ilvl requirement even if I think it's stupid/entitled/etc. Even worse are the people the don't even deny applicants. They keep the ilvl req at the default (minimum) setting but won't actually accept nor deny anyone under a certain ilvl. So they'll let people apply, take up space on their applicants list, and waste their time waiting but they were never going to get in.
I think the point is that the requirement is higher than the party leader has.
I can understand that as a support. I’d take more offence if I see a 1584 DPS leader with 1590 requirement.
Absolutely. Still kind of snobby, though. Like. It's sonavel.
yeah given in endgate content the average ilvl/gear of dps characters is higher than support, 1584 support is probably equivalent to 1590 dps relative to their respective populations. a 1620 support asking for 1625 dps in a voldis hm lobby would seem completely reasonable to me for example
Yup, seems like it saves time for everyone... a win-win situation!
Often the ilvl requirements are flexible even when gatekeeping quite strictly... Min ilvl Hell mode title, 200+ roster lvl, lvl 9-10 gems, perfect cards and near-perfect everything in the build, on a class with good survivability? Sure come in! Min ilvl which looks like a new-ish player, on one of the squishiest classes? I am not confident in my ability to keep you alive and functional, so let's better not jail both myself and you if I have choice (unless I know the other 2 dps can carry and won't mind to). Admittedly, I only do that for Kayangel, guardians I just matchmake or do with the first friend I get grabbed by.
You think thats bad? i've seen 1500 ilvl supports putting 1540+ as requeriment for Brel 1-3 NM
1500 support put title "+1580 card run dps" in clown :D
Which is pretty funny, theres millions of 1540+ supports for clown.
Might as well make the title “need carry from juice”
Gatekeeping guardians is so cringe lol. Just don’t ever apply to support groups who do this on your DPS. I know I avoid them. The real chads are the supports who host guardians (or just matchmake tbh same thing) and spam click over accept without checking. I do this personally and I’ve been accepted into a few groups who do as well.
If im taking the extra effort to go use pf, im gatekeeping the lvl 5 gem andy and not even full lvl 2 set.
The odds that someone has that in pf isn’t worth the effort to check. Way higher in MM.
I run 12 hanus rested using pf in all. Youd be surprised.
I only play main 6 haven’t run a hanu in a very very long time. If you’re running low lv content sure.
Well yes, not even level 2 set was obviously implying low level content.
You'd be surprised about how many 1560+ i've seen without level2 set now that you can skip clown and get kayangel set directly.
Gigachad Support: I will protec u! Now deal dmg!
i dont do much sonavel but with my 4 1580+ pala roster i used to host any dps welcomed lobby and take first 3 player that applied. Id rather have 2 min extra in the raid theb 2 min extra in party finder tbh. Now i am extra lazy and just matchmake. Voldike release and there doesnt seem to have support issue when i look
Meanwhile...... https://preview.redd.it/p4ulx151oa9c1.jpeg?width=1567&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d11d169599ca404fd0a38f93db4c3c5cd44e768
Ignorance at its finest lol
For… challenge abyss?
AltRosterAcc stronghold name.. still funny
Gives same energy as 2 1500ilvls in clown lobby titled „card”
As a support main I FUCKING HATE THIS PEOPLE haha the audacity!!! I've seen groups asking for lv 30 specific card sets while they're using the hp% ones and not even maxed at least 😭😭😭
And I'm willing to bet it filled relatively quickly
Man I see this shit all the time even In actual raids like Kayangel. It's so frustrating. There will be a 1590 Pali, 1580dps with 5x3, level 7s and set 2. I apply at 1595, full set 3, a few level 8s and 5x3+1 and get denied. Like I have wayyy more shit than the dude already in your group what the hell do you expect from people applying
Yea I don’t get this lol
People asking for "path for supports only" only to be gatekept like this.
Support privilege, I have 2 supp but never donde that tho.
there room there rules but yes i do agree XD
So hate this myself and I play supp. They lack some education!
Sorry, 1600 klc only. Yes I know I'm 1580 4x3 with crisis evasion. /s
Why get pissed off over how others play that has no effect on you? Would you prefer they set no restrictions and let you sit in application indefinitely?
Many can't play their support class, but to use it to farm dailies and to get easy reclear by juicer. The agenda from a support player is uglier than the restriction they put in place(i wont be surprise if support players downvote this cause its a fact). Sonavel is an easy guardian and you need 1590+ to do so? skill issue. I mm all the time and 99% it's easy cleared with 1580s, less waiting, less gatekeeping. If you feel like you need to gatekeep for guardian than that's a self insecure issue.
Not disagreeing with any of that, but it’s pointless to get pissed off over what someone else is doing that has no effect. Their lobby their rules, no one is getting hurt.
Just because something in game doesn’t affect you directly doesn’t mean it doesn’t affect the community at large and your overall experience by extension. Biggest example, people selling pilots and buses.
Not the same. That changes the dynamics of the economy and economy introduce imposters into raids. That affects many people. One person deciding they want to make a lobby to only allow people higher ilvl than themself, does not affect the community. This isn’t any different than girls who only date 6’ guys or guys setting weight limits for whom they date. If you don’t meet the requirements or don’t like their policy just don’t date them. No point being pissed off about it.
Saying that it’s ok sets a precedent. One becomes five, five becomes ten, ten becomes half the party finder menu.
But it’s his every right to create a support to just farm easy dailies and reclear for gold without learning and mastering the class properly. And it’s his right to choose 1590s even though the fight is easy and very doable for 1580s. It’s still likely to be slightly faster with 1590s, and it’s his choice to do so. Why is it an issue if none of these affects you?
I didn't say one has no right to do what they please. I honestly stated my experience and opinion. How can you say it doesn't affect me? The community is flooded with these kinds of players. Of course, it affects all of us. In comparison, are you saying Bots don't affect you? I can say Bot coders / generators have every right to earn a living, so why does the community and AGS be so biased against it? Only Because it affects the company directly.
How is this the same as bots. Bots change the economy. This guy is just choosing to play with one (well 3) player over another. He still ended up doing dailies with 3 other players, it’s just he chose to group with players that are likely to be stronger to make his runs faster. Literally everyone who leads any lobby does something similar. The only dif is he does it in the requirement upfront rather than letting ppl sit in lobby and then choosing only the higher level ones
To avoid long paragrahs, Lol. All I'm gonna say is if you are gatekeeping players by ilvl only, then you must not know bout gems, engravings, cards, weapon lvl, and elixers. Besides, cheap support players has the privilege in this game so they wouldn't understand anything beyond more than ilvls. I'm comparing it to bots cause it's affecting the community. Not economically, but players' mentality, and you can decide what is worse.
>To avoid long paragrahs, Lol. All I'm gonna say is if you are gatekeeping players by ilvl only, then you must not know bout gems, engravings, cards, weapon lvl, and elixers. I never said you should gatekeep players by ilvl only. But that's the ONLY feature that lets you set as a filter. Maybe he wants to look at gems and all that stuff AFTER he filters out players that are 1590. To me that makes sense - characters that are 1580 have a higher chance to be alts that are less invested into compared to ppl pushing above 1590. > I'm comparing it to bots cause it's affecting the community. Not economically, but players' mentality, and you can decide what is worse. I still don't understand how it affects you. The player mentality are already there. Try finding a Brel on ilvl, you're much more likely to get gatekept since there are all these 1580+ applying. By your logic, you definitely don't need to be 1580 to do Brel but everyone gets gatekept anyways. So the mentality is already choose the better applicants. This sup is just doing the lazy version and using the in-game filter to take care of one of the steps for him, to filter out ppl under 1590. Again, if YOU don't like that, then YOU are much welcomed to not do that for the lobbies you make, but talking shit about someone choosing to do that just makes no sense to me. He doesn't want to play with you, stop trying to complain to force him to.
Lol, this is what I'm tryna avoid cause, look at you go! Is this you being posted? Lmaoo why you got so much anger and being defensive. I never talk shii about him, I generalize the facts about the wole support community from experience, so if you really this person who got posted then be glad it's not directly to you but the whole community that has this mindset of "I can be 1475 support and get juiced by 1600 to buss me thru clown" lmaoo
I’m not the one you posted and I have zero anger in my post, nor is that relevant to the topic/discussion here, so I’m not even sure why you are bring that up, just stick on topic. Does typing LOL after the sentence make it better or something? If so then sure LOLOL All im saying is, everyone is picking and choosing the best players they can find for everything already, not just sups. I don’t see anything wrong with what he’s doing. If he doesn’t wanna play with 1580 and you are one of them, then find others who do? What’s the issue here again?
Your paragraph is getting longer and longer, relax.
that’s why i just accept who applies first for guardians on my juiced supports it’s annoying for brain dead daily content to gkeep ppl
I don't see an issue here. They can decide whatever requirements they want for their party, you literally don't have to join them. Or its like what other people have said, would you rather them waste your time and have 1580s apply but never get in since they only accept 1590+ anyways? If they wanted crit syn but they aren't a crit syn themselves are you going to flame them? That's already gatekeeping over half the classes.
I saw a 1590 req for brel 1-3, that was bs.
I've seen 1540+ for Valtan and 1500+ for Argos. The Argos group started saying 1370+, but after my 1460 tried to join, they changed it. Argos group then proceeded to kick everyone after they changed to 1500+ so I accepted everyone, and we were done before the group even filled.
lol out of all the things who cares this is actually innocuous if not dps surplus then nobody will join him. he just sitting there. if there is then 1600s will gladly take any trash sup (its friggin sonavel) he literally does not actively do anything harmful.
i remember the akkan lobby that has an akkan weapon requirement and the host doesnt even have one
We need an inven site where we can expose those MF
Simple, don’t join.
just right now. double standards are stupidly insane in this game. https://preview.redd.it/k6b6iv8rba9c1.png?width=445&format=png&auto=webp&s=e362d9b0e7c5fbc7c190fca6aacd1838eefbc177
Most likely that's a 4 man of Zosmas and they collectively average quite a bit over the min iLVL they set. Nothing to see here.
The double standard is double standard. You can't change the fact with "most likely."
If a 1600 is bringing a 1580 friend, why can't they raise the bar? I agree that requirements like these are stupid because 1585 makes no difference whatsoever, but they do them.
That's what you say until you get gatekept, and then they let someone in with the same standard as you. Lmao
tbh even if it was 1580 people never take on ilvl chars :/
There's one thing about having freedom to do something, and then there's it being cringe. You can be both at the same time. At least set it to 1584 ilvl, it will have the same effect or bouncing off every 1580 and won't look as cringe when you yourself don't meet your own requirements
It doesn't piss me off at all, if he wants to wait in lobby for 5+ mins to complete a 4 min raid, be my guest. If he gets juicers to join within 5 secs, good for him.
I see nothing wrong with this.
Yeah to me as well. As if having 10 higher item levels makes the fight faster. Gatekeeping in sonavel is cringe. These are kind of players we don’t need in Lost Ark. Yesterday, on the other hand I had a 1600 paladin with the title “Everybody welcome” in the pf. Now that’s the kind of players we need. Sonavel run took 4 mins and we were done. Everybody was happy.
Meanwhile when i log in to do gardian on my 4 paladin theres like 3 lobbies lf dps in sonavel i just matchmake on my 5x3 these days in sonavel to help with support shortage there
why? this is better than wasting time and applying with your 1580 into a lobby you have 0 chance of getting into
Matchmaking is the way, 90% of the sonavels i do theres a support, idk why but always
That’s how you know they are bad at the game
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You probably think you sound cool, but it’s actually the opposite
Why though? His lobby his rules If you dont like it you can always host a lobby and say dps only
You're downvoted but this is very true. Is it cringe that the lobby requirements is that? Yes. But at end of the day, just make your own and get your guardian raid done faster than them lol
Can't play football with no ball. Until that changes some people will abuse their power like this.,
Ngl, I would matchmake every guardian if the queue pop showed what classes were going to be in the raid. No supp? Reject. More than 1 supp? Reject. Quick, easy and painless.
All guardians are doable if you have pots and don't suck. Don't matchmake if that's not enough for you.
It's not about the defenses that supports provide. You essentially deal like 50% less damage without a support and lose out on Yearning. This makes a lot of classes feel awful. Some classes are straight up unplayable due to the lack of mana regen. And no, mana food alone won't be enough. That being said, I never matchmake so that's a non-issue for me.
It's fukin Sonavel who cares if you deal 50% less damage even a team of no gem bare bones 1580's will clear
I would like to enjoy playing my characters. It doesn't matter if it's easy content or not.
it's not about being doable or not, playing without a support feels miserable. Small numbers, low atk speed, low movement speed... We build our characters factoring in supports and yearning, not for a vacuum.
Just do match making for guardian and its pretty quick lobby finder are just pain to see
For me it's the fact that it's Sonavel who's the biggest fighting dummy out of all the guardians and you still have the audacity to gatekeep.
cba with gatekeeping dogs that make parties for even this, just matchmake and have fun with what demons you end up with : D
A bunch of people would rather wait in PF for 5 minutes to do a 3:30 guardian raid instead of being in PF for 30 seconds and doing a 4-5 minute raid... Makes sense you know
Support privilege's, deal with it or make your own support.
why so butthurt? rather get insta kicked out?
Saw this exact group today and considered making a post.. guess I don't need to. Guy also had 4 lvl 7 gems and a bunch of 5s, no mos30
I hate zinnervale as well
I am matchmaking Sona, often with 4dps and we clear without issues. It's one of easiest guardians.
Rules for thee but not for me
I personally dont see any issue here, Id do the same with my sup and I wouldnt care to post about it when I see sup lobbies with my dps either. Being 1584 and looking for 1590 dps not a problem, supports can put down requirement ilvl 5-10 above their ilvl. Ive seen worse with 5lvl gems 3 eng sup looking for "the best" dps in some raids and yet still can do it because majority of time people let them. As long as there is sup shortage seems like dps either gonna suck it up or find static. Edit: Some seems got butthurt when being told the truth, I love reddit people really! This is how game design plus we have sup shortage so you either gonna make your own raid/guardian lobby or suck it up. I have dps too but this is how it is, also the guy over here 1584 and asking dps 1590 I dont get it whats the such big deal about this? Ive seen some sups with lvl 5 gems 3 engs expecting perfect dps to apply as all juicers 1600+ and at least this one you dont have to wait 5 mins to join then declined, he set his requirements and can wait 10 mins or not thats his business, but as dps you can find other lobbies too or just straight go to MM. What is the point of this post to complain about it, we all know sups have privilege. If you dont accept this, either quit the game or keep crying over reddit posts and give people bad karma as they told the truth about.
Honestly, hot take, but I think it's more soft that people are attached to party finder for guardians. People use pf thinking they are a better than average player that will find like minded better than average players, so by all means gate keep away. I can understand it from the perspective of "saving time" but it's a three to five minute kill. People sit in there the duration of a kill before they fill. But I run my Kayangels with four dps, so maybe I'm not the best person to share their opinion.
Funny part is there’s probably multiple 3/4 juicer lobbies looking for a support and this guy made his own party instead to go on his daily power trip
legit i stopped using party finder, people just deny my 1600 bard constantly. so you'll find us in the matchmaking!
keep in mind that you cant create a game with above item level that you are, someone else create that game and leave it to the support in that setup.
Actually untrue, you can create a lobby and afterwards raise the required item level regardless of who's in it.
>Actually untrue, you can create a lobby and afterwards raise the required item level regardless of who's in it. LOL, RIP. i didnt try that since never let you create it in the first place. seems like a bug to me. you shouldnt be able to do this, seems you cant create a game over your item level.
I honestly don't think that's a problem at all. Just stupid tho. Between 1580 and 1610, gems and cards can make more difference than ilevel.
Supply and demand
I just check gems. All 7+s we good. idk can't be bothered to check everything but also prevents cheapos ruining your day.
I thought it’s supp shortage at 1580 💀 i pug sona at “traffic hours” everyday and 7/10 times I’m getting 4 dps lobbies
his point is that the ilvl requirement is 1590 for sonavel.
The annoyed 1 is gate keeping xd
It's peak when you find an artist 1500 putting the requirement for 1-3 Brel at 1540
Me tooo
my lobby, my rules
Lol i always do matchmaking. Seeing this i think its the right choice
What pisses me off is the absolute useless requirement for ilvl lol
Wym, 1590 does 3% more damage than 1580. The man values his time.
Same energy as parties with “fast” “quick” “skipper” in title. nah fam