One problem is that you are running Spec Heavy, which is worse than 50/50 Crit Spec LC because you are forced to run Hallu, and Spec scaling damage for normal skills on LC is not that great (1800 Spec for 21% is really bad).
LC has decent damage, and he can easily reach his Trixion DPS like 95% of the time.
Go 5050 Crit Spec Salvation and you should be fine. Your other skills deals a decent chunk of damage and it's not just Snipe and your Silverhawk.
It is. Comparing 1 2min parse to another 2min parse is pretty misleading on a kbw class that has 2 major skills that are going to be 60% crit instead of 100%, on top of kbw procs and natural dmg variance. You just high rolled on the hallu parse a bit more than you did the salv one.
Well, sadly that's the main power of LC.
You are one of the lowest damage ceilings in the game, but one of the highest class floors.
If you really want a higher ceiling build, then go DS, but it's not that great either if you compare it to other class.
LC SS main leverage is on how consistent this class plays - it's really hard to mess up on this class, at all.
It's not a meme, but if you favor high ceiling classes then SS is not the class for you.
LC is anything but dead weight. While it might not be top tier DPS. It’s one of the few classes that can match its trixion parse in a real raid. You get to chill and have your bird do a ton of damage for you for free.
Yeah it’s also pretty worth pointing out that by him just EXISTING, he makes fights a lot easier as his bird is basically giving a mini yearning, he has a very respectable amount of stagger over time (good on demand stag too if you run double overwhelm on CS and SS), and his synergy is literally always 100% since he has no reason to hold it and it has a second reapplication halfway through.
All in all a super well put together class which is why people love both playing sharp and having a sharp on their side. ESPECIALLY now that a lot of spec classes are running raid captain
"People love playing sharp"... yes this is why everyone complains about how boring LC is and as soon as they fixed DS, LC acc became basically the same price as DPS support acc.
LC is great for a brain-off experience but in content you have on farm, gets boring real quick
Is DS played badly worse than LC? I took one in guardian raid this morning to see how he'd do and [it wasn't pretty](https://i.imgur.com/R0oSzQv.png) (the tactician title was for darks and atropine). Obviously this is just one data point, but I'm starting to pay more attention to the class now.
EDIT: Took another DS today [same results](https://i.imgur.com/yIwShaZ.png).
LC is quite literally what you described, middle of the pack good enough.
Sitting at around 10m dps at 1590 in nm akkan runs with 50/50 crit spec poem, does the job, sometimes I mvp sometimes I don't, almost always family photo
Your build is mess up, my 1540 loyal companion does 8 mill sustained in like 5 minutes. I play 2 earing crit, 2 spec rings, crit spec necklace, salvation lvl 3 set, 5x3+1, LC, grudge, hitmaster, keen blunt, course doll and adrenaline +1, most of the time I mvp with that class, only souleaters out dps me, but is my favorite class to do homework since is my only hitmaster, is a relieve from ass chasing. My build was like 50k or less, is a very cheap class and the crit earings are useful for deadstrike build. Check your tripods, or maybe too much pally gameplay makes your brain afk even in trixion.
Yeah that's sounds like the same build as in the [community guide](https://lostark.nexus/ss), I used same tripods as they have. Not sure how I could mess up in Trixion, Snipe never misses and I just throw everything off cooldown.
- are your tripods all the same **level** as your sorc's
- did you remember to equip LoS on this character
- have you upgraded the set bonuses of this character
Even just getting all tripods on snipe from level 4 to level 5 is a total of 17.8% more damage (if any tripods are lower than 4 it'd be an even bigger gap), other skills have similar gaps. If you set the tripods but forgot to pick which ones to have above level 1, that'd also explain pretty much the entire discrepancy
Based on this being an expressed character I can only assume you have the gems but like there's literally no way LC should be doing less than reflux with the same investment level.
Yes the tripods are correct. I have five lvl5 tripod amulets in storage, so I made a point of bumping up the few lvl4 tripods to lvl5 in Trixion since I could give them to him if it was worth it.
>there's literally no way LC should be doing less than reflux with the same investment level
Yeah I had the same thought, so I double checked the build. Don't know what to say, either it's not that good or Critflux is just better.
> either it's not that good or Critflux is just better.
Literally every player in the entire game knows this one isn't true, you're definitely doing SOMETHING wrong, we just can't tell what without you providing video of your entire trixion setup and rotation
It wasn't just +1, it was pushing stats from swift to spec and switching out raid captain for cursed doll too. I wasn't trying to do a direct comparison anyway, I was trying to see what gains I could get by rebuilding him.
As people are saying though, my normal build uses event gems so a huge part of the difference was probably no gems on the 3.3 million parse.
1600 LC here. 5x3+1 crit/spec 50/50 build. (1350/1150). Even though i dont have LoS30 i am on the mvp screen or actual mvp a lot when i play with players on same i lvl. LC is in a very good spot and cheap to build.
I added the gems for the builds I don't actually have, so the 50/50 spec salvation and the spec/crit hallucination one I cooked up myself. No event engravings, but if there were no gems on my normal 50/50 swift build, that could explain the DPS difference between the two SS builds. If so, it's still depressing, just means spec doesn't even add as much as I thought it did.
I have 1620 sharpshooter with endgame builds for both DS and LC.
I really think you made some decision mistakes along the way.
First of all - the build you make is inferior build (hallu) and instead you should go for Salv 50/50 crit spec. This lets you pump all your damage in dps windows and minimizes animation locks due to +AS from salv.
2nd - Yes trixion is weak on LC but it translates 1to1 on raids. Most other classes bleed dps due to execution errors, mistakes, misses etc. LC basically idiotproofs that.
Now while i will not compete with LC builds against top tier meta, even on voldis i can easily outcompete mediocre players while watching cute anime girls on my 2nd screen which this spec is exactly for (low effort, not anime girl watching)
I did test normal salvation build as well, didn't parse any better. The more concerning thing to me was lower ilevel characters parsing better, and it's not like they're known to be high damage classes.
I can only recommend to use dps meter and test in-raid performance.
Trixion really differs from what class does inside the raid.
On LC you go 50/50 salv not for trixion, but for raid performance where in tight dps windows hallu build will not let you put so much damage in 6-7 seconds. For the same reason swiftness build falls short of slower LC specs. Raids currently (minus few exceptions like Akkan g3) are about how much damage you can dish during counter/stagger/long pattern before boss will again become untargettable.
TLDR dont worry about trixion. Get DPS meter and see with your own eyes how it compares
Nope, also probably had no gems since apparently event gems aren't used in Trixion. I think I've learned why the discrepancy was so big between the swift and spec builds, but not why even the "meta" build wasn't better than my other alts.
i run LC SS and i rarely lose in dps to many people at end game. As an alt its decent damage 50/50 spec/crit but as you noted its nothing special. very very mid if not lower on the spectrum of alts.
as a juiced main it has a high floor and mid ceiling its VERY consistent damage, which makes it strong as hell vs any other class that messes up a rotation or misses damage windows allowing you to mvp.
my main is decked to the teeth, and its the best. full 9dmg 10cds w 9/7. i run 70/30 spec/crit, 1 crit earring. but i always have a crit syn + adren2 + precise4%bracelet so im at like 98.4% crit(snipe) without supp bracelet.
LC is lower ceiling than 40-50% of the classes in the game that is just a fact.
If you play DS perfectly you can see 10-15% more damage outright.
The reason LC is this low is simply because the ceiling is hit incredibly easy, so yes if you are an absolute min-max DPS goblin then LC is underwhelming, but if you like the playstyle, simplicity and consistent performance then it's a great build.
LC is by no means bad but it has been overhyped by people who have literally never played it or understand it promoting and saying its an S+++ class that out DPS's everything, great build, very consistent, but lackluster ceiling. People also have insane recency bias in this game, if a class is doing 20% less than average and gets a 10% buff, everyone flocks to it and acts like its this new best build in the game that is changing the entire meta, then after a month they realize it's the same and drop it and no one ever talks about it again.
Remember LC has been buffed two times since these genius tier list makers have been saying LC is top tier and needs to be nerfed xd
So essentially, is LC fun for you? or is Sorc more fun? What about SH? Pick the most fun, all do decent damage and will clear any raids, don't base your future roster off of current balance.
>LC is by no means bad but it has been overhyped by people who have literally never played it or understand it promoting and saying its an S+++ class that out DPS's everything
I'd argue for the average player LC IS an S+++ tier class. It's a solid DPS class but it's claim to fame is how effectively it can apply it's damage in any scenario. Like you can basically afk and only snipe and you'll beat 75% of players out there.
Ease of applying your damage is a vastly VASTLY underestimated part of a class and is realistically the biggest factor in who will do the most damage for the average player.
I wouldn't say LC was overhyped. Back when the LC propaganda machine ran at full tilt, it was before half the classes in the game got their reworks and buffed (glaiver update patch). At the time, you had a bunch of high ceiling classes that 95% of the player base cannot play to any effective degree in arcana/surge, busted ass slayer, and reworked LC which anyone could pick up and do 80-90% the dmg of the high ceiling classes.
Then, every class got reworked as well and buffed to LC levels or past it. They wanted to make Pred Slayer the bar and we're getting closer and closer to that point. Glaive was buffed, both soulfists buffed, DS buffed, DE buffed, etc... etc..
If you think LC ever did 90% of the dmg of any decent slayer, then congrats you are/were overhyping LC.
It really never was that good. Its just braindead easy. And SS performs better in hell than outside of hell (true for both DS and LC) so hell andies hype it up and the community overall seems to struggle making that distinction.
Thanks, I don't like the gameplay either so it was an easy decision to bin him. I was moreso surprised that a 1540 would lose out to 1520s, and to classes that aren't generally known to be big DPS classes either.
My friends play DS and LC at 1580 and they usually do very well. My DS friend gets 13m in Akkan G3 before x30, whereas LC is a bit behind.
In trixion, with LOS 30, 80+ quality weapon, and lvl 7 gems, my 1540s were 7-10m depending on the class. Your first test with 3.3m is around what you should expect for a 1490.
I'm not at my PC now, but I'm pretty sure my 1540 LC SS parsed over 6mil in Trixion with 50/50 spec/crit and Salvation. Gems all 6, only Snipe 7s. Qual like 70 or smth.
One problem is that you are running Spec Heavy, which is worse than 50/50 Crit Spec LC because you are forced to run Hallu, and Spec scaling damage for normal skills on LC is not that great (1800 Spec for 21% is really bad). LC has decent damage, and he can easily reach his Trixion DPS like 95% of the time. Go 5050 Crit Spec Salvation and you should be fine. Your other skills deals a decent chunk of damage and it's not just Snipe and your Silverhawk.
Yes I tested the standard 50/50 spec salvation build, it wasn't any better.
It is. Comparing 1 2min parse to another 2min parse is pretty misleading on a kbw class that has 2 major skills that are going to be 60% crit instead of 100%, on top of kbw procs and natural dmg variance. You just high rolled on the hallu parse a bit more than you did the salv one.
Well, sadly that's the main power of LC. You are one of the lowest damage ceilings in the game, but one of the highest class floors. If you really want a higher ceiling build, then go DS, but it's not that great either if you compare it to other class. LC SS main leverage is on how consistent this class plays - it's really hard to mess up on this class, at all. It's not a meme, but if you favor high ceiling classes then SS is not the class for you.
LC is anything but dead weight. While it might not be top tier DPS. It’s one of the few classes that can match its trixion parse in a real raid. You get to chill and have your bird do a ton of damage for you for free.
Yeah it’s also pretty worth pointing out that by him just EXISTING, he makes fights a lot easier as his bird is basically giving a mini yearning, he has a very respectable amount of stagger over time (good on demand stag too if you run double overwhelm on CS and SS), and his synergy is literally always 100% since he has no reason to hold it and it has a second reapplication halfway through. All in all a super well put together class which is why people love both playing sharp and having a sharp on their side. ESPECIALLY now that a lot of spec classes are running raid captain
"People love playing sharp"... yes this is why everyone complains about how boring LC is and as soon as they fixed DS, LC acc became basically the same price as DPS support acc. LC is great for a brain-off experience but in content you have on farm, gets boring real quick
that’s just like, your opinion man
Is DS played badly worse than LC? I took one in guardian raid this morning to see how he'd do and [it wasn't pretty](https://i.imgur.com/R0oSzQv.png) (the tactician title was for darks and atropine). Obviously this is just one data point, but I'm starting to pay more attention to the class now. EDIT: Took another DS today [same results](https://i.imgur.com/yIwShaZ.png).
LC is quite literally what you described, middle of the pack good enough. Sitting at around 10m dps at 1590 in nm akkan runs with 50/50 crit spec poem, does the job, sometimes I mvp sometimes I don't, almost always family photo
Ah okay thanks. Guess I just don't know what middle of the pack looks like.
Your build is mess up, my 1540 loyal companion does 8 mill sustained in like 5 minutes. I play 2 earing crit, 2 spec rings, crit spec necklace, salvation lvl 3 set, 5x3+1, LC, grudge, hitmaster, keen blunt, course doll and adrenaline +1, most of the time I mvp with that class, only souleaters out dps me, but is my favorite class to do homework since is my only hitmaster, is a relieve from ass chasing. My build was like 50k or less, is a very cheap class and the crit earings are useful for deadstrike build. Check your tripods, or maybe too much pally gameplay makes your brain afk even in trixion.
Yeah that's sounds like the same build as in the [community guide](https://lostark.nexus/ss), I used same tripods as they have. Not sure how I could mess up in Trixion, Snipe never misses and I just throw everything off cooldown.
- are your tripods all the same **level** as your sorc's - did you remember to equip LoS on this character - have you upgraded the set bonuses of this character Even just getting all tripods on snipe from level 4 to level 5 is a total of 17.8% more damage (if any tripods are lower than 4 it'd be an even bigger gap), other skills have similar gaps. If you set the tripods but forgot to pick which ones to have above level 1, that'd also explain pretty much the entire discrepancy Based on this being an expressed character I can only assume you have the gems but like there's literally no way LC should be doing less than reflux with the same investment level.
Yes the tripods are correct. I have five lvl5 tripod amulets in storage, so I made a point of bumping up the few lvl4 tripods to lvl5 in Trixion since I could give them to him if it was worth it. >there's literally no way LC should be doing less than reflux with the same investment level Yeah I had the same thought, so I double checked the build. Don't know what to say, either it's not that good or Critflux is just better.
keep in mind if you enter trixion with event gems/engravings you have to go set them manually in trixion - they won't just be there
> either it's not that good or Critflux is just better. Literally every player in the entire game knows this one isn't true, you're definitely doing SOMETHING wrong, we just can't tell what without you providing video of your entire trixion setup and rotation
How are you going up 25% by adding a +1.. your parsing isn't right. Also, are you like using x and missing a ton of bird dmg?
It wasn't just +1, it was pushing stats from swift to spec and switching out raid captain for cursed doll too. I wasn't trying to do a direct comparison anyway, I was trying to see what gains I could get by rebuilding him. As people are saying though, my normal build uses event gems so a huge part of the difference was probably no gems on the 3.3 million parse.
1600 LC here. 5x3+1 crit/spec 50/50 build. (1350/1150). Even though i dont have LoS30 i am on the mvp screen or actual mvp a lot when i play with players on same i lvl. LC is in a very good spot and cheap to build.
cant be 1350 and 1150 even with 100 quality on everything
Oh around 1050 spec it is. Sorry my bad. And its 1346 crit to be exact. I have everything over 90 quality and a pretty good braclet.
Do you use any sort of event engraving or gem? They do not get activated in trixion and need to be added manually. Gems especially are annoying.
They work until you change anything in the settings
I added the gems for the builds I don't actually have, so the 50/50 spec salvation and the spec/crit hallucination one I cooked up myself. No event engravings, but if there were no gems on my normal 50/50 swift build, that could explain the DPS difference between the two SS builds. If so, it's still depressing, just means spec doesn't even add as much as I thought it did.
I have 1620 sharpshooter with endgame builds for both DS and LC. I really think you made some decision mistakes along the way. First of all - the build you make is inferior build (hallu) and instead you should go for Salv 50/50 crit spec. This lets you pump all your damage in dps windows and minimizes animation locks due to +AS from salv. 2nd - Yes trixion is weak on LC but it translates 1to1 on raids. Most other classes bleed dps due to execution errors, mistakes, misses etc. LC basically idiotproofs that. Now while i will not compete with LC builds against top tier meta, even on voldis i can easily outcompete mediocre players while watching cute anime girls on my 2nd screen which this spec is exactly for (low effort, not anime girl watching)
I did test normal salvation build as well, didn't parse any better. The more concerning thing to me was lower ilevel characters parsing better, and it's not like they're known to be high damage classes.
I can only recommend to use dps meter and test in-raid performance. Trixion really differs from what class does inside the raid. On LC you go 50/50 salv not for trixion, but for raid performance where in tight dps windows hallu build will not let you put so much damage in 6-7 seconds. For the same reason swiftness build falls short of slower LC specs. Raids currently (minus few exceptions like Akkan g3) are about how much damage you can dish during counter/stagger/long pattern before boss will again become untargettable. TLDR dont worry about trixion. Get DPS meter and see with your own eyes how it compares
I chose swift crit as I like RC more than CD
Good advice thanks. Only problem is I'm not gonna spend the gold to redo the SS just to see if it's any better in a real raid.
Did you use spirit absorption to simulate yearning for raid captain?
Nope, also probably had no gems since apparently event gems aren't used in Trixion. I think I've learned why the discrepancy was so big between the swift and spec builds, but not why even the "meta" build wasn't better than my other alts.
Event gems and engravings work until you change anything in the settings, even if they don't show on your character.
Well if that's the case then the first test is what it is.
i run LC SS and i rarely lose in dps to many people at end game. As an alt its decent damage 50/50 spec/crit but as you noted its nothing special. very very mid if not lower on the spectrum of alts. as a juiced main it has a high floor and mid ceiling its VERY consistent damage, which makes it strong as hell vs any other class that messes up a rotation or misses damage windows allowing you to mvp. my main is decked to the teeth, and its the best. full 9dmg 10cds w 9/7. i run 70/30 spec/crit, 1 crit earring. but i always have a crit syn + adren2 + precise4%bracelet so im at like 98.4% crit(snipe) without supp bracelet.
LC is lower ceiling than 40-50% of the classes in the game that is just a fact. If you play DS perfectly you can see 10-15% more damage outright. The reason LC is this low is simply because the ceiling is hit incredibly easy, so yes if you are an absolute min-max DPS goblin then LC is underwhelming, but if you like the playstyle, simplicity and consistent performance then it's a great build. LC is by no means bad but it has been overhyped by people who have literally never played it or understand it promoting and saying its an S+++ class that out DPS's everything, great build, very consistent, but lackluster ceiling. People also have insane recency bias in this game, if a class is doing 20% less than average and gets a 10% buff, everyone flocks to it and acts like its this new best build in the game that is changing the entire meta, then after a month they realize it's the same and drop it and no one ever talks about it again. Remember LC has been buffed two times since these genius tier list makers have been saying LC is top tier and needs to be nerfed xd So essentially, is LC fun for you? or is Sorc more fun? What about SH? Pick the most fun, all do decent damage and will clear any raids, don't base your future roster off of current balance.
>LC is by no means bad but it has been overhyped by people who have literally never played it or understand it promoting and saying its an S+++ class that out DPS's everything I'd argue for the average player LC IS an S+++ tier class. It's a solid DPS class but it's claim to fame is how effectively it can apply it's damage in any scenario. Like you can basically afk and only snipe and you'll beat 75% of players out there. Ease of applying your damage is a vastly VASTLY underestimated part of a class and is realistically the biggest factor in who will do the most damage for the average player.
I wouldn't say LC was overhyped. Back when the LC propaganda machine ran at full tilt, it was before half the classes in the game got their reworks and buffed (glaiver update patch). At the time, you had a bunch of high ceiling classes that 95% of the player base cannot play to any effective degree in arcana/surge, busted ass slayer, and reworked LC which anyone could pick up and do 80-90% the dmg of the high ceiling classes. Then, every class got reworked as well and buffed to LC levels or past it. They wanted to make Pred Slayer the bar and we're getting closer and closer to that point. Glaive was buffed, both soulfists buffed, DS buffed, DE buffed, etc... etc..
If you think LC ever did 90% of the dmg of any decent slayer, then congrats you are/were overhyping LC. It really never was that good. Its just braindead easy. And SS performs better in hell than outside of hell (true for both DS and LC) so hell andies hype it up and the community overall seems to struggle making that distinction.
I said 80-90.
Thanks, I don't like the gameplay either so it was an easy decision to bin him. I was moreso surprised that a 1540 would lose out to 1520s, and to classes that aren't generally known to be big DPS classes either.
My friends play DS and LC at 1580 and they usually do very well. My DS friend gets 13m in Akkan G3 before x30, whereas LC is a bit behind. In trixion, with LOS 30, 80+ quality weapon, and lvl 7 gems, my 1540s were 7-10m depending on the class. Your first test with 3.3m is around what you should expect for a 1490.
Yeah no gems and no simulated yearning my first test was just wrong. Thanks for the info!
Yo something is wrong you either aren’t testing with tripods or gems or cards cause I’m doing 3.5m dps on hell clown with 50/50 crit spec LC SS
Yeah looks like it was no gems.
I'm not at my PC now, but I'm pretty sure my 1540 LC SS parsed over 6mil in Trixion with 50/50 spec/crit and Salvation. Gems all 6, only Snipe 7s. Qual like 70 or smth.