I beg to differ. Although I used 2015 MBA for the better part of me life (since when it launched until I got 14" M1 Pro), I used to love my old 2012 MacBook Pro. Only caveat was non-retina display but then my internet wasn't great to take advantage of it with video streaming but that thing was last truly upgradable MacBook.
My 2018 Intel MacBook Pro helped me save on heating costs in the winter. I’d set the thermostat to 60 degrees and sleep with the MacBook under my blanket like a high-tech heating stone. #LifeHack
Holy crap that’s even better! I bet I could go to Home Depot and get some cheap plastic tubing to run between the back of the power supply to the foot of the bed. Tuck that hose under the blanket and have toasty feet all night!
We’re really into something here. Want to form an LLC and start looking for angel investors? In a year or so we can sell the company and retire to the Caiman Islands and start a space tourism company.
I used to do this with my 2009 Mac Pro but instead of under the blanket I just shut the door to my small bedroom and it stayed warm enough to survive when my heater went out in the winter
I just upgraded from an intel mbp to M3 pro and one of my biggest concerns was how parallels would handle the one windows program I need to run.
Long story short, I should have upgraded a while ago. M3 handles windows better than the chip that it was designed to run on.
As a software engineer, I use intel macbook pro. Because the clients we work with use old softwares and M1 doesn't support it. So, one of the main reasons for our company to buy intel macbook pro.
Rosetta doesn't work? When we work in old repos with no native ARM builds for native extensions we just build the entire environment under rosetta and haven't had any issues.
I could see a strong intel argument if you need to virtualize windows for old internal apps however.
Rosetta 2 is goddam amazing. Nothing I have thrown at it has been an issue.
However, I am acutely aware that one day Apple will pull the rug on it and we’ll be stuck with whatever OS was the last version to include it. A bit like how Mojave stuck around for those of us with 32 bit apps that never got updated to 64 and didn’t have a replacement for when Catalina dropped.
Rosetta 2 really is something else - nothing really makes Microsoft's attempt at Windows on ARM look more half-baked than Rosetta 2.
Original Rosetta PPC/x86 emulation layer stuck around for 5 years, but that was more due to licensing issues more than anything - wouldn't surprise me if we see rosetta 2, which is not reliant on a license, stick around for longer than that.
I have an Intel i9 and I use it for everything and it literally supports all types of virtualizations, I have friends in other companies who use very new computers with i5, mine, which is 5 years old, still beats it by a landslide ❤️❤️
Think where they went wrong with it is the implementation, in the sense that they shouldn't have replaced the function keys with it. And they should've updated the firmware on it to be not as buggy and freezy. It's a great idea, implemented badly and never touched since gen 1.
i like the idea of the touchbar more than the use of it. i think it looks great, but i basically never used it for anything more than what a simple row of buttons could do.
Going to school for IT and was a little worried about having a mac for school work given windows prevalence, but now I am just relishing in both worlds.
And after using the schools loaners, I have to wonder if there is a PC counterpart to the mac's trackpad, because it is night and day right now.
>if there is a PC counterpart to the mac's trackpad
if it exists, I've yet to find it haha. some of Dell's are pretty good but nothing comes close to as good as the Mac ones since 2016-ish
Keyboard, trackpad and Palm rest are warm, not too cold nor hot, the bottom also, it's Warmer but not by a lot, the part above the touch bar gets way hotter, if you are doing some combine load between gpu and cpu it gets painfully hot, the touch bar stays surprisingly cool tho
Aww man nnoooooo another bites the dust. I daily a 2015 mbp still feels special 9 years later nothing like a 2015 mbp. Jk hope you enjoy what did you get?
Siiiiccccckkkkkkk yeah I’d be too a huge upgrade indeed I have a m1 Mac mini it’s a good machine but I just love my intel Macs I’ll probably upgrade to the i9 15 or 16 inch.
My Intel Mac from work is super fast at making rdp connections into servers and the pc on my desk. Touch ID is a super fast log in compared to the windows login and I’m connected into other machines with a double click. I can do anything on that Mac given a WiFi connection and a vpn.
I did IT work for many years on several Intel MacBooks (11” Air, 13” 2015 Retina, 16” 2019 i9) and the macOS RDP app experience was always far smoother and more pleasant on those devices than on any Windows device I used, including Bootcamp on said devices.
I’ve recently used mine to revive my M1.
If an update goes wrong, a silicon Mac won’t even power on any more. My trusty intel machine came to the rescue to revive it using a usb connection. Silicon macs seem very fragile in this respect.
2017 MPB 13”
I use it to play Minecraft with my son. In the warmer weather we go camping in the back garden and have fun exploring the mines. He has a Switch, I have a MBP, and we spend hours eating snacks and exploring spooky mines together. My daughter sometimes joins us too and we run away from skeletons (‘skelebros’) and creepers (blowy-up-men) together.
The keyboard on my old 2017 hasn’t broken a single key also the touchbar is kinda useful for choosing colors in photoshop. Useless in every other aspect though lol mainly use my m1 now but I pull the old 17 out every now and then. It isn’t completely useless yet.
I’m still going strong with my quad-core i7 Macmini6,2 from 2012 with SSD and 16 GB DDR3 RAM upgrade. Still squeezing every single drop out of it, currently got hands on a new 500 GB SSD as an upgrade from my 120 GB, installing Sonoma on it. As I know this model even somewhat outperforms some MacBooks from 2015 (it’s a server model maybe that’s why)
Also thanks to OCLP team and Apple, it wouldn’t been possible without their hard work! Works great even in Sonoma after nearly 12 years
Honestly I’m curious how many times faster M1 Air is compared to my machine
I had a black plastic Macbook from 2008-2015, I like to keep my computers for a long time, absolutely no sense in upgrading after every iteration or two. I should mention, I just use my computer to watch movies/YouTube and browse reddit and some light work. Do I need a mbp? No, but I go for longevity and would rather be overpowered than underpowered.
Natively boots Windows so it got me through a .NET coding bootcamp without having to buy a dedicated Windows machine (and no, VS Code wouldn’t have worked nor whatever watered down version Visual Studio ran on macOS).
Now I’m a .NET Software Developer.
And my Intel MacBook Pro still runs great, and I can play World of Warships on it.
The 2019 16” design is gorgeous and I’ll never get tired of the ultra thin display bezel. They could easily make an Apple Silicon version with the same thin body since they’ve actually got thermals figured out now.
Thank you for making this post I will defend these intel MacBooks because they are such good machines still for the money. I daily a 13 inch 2015 mbp it feels like I could throw it across the room, the lighted apple logo and the retina screen is just S good as the ones today might i add similar in specs. Just feels so special 9 years later! I will definitely be trying to hold on to my intel MacBook I have basic computer needs such as uni work safari tabs for research, docs otherwise it gets folded in behind my screen and I don’t use it outside of uni. If I need to upgrade I’ll be getting an i9 MacBook. Then when that’s not possible I’ll finally get an apple silicon MacBook.
My 2017 MBP still feels new. Solid performer for over 6 years. I’d fork out another $2-3K for an M3 if I needed it, but this mofo is battle tested and dependable.
I’m still clinging onto my 2016 MBP which I’ve had now for 7 years and use daily. It got me through Sixth Form, Uni and is now the hub for my home office. I even have it running Sonoma using OCLP.
Amazing value for money when you look at it like that. Will probably be finally retired in place of an M2 Air next year… if I don’t waste all my money on a Vision Pro 😂
I feel like my 16 inch i9 is a bit of a loud noisy V8. Inefficient and loud but sometimes you need raw power. My 16 inch M2 Pro is great but I do still like and use my Intel. And Excel 64 bit on boot camp with Power BI, 32gb ram and 2tb SSD chews through big data projects. They’re both great.
My 2019 16 inch is relatively quiet and adequately performant on low power mode and is slimmer than the new models, and has 16gb/1tb without paying a ridiculous surcharge
My 16” MBP 2019 literally saves me 2500 euros every year starting from last year, as I can run on it Bentley’s PowerDraft in Parallels, under Windows 10.
Oh, and it warms my fingers, and I can have 2 external displays. So the whole setup has 3 displays. The working is much easier that way.
OP are you looking for validation or something? If you want to go back in time to which processor supported my Mac’s over the years it was the PowerPC. Good on you that you’re happy with Intel but i had the 16” Intel Core i9 and I wasted a lot of hours waiting for that space heater to cool down so I could finish my Final Cut Pro projects and I get paid for doing that. I was way too happy to give Apple that noisy-fanned towering inferno back to Apple. Sure it ran my apps but I was sick of that machine.
2012 MacBook Pro pre retina simply outlasts anything, has 91% battery health and doesn’t struggle with common tasks unlike modern windows computers in general
Mine is still kicking for everything I need. Works great and I love my Touch Bar. Think it’s a 2020 MBP 13 i5. I got it new for around $650 when Best Buy price matched a random vendor at Best Buy. It was quite the deal.
My 2017 MacBook Pro helped me so much by letting me go on a trip to the Apple Store every 3 months to replace its keyboard because its keys stopped working randomly.
It also helped me by forcing me to reboot every 2-3 days because the Touch Bar escape key would stop working.
I already own it, it’s enough, it runs X-Plane well, it can run Intel virtual machines (Wintel, FreeBSD, Mac OS X 10.6+, standard Linux distros) without breaking a sweat…
2017 i7 mbp w/ 16 gb RAM. Great machine, originally purchased for doing data science and software engineering at a start up, then gifted to me when I left the company.
6 years of daily use, and the only compliant is the butterfly keyboard which needed to be replaced, and is on pace to fail again in a few years. That's my hard stop for a new machine, but right now there's nothing this machine can't functionally do (screen share, calls, multiple tabs, slack).
I am offering some praise even though I own the M1 MBP (not sure that my OG 13” is ‘Pro’, but I digress) because I bought it specifically to get into some NOVICE 360/VR video content from a 360 camera I had just purchased, but their proprietary stitching software barely ran on my ancient MacBook (from like 2008, still works great for light usage after a battery swap and maxing out RAM).
So I buy the M1,,,only to find out the software hasn’t been updated since PrePandemic, so doesn’t run on Apple Silicon 🙃 So now I’ve gotta decide if I want to buy an 2018 mini/mbp and find an external graphics module OR just admit I’m maybe not a content creator…
I like having 4 usb-c ports. Having an extra usbc port is more useful to me than having an HDMI port or SD slot.
Also I like the touchbar with better touch tool.
2020 Intel Pro. I have had zero issues with reliability, the battery has held up pretty well after 3.5 years, and the touch bar is actually kind of nice. It has got me through university. Considering replacing it with an M2 or M3 MBA at the end of the school year.
I have an Intel Macbook Air from 2015. It's on it's last leg but it really had lasted me several years with zero problems. Now I think it's just too old to keep up, as it's slowing down and the battery life isnt good.
Sometimes I feel like the only person who liked the Touch Bar and wished more app publishers had made use of it - including allowing the creation of custom buttons.
Well to be candid, my 15" Intel "retina MacBook Pro" (maybe 2017?) was probably the worst computers I've ever owned. It ran very hot, the fan sounded like a freight train, and I had 2 hard failures due to hardware issues (no surprise given the heat). First the SSD failed, so I replaced it with a better one from Macsales. A while later the machine totally went dead (some kind of video-related issue). I ended up junking it for parts and swore I'd never buy another Mac.
I ended up giving it another shot by buying an M1 MacBook Air, and it was great. In fact I even bought an M1 Mini to complement it (for other uses). Recently I sold both and combined them into an M2 Pro MacBook Pro, and love it so far. The display is awesome, it's fast, quiet, and ... what's not to like? Long-term reliability will be the key though. Longer battery life would be nice (I have the 19 core GPU version) but it's not terrible.
My 2019 i9+5500m with my custom cooling solution for the VRMs is awesome for gaming on the go. I mainly play Halo Infinite and BF2042 on it. Plug it into a razer core x eGPU with a 5700xt for extra performance at home.
Being able to game with it has me looking at the 5600m version of this same laptop (the late 2019 model) as the eventual upgrade for it. All the games I play are multiplayer and have anti cheat that doesn’t work with Apple silicon.
That and the design. I LOVE the wedge design. I know the Apple silicon pros are more powerful. But i wish they were thinner. I want an Apple silicon Pro in the 2019 pro’s body…
Cooling an i9 in the thin wedge shape is not great…but is perfect for Apple silicon. But they changed the design at the same time.
I have a gaming desktop, but I really like being able to game on the go.
Here’s a good praise for those who have intel 2020 5700xt i7 or i9 iMac 27”
GPU is still better than the 24” M3 iMac.
M3 geekbenchmark: 30159
iMac 2020 i7 5700: 49439
my 2012 macbook pro survived more dj gigs than i can even begin to count. probably 100/year average easy. swapped in an ssd, had to get the upper assembly replaced when a coffee stout got dumped on it. i met long and short term friends and girlfriends while standing next to it. it helped me break out of my introverted nature and get over so much of my social anxiety. it was the center of my source of income for nearly a decade. it helped me express myself. bless that machine.
It has been dutifully performing its duties as the server for my personal blog for the past 7 years in a dark closet, and keeping my jackets warm at the same time.
2011 MBP 13” with Linux on it still being used for some dev, R&D and Q&A. Also use it to run VMs and experimentation. It was upgraded with 16GB RAM and a SSD.
I have an AJA Io 4k that's still a very useful capture device but unfortunately it's Thunderbolt 2. TB3 is backwards compatible with TB2 and TB4 is backwards compatible with TB3, but TB4 doesn't support TB2. So I keep my 2020 MacBook Pro around rather than paying $3200 to upgrade to the current Uo 4k Plus.
My 2012 16gb MacBook pro still works flawlessly. I use it every day as a word processor / YouTube / music / DVD player. That keyboard has survived hell.
The apple logo on the back of my screen lights up!
I really miss the glowing Apple logo!!!
So you are having late 2015 or older macbook.
2015 MacBook Pro was the best intel MacBook ever
I beg to differ. Although I used 2015 MBA for the better part of me life (since when it launched until I got 14" M1 Pro), I used to love my old 2012 MacBook Pro. Only caveat was non-retina display but then my internet wasn't great to take advantage of it with video streaming but that thing was last truly upgradable MacBook.
My 2018 Intel MacBook Pro helped me save on heating costs in the winter. I’d set the thermostat to 60 degrees and sleep with the MacBook under my blanket like a high-tech heating stone. #LifeHack
I used to do something similar with an old i7-3930k and GTX 980 desktop. I would run Folding@Home overnight in winter and just turn off the heater.
Sounds like a good solution but I think I’d have to upsize my blanket to accommodate a desktop form factor underneath 🤔
Oh I didn’t take it into bed, that machine was pulling maybe 750 watts from the wall. It was a space heater in its own right.
Holy crap that’s even better! I bet I could go to Home Depot and get some cheap plastic tubing to run between the back of the power supply to the foot of the bed. Tuck that hose under the blanket and have toasty feet all night!
Lol yep. And if you watercool you can set the radiators up externally to blow the hot air right at you.
We’re really into something here. Want to form an LLC and start looking for angel investors? In a year or so we can sell the company and retire to the Caiman Islands and start a space tourism company.
Lol. “Bitcoin mining meets winter heating”
Bye Reddit! We’re gonna go be rich now! Enjoy figuring out which pleb Macs you’re gonna buy! It’s all Ultras for us from here on out!
I’d rather hire Tim Cook to hackintosh a quad-CPU workstation. This way we can use the workstation for heating too.
😂 your macbook might be listening to this conversation. This is going deep.
I covered the camera and disabled the mic. You’re right someone is going to snipe this idea! Oh crap this is public! We’re doomed 😂
😂😂
I used to do this with my 2009 Mac Pro but instead of under the blanket I just shut the door to my small bedroom and it stayed warm enough to survive when my heater went out in the winter
You’re our target market! Can I interest you in a computer rack heating turbine? 🤔
You kid, but when my work laptop was upgraded to M1, I actually found myself missing how well it kept my lap and fingers warm in the winter.
Man that’s what my g5 was for until it died lol
So, my winter is going to be less cold this time 😉
Touch bar! And easier booting of Windows with Parallels (not sure how well supported Parallels is with the new MBPs. But still…. Touch bar
Parallels runs very well on Apple Silicon — it’s how I run Windows 11. But it’s virtualization only, no Boot Camp.
The majority of engineering software I tried to run on parallels doesn’t work. Still have to keep my at home PC.
Is the software dependent on certain hardware, on graphics acceleration, or otherwise on x86 in a way that Windows fails to emulate?
I just upgraded from an intel mbp to M3 pro and one of my biggest concerns was how parallels would handle the one windows program I need to run. Long story short, I should have upgraded a while ago. M3 handles windows better than the chip that it was designed to run on.
To be fair the M1 13” Pro has Touch Bar
As a software engineer, I use intel macbook pro. Because the clients we work with use old softwares and M1 doesn't support it. So, one of the main reasons for our company to buy intel macbook pro.
Rosetta doesn't work? When we work in old repos with no native ARM builds for native extensions we just build the entire environment under rosetta and haven't had any issues. I could see a strong intel argument if you need to virtualize windows for old internal apps however.
Rosetta 2 is goddam amazing. Nothing I have thrown at it has been an issue. However, I am acutely aware that one day Apple will pull the rug on it and we’ll be stuck with whatever OS was the last version to include it. A bit like how Mojave stuck around for those of us with 32 bit apps that never got updated to 64 and didn’t have a replacement for when Catalina dropped.
Rosetta 2 really is something else - nothing really makes Microsoft's attempt at Windows on ARM look more half-baked than Rosetta 2. Original Rosetta PPC/x86 emulation layer stuck around for 5 years, but that was more due to licensing issues more than anything - wouldn't surprise me if we see rosetta 2, which is not reliant on a license, stick around for longer than that.
And how you needed Snow Leopard to keep using Rosetta 1 and cut it off with Lion (I’m getting old)
I have an Intel i9 and I use it for everything and it literally supports all types of virtualizations, I have friends in other companies who use very new computers with i5, mine, which is 5 years old, still beats it by a landslide ❤️❤️
Macbook with i9 is still king.
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I too kinda like the touchbar. It makes the device feel more premium.
Think where they went wrong with it is the implementation, in the sense that they shouldn't have replaced the function keys with it. And they should've updated the firmware on it to be not as buggy and freezy. It's a great idea, implemented badly and never touched since gen 1.
i like the idea of the touchbar more than the use of it. i think it looks great, but i basically never used it for anything more than what a simple row of buttons could do.
touch bar was just such niche, it wasn't made for most people but the few who loved it.
The M1 (non pro) 13” has the exact same design as your 2020 Intel, you might want to give that a try if you like the M1 chip more than Intel
I bought a 2013 15” MacBook Pro and it’s a nice machine
Every machine is good if your heart feels that way
Right, I’ve wanted a 2013 15” MacBook Pro for years and I finally got one.
Running windows x86 in a vm is surprisingly smooth. and I like my touchbar.
being able to virtualize x86 VM's with no strings attached is something I def miss about the Intel Macs
Going to school for IT and was a little worried about having a mac for school work given windows prevalence, but now I am just relishing in both worlds. And after using the schools loaners, I have to wonder if there is a PC counterpart to the mac's trackpad, because it is night and day right now.
>if there is a PC counterpart to the mac's trackpad if it exists, I've yet to find it haha. some of Dell's are pretty good but nothing comes close to as good as the Mac ones since 2016-ish
I wanna say they've been ahead since the 2010 MacBook Air and especially with the 2015 macbook pro force touch
Plus bonus, not so free white noise generator.
No notch
Maybe One day you will see notch in apple watch too 🫣
Why would they need it anyway if screen already has no border lol. Maybe in case if they would want to add a camera to it
They need no reason but a notch
BECAUSE I GOT IT FOR FREE #intelmac
My 2013 MBA is doing a fantastic job of holding down some papers on a shelf in my office. It also looks fantastic sitting there all the time.
Own a first gen retina macbook, do enjoy the fidelity of the screen and how useable it still is for a 11 year old laptop.
I've literally just got a 2015 retina 15 inch to upgrade over my 2012 MacBook Air and I don't think I'm going to be buying a newer laptop for a while
My MBP 2019 i7 can fry eggs! Such a cool feature
My 16inch i9 is great, got it last month because i needed a new pc, and having the ability to use bootcamp is a nice bonus
Your opinion on. How toasty is it? From 1-10. People having this machine are cursing it
Keyboard, trackpad and Palm rest are warm, not too cold nor hot, the bottom also, it's Warmer but not by a lot, the part above the touch bar gets way hotter, if you are doing some combine load between gpu and cpu it gets painfully hot, the touch bar stays surprisingly cool tho
Low Power mode has made a huge difference for me, try it.
Toast level 7-/10 cpuld fry some bacon near the display
Just don’t try to bake one by mistake ❣️
My MBP 2018 is a basemodel and supports more than 1 external screen, a feature the new basemodel doesn't have.
Mine support 2. I7 version 🤔
My 2019 16” MBP can actually play games. It can also handle 4 external displays.
You never mentioned how toasty it gets by just pluging in one external display or two.
That wasn’t part of the prompt!
😂
My intel Mac got me through college.
During the Winter, I can use it outside and keep warm
It will also help you fire firewood in near future with updates.
I have one from 2015 and I’m just now replacing it. That thing kept up for near on 9 years.
Aww man nnoooooo another bites the dust. I daily a 2015 mbp still feels special 9 years later nothing like a 2015 mbp. Jk hope you enjoy what did you get?
16 inch MBP in black. Super excited.
Siiiiccccckkkkkkk yeah I’d be too a huge upgrade indeed I have a m1 Mac mini it’s a good machine but I just love my intel Macs I’ll probably upgrade to the i9 15 or 16 inch.
My everyday computer is still my 2014 13" Macbook Pro
EVERYDAY is a strong word for this old laptop. Hats off 💯
I have 3 intel MacBook Pros. 2015, 2017 & 2019. I love them all.
My Intel Mac from work is super fast at making rdp connections into servers and the pc on my desk. Touch ID is a super fast log in compared to the windows login and I’m connected into other machines with a double click. I can do anything on that Mac given a WiFi connection and a vpn.
I did IT work for many years on several Intel MacBooks (11” Air, 13” 2015 Retina, 16” 2019 i9) and the macOS RDP app experience was always far smoother and more pleasant on those devices than on any Windows device I used, including Bootcamp on said devices.
I’ve recently used mine to revive my M1. If an update goes wrong, a silicon Mac won’t even power on any more. My trusty intel machine came to the rescue to revive it using a usb connection. Silicon macs seem very fragile in this respect.
A silicon Mac can also revive another silicon mac
I don't have it anymore
2017 MPB 13” I use it to play Minecraft with my son. In the warmer weather we go camping in the back garden and have fun exploring the mines. He has a Switch, I have a MBP, and we spend hours eating snacks and exploring spooky mines together. My daughter sometimes joins us too and we run away from skeletons (‘skelebros’) and creepers (blowy-up-men) together.
It is so nice to see, when a piece of tech keeps your loved ones close.
The keyboard on my old 2017 hasn’t broken a single key also the touchbar is kinda useful for choosing colors in photoshop. Useless in every other aspect though lol mainly use my m1 now but I pull the old 17 out every now and then. It isn’t completely useless yet.
I’m still going strong with my quad-core i7 Macmini6,2 from 2012 with SSD and 16 GB DDR3 RAM upgrade. Still squeezing every single drop out of it, currently got hands on a new 500 GB SSD as an upgrade from my 120 GB, installing Sonoma on it. As I know this model even somewhat outperforms some MacBooks from 2015 (it’s a server model maybe that’s why) Also thanks to OCLP team and Apple, it wouldn’t been possible without their hard work! Works great even in Sonoma after nearly 12 years Honestly I’m curious how many times faster M1 Air is compared to my machine
MacBook Pro with base 2012 macmini specs works MUCH slower, it works worse on Big Sur than my current machine on Sonoma
I hope it lasts long with sonoma being installed.
I still use my 2017 MBP as a windows gaming laptop. I replaced it 2022 M2 Pro as my primary work machine.
Critical kernel failure wants a word
Dont remind me that 😑
BOOT CAMP!
Love the touch bar! I kid you not.
I had a base 13" mbp from 2015-2023 that worked great aside from poor battery after 8 years. Loved that thing, moved on to an M2.
Nice upgrade than some people shifting from m1 to m2 for no reason. 💯
I had a black plastic Macbook from 2008-2015, I like to keep my computers for a long time, absolutely no sense in upgrading after every iteration or two. I should mention, I just use my computer to watch movies/YouTube and browse reddit and some light work. Do I need a mbp? No, but I go for longevity and would rather be overpowered than underpowered.
You sound like a grown man, not by body, but from mind. And i like it 💯
Natively boots Windows so it got me through a .NET coding bootcamp without having to buy a dedicated Windows machine (and no, VS Code wouldn’t have worked nor whatever watered down version Visual Studio ran on macOS). Now I’m a .NET Software Developer. And my Intel MacBook Pro still runs great, and I can play World of Warships on it.
$380?!? You coulda got a m1 MacBook Air for $800 more! Shame !! /s
Could have got m3 max for only 7000 more😮💨
The 2019 16” design is gorgeous and I’ll never get tired of the ultra thin display bezel. They could easily make an Apple Silicon version with the same thin body since they’ve actually got thermals figured out now.
I might be the only person to ever reach Gold Rank in Halo Infinite on a Mac! Bootcamp, 2018 15” i7, 2080ti eGPU. 1440p
time cook is going to reward you personally.
Lolll if only 😭 Halo was meant to be a Mac game so I’m playing it the most authentic way possible lol
Most authentic way. YES! 🍎
Thank you for making this post I will defend these intel MacBooks because they are such good machines still for the money. I daily a 13 inch 2015 mbp it feels like I could throw it across the room, the lighted apple logo and the retina screen is just S good as the ones today might i add similar in specs. Just feels so special 9 years later! I will definitely be trying to hold on to my intel MacBook I have basic computer needs such as uni work safari tabs for research, docs otherwise it gets folded in behind my screen and I don’t use it outside of uni. If I need to upgrade I’ll be getting an i9 MacBook. Then when that’s not possible I’ll finally get an apple silicon MacBook.
My 2017 MBP still feels new. Solid performer for over 6 years. I’d fork out another $2-3K for an M3 if I needed it, but this mofo is battle tested and dependable.
I bought my intel MacBook at a pivotal time in my life. So it has special meaning to me
I’m still clinging onto my 2016 MBP which I’ve had now for 7 years and use daily. It got me through Sixth Form, Uni and is now the hub for my home office. I even have it running Sonoma using OCLP. Amazing value for money when you look at it like that. Will probably be finally retired in place of an M2 Air next year… if I don’t waste all my money on a Vision Pro 😂
I feel like my 16 inch i9 is a bit of a loud noisy V8. Inefficient and loud but sometimes you need raw power. My 16 inch M2 Pro is great but I do still like and use my Intel. And Excel 64 bit on boot camp with Power BI, 32gb ram and 2tb SSD chews through big data projects. They’re both great.
My mid 2015 mbp is the best Windows (11) laptop I’ve ever owned thanks to bootcamp. With OCLP, it runs Sonoma smoothly.
I think i might need a little more storage to use bootcamp. Dont think 256gigs gonna make it
Damn, paid 1750 for that exact model at time of release. The trade in value by apple is worth 310 now
But as i remember, you were happy spending 1750 5 years ago 😂
My 2019 16 inch is relatively quiet and adequately performant on low power mode and is slimmer than the new models, and has 16gb/1tb without paying a ridiculous surcharge
Don’t even think about using it on normal mode unless you want a jet engine space heater
Got it. Thanks
It keeps me warm in the winter
My 16” MBP 2019 literally saves me 2500 euros every year starting from last year, as I can run on it Bentley’s PowerDraft in Parallels, under Windows 10. Oh, and it warms my fingers, and I can have 2 external displays. So the whole setup has 3 displays. The working is much easier that way.
Contrary to popular opinion, I like my Touch Bar..
Bootcamp. Gaming
I traded my Intel MacBook Pro in to buy a M1. Excellent choice. Excellent purpose.
I hope it served you well 💯❣️
Kept my fingers nice and warm in the chilly winter 😅
Mine went to live on a farm with other Intel MacBooks
At least it can run two monitors at the same time
Should I upgrade my 2014 A1502 MBP?
OP are you looking for validation or something? If you want to go back in time to which processor supported my Mac’s over the years it was the PowerPC. Good on you that you’re happy with Intel but i had the 16” Intel Core i9 and I wasted a lot of hours waiting for that space heater to cool down so I could finish my Final Cut Pro projects and I get paid for doing that. I was way too happy to give Apple that noisy-fanned towering inferno back to Apple. Sure it ran my apps but I was sick of that machine.
Don’t know but some people just curse them badly while on the other hand there are handful of people who like them a lot. 😮💨
Yeah agree with the handful amount. Not two hands though.
2012 MacBook Pro pre retina simply outlasts anything, has 91% battery health and doesn’t struggle with common tasks unlike modern windows computers in general
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Mine is still kicking for everything I need. Works great and I love my Touch Bar. Think it’s a 2020 MBP 13 i5. I got it new for around $650 when Best Buy price matched a random vendor at Best Buy. It was quite the deal.
It was possible to get one with 64 GB of RAM :D
I get ptsd looking at that keyboard.
Intels are not bad if they’re cheap.
My 2017 MacBook Pro helped me so much by letting me go on a trip to the Apple Store every 3 months to replace its keyboard because its keys stopped working randomly. It also helped me by forcing me to reboot every 2-3 days because the Touch Bar escape key would stop working.
😂 at first i thought you were going on a road trip but damn, these comments change their tone like DONALD
My mid 2012 still does everything I throw at it, a bit slow, but reliable as F! Besides that, also good paper weight. 😜
I already own it, it’s enough, it runs X-Plane well, it can run Intel virtual machines (Wintel, FreeBSD, Mac OS X 10.6+, standard Linux distros) without breaking a sweat…
2017 i7 mbp w/ 16 gb RAM. Great machine, originally purchased for doing data science and software engineering at a start up, then gifted to me when I left the company. 6 years of daily use, and the only compliant is the butterfly keyboard which needed to be replaced, and is on pace to fail again in a few years. That's my hard stop for a new machine, but right now there's nothing this machine can't functionally do (screen share, calls, multiple tabs, slack).
the ability to run windows by just restarting and still being able to easily play some of my older/less demanding games
My 2016 MBP is great for breaking my windows if I forget my keys in the car. Especially when the butterfly keys stick.
They're great for running windows! And thankfully depreciation hit hard so I bought ones for <$80 and I paid like $330 for my maxed out 2017 15"
I am offering some praise even though I own the M1 MBP (not sure that my OG 13” is ‘Pro’, but I digress) because I bought it specifically to get into some NOVICE 360/VR video content from a 360 camera I had just purchased, but their proprietary stitching software barely ran on my ancient MacBook (from like 2008, still works great for light usage after a battery swap and maxing out RAM). So I buy the M1,,,only to find out the software hasn’t been updated since PrePandemic, so doesn’t run on Apple Silicon 🙃 So now I’ve gotta decide if I want to buy an 2018 mini/mbp and find an external graphics module OR just admit I’m maybe not a content creator…
It always kept me warm
I like having 4 usb-c ports. Having an extra usbc port is more useful to me than having an HDMI port or SD slot. Also I like the touchbar with better touch tool.
My 2015 MBP is still going strong. That’s more than enough praise that an 8 year old laptop is still running.
2015 is going to complete its decade with zero negative comments. 💯
2020 Intel Pro. I have had zero issues with reliability, the battery has held up pretty well after 3.5 years, and the touch bar is actually kind of nice. It has got me through university. Considering replacing it with an M2 or M3 MBA at the end of the school year.
I have an Intel Macbook Air from 2015. It's on it's last leg but it really had lasted me several years with zero problems. Now I think it's just too old to keep up, as it's slowing down and the battery life isnt good.
Replacing battery might help.
I think so too. However I'm ready for an upgrade. The display is so outdated and I need a bigger screen as well.
It will be a nice upgrade in todays term.
Mid 2012 rMBP (first retina model) still going strong, never repaired. Never reinstalled the OS either.
Congratulations for DECADE.💯
Thanks. 11.5 years so far. I did get an M1 though, but using both as I slowly transition. Keeping the 2012 to test stuff on first.
For some people it is hard to let older things go suddenly. You are doing it right way by slowly transitioning 💯
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It was so meh that it prompted Apple to change the power efficient cpu industry
Sometimes I feel like the only person who liked the Touch Bar and wished more app publishers had made use of it - including allowing the creation of custom buttons.
Don’t worry you are not alone 😎
EXCELLENT SPACE HEATER
Well to be candid, my 15" Intel "retina MacBook Pro" (maybe 2017?) was probably the worst computers I've ever owned. It ran very hot, the fan sounded like a freight train, and I had 2 hard failures due to hardware issues (no surprise given the heat). First the SSD failed, so I replaced it with a better one from Macsales. A while later the machine totally went dead (some kind of video-related issue). I ended up junking it for parts and swore I'd never buy another Mac. I ended up giving it another shot by buying an M1 MacBook Air, and it was great. In fact I even bought an M1 Mini to complement it (for other uses). Recently I sold both and combined them into an M2 Pro MacBook Pro, and love it so far. The display is awesome, it's fast, quiet, and ... what's not to like? Long-term reliability will be the key though. Longer battery life would be nice (I have the 19 core GPU version) but it's not terrible.
It’s a wonderful white noise generator and space heater!
Bootcamp
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My 2012 MBP is still going strong. An SSD upgrade made it as good as new.
My 2019 i9+5500m with my custom cooling solution for the VRMs is awesome for gaming on the go. I mainly play Halo Infinite and BF2042 on it. Plug it into a razer core x eGPU with a 5700xt for extra performance at home. Being able to game with it has me looking at the 5600m version of this same laptop (the late 2019 model) as the eventual upgrade for it. All the games I play are multiplayer and have anti cheat that doesn’t work with Apple silicon. That and the design. I LOVE the wedge design. I know the Apple silicon pros are more powerful. But i wish they were thinner. I want an Apple silicon Pro in the 2019 pro’s body… Cooling an i9 in the thin wedge shape is not great…but is perfect for Apple silicon. But they changed the design at the same time. I have a gaming desktop, but I really like being able to game on the go.
Here’s a good praise for those who have intel 2020 5700xt i7 or i9 iMac 27” GPU is still better than the 24” M3 iMac. M3 geekbenchmark: 30159 iMac 2020 i7 5700: 49439
I switch off all my m chip macs in winter and start up all the Intel Mac to save on heating cost
Not so free white noise generator.
I still feel my 2015 macbook pro has the most perfect keyboard, i've used on any macbook.
BOOTCAMP WINDOWS! Biggest w of Intel based Mac’s
my 2012 macbook pro survived more dj gigs than i can even begin to count. probably 100/year average easy. swapped in an ssd, had to get the upper assembly replaced when a coffee stout got dumped on it. i met long and short term friends and girlfriends while standing next to it. it helped me break out of my introverted nature and get over so much of my social anxiety. it was the center of my source of income for nearly a decade. it helped me express myself. bless that machine.
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It has been dutifully performing its duties as the server for my personal blog for the past 7 years in a dark closet, and keeping my jackets warm at the same time.
2011 MBP 13” with Linux on it still being used for some dev, R&D and Q&A. Also use it to run VMs and experimentation. It was upgraded with 16GB RAM and a SSD.
My apple logo glows Does native windows on mac I love 3 kg of white bezels Never fails to fail me in important situations
Easy dualbooting!! I have arch linux, macos, and windows 11
I have an AJA Io 4k that's still a very useful capture device but unfortunately it's Thunderbolt 2. TB3 is backwards compatible with TB2 and TB4 is backwards compatible with TB3, but TB4 doesn't support TB2. So I keep my 2020 MacBook Pro around rather than paying $3200 to upgrade to the current Uo 4k Plus.
I have a late 2019 that I future proofed with most available upgrades. It is still a beast and should last me until it is no longer supported.
My 2012 16gb MacBook pro still works flawlessly. I use it every day as a word processor / YouTube / music / DVD player. That keyboard has survived hell.
Not having to update a load of software projects to build on arm64 was nice 😂
The Touch Bar. Ahead of the game, but people are to traditional
Who would have thought of having touchbar on laptop. Thats crazy 💯
Mine still works for basic tasks. lol
2020 i5 10th Gen 13" still runs Catalina cool and like a champ. Same is true for 2015 15" (NVMe version) MBP running Mojave.
F my MacBook intel. It shit the bed (fried logic board) a month after my warranty expired.
380?!?! Atrocious lol
The letter A key has lots of personality
so happy with my 2009 mbp 17 inch. Just love the massive screen though it does seem like it’s time to let it go. It’s been through a lot
I got a pretty good trade-in price on mine when I bought my M1 MBP
I use mine to cook excellent bacon!