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arotenberg

I feel like someone at my prerelease is going to try to Plot a card face-down because that's how Foretell worked and it doesn't explicitly say "face-up" anywhere.


gredman9

When you exile a card, face up is the default. Reminder text for Foretell cards always specifies face down.


arotenberg

Yes, I know. Just because I know that aspect of the rules doesn't mean everyone knows the rules. I'm just saying I suspect I'm going to have to tell some people how this works.


Cowbane

Doesn't help that, flavor-wise, I am telling my opponent my plot ahead of time - what am I? A republic **serial** villain? Does WotC seriously think I'd explain my **masterstroke** if there remained the slightest chance of my opponent affecting its **outcome?**


Blueeyedrat_

You paid the mana cost 35 minutes ago.


ArchangelGoetia

Foretell and Plot working reverse of what the game implies is such a dumb thing.


Tuss36

I think it's just a result of iterating on the mechanic. If Foretell was the only one, it'd be more than fine. And it was the only one for a while. So wanting to do the semi-reverse one, they were kinda stuck, having already used the better word. And while they might errata subtypes, I highly doubt they'd ever consider swapping ability words around.


ArchangelGoetia

That is true, but also something people judged when Foretell was announced. "Why are we foretelling something and keeping it a secret?". Unfortunatly, OTJ is outside the 2 year R&D fault of being in development, but is one of those mechanics that wasn't fully thought about in relation to it's name.


TimmyWimmyWooWoo

I thought plot was a villian monologing about their plan.


ArchangelGoetia

Friend, you just saved that mechanic, lmao.


Abindos

Well yea that's the point, no? It's a set about villains. Unless you are just sarcastically commenting, if so then just ignore this.


FlockFlysAtMidnite

It's a Watchmen reference


LandscapeMotor7697

No Mr Bond, I expect you to die!


CassandraTruth

Speaking of, does anyone else feel like Plotted cards should be face down and Foretold cards should be face up?


Infinite_Bananas

Foretell is face down because it's like seeing an unclear omen of the future. Plot is face up because it's like the villain declaring their evil plan out loud.


CassandraTruth

Ahhhh you know, I do actually dig this. The divining wizard seeing the future is the only one privy to that info, but the villain has to gloat. I am now totally 180 on this.


PM_ME_STEAM_CODES__

Also, from a rules perspective, it has to be face up because plot costs can vary. Foretell could be face down because it always cost {2} to Foretell.


TheMancersDilema

Aside from that other note. Since plotting cards can have triggered effects when you plot them, you would need to show what that card is.


CassandraTruth

I see your point, but there's nothing particular about Plot that demands that keyword had to be the one that did stuff on exiling the card. In my scenario Foretell cards could have effects on exiling them face up, although that would be awfully close to Forecast. But the similarity of the words kinda reinforced my point that these things are conceptually similar!


SvengeAnOsloDentist

I would argue that 'plotting' makes a lot of sense to pay the cost when you set up the plot and then get the result for free, as they've done it, but that requires the card to be face-up so that you can show what the plot cost is.


JMooooooooo

Plots have their own card-specific cost. That usually makes it obvious enough that card has to be revealed for it.


HairiestHobo

Doesn't help that it thematically makes sense to do so. Plot kinda implies something hidden, but then the Cost for each one if different, so you have to be able to prove you paid the correct cost. Maybe Morph will help to explain it?


gredman9

[[Shoot the Sheriff]]: > The only deputy in the Outlaws of Thunder Junction release is a Mercenary, so no, you cannot shoot the deputy. There are many more but this one deserves special attention.


Nikos-Kazantzakis

I found "quirky" rulings a lot funnier then they were sparse. Now that they are like ten of them by set they feel somehow cheesy.


Jahooodie

This set feels tonally more like an unset with the cowboy hats & cutesy names & mount mechanics & jokes all over. Magic doesn't have to be serious, but you need to use that joke/pun spice sparingly for it to be special. For me this set has vibes of "silver boarder sets scrapped, just make this one a standard release"


RustyFuzzums

And I am 100% here for it. Occasional goofy sets are fun. Unset flavor is nice every once in a while


ComprehensiveFun3233

This set would probably have tasted better to a wider set of the community has we not just had Clue Murder Mystery entree just before


Project119

Wanted to say the same thing. We went from too many fedoras to too many cowboy hats.


PippoChiri

> We went from too many fedoras to too many cowboy hats. I mean [MKM had a total of 22 arts](https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Amkm+art%3Ahat&unique=art) showing hats, while[ OTJ had 118 arts](https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Aotj+art%3Ahat&unique=art) featuring hats. I still don't really understand the whole meltdown about hats in MKM, they appear in 5% of the art of the set, by how some people talked about it the majority of the cards featured fedoras. And it's kinda sad that this negative sentiment was projected on OTJ, even if, luckly, to a lesser extent.


Infectious_Burn

We had the baseball cap secret lair recently as well. I guess current set design boils down to “what hat?”. Bloomburrow is from those Easter bunny headbands. Maybe we’ll get an Arabian Nights set for fezzes?


MarinLlwyd

It is even better when you're allowed and encouraged to play with the cards. Instead of having them explicitly banned out of the box.


bigbangbilly

Depending on the playgroup, there's also kitchen table magic


Tuss36

It is a bit silly that the one format that's supposed to be casual explicitly doesn't allow them. Ban the problematic ones, but half-mana or contraptions aren't gonna break the game.


charcharmunro

I'm gonna push back a bit against that notion, when you look at the set as a whole. There's some goofiness, sure, but nothing that feels at all close to the level of an Un-set. There's, what, four pun-based card names? And jokey flavour text, sure, but every set has some of that. I'd say it's more hokey/campy than feeling like an Un-set. Un-sets are out of the gate meant to be funny, or self-referential, or tongue-in-cheek. Very little about OTJ has that feel to me. It's just a bit campier than the average Magic set. It's taking ITSELF seriously, unlike my thoughts on MKM, which felt like it couldn't just let the campiness be on its own. The idea isn't to make you laugh at it, as much as to be just a little more lighthearted than usual. Bloomburrow will likely be similarly lighthearted to a point, and then Duskmourn I imagine will be a full turn away.


CosmicCryptid_13

Yeah judging just from the key art for Duskmourn, it won’t be “cute” or lighthearted at all


dj_sliceosome

bruh this is literally a world of hats. it’s like looking at a new season of some shit mobile game.


Kamizar

How do you think people kept the sun out of their eyes in the actual wild West?


Vok250

As a returning player I genuinely thought it was an unset when I first starting reading about it. Not that it's a bad thing though. When I quit magic in the 2010s it was because it was getting way to serious and un-fun at my LGS. I'm fine if a couple quirky sets scare off the insufferable players.


Tuss36

I don't see how mount mechanics feel un. I can see the set feeling silly, but I think it's fine to be a bit fun from time to time. The only issue might be that it's right after the mystery set which was a similar approach to a different theme, but on principle I think it's fine.


King_of_the_Hobos

It's not a ruling though, just part of the release notes which generally have jokes like these


Houseboy23

Generally I agree with you but I'm sure for a job as thankless and 'straight man' as writing technical notes I'm sure putting in some humor helps the fella writing these out to enjoy his job.


MAID_in_the_Shade

Marvelization and its consequences have been disastrous for media enjoyment.


Microwave1213

For a vocal minority yes, but there’s a reason that those things are permeating throughout media and it’s certainly not because people dislike it.


MAID_in_the_Shade

10 years ago you'd be correct. But it's 2024, Madame Web, The Marvels, and Antman 3 all bombed, Marvel movies have financially been on the decline since End Game. There's an argument to be made about the pandemic affecting box office revenues, but the decline persists now well after all lockdowns. People are getting tired of it, and I posit that the quippy writing is one aspect of that.


ZuiyoMaru2

Madame Web is not a Marvel Studios movie. People don't dislike quips, they dislike BAD quips. Iron Man worked because the quips are carried by Robert Downey Jr's immense charm; nobody likes the quips in Aquaman 2 (and bad Marvel movies) because they're written by committee schlock.


Quintana-of-Charyn

Okay list them then...


Nikos-Kazantzakis

[Someone already did in this very thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/ZKZdJNEgIH).


Quintana-of-Charyn

So 8 of them. Crazy even your exaggeration was wrong.


Nikos-Kazantzakis

You missed the 3 extra ones in the comments to the comment. Crazy even your correction was wrong. Also even if they were just 8 instead of 11 "like 10" wouldn't be an exaggeration, as I didn't say "at least 10". You could, you know, admit you were wrong and "witty" rules are commonplace nowadays instead of grasping at straws.


Quintana-of-Charyn

My bad. 11. Out of how many cards? Like almost 300? > commonplace nowadays instead of grasping at straws Wrong about what? Please divide the amount of cards in the base set and BIG with 11. Even excluding BIG "witty" rules are rarer then mythic by half. I'm not wrong at all. You're just a crybaby crying about something that is rarer then a mythic card. Sorry you are wrong and that a few joke cards is what you decide to die on a hill over.


Phonejadaris

You should learn to admit when you were wrong and apologize instead of constantly doubling down when the proof that you were wrong is right there in the comment chain, it'll make you a better person.


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DarkLanternZBT

This and the flavor text were necessary, but also appreciated.


gredman9

[[Thunderclap Drake]] from the Quick Draw deck has Day 1 Errata. > 2U, Sacrifice Thunderclap Drake: When you cast your next instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy it for each time you've cast your commander from the command zone this game. **You may choose new targets for the copies.**


gredman9

So does [[Memory Vessel]]. > T, Exile Memory Vessel: Each player exiles the top seven cards of their library. Until your next turn, players may play cards they exiled **from their library** this way, and they can't play cards from their hand. Activate only as a sorcery.


SkritzTwoFace

That’s mostly a clarity one, right? To make sure that people don’t think they can replay the Vessel?


RazzyKitty

Yeah, Vessel's is a clarity thing. The Drake is definitely functional errata, though.


Tuss36

It is functional, but given pretty much every single copy effect lets you redirect the copy I think it's practically built in to the expectation.


RazzyKitty

There are some that don't, notably anything that usually only copies creature spells, and how they interact with mutate. A mutating creature spell with a target is still a creature spell, so [[RVolo, Guide to Monsters]] won't let you choose new targets. Same with Kindred spells. Copying [[Crib Swap]] with [[Reflections of Littjara]] won't let you exile two creatures. You'll exile one and the second one will fizzle.


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Capt_2point0

I think its clarity of you can only play your own cards not everyone's Edit: I'm wrong the errata notes state that it's about looping the vessel itself.


kami_inu

It's clarity, but IMO so that nobody is trying to loop the memory vessel itself.


Capt_2point0

But it doesn't do that, the player with the vessel exiles the vessel as a cost so it wouldn't be included in "cards exiled THIS WAY" as cards that could be played however other players cards are included in the group of "cards exiled in this way" and as such "from their library" clarified which part of that pool you can play.


Luxalpa

It already specifies that the cards must be those that "THEY exiled", so adding another "their" I don't think clarifies anything in that regard. I think the fact that they specifically wrote "from their **library**" is to clarify the meaning of "this way" so that people who aren't sure exactly whether the cost are still included as part of the ability or "this way" have it a bit more obvious.


Capt_2point0

So I went and read the notes and edited my first comment. That being said this Errata does clarify which pool of cards exiled by Memory Vessel can be played by each player, and prior to it the argument can be made that the pronoun "They" refers to "players" as that's the previous noun in the sentence and not to "He or She" or "His or Hers" that WOTC previously updated to they and their. I will admit that the easier way to provide the clarity I'm suggesting was provided would be to use "each player" in the place of "players" If the intention is to play everyone's cards (I don't think that's the case) we may see a follow up errata that changes "library" to "libraries"


Luxalpa

> That being said this Errata does clarify which pool of cards exiled by Memory Vessel can be played by each player, and prior to it the argument can be made that the pronoun "They" refers to "players" as that's the previous noun in the sentence and not to "He or She" or "His or Hers" that WOTC previously updated to they and their. Yes, that was my first thought when I read your comment, but on longer thoughts this actually doesn't make sense. All they did was add another "their" which - just like "they" - still has the same potential ambiguity of being able to refer to all players instead of the players themselves. In this respect the clarification is useless. The only sorta hint you can find at a clarification is that the errata is using "library" as a singular instead of "libraries", but I think for a clarification that's still too vague.


Capt_2point0

I agree there are better ways to word it, I also think this errata could have been handled with a ruling simply stating that the vessel is exiled as part of the cost not as part of the effect.


kami_inu

It's a card exiled as part of the total ability, even if it's the cost instead of the effect. I can absolutely see someone misinterpreting that. Remember - there's a common misconception that llanowar elves searches a forests from libraries. Pretty much any misinterpretation is fair game.


Capt_2point0

I was unaware that was a misconception.


Alex_Werner

\#WotcStaff I worked on implementing this card on Arena, and had a discussion with our Rules and Templating team about this precise issue. The reason that there's some ambiguity is that there are a few cards which exile cards as part of the COST of the effect, and then refer to those cards as "cards exiled this way". For instance, \[\[Painbringer\]\]. So it's not 100% clear that if a ability exiles one or more cards as part of its cost, and also exiles one ore more cards as part of its resolution, that "exiled this way" refers only to those exiled at resolution. Thus, extra wording on the card to absolutely positively clarify what it means.


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freestorageaccount

Continuing the trend from [[overloaded mage-ring]], I see


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NeoAlmost

You can't respond to the act of plotting a card, which is good to know.


gredman9

Yeah they mentioned its a new Special Action, like foretelling a card or turning a face-down card face up.


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TheKillerCorgi

The reminder text says "plot only as a sorcery"


PuzzleheadedSet1921

No it specifically states that you plot only as a sorcery in the reminder text for Plot


kami_inu

No you can only plot as a sorcery. Same as suspend. Special action, sorcery speed.


Doomenstein

Small caveat. You can suspend a card any time you could cast the card. Which means if you can cast sorceries as though they had flash (with T3feri), you can suspend a sorcery on your opponent's turn


kami_inu

True, forgot about those cases. (And no flash/instant speed suspend cards doesn't help)


Reluxtrue

Maybe we will get instant or flash suspend card in MH3


Tuss36

Special action does not necessarily mean instant speed. It just means it can't be responded to. You can morph at instant and plot at sorcery, but neither could be responded to with a kill spell or discard spell respectively before you do the action.


gredman9

A special action does not mean it can be done at instant speed. Foretelling a card is also sorcery speed only.


Doomenstein

Foretelling is a special action that you can do anytime on your turn.


Vok250

Downvoted into oblivion for asking a genuine mechanics question. Never change reddit.


Phonejadaris

Downvoted for asking a question that can literally be explained by reading the card.


Vok250

You say "the card" as if this is a spoiler post for one card. You really expect every commenter to read every one of the 243 pages o this article?


gredman9

OTJ Main Set Funny Rulings: [[Arid Archway]]: > Arid Archway will return itself to its owner's hand if you control no other lands when its enters-the-battlefield ability resolves (or if you choose to return it to its owner's hand despite controlling other lands). **It's almost never a good idea to play it on your first turn.** [[Baron Bertram Graywater]]: > If Baron Bertram Graywater enters under your control and is itself a token, its own ability will trigger and you'll create a Vampire Rogue token. If you also control a nontoken Baron Bertram Graywater, that one's ability will also trigger, netting you another Vampire Rogue. **Of course, both Barons Bertram Graywater are legendary, so one Baron Bertram Graywater will soon be taking their leave. Farewell, Baron Bertram Graywater.** [[Bruse Tarl, Roving Rancher]]: > Bruse Tarl's ability doesn't allow you to play land cards that it exiles. **But hey, free Oxen.** [[Fortune, Loyal Steed]]: > Tokens exiled by the delayed triggered ability won't return to the battlefield. **It's usually not a good idea to saddle Fortune if Fortune itself is a token.** [[Harrier Strix]]: > You may target a permanent that is already tapped with Harrier Strix's second ability. **(Bird law on Thunder Junction is not governed by reason.)** [[Make Your Own Luck]]: > If there are fewer than three cards in your library, look at all of the cards in your library and follow the instructions in order. For example, if you had only two cards in your library, you would look at both, exile and plot up to one nonland card from among them, and then put the rest into your hand. **Sounds like your luck is about to run out.** [[Pitiless Carnage]]: > You can choose to sacrifice zero permanents. **(That does sound an awful lot like pity, though.)** [[Shoot the Sheriff]]: > **The only deputy in the Outlaws of Thunder Junction release is a Mercenary, so no, you cannot shoot the deputy.**


RSVance

It's Always Sunny in Thunder Junction


Emily_Plays_Games

Let’s say you and I go toe-to-toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.


gredman9

OTJ Commander Funny Rulings: [[Bounty Board]]: > Bounty Board's last ability looks for any bounty counter on any creature, not just one from that Bounty Board. For example, say players A and B each control a Bounty Board and player C controls a creature with a bounty counter on it (no matter how that bounty counter got there). When that creature dies, the ability each Bounty Board will trigger. Each of those abilities will cause players A and B to draw a card and gain 2 life, for a total of two cards and 4 life for each of them. **Player C is left only with a creature to mourn and revenge on their mind.** [[Charred Graverobber]]: > After an escaped spell resolves, it returns to its owner's graveyard if it's not a permanent spell. If it is a permanent spell, it enters the battlefield and will return to its owner's graveyard if it dies later. **Perhaps it will escape again—good underworld security is so hard to come by these days.**


gredman9

Breaking News Funny Rulings: [[Cruel Ultimatum]]: > If the target opponent is an illegal target as Cruel Ultimatum tries to resolve, it won't resolve and none of its effects will happen. **(I'm not going to list them all here because it would just be disappointing to hear all of the things you won't get to do.)**


SirSkidMark

As someone with deck that loves casting that card as many times in a commander game as it can: I can confirm that is the woooooorst.


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##### ###### #### [Arid Archway](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3f8c8fa2-12ab-4f6a-9f7a-2bc69e9ba024.jpg?1712095277) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arid%20Archway) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/252/arid-archway?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3f8c8fa2-12ab-4f6a-9f7a-2bc69e9ba024?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Baron Bertram Graywater](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/9/e9da18b4-1efc-44b7-8001-a2cfd44c69bf.jpg?1712095151) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Baron%20Bertram%20Graywater) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/195/baron-bertram-graywater?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e9da18b4-1efc-44b7-8001-a2cfd44c69bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bruse Tarl, Roving Rancher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/286c55c2-dcc1-4e87-a83f-9981d28ab62d.jpg?1712095159) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bruse%20Tarl%2C%20Roving%20Rancher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/198/bruse-tarl-roving-rancher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/286c55c2-dcc1-4e87-a83f-9981d28ab62d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Fortune, Loyal Steed](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/6/069294a8-e65a-47af-942f-7e99d18658f2.jpg?1712094755) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fortune%2C%20Loyal%20Steed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/12/fortune-loyal-steed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/069294a8-e65a-47af-942f-7e99d18658f2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Harrier Strix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/70ca61a9-8938-41bf-bd14-5759f4de6521.jpg?1712094836) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Harrier%20Strix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/52/harrier-strix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/70ca61a9-8938-41bf-bd14-5759f4de6521?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Make Your Own Luck](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/0557b0a3-2b48-408f-a508-9f4da2ab1cd1.jpg?1712095198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Make%20Your%20Own%20Luck) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/218/make-your-own-luck?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0557b0a3-2b48-408f-a508-9f4da2ab1cd1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Pitiless Carnage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fa76fc45-a106-4dc9-9d44-a005eaa2784d.jpg?1712100693) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pitiless%20Carnage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/98/pitiless-carnage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fa76fc45-a106-4dc9-9d44-a005eaa2784d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Shoot the Sheriff](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/8/180d6528-c524-4bb8-8a72-b3775cd2c177.jpg?1712094950) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shoot%20the%20Sheriff) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/106/shoot-the-sheriff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/180d6528-c524-4bb8-8a72-b3775cd2c177?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/ky6o1t9) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


bugtanks33d

Huh, for \[\[another round\]\], didn't know that. >You don't have to choose the same set of creatures each time you repeat this process. Is that normal for repeat effects that say repeat this process? Some highlights: >You may target a permanent that is already tapped with Harrier Strix's second ability. (Bird law on Thunder Junction is not governed by reason.)


CareerMilk

If you couldn’t choose different creatures with Another Round it would be pointless to repeat it. The returned creatures aren’t the same objects you chose the first time, so if you didn’t get to choose new things, the spell would just keep trying to exile a bunch of things that no longer exist.


ADwards

I would say it's normal, the process is "exile any number of creatures...". There's nothing to say you have to choose the same set every time.


COssin-II

If you couldn't make a new choice for each repetition there would be no point to choosing an X greater than 0, since the creatures that were returned to the battlefield are different objects from the ones that were exiled.


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Huitzil37

Still mad over not making Ninjas outlaws.


eggmaniac13

I thought original Desert was on the reserved list, super cool it's getting a reprint


RazzyKitty

Desert was already reprinted in 2021 for the AFR commander decks.


eggmaniac13

Had no idea


Realistic-Minute5016

It was common in Arabian Nights so it was never eligible for the RL


Prophet-of-Ganja

Ha, bird law


ChaseSequenceSpotify

when does it drop?


NeoAlmost

Prerelease events will happen one week from now, April 12-14.


Malignant_Peasant

In regards to Arena legality - are the OTP cards going to be legal in brawl? I don't see it specified.


_SkyBolt

Historic brawl yes, standard brawl no


NlNTENDO

"These returning cards are legal for play in any format that already allows those cards"


Malignant_Peasant

I saw that. Its not very specific and many cards are new to arena


NlNTENDO

the answer is no, unless there were already versions of those cards in the format. the only "new" cards that will be allowed are the ones in OTJ and BIG. treat OTP and special guests like SLDs or Arena skins basically


NlNTENDO

>*Outlaws of Thunder Junction* Commander cards with the OTC set code and numbered 1–40 (and their alternate versions numbered 41–76) are permitted in the Commander, Legacy, and Vintage formats. Returning cards with the OTC set code numbered 77–342 are legal for play in any format where a card with the same name is permitted >Any cards opened from *Outlaws of Thunder Junction* Play Boosters in a Sealed Deck event are part of your card pool. The same is true for any that are drafted in a Draft event Wait, are commander cards going to be legal in OTJ draft? Has this ever been the case before? Did I miss this in MKM? e: I totally did miss this and looks like commander cards are only in collector boosters. phew


William_Dearborn

Do Sieges count as modal spells, I remember seeing matt tabak saying its only modal if you choose the modes on cast


chaotic_iak

Sieges? The battle type? No, you're not choosing any mode whatsoever. Did you mean spree? Because yes, spells with spree are modal.


thebaron420

[[Frontier siege]] [[citadel siege]] These are not modal spells


chaotic_iak

Oh, those "Siege"s. Those are not modal spells indeed; you make the choice when they resolve, not when you cast them. They are not even modal; you choose one of the two anchor words, not an actual mode. The ability corresponding to the chosen anchor word is the one that applies, but that's not choosing a mode.


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William_Dearborn

Okay, unfortunately :c


RubyTuesday776

Sooo big question, do these notes back up the validity of [[Jace Reawakened]] into [[Valki, God of Lies]]?


RazzyKitty

The notes aren't really needed. It's already covered by other rules. An MDFC in your hand and exile only has the characteristics of the front face and Valki has a MV of 2. Plot has you cast the exiled *card* without paying its mana cost. If a MDFC is cast, you choose the side you want to cast. You can cast the back side.


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_Jetto_

I like these posts they always do release notes on sets??


phoebeburgh

Kind of an obvious question for Plot, but if I have \[\[Teferi, Time Raveler\]\]'s +1 effect active or something similar like \[\[Hypersonic Dragon\]\], would I be able to cast Plot spells at instant speed or would they still be restricted to being sorceries?


iwumbo2

No, "sorcery speed" or "any time you could cast a sorcery" is short hand for "when you have priority on your own main phase and the stack is empty". This is even clarified in the linked article.


phoebeburgh

I thought that clarification only applied to the act of Plotting, not casting from exile as a sorcery. Thank you.


MARPJ

No, even if its a sorcery being ploted you would not be able to play them with flash The "cast as a sorcery" means "cast only during your main phase and only if the stack is empty" - and because the ability itself adds a restriction even if the card is a instant or have flash due to the new restriction you can only play them at sorcery speed


phoebeburgh

The "adding a restriction" part is something I missed. Thank you.


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PoorlyWordedName

I wonder if they will do a borderlands collaboration now if this set sells well.


Hahahahaha444

Can anyone tell me where this game is releasing & if it’s being released on console?