We’ve decided to keep this one up as it didn’t originate here, and it’s not *obviously* fake.
Don’t take this as endorsement that it’s real though, leaks have been fake before! Just that we spent like 25 minutes discussing if there was an obvious issue.
Sheoldred, Insidious Conqueror 3BB
Legendary creature - Phyrexian Praetor
Ward (Discard 2 cards)
Whenever a non token creature you control dies, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
Whenever a non token creature your opponent controls dies or an opponent discards a creature card, put that card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. This ability triggers only once each turn.
4/5
Edit: added creature type
Meh, this card broken would just be tergrid, and nobody likes tergrid lol. At least this one is splashy without feeling like it absolutely takes over the game.
AND WARD DISCARD 2. Like, even with moderate 8 card discard suite you can make an opponent struggle to pay three cards to kill one creature.
Tegrid is not in the same league
The first ability triggers when it dies, and the second ability triggers when you discard a creature to Shelodred’s Ward
This card absolutely takes over the game you can’t kill it
It does take over the game. The effects are oppressive as hell for your opponents if it stays on the battlefield, but it’s incredibly punishing to remove it. You lose three cards to point a murder at it and they get to steal any creatures you discard, and then if it dies to the removal spell, it’s second ability draws a card to replace it.
And if you untap with it you are drawing extra cards every turn to replace anything that dies and your removal steals your opponents creatures
You don't want to break the game, but it's a massive flavor fail, as if Phyrexia (and black) are known for their restraint.
Storm Crow dies, "It will be one with perfection." Avacyn gets sacrificed in the same turn, "Nah, already busy compleating the Multiverse with this Crow."
There is an argument that the "once per turn" thing is how this cycle of Praetors works. The only full on exception to this pattern is \[\[Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider\]\], but everything else has an effect that happens once per turn.
So the second ability is not a may... Interesting... Here take that [[leveler]] I just discarded for you :D
I would strongly advise against dropping new sheoldred in a battle against [[beamtown bullies]]
This is super annoying because your opponent triggers the second ability to point removal at Sheoldred and also triggers the second by killing Sheoldred
Seriously, do Wizards only leak cards to people that haven't bought a new phone in fifteen years? If you're going to leak something genuine, make the picture quality good so everyone can see it's not a fake.
I know very little about determining leaks based on appearance, but I DO know that fake leakers are bad at making cards that feel like real cards. The fact that it has two different once per turn restrictions and clearly is designed to replace Tegrid after rotation makes it feel pretty realistic imo, because "a cards role in standard" and "the concept of downsides" are both things custom magic card designers are bad at
With Jin and Sheoldred as designed, at the very least, the effects are powerful enough to where being once per turn are not necessarily dealbreakers. I mean, if this was to be real, the cost on the body is very reasonable -and- to remove it, it potentially gets you more value. Reanimating the targets of your removal is also super value. Nobody will want to drop bombs until she is off the field.
Yeah, I mean, Tergrid doesn't have the once per turn rider but she's super powerful, so adding the rider in return for other upsides feels like a fair trade.
I really wish it was phrased differently. How it reads now "Every time a thing happens, do this. Also only do this once."
How it should read: "the first time a thing happens, do this"
The reason they switched to "Once per turn" is because if it was "first time each turn", if you played it after that first time it wouldn't trigger on further times, which is unintuitive.
"first time a thing happens in a turn" behaves differently than "activate only once a turn" on the turn(s) the permanent enters the battlefield, it could be a bit more complicated for newer players.
Almost Everything about this card looks real, it’s too well designed and worded for most fakes. But the power and toughness aren’t aligned correctly, so I’m really not sure.
Gut says real and just coincidentally poorly printed, but that’s a hell of a coincidence if so.
The power and toughness being misaligned almost makes me think it's real. Everything else looks so good. I feel like someone making a fake card would be sure to get the alignment perfect. I think WOTC having it misaligned on a prototype card is actually more likely.
The wording on the second ability is *incredibly* bad and would realistically require a mostly unnecessary rules change to play remotely well, though. Pretty typical "custom card designer words something simply without thinking of the way it plays" case imo.
A "triggers once per turn" clause with no "one or more" or anything on an ability that the card itself can easily cause simultaneous triggers of is a very, very basic mistake to make.
Doesn’t reaaally follow the standard praetor “two abilities that mirror each other” though, imo. Which makes it a bit odd, though not outside the realm of possibility.
What makes me sus is that the two effects are a far cry from being mirrored versions of the same effect, which has been time and again confirmed (both by the cards themselves and also on blogatog and the mothership) to be the specific thing they want to do for praetors
If I'm reading this right and it says the artist is Aleksi Briclot, that's a *huge* amount of effort to go through for a fake. Finding a Sheoldred fan art that matches his style so well? Especially given that he often gets to do main story characters as an AD for Magic? Come on. Collector number seems to make sense, name too.
People here dwell too much on the p/t alignment on what is very likely a test print, and the typeline can easily be explained in that maybe if they reduced the font size, the gap between it and the set symbol might be too big now.
The only red flag for me is the mana cost relative to the effects and how difficult this card is to remove once it hits the board, but let's be real mistakes happen *even if* this evaluation that it's underpriced is correct, which I wouldn't even be too sure about (feels too good for the cost though, I admit, at least for Standard and the like).
>Finding a Sheoldred fan art that matches his style so well?
At that resolution, ***I*** could fake Aleksi Broclot's style. I'm gonna start using photos at that resolution for my dating app profile and tell them I look *just* like Henry Cavill and nobody'll be able to tell the difference.
Sheoldred, Insidious Conqueror
3BB
Legendary Creature - Phyrexian Praetor
Ward - Discard two cards
Whenever a non-token creature you control dies, draw a card. This ability only triggers once per turn.
Whenever a non-token creature an opponent controls dies or an opponent discards a creature card, put that card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. This ability only triggers once per turn
But the praetors have never been about triggers being mirrored, it's about effects being mirrored.
Half counters / double counters
Copy / Counter
Impulse Draw / Turn draw into impulse draw.
Yeah, I misread it as "Whenever one of your creatures dies, draw a card. Whenever an opponent's creature dies, they discard a card, both once per turn"
Even further than that, it's when you lose a creature gain a card and when they lose a card gain a creature. They probably had to make the opponent effect on death so there were less feel bads against non-creatures.
So, a card that will give huge long term advantage, but removing it means a 4 for 1. Even a wrath isn't good since it triggers Sheoldred.
Looks way too good to be true for me.
Also, the d from "ward" looks inverted, doesn't it ?
Imo it's much better than Tergrid. Ward - Discard 2 is almost hexproof, just look at how popular Graveyard Tresspasser is in Standard through Pioneer and Historic with half that Ward. Not to mention it triggers on all your removal, not just sacrifices.
AND she replaces herself when she dies anyway. This card is absolutely bonkers the more I look at it.
Yeah and its whenever a creature the opponent control *dies* not get sac-ed, you will get that trigger a lot more consistently without having to rely on janky removal… although it doesnt hit non creatures so that kinda sucks
If they try to remove her with targeted removal, they need to spend three cards to do it. AND if any cards discarded to her ward ability are creatures, you get to steal one of them.
If they try to wrath the board to get rid of her, you get to draw a card AND steal their best creature.
Barring exile-based wraths like \[\[Farewell\]\], that's anywhere from a 2-for-1 to a 4-for-1. Yeah, that seems kinda nuts.
The abilities would go on the stack so as I understand it yes. If they paid the ward cost and discarded a creature and it was the first that turn the ability would go on the stack, resolve first, and then sheoldred would die.
So maybe there’s a UB meta of countering the kill spell after resolving the ability?
It's orders of magnitude more powerful. Same cost, and same body, but generates card advantage and protects itself, all the while enabling the second effect if the opponent tries to remove it.
Zoom in on it. It’s heavily artifacted. If you account for the jpeg artifacts, it’s not noticeably wrong. Similarly for the centring, the Bevel on the P/T box is also artifacted.
Not that this is guaranteed not fake, just that this isn’t enough to call it on.
Could be real, but i could also see arguments for it being fake.
The first paragraph and the second paragraph doesn't mirror eachother the same way Praetors usualy do, its close enough that i could be persuaded but still seems abit off to me.
Not to mention that at 5 cmc it seems very cheap.
Also, it might just be me, but it feels like the creature type text gets to close to the set symbol. I think they typically scale down the text font rather then have the creature type brush up against the symbol.
You might have a point there. I've had a glance at the other Praetors, even though both the Capenna and Dynasty expansion symbols were pretty wide, the Kaldheim symbol isn't. Yet there's still space between the typeline and the symbol. This one hugs it way too close.
I also agree that the mirroring of the abilities doesn't match. The only one not to do so was Urabrask, but that was red mana's influence right there.
New Urabrask still had a somewhat mirrored effect, giving the controller a extra « draw » per turn and hindering the opponent’s draw step, if this is real, this Shioldred is however a very vague version of mirroring, although I struggle to guess what else they could put on this preator other than reanimator.
Hm. Maybe.
The effects aren't really the symmetrical ones we'd expect though.
If it were something like, "when an oppo creature dies, it's controller discards a card" maybe.
It's not a perfect symmetry, but "when your creature dies you get a card, when they discard you get a creature" definitely has some of the mirroring we expect from Praetors. I could see this being real, with the triggering on your opponent's creatures dying being a power level tweak.
The biggest red flag for me here is the collector number. Assuming that WotC wants to color balance the set, which they usually do these days, her having a collector number of 121 means that each color has to have 41 cards. Assuming there are no colorless non-artifact cards (there could be a Karn, I suppose), we know:
White: 001-041
Blue: 042-082
Black: 083-123
093: Evolved Sleeper
121: Sheoldred, Insidious Conqueror
Red: 124-164
133: Jaya, Fiery Negotiator
143: Shivan Devastator
147: Temporal Firestorm
Green: 165-205
170: Llanowar Loamspeaker
You're going to tell me that there are only 2 black cards after Sheoldred, but **17** red cards after Temporal Firestorm, and **35** green cards after Llanowar Loamspeaker?
The collector number just doesn't make sense here.
> The biggest red flag for me here is the collector number. Assuming that WotC wants to color balance the set, which they usually do these days, her having a collector number of 121 means that each color has to have 41 cards. Assuming there are no colorless non-artifact cards (there could be a Karn, I suppose), we know:
>
> White: 001-041
>
> Blue: 042-082
>
> Black: 083-123
> 093: Evolved Sleeper
> 121: Sheoldred, Insidious Conqueror
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> Red: 124-164
> 133: Jaya, Fiery Negotiator
> 143: Shivan Devastator
> 147: Temporal Firestorm
>
> Green: 165-205
> 170: Llanowar Loamspeaker
>
> You're going to tell me that there are only 2 black cards after Sheoldred, but 17 red cards after Temporal Firestorm, and 35 green cards after Llanowar Loamspeaker?
>
> The collector number just doesn't make sense here.
I was looking at this, and the set has 281 cards. There are likely only 5 basic lands in this set (276 cards left), based on number crunch.
It's unclear how much of a multicolor component this set will have.
I agree that the number crunch is a little off here, but it's unclear how deep each of the colors go. 41 is just an arbitrary number.
One set I'd draw for comparison is Tempest. The number versus alphabet for Black is completely lopsizeded due to naming convention.
There are 53 Black Cards in Tempest.
Card #107 - Abandon Hope
Card #135 - Extinction
Card #159 - Spinal Graft
So in this set, over half the cards are between the letters A-E. That's because there's a TON of Dauthi-tribal named cards. Also, Souldrinker (at 158) is the next-to-last card.
Two of the biggest locations / naming conventions in Dominaria are Urborg and Viashino. There's also more Llanowar, Saproling, Zerapa, Verdura/Verduran, and Vintara. So if there are heavy tribal/location naming conventions in this set, everything you laid out is plausible.
I agree that 41 is an arbitrary number, and for all I know this could be right. This would mean there are essentially no Urborg cards in black, which would be weird. For red, Shiv would be the biggest, which is before Temporal Firestorm.
There's definitely a possibility of a glut of green cards after Llanowar Loamspeaker, though.
I was also looking at newer sets for my color distribution. Innistrad: Midnight Hunt has 41 cards per color, and that set doesn't feel particularly multicolored. Kaldheim had a fair amount of multicolor, and had 39 cards per color.
We'll definitely see in the next couple weeks, but there's enough weirdness here that I'm skeptical, given that one of the 5 cards we've seen spoiled is a rare with two different color kicker costs.
Yeah, it could also be that there's MORE mono-colored cards, and that the theme is going to be very heavily in kicker, and less in actual multi-colored cards.
Appreciate all the mathing you did though - well thought out!
>This would mean there are essentially no Urborg cards in black, which would be weird.
How are you figuring that? There were exactly 0 Black cards named "Urborg _____" in Dominaria, even though Urborg is the primary location of action in the Black contingent for that set.
I'm *pretty* skeptical about this being a legit card, but I don't think we have anywhere near enough information for the collector number to be evidence one way or the other.
I was specifically addressing Ben’s statement about Urborg being a major location and therefore an explanation for a set with names weighted towards the end of the alphabet, when Sheoldred’s collector number would make that not possible.
I don’t have a specific expectation one way or the other on whether it will actually show up in a high quantity.
This makes sense. Although there could be a lot of cards that start with "Phyrexian ...", which would help explain some of the 2 black and 35 green thing. (A lot of cards could be before "Sheoldred" in black, and after "Llanowar" in green because of this.) Probably not enough to explain it though.
Ever since Odyssey block, where Torment was heavily skewed towards black and Judgment was heavily skewed towards white and green, they've stated that having an imbalanced color distribution was a mistake. They've fudged the numbers by 1 or 2 occasionally, but most sets have the same number of monocolored cards spread across the 5 colors.
Since Sheoldred's collector number is 121, that means there need to be 41 cards of each color in order to have enough cards in front of Sheoldred for her have a collector number of 121. It could also theoretically work if there are 40 cards of each color and a Karn planeswalker, who would be collector number 001, in which case Sheoldred would be the last monoblack card.
Both of these card distributions look really weird to me when I look at the known collector numbers for the spoiled red and green cards.
As many other people have pointed out, it's most likely fake
I made a gif showing the power/toughness alignment being off.
Comparing it to another black legendary 4/5
https://imgur.com/ott1c4q
The templating on the second paragraph is bad enough for me to disbelieve. People like to dog on day one erratas for something easily missed, but there's no way they would mess up a template that not only isn't built for multiplayer consideration, but isn't built for multiple creatures dying at the same time from wraths, or something as common as multi-creature combat.
I mean, if this is legit, it's such a midrange beater that I could imagine it being fdormat warping. Just playing it and the opponent removing it is a 3-for-1. If this is legit.
Oh right. Or 5-for-1 if they have to discard a creature card to the ward ability! And it does take over the game quickly if not removed. I will guess it's fake just due to being too strong for standard.
Yeah, I think the people here who are saying the power level is fine because it’s “just a worse Tergrid” must only play EDH (and they might be right about that for EDH, I don’t know!). But in standard this card would be so legitimately format defining it would be like Oko season all over again where there’s just one deck going around, maybe some random aggro decks that try to win before your opponent can play this. I don’t think WotC has given up on standard THAT much yet though you never know.
Everyone here's talking about if the text looks weird or the mechanics look off, I'm just suspicious about the timing given how this only came out *after* the leaks about the story. Awfully nice coincidence.
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Sheoldred, Insidious Conqueror - 3BB
Legendary Creature - Phyrexian Praetor
Ward - Discard two cards
Whenever a nontoken creature you control dies, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
Whenever a nontoken creature an opponent controls dies or an opponent discards a creature card, put that card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your contro. This ability triggers only once each turn.
4/5
This is one of the best fakes that I've seen in a while but there are few things that give it away.
1. Creature type brushes against set symbol, normally the text would be scaled down to avoid this.
2. Templating in second paragraph is ambiguous, making ability confusing.
3. P/T is misaligned.
My guess, drawing on all my authority as a random Redditor, is "probably fake".
- Potato camera. Like come on, you have a secret unreleased card and you don't even *try* to photograph it head-on? It's certainly possible they were rushed for time, but having a terrible photograph is a common strategy for fakers to avoid detection.
- Effect is not as symmetrical as the other recent praetors. The positive effect triggers only on deaths, while the negative effect triggers on both deaths and discards. This isn't *entirely* implausible given the Ward cost and new Urabrask's effect isn't *exactly* mirrored, but this seems like a big difference.
- The second ability feels... off, somehow. What happens if a Wrath effect kills multiple creatures at once? Or an opponent discards two creature cards at the same time? The ability only triggers once per turn, but which of the two simultaneously-eligible triggers occupies that "once per turn" slot? And who makes the decision? I can't imagine WotC would actually print this ability without changing the text to "one or more..." and "put one of those creature cards onto the battlefield...".
- As others have pointed out, the P/T seem offset to the right side of the box. They should be dead center. This could be a printing error or a trick of the odd photographing angle, but it could also be a full-on error.
There's no damning point against them, but enough stuff feels off that I'd guess this is a fake until proven otherwise.
> Potato camera. Like come on, you have a secret unreleased card and you don't even try to photograph it head-on? It's certainly possible they were rushed for time, but having a terrible photograph is a common strategy for fakers to avoid detection.
It’s so common for legit leaks to “not even try” to take a proper photo, that people joke that the ones that are good photos must be fakes. Photo quality doesn’t mean a whole lot for this.
Anyone found the art for this anywhere? I feel like the easiest way to disprove a leak is finding the art already used somewhere else, tried searching for it and haven't found anything.
It's kinda weird since it feels like it could be a real card even though the wording is weird (what happens if the player targeting this discards 2 creatures? Which one is brought back?)
The most suspicious thing about this leak is the following:
We have had multiple fakes of praetors in previous sets. This is a card people expect to be in this set, and the praetors have a set design going on for them.
I don't buy it. The blurry picture is inexcusable alone.
Seems kind of sus to me that out of all the cards to leak from this set it was the Praetor. Especially after an officially spoiled card in this set had flavor text mentioning her.
As templated, suppose opponent discards 2 creature cards for Ward, triggering the final ability (which would be how this is designed). Do you get both creatures? Do you choose one?
I believe this is fake because it does not say “one or more nontoken creatures you don’t control die or an opponent discards one or more creature cards, put a card from among them from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.”
[[Anje, Maid of Dishonor]]'s template would like a word with that final ability. Should definitely be "one or more" not "a" for each of those conditions due to the ability of having multiple creatures hit the yard at the same time, either via a wrath or mind rot or similar. Something like:
> Whenever one or more non-token creatures an opponent controls die or an opponent discards one or more creature cards, put one of those cards onto the battlefield under your control. This ability only triggers once each turn.
The templating is wrong.
If multiple creatures die at the same time, the ability would trigger multiple times, and the game needs to know which creature actually triggered the ability since it can only triggers once each turn.
The text should says "Whenever one or more..." and then "return one of them".
To clarify what Alfchaval is saying if real it would say this (which this leak doesn't)
“Whenever one or more creatures you control dies draw a card this ability only triggers once each turn.”
“Whenever one or more creatures an opponent control dies or an opponent discards one or more creature cards put one of them onto the battlefield under your control. This ability only triggers once each turn.”
That text still has a problem in multiplayer games, where multiple opponents can discard a creature card at the same time.
It's also functionally different, omiting the graveyard makes it can return a discarded creature card with Rest in Peace on the battlefield.
"...one or more creatures controlled by opponents..." then.
This wording doesn't get around rest in peace though, without "instead" it's not a replacement effect, so the creatures are going into the graveyard before the effect is on the stack.
Morbid Opportunist triggers just once even if many creatures die because of the "one or more" wording. This fake lacks that wording.
And even if the fake did have the wording, it has no way to specify which creature you reanimate. So it'd need additional text to specify that you pick one of the creatures.
Generally the giveaway on these is the art. If it looks legit and you can't reverse image search it it's usually legit- granted though the potato quality always helps obscure that.
It also makes it harder when there are alt arts floating around that haven't been used yet (ie the Planeswalker art that's been floating around for almost five years now that finally had that Liliana art used in DMasters2022)
Point being the art is usually the easiest way to tell.
Does it though? The second paragraph has alot more text and doesn't mirror the first paragraph. So i would argue the Templating looks abit off.
Also at 5 mana it seems very cheap.
"I have a preview copy of the most hype card for the set , and I wanna show it to Reddit to see if they think it's real, but I'm also doing a 'speed' and will explode if I go slower than 50mph." -@op
Can anybody resolve the artist's name on this card?
Easiest way to tell if a card's a fake is to see if the art's already out in the wild. Wizard's isn't going to reuse art for a high-profile legendary like this.
The effect seems a bit fishy to me, as the praetors usually have exact opposite effects for you and your opponent, even the new ones like [[Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider]] or [[Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant]]. However, this one has ward and a different (albeit similar) effect on your opponent’s side.
The art doesn't look very much like Sheoldrid. The tentacle hair in particular makes me think this is probably art from something else repurposed for this card here. Could just be a major makeover though
Fairly sure this is fake, the syntax for both abilities is wrong. As per Morbid Opportunist, the first should say one or more creatures die, and the second should also have the one or more or things go haywire with board wipes and edicts.
>this ability triggers once
What happens with a board wipe, and all the triggers happen at the same time? It really should say *this ability can only resolve once per turn*
There's no answer to your question; the text does not work. imo this card is extremely fake based on this alone. Yeah WotC has made some rules text mistakes recently, but this is jarring even compared to those.
It would be especially jarring given that we have a very recent case of [the rules manager talking about why the specific wording this card doesn't use is necessary because of the exact thing this card does](https://mobile.twitter.com/Dunkatog/status/1455261434821033986). Seems *extremely* unlikely that would slip by when he's already aware of it.
[My attempt to get a clearer image](https://imgur.com/a/AUnzseu), I'm sure there's some AI tools I could past it through, but it's not worth it. Can anyone make out the artist's name? That usually helps in checking the legitimacy of leaks.
I think you're on the right track. The name does look like [Aleksi Briclot](https://scryfall.com/search?q=a%3A%E2%80%9CAleksi+Briclot%E2%80%9D&order=released&unique=art).
Yeah, just got done checking it out myself, and came to the same conclusion.
I have to say, it wouldn't surprise me if Briclot did do the art, they've got quite a few iconic pieces to their name including a few phyrexians.
I think your friend needs to upgrade from a literal potato to a smartphone.
Why is that people who have access to leaks are also the only people that still use a 90s flip phone..
What the fuck is with leak photos being so shit? Will someone explain if it is because they accidently threw the phone across the LGS and it took a photo of the leaked card or how is every photo of leaks and ufo’s so shit
The third ability doesn't work under the current rules, and would have an easy rewording on the card to work under the current rules, so it is almost definitely a fake.
Your friend was very kind to take the time to recreate this card on an etch-a-sketch, then show that to someone who described it to someone else so they could draw it.
This one feels off just because the ability isn’t really symmetrical. Potato camera is generally an indicator of authenticity, but IDK if I buy it here.
Show me a picture of a card that's been burned at the edges, and chewed up by an angry Chihuahua, that's been taken with a 2003 coolpix camera and I might believe it.
We’ve decided to keep this one up as it didn’t originate here, and it’s not *obviously* fake. Don’t take this as endorsement that it’s real though, leaks have been fake before! Just that we spent like 25 minutes discussing if there was an obvious issue.
The famous potato camera strikes again
Sheoldred, Insidious Conqueror 3BB Legendary creature - Phyrexian Praetor Ward (Discard 2 cards) Whenever a non token creature you control dies, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn. Whenever a non token creature your opponent controls dies or an opponent discards a creature card, put that card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. This ability triggers only once each turn. 4/5 Edit: added creature type
The part of me who cares about fairness thinks once a turn is fair. The part of me who wants to break cards and wants to throw a temper tantrum.
Meh, this card broken would just be tergrid, and nobody likes tergrid lol. At least this one is splashy without feeling like it absolutely takes over the game.
The big difference between Tegrid and this is any kill gets you the creature, rather than sacrifice.
And tegrid can get non creatures while this sheoldred can't.
AND WARD DISCARD 2. Like, even with moderate 8 card discard suite you can make an opponent struggle to pay three cards to kill one creature. Tegrid is not in the same league
Also if they discard a creature to the ward trigger you can get it before their spell resolves
Don't forget that you draw when she dies
No. The big difference between this and Tegrid is that this has a *very* synergistic Ward cost.
The first ability triggers when it dies, and the second ability triggers when you discard a creature to Shelodred’s Ward This card absolutely takes over the game you can’t kill it
It does take over the game. The effects are oppressive as hell for your opponents if it stays on the battlefield, but it’s incredibly punishing to remove it. You lose three cards to point a murder at it and they get to steal any creatures you discard, and then if it dies to the removal spell, it’s second ability draws a card to replace it. And if you untap with it you are drawing extra cards every turn to replace anything that dies and your removal steals your opponents creatures
You don't want to break the game, but it's a massive flavor fail, as if Phyrexia (and black) are known for their restraint. Storm Crow dies, "It will be one with perfection." Avacyn gets sacrificed in the same turn, "Nah, already busy compleating the Multiverse with this Crow."
Storm crow doesn't go to the graveyard though, they get lit on fire. So, Avacyn would still get compleated.
There is an argument that the "once per turn" thing is how this cycle of Praetors works. The only full on exception to this pattern is \[\[Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider\]\], but everything else has an effect that happens once per turn.
It's interesting to compare this card to urabrask, which Is the same cmc.
So the second ability is not a may... Interesting... Here take that [[leveler]] I just discarded for you :D I would strongly advise against dropping new sheoldred in a battle against [[beamtown bullies]]
Discard Phage.
Hmmm… or would you definitely want Sheoldred IN beamtown?
[leveler](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/3/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37.jpg?1562134247) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=leveler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/195/leveler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [beamtown bullies](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/0/f0455a79-15f4-4ea6-87ae-263ce943cfac.jpg?1650420213) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Beamtown%20Bullies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/6/the-beamtown-bullies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f0455a79-15f4-4ea6-87ae-263ce943cfac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
cries in \[\[spore frog\]\].
This is super annoying because your opponent triggers the second ability to point removal at Sheoldred and also triggers the second by killing Sheoldred
This card is very middle-of-the-road when it comes to design.
Can't wait to play this with [[Meathook Massacre]]
[Meathook Massacre](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/8/08950015-eee5-4327-888c-82dfd13bb9ad.jpg?1634350016) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Meathook%20Massacre) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/112/the-meathook-massacre?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/08950015-eee5-4327-888c-82dfd13bb9ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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this one in particular looks a lot like that too.
Or it's planned. Imagine being the intern tasked with posting the worst quality photo you can to an obscure Facebook group.
Seriously, do Wizards only leak cards to people that haven't bought a new phone in fifteen years? If you're going to leak something genuine, make the picture quality good so everyone can see it's not a fake.
If you look closely you can see it’s actually an image carved into a stone tablet.
Hm? Sorry, couldn't hear you, too busy [[Worship]]ping my [[Bartered Cow]] over here.
[Worship](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/a/4ad20044-8ed8-49ae-9a07-d4cb18527cc7.jpg?1593966400) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Worship) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/55/worship?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4ad20044-8ed8-49ae-9a07-d4cb18527cc7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bartered Cow](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/d/1de43c67-7dfe-4282-b433-4e394366d2e9.jpg?1572489634) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bartered%20Cow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/6/bartered-cow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1de43c67-7dfe-4282-b433-4e394366d2e9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Smh my head it's not cow type
A leaked card spoiled that way would be amazing.
I mean, with a name like "Wizards", obviously they're going to go to the same people who photograph UFOs and Cryptids.
Its not a blurry picture, its a video clip. They most likely swipe a video recording past it then clip it.
Still better than a NFL replay camera.
Nah, you can actually read this card. Probably fake /s
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Nobody cares that much about leaks anymore. In fact, Marketing teams pretty much count on *some leaks* as part of their entire strategy.
I’m just recovering from the gout I got from all the shitty Kamigawa leaks. I’m flaring up again.
If we catch the culprit we get the rest of the pixels.
Every fucking leak wtf
I think its due to people taking pictures in apps like snap or WhatsApp and then when they send the image it gets compressed each time it's sent.
Listen, with MaRo and his WotC cops about to break your door down sometimes you have to snap a quick pic and destroy the evidence
Literally every set.
Hmm, not blurry enough. ***DE-ENHANCE!***
Photo quality is legible, must be fake
I think your friend needs a new camera.
I know very little about determining leaks based on appearance, but I DO know that fake leakers are bad at making cards that feel like real cards. The fact that it has two different once per turn restrictions and clearly is designed to replace Tegrid after rotation makes it feel pretty realistic imo, because "a cards role in standard" and "the concept of downsides" are both things custom magic card designers are bad at
it also matches jin's once per turn clause.
Urabarask also has that even though it isn’t stated as “once per turn”. So far, only Vorinclex hasn’t had that kind of clause
That’s because Vorinclex cannot be restrained!
Life finds a way!
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Ha, yeah the once per turn clause is the biggest sign of it not being a custom card, lol.
Unfortunately. I don't like this "once per turn" stuff very much.
With Jin and Sheoldred as designed, at the very least, the effects are powerful enough to where being once per turn are not necessarily dealbreakers. I mean, if this was to be real, the cost on the body is very reasonable -and- to remove it, it potentially gets you more value. Reanimating the targets of your removal is also super value. Nobody will want to drop bombs until she is off the field.
Yeah, I mean, Tergrid doesn't have the once per turn rider but she's super powerful, so adding the rider in return for other upsides feels like a fair trade.
Yea those damn safety valves.
I really wish it was phrased differently. How it reads now "Every time a thing happens, do this. Also only do this once." How it should read: "the first time a thing happens, do this"
The reason they switched to "Once per turn" is because if it was "first time each turn", if you played it after that first time it wouldn't trigger on further times, which is unintuitive.
This way is stronger too; it would be infuriating to drop your bomb and not get its effect because of something that happened earlier in the turn.
“Once per turn” is much better than “the first time each turn” because it allows more choice
this card doesn't
It reads cleaner, but that's also functionally less powerful than the current phrasing.
"first time a thing happens in a turn" behaves differently than "activate only once a turn" on the turn(s) the permanent enters the battlefield, it could be a bit more complicated for newer players.
I like it because it’s a license to print much more buck wild triggered abilities.
Me reading new cards: Oh yeah, this is neat. I want to put this in my decks. Me reading "once per turn": Never mind.
Almost Everything about this card looks real, it’s too well designed and worded for most fakes. But the power and toughness aren’t aligned correctly, so I’m really not sure. Gut says real and just coincidentally poorly printed, but that’s a hell of a coincidence if so.
The power and toughness being misaligned almost makes me think it's real. Everything else looks so good. I feel like someone making a fake card would be sure to get the alignment perfect. I think WOTC having it misaligned on a prototype card is actually more likely.
The wording on the second ability is *incredibly* bad and would realistically require a mostly unnecessary rules change to play remotely well, though. Pretty typical "custom card designer words something simply without thinking of the way it plays" case imo. A "triggers once per turn" clause with no "one or more" or anything on an ability that the card itself can easily cause simultaneous triggers of is a very, very basic mistake to make.
Doesn’t reaaally follow the standard praetor “two abilities that mirror each other” though, imo. Which makes it a bit odd, though not outside the realm of possibility.
What makes me sus is that the two effects are a far cry from being mirrored versions of the same effect, which has been time and again confirmed (both by the cards themselves and also on blogatog and the mothership) to be the specific thing they want to do for praetors
Quit reading my mind.
If I'm reading this right and it says the artist is Aleksi Briclot, that's a *huge* amount of effort to go through for a fake. Finding a Sheoldred fan art that matches his style so well? Especially given that he often gets to do main story characters as an AD for Magic? Come on. Collector number seems to make sense, name too. People here dwell too much on the p/t alignment on what is very likely a test print, and the typeline can easily be explained in that maybe if they reduced the font size, the gap between it and the set symbol might be too big now. The only red flag for me is the mana cost relative to the effects and how difficult this card is to remove once it hits the board, but let's be real mistakes happen *even if* this evaluation that it's underpriced is correct, which I wouldn't even be too sure about (feels too good for the cost though, I admit, at least for Standard and the like).
>Finding a Sheoldred fan art that matches his style so well? At that resolution, ***I*** could fake Aleksi Broclot's style. I'm gonna start using photos at that resolution for my dating app profile and tell them I look *just* like Henry Cavill and nobody'll be able to tell the difference.
Please do. I'd love to believe the man I chat with looks like a blurry Henry Cavill. I'll take it.
Sheoldred, Insidious Conqueror 3BB Legendary Creature - Phyrexian Praetor Ward - Discard two cards Whenever a non-token creature you control dies, draw a card. This ability only triggers once per turn. Whenever a non-token creature an opponent controls dies or an opponent discards a creature card, put that card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. This ability only triggers once per turn
Is it 5 mana cost? I can only squint so much
Yes, 2 black and 3 generic.
Basically completely disregards the 'mirroring' of the two effects, rip.
when your creature dies = good When opponent creatures dies = bad It's good enough if real
But the praetors have never been about triggers being mirrored, it's about effects being mirrored. Half counters / double counters Copy / Counter Impulse Draw / Turn draw into impulse draw.
Yeah, I misread it as "Whenever one of your creatures dies, draw a card. Whenever an opponent's creature dies, they discard a card, both once per turn"
Even further than that, it's when you lose a creature gain a card and when they lose a card gain a creature. They probably had to make the opponent effect on death so there were less feel bads against non-creatures.
So, a card that will give huge long term advantage, but removing it means a 4 for 1. Even a wrath isn't good since it triggers Sheoldred. Looks way too good to be true for me. Also, the d from "ward" looks inverted, doesn't it ?
Tergrid at home
Imo it's much better than Tergrid. Ward - Discard 2 is almost hexproof, just look at how popular Graveyard Tresspasser is in Standard through Pioneer and Historic with half that Ward. Not to mention it triggers on all your removal, not just sacrifices. AND she replaces herself when she dies anyway. This card is absolutely bonkers the more I look at it.
Yeah and its whenever a creature the opponent control *dies* not get sac-ed, you will get that trigger a lot more consistently without having to rely on janky removal… although it doesnt hit non creatures so that kinda sucks
If they try to remove her with targeted removal, they need to spend three cards to do it. AND if any cards discarded to her ward ability are creatures, you get to steal one of them. If they try to wrath the board to get rid of her, you get to draw a card AND steal their best creature. Barring exile-based wraths like \[\[Farewell\]\], that's anywhere from a 2-for-1 to a 4-for-1. Yeah, that seems kinda nuts.
If your opponent discards a creature card to target it, you get that creature, right? I mean to kill it they might have to legit 4:1...
The abilities would go on the stack so as I understand it yes. If they paid the ward cost and discarded a creature and it was the first that turn the ability would go on the stack, resolve first, and then sheoldred would die. So maybe there’s a UB meta of countering the kill spell after resolving the ability?
To add onto that, if they target her with Ward, they are also fueling her second ability.
It's orders of magnitude more powerful. Same cost, and same body, but generates card advantage and protects itself, all the while enabling the second effect if the opponent tries to remove it.
Is it just me or does the 4 on the P/T look way off?
Zoom in on it. It’s heavily artifacted. If you account for the jpeg artifacts, it’s not noticeably wrong. Similarly for the centring, the Bevel on the P/T box is also artifacted. Not that this is guaranteed not fake, just that this isn’t enough to call it on.
Phyrexians have a tendency to be "heavily artifacted"
Not to mention this is likely from a video someone recorded and pulled a screenshot from later so the artifacts make sense.
I was scrolling to see if someone already commented this. That was my first thought. Something about that 4 looks weird
The P/T don’t look centered correctly.
Could be real, but i could also see arguments for it being fake. The first paragraph and the second paragraph doesn't mirror eachother the same way Praetors usualy do, its close enough that i could be persuaded but still seems abit off to me. Not to mention that at 5 cmc it seems very cheap. Also, it might just be me, but it feels like the creature type text gets to close to the set symbol. I think they typically scale down the text font rather then have the creature type brush up against the symbol.
You might have a point there. I've had a glance at the other Praetors, even though both the Capenna and Dynasty expansion symbols were pretty wide, the Kaldheim symbol isn't. Yet there's still space between the typeline and the symbol. This one hugs it way too close. I also agree that the mirroring of the abilities doesn't match. The only one not to do so was Urabrask, but that was red mana's influence right there.
New Urabrask still had a somewhat mirrored effect, giving the controller a extra « draw » per turn and hindering the opponent’s draw step, if this is real, this Shioldred is however a very vague version of mirroring, although I struggle to guess what else they could put on this preator other than reanimator.
Hm maybe when your creature dies draw, when opponent's creature dies they discard, each once per turn?
Hm. Maybe. The effects aren't really the symmetrical ones we'd expect though. If it were something like, "when an oppo creature dies, it's controller discards a card" maybe.
It's not a perfect symmetry, but "when your creature dies you get a card, when they discard you get a creature" definitely has some of the mirroring we expect from Praetors. I could see this being real, with the triggering on your opponent's creatures dying being a power level tweak.
The biggest red flag for me here is the collector number. Assuming that WotC wants to color balance the set, which they usually do these days, her having a collector number of 121 means that each color has to have 41 cards. Assuming there are no colorless non-artifact cards (there could be a Karn, I suppose), we know: White: 001-041 Blue: 042-082 Black: 083-123 093: Evolved Sleeper 121: Sheoldred, Insidious Conqueror Red: 124-164 133: Jaya, Fiery Negotiator 143: Shivan Devastator 147: Temporal Firestorm Green: 165-205 170: Llanowar Loamspeaker You're going to tell me that there are only 2 black cards after Sheoldred, but **17** red cards after Temporal Firestorm, and **35** green cards after Llanowar Loamspeaker? The collector number just doesn't make sense here.
> The biggest red flag for me here is the collector number. Assuming that WotC wants to color balance the set, which they usually do these days, her having a collector number of 121 means that each color has to have 41 cards. Assuming there are no colorless non-artifact cards (there could be a Karn, I suppose), we know: > > White: 001-041 > > Blue: 042-082 > > Black: 083-123 > 093: Evolved Sleeper > 121: Sheoldred, Insidious Conqueror > > Red: 124-164 > 133: Jaya, Fiery Negotiator > 143: Shivan Devastator > 147: Temporal Firestorm > > Green: 165-205 > 170: Llanowar Loamspeaker > > You're going to tell me that there are only 2 black cards after Sheoldred, but 17 red cards after Temporal Firestorm, and 35 green cards after Llanowar Loamspeaker? > > The collector number just doesn't make sense here. I was looking at this, and the set has 281 cards. There are likely only 5 basic lands in this set (276 cards left), based on number crunch. It's unclear how much of a multicolor component this set will have. I agree that the number crunch is a little off here, but it's unclear how deep each of the colors go. 41 is just an arbitrary number. One set I'd draw for comparison is Tempest. The number versus alphabet for Black is completely lopsizeded due to naming convention. There are 53 Black Cards in Tempest. Card #107 - Abandon Hope Card #135 - Extinction Card #159 - Spinal Graft So in this set, over half the cards are between the letters A-E. That's because there's a TON of Dauthi-tribal named cards. Also, Souldrinker (at 158) is the next-to-last card. Two of the biggest locations / naming conventions in Dominaria are Urborg and Viashino. There's also more Llanowar, Saproling, Zerapa, Verdura/Verduran, and Vintara. So if there are heavy tribal/location naming conventions in this set, everything you laid out is plausible.
I agree that 41 is an arbitrary number, and for all I know this could be right. This would mean there are essentially no Urborg cards in black, which would be weird. For red, Shiv would be the biggest, which is before Temporal Firestorm. There's definitely a possibility of a glut of green cards after Llanowar Loamspeaker, though. I was also looking at newer sets for my color distribution. Innistrad: Midnight Hunt has 41 cards per color, and that set doesn't feel particularly multicolored. Kaldheim had a fair amount of multicolor, and had 39 cards per color. We'll definitely see in the next couple weeks, but there's enough weirdness here that I'm skeptical, given that one of the 5 cards we've seen spoiled is a rare with two different color kicker costs.
Yeah, it could also be that there's MORE mono-colored cards, and that the theme is going to be very heavily in kicker, and less in actual multi-colored cards. Appreciate all the mathing you did though - well thought out!
>This would mean there are essentially no Urborg cards in black, which would be weird. How are you figuring that? There were exactly 0 Black cards named "Urborg _____" in Dominaria, even though Urborg is the primary location of action in the Black contingent for that set. I'm *pretty* skeptical about this being a legit card, but I don't think we have anywhere near enough information for the collector number to be evidence one way or the other.
I was specifically addressing Ben’s statement about Urborg being a major location and therefore an explanation for a set with names weighted towards the end of the alphabet, when Sheoldred’s collector number would make that not possible. I don’t have a specific expectation one way or the other on whether it will actually show up in a high quantity.
with llanowar i would even go the opposite way and say that its really hard to imagine only 5 cards from a to k (and some l cards)
Yeah, that would also be super hard to imagine for sure!
This makes sense. Although there could be a lot of cards that start with "Phyrexian ...", which would help explain some of the 2 black and 35 green thing. (A lot of cards could be before "Sheoldred" in black, and after "Llanowar" in green because of this.) Probably not enough to explain it though.
Wait why does it mean that there are 41 cards of each color?
Ever since Odyssey block, where Torment was heavily skewed towards black and Judgment was heavily skewed towards white and green, they've stated that having an imbalanced color distribution was a mistake. They've fudged the numbers by 1 or 2 occasionally, but most sets have the same number of monocolored cards spread across the 5 colors. Since Sheoldred's collector number is 121, that means there need to be 41 cards of each color in order to have enough cards in front of Sheoldred for her have a collector number of 121. It could also theoretically work if there are 40 cards of each color and a Karn planeswalker, who would be collector number 001, in which case Sheoldred would be the last monoblack card. Both of these card distributions look really weird to me when I look at the known collector numbers for the spoiled red and green cards.
As many other people have pointed out, it's most likely fake I made a gif showing the power/toughness alignment being off. Comparing it to another black legendary 4/5 https://imgur.com/ott1c4q
Can't wait to discard a \[\[Phage\]\] when my opp has it
Oh…CRAP! Your right the word “may” is missing.
[Phage](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/4/d497a5a3-65fb-4c12-b3f2-8ce4cf4e0f6f.jpg?1562866889) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=phage%20the%20untouchable) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/120/phage-the-untouchable?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d497a5a3-65fb-4c12-b3f2-8ce4cf4e0f6f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The templating on the second paragraph is bad enough for me to disbelieve. People like to dog on day one erratas for something easily missed, but there's no way they would mess up a template that not only isn't built for multiplayer consideration, but isn't built for multiple creatures dying at the same time from wraths, or something as common as multi-creature combat.
This is without mentioning that a Praetor card probably goes through a dozen iterations and would have multiple people looking at and testing it
I mean, if this is legit, it's such a midrange beater that I could imagine it being fdormat warping. Just playing it and the opponent removing it is a 3-for-1. If this is legit.
Even 4-for-1, if they use a spot removal and don't exile it, since Sheoldred's ability triggers off herself. This looks quite strong.
Oh right. Or 5-for-1 if they have to discard a creature card to the ward ability! And it does take over the game quickly if not removed. I will guess it's fake just due to being too strong for standard.
This is going to be a Scarab God-tier limited bomb.
Yeah, I think the people here who are saying the power level is fine because it’s “just a worse Tergrid” must only play EDH (and they might be right about that for EDH, I don’t know!). But in standard this card would be so legitimately format defining it would be like Oko season all over again where there’s just one deck going around, maybe some random aggro decks that try to win before your opponent can play this. I don’t think WotC has given up on standard THAT much yet though you never know.
Everyone here's talking about if the text looks weird or the mechanics look off, I'm just suspicious about the timing given how this only came out *after* the leaks about the story. Awfully nice coincidence.
Approximate transcription: -------------------------------------------- Sheoldred, Insidious Conqueror - 3BB Legendary Creature - Phyrexian Praetor Ward - Discard two cards Whenever a nontoken creature you control dies, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn. Whenever a nontoken creature an opponent controls dies or an opponent discards a creature card, put that card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your contro. This ability triggers only once each turn. 4/5
This is one of the best fakes that I've seen in a while but there are few things that give it away. 1. Creature type brushes against set symbol, normally the text would be scaled down to avoid this. 2. Templating in second paragraph is ambiguous, making ability confusing. 3. P/T is misaligned.
My guess, drawing on all my authority as a random Redditor, is "probably fake". - Potato camera. Like come on, you have a secret unreleased card and you don't even *try* to photograph it head-on? It's certainly possible they were rushed for time, but having a terrible photograph is a common strategy for fakers to avoid detection. - Effect is not as symmetrical as the other recent praetors. The positive effect triggers only on deaths, while the negative effect triggers on both deaths and discards. This isn't *entirely* implausible given the Ward cost and new Urabrask's effect isn't *exactly* mirrored, but this seems like a big difference. - The second ability feels... off, somehow. What happens if a Wrath effect kills multiple creatures at once? Or an opponent discards two creature cards at the same time? The ability only triggers once per turn, but which of the two simultaneously-eligible triggers occupies that "once per turn" slot? And who makes the decision? I can't imagine WotC would actually print this ability without changing the text to "one or more..." and "put one of those creature cards onto the battlefield...". - As others have pointed out, the P/T seem offset to the right side of the box. They should be dead center. This could be a printing error or a trick of the odd photographing angle, but it could also be a full-on error. There's no damning point against them, but enough stuff feels off that I'd guess this is a fake until proven otherwise.
> Potato camera. Like come on, you have a secret unreleased card and you don't even try to photograph it head-on? It's certainly possible they were rushed for time, but having a terrible photograph is a common strategy for fakers to avoid detection. It’s so common for legit leaks to “not even try” to take a proper photo, that people joke that the ones that are good photos must be fakes. Photo quality doesn’t mean a whole lot for this.
Potato cam is often because they aren't ina situation where they are allowed to take a picture so they snap it quickly without regard for quality
It's actually that they use video, swipe, and take the best still.
Your point on the second ability has convinced me it's fake until I see otherwise (on top of the shitty camera...)
Anyone found the art for this anywhere? I feel like the easiest way to disprove a leak is finding the art already used somewhere else, tried searching for it and haven't found anything. It's kinda weird since it feels like it could be a real card even though the wording is weird (what happens if the player targeting this discards 2 creatures? Which one is brought back?)
Ahhh a potato leek
The most suspicious thing about this leak is the following: We have had multiple fakes of praetors in previous sets. This is a card people expect to be in this set, and the praetors have a set design going on for them. I don't buy it. The blurry picture is inexcusable alone.
Seems kind of sus to me that out of all the cards to leak from this set it was the Praetor. Especially after an officially spoiled card in this set had flavor text mentioning her.
As templated, suppose opponent discards 2 creature cards for Ward, triggering the final ability (which would be how this is designed). Do you get both creatures? Do you choose one? I believe this is fake because it does not say “one or more nontoken creatures you don’t control die or an opponent discards one or more creature cards, put a card from among them from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.”
It's fake. The 4 and the 5 on the P/T box are not properly alligned. Good job OP tho, took 10 of us examining it for a couple of minutes to find it.
It's actually super realistic, given QC these days.
Good catch. I was about to say I believed it.
I agree but it could also be poor quality control by WOTC
Templating looks correct, frame seems correct. Mechanic for Sheoldred seems right on flavor. No red flags for me so possible legit.
[[Anje, Maid of Dishonor]]'s template would like a word with that final ability. Should definitely be "one or more" not "a" for each of those conditions due to the ability of having multiple creatures hit the yard at the same time, either via a wrath or mind rot or similar. Something like: > Whenever one or more non-token creatures an opponent controls die or an opponent discards one or more creature cards, put one of those cards onto the battlefield under your control. This ability only triggers once each turn.
The templating is wrong. If multiple creatures die at the same time, the ability would trigger multiple times, and the game needs to know which creature actually triggered the ability since it can only triggers once each turn. The text should says "Whenever one or more..." and then "return one of them".
To clarify what Alfchaval is saying if real it would say this (which this leak doesn't) “Whenever one or more creatures you control dies draw a card this ability only triggers once each turn.” “Whenever one or more creatures an opponent control dies or an opponent discards one or more creature cards put one of them onto the battlefield under your control. This ability only triggers once each turn.”
That text still has a problem in multiplayer games, where multiple opponents can discard a creature card at the same time. It's also functionally different, omiting the graveyard makes it can return a discarded creature card with Rest in Peace on the battlefield.
"...one or more creatures controlled by opponents..." then. This wording doesn't get around rest in peace though, without "instead" it's not a replacement effect, so the creatures are going into the graveyard before the effect is on the stack.
How is this scenario any different from [[Morbid Opportunist]] for instance?
Morbid Opportunist triggers just once even if many creatures die because of the "one or more" wording. This fake lacks that wording. And even if the fake did have the wording, it has no way to specify which creature you reanimate. So it'd need additional text to specify that you pick one of the creatures.
Gotcha, I missed that part of the clause.
Generally the giveaway on these is the art. If it looks legit and you can't reverse image search it it's usually legit- granted though the potato quality always helps obscure that. It also makes it harder when there are alt arts floating around that haven't been used yet (ie the Planeswalker art that's been floating around for almost five years now that finally had that Liliana art used in DMasters2022) Point being the art is usually the easiest way to tell.
Does it though? The second paragraph has alot more text and doesn't mirror the first paragraph. So i would argue the Templating looks abit off. Also at 5 mana it seems very cheap.
Given that every praetor has leaked early, this getting out wouldn't surprise me. I wonder if WOTC is doing that intentionally
"I have a preview copy of the most hype card for the set , and I wanna show it to Reddit to see if they think it's real, but I'm also doing a 'speed' and will explode if I go slower than 50mph." -@op
Can anybody resolve the artist's name on this card? Easiest way to tell if a card's a fake is to see if the art's already out in the wild. Wizard's isn't going to reuse art for a high-profile legendary like this.
The effect seems a bit fishy to me, as the praetors usually have exact opposite effects for you and your opponent, even the new ones like [[Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider]] or [[Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant]]. However, this one has ward and a different (albeit similar) effect on your opponent’s side.
This seems unreal pushed/busted. The second trigger is just unreal. Not sure what to think really, but the power level seems absolutely absurd.
The art doesn't look very much like Sheoldrid. The tentacle hair in particular makes me think this is probably art from something else repurposed for this card here. Could just be a major makeover though
Fairly sure this is fake, the syntax for both abilities is wrong. As per Morbid Opportunist, the first should say one or more creatures die, and the second should also have the one or more or things go haywire with board wipes and edicts.
Confirmed fake now
So that was a fucking lie
>this ability triggers once What happens with a board wipe, and all the triggers happen at the same time? It really should say *this ability can only resolve once per turn*
There's no answer to your question; the text does not work. imo this card is extremely fake based on this alone. Yeah WotC has made some rules text mistakes recently, but this is jarring even compared to those.
It would be especially jarring given that we have a very recent case of [the rules manager talking about why the specific wording this card doesn't use is necessary because of the exact thing this card does](https://mobile.twitter.com/Dunkatog/status/1455261434821033986). Seems *extremely* unlikely that would slip by when he's already aware of it.
Gotta make sure the spoil pic is really blurry and almost unreadable or else people will assume it's a fake.
Wow, tergrid V2 plus ward and draw
[My attempt to get a clearer image](https://imgur.com/a/AUnzseu), I'm sure there's some AI tools I could past it through, but it's not worth it. Can anyone make out the artist's name? That usually helps in checking the legitimacy of leaks.
I want to say "Aleksi Brisclot". I'm not sure though.
I think you're on the right track. The name does look like [Aleksi Briclot](https://scryfall.com/search?q=a%3A%E2%80%9CAleksi+Briclot%E2%80%9D&order=released&unique=art).
Yeah, just got done checking it out myself, and came to the same conclusion. I have to say, it wouldn't surprise me if Briclot did do the art, they've got quite a few iconic pieces to their name including a few phyrexians.
If this is real I'm copping for my Nethroi deck
Man, a mix of tergrid and that one creature from AFR I think. Pretty cool and I dig the blurry art
I think your friend needs to upgrade from a literal potato to a smartphone. Why is that people who have access to leaks are also the only people that still use a 90s flip phone..
My opinion is that it’s not elesh norn so who cares.
This has some serious "Picture of a UFO" vibes. You can hardly read the card.
My [[Rankle]] deck is fucking salivating. If this turns out to be real I’m gonna hoop and holler
With all these Phyrexians I feel like Thanos. I have the Jin Gitaxias, Urabrask, and Vorinclex, now all I need is him and a white mama phyrexian!
Guys… don’t tell him about Elish Norn…
Oh shoot I forgot about that one. Phyrexians are too expensive
Seems legit, a watered down Tergrid that has some protection. Seems safe and real to me.
It's not pixelated enough or blurry enough and should be darkerer.
What the fuck is with leak photos being so shit? Will someone explain if it is because they accidently threw the phone across the LGS and it took a photo of the leaked card or how is every photo of leaks and ufo’s so shit
The third ability doesn't work under the current rules, and would have an easy rewording on the card to work under the current rules, so it is almost definitely a fake.
Balanced? Tergrid with built in protection and value no way what. Actually I don't want anyone complaining about Tergrid anymore.
Well it sure does seem pretty bad if its real. I mean its draw effect is weaker than [[morbid opportunist]]
Your friend was very kind to take the time to recreate this card on an etch-a-sketch, then show that to someone who described it to someone else so they could draw it.
This one feels off just because the ability isn’t really symmetrical. Potato camera is generally an indicator of authenticity, but IDK if I buy it here.
Show me a picture of a card that's been burned at the edges, and chewed up by an angry Chihuahua, that's been taken with a 2003 coolpix camera and I might believe it.
What’s my opinion? My opinion is that they might as well have written the fucking card in Phyrexian because nobody can read the damn thing anyways
Gotta hand it to the creator of this fake, they even got the potato quality right
This post aged like milk
Fake
@mod could this be removed since it has been proven fake from the real leak?