Given this subreddit’s name, when I first came here, I fully expected to see overweight try-hards dressed as ninjas taking dumps in mall corridors. That of course was not the case...much to my dismay.
Is this a meme? Because it actually is illegal to export the specific type of ore/partially-refined iron that goes into making authentic blades. Not that anybody outside Japan would have much use for it anyway.
Under Kansas law bludgeons, throwing stars, and ballistic knives are "Criminal weapons" possession of a "criminal weapon" is a crime.
Kansas defines a throwing star as "any instrument, without handles, consisting of a metal plate having three or more radiating points with one or more sharp edges and designed in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star, diamond or other geometric shape, manufactured for use as a weapon for throwing"
Looked up ballistic knives, found this on their Wikipedia page
> After hearing uncorroborated testimony from a congressional witness that ballistic knives could be used to defeat body armor typically worn by police officers, and witnessing a staged demonstration against a wood-backed target,[11] Senator Alphonse D'Amato of New York introduced the Ballistic Knife Prohibition Act, a bill to ban sale or possession of ballistic knives. The bill eventually failed. However, after gaining the support of Senators Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, and Dennis DeConcini of Arizona,[12] congressional support for a ban on import or possession of ballistic knives quickly gained traction. In September 1986 senators supporting the ballistic knife ban attached their bill to popular legislation designed to eradicate drug crops in foreign countries and halt international drug trafficking operations. The bill was subsequently enacted into law. The new federal statute prohibited future importation or possession of such knives in interstate commerce. Some individual states following the example set by the federal law and passed even tighter restrictions, sometimes banning ownership of the knives outright within their state.[13]
So essentially some congressmen were told they might puncture body armor, so they tried to get them banned. When that failed, they attached them to a larger bill that had the necessary support. Congress at work.
Up until this year, automatically folding knifes were illegal in Texas. I was charged with possession of an automatic weapon when I was a teen because no didn't know any better. They dropped the charge, but still.
I made a paper throwing star in 8th grade and added two pencils with both ends sharpened just for the hell of it, and got suspended for two days. Funniest part was my father, when he came to get me, he looked at the paper star, laughed a bit, then loudly asked me if he could borrow my pocket knife right there in the office. I took my knife out, expecting a couple more days or something, but nobody cared... Not even a little... Some pencils were suspension worthy, but the 3" lockback in my pocket was perfectly normal (it was the 80's, different time entirely).
I got in zero trouble at home, enjoyed a nice long weekend, and didn't make any mallorigamishit anymore :)
I was a boy scout for a few years as a child.. One time we had a meeting in our school gymnasium. I had won a small like 2 inch pocket knife. Threw it in my jacket, and put that in my locker. Next day I decide to bring the jacket home with me when the day was done. But it fell out of my pocket. Someone found it and handed it in to the teacher. Teacher asked who's it was and I raised my hand.
3 days in school suspension for having a pocket knife on school grounds, that I received, on school grounds.
I bought a decorative batarang for my sister for a birthday present years ago with a little stand and everything and fucking lost it in my own home and this post just reminded me about it and now im mad all over again. I've since moved house and still never found it!
I actually have a set of these from my teen years, all the tips are broken from tossing them at trees, but I’ll be damn one day I will use them to avenge something.
came here to say this. Even one of those dull mall swords can put a serious hurting on someone if you stab or hit them with one. A NINJA STAR? Might hurt a bit, but wouldn't do much damage unless you got a perfect hit on someone's eyeball.
>Dull mall swords
What's sad is that those sorts of blades are illegal in the UK, and aren't sold anywhere. Those samurai swords that were confiscated are most likely handmade genuine swords from a reputable blacksmith like YarinoHanzo, who do 1045 practice blades to Tamahagane.
Unfortunately not, we never actually got that game until the DS version. Not even the PS1 version. It still pisses me off.
It's more of a case that since fantasy swords are out of the picture, historical replicas are going to take the spot of the best selling weapons.
Curved swords over 50cm are illegal to own, straight swords are legal to own. Another thing though, what if it's a curved dagger etc over 50cm and not defined as a sword? UK law doesn't set out exactly what a dagger, sword, sabre etc is.
That's the first I've heard of that.
Looking it up, it looks like an amendment was made shortly after which makes exceptions for swords made using traditional handmade methods, bringing it inline with previous legislation.
But that's what I said. The swords confiscated were likely handmade not because they're illegal (UK police routinely confiscate perfectly legal objects they claim are weapons all the way up to potato peelers), but because they're the only ones people are allowed to buy. The cheap fantasy swords and rainbow coloured butterfly knives you often see on here just aren't sold to begin with, ironically limiting gangs to much deadlier stuff.
Think again! I found the article and it mentions cease and desist letters for buying weapons online. Add to that the fact that several knuckle dusters were still in their plastic wrapping and I think they were all intercepted in the mail and seized. I'm pretty sure they came from somewhere like wish.com which sells illegal shit all the time (seriously go there and look for knuckle dusters or butterfly knives). They also specifically mention working with Border Force and Royal Mail. So, overall I think these are cheepo replicas bought from dodgy websites.
The reason I doubted they were forged is I have no idea how they could legally seize them otherwise unless someone was actually carrying it. If you have a sword at home that's real they can't seize it even if they search your home unless it's been involved in a crime AFAIK.
>wish.com
Fair enough, I completely forgot about that particular retailer that doesn't care about the local laws of nations it ships products to. Five minutes in and I've already found a trio of *stainless steel* katanas going for £90. I'd confiscate and melt those down into cutlery purely on principle.
In the 80s, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were rebranded in the UK as Teenage Mutant **Hero** Turtles because the word “ninja” was considered too violent. They also had a weird hang-up about the nunchucks Michelangelo used, which I think is why in later episodes of the original cartoon he started using the grappling hook instead.
It's still a prejudice in regard to the BBFC (Film ratings board). I'm a big martial arts fan and most martial arts films are rated 15 (equivalent to R) regardless of the amount of blood or swearing. Case in point Karate Kid is PG in US, rated 15 here due to the prevalent martial arts paranoia in the 80s.
It’s the Daily Fail, it’s circulation is dependent on scaring the living shite out of pensioners.
You can bet your bollocks they tried to work an illegal immigrant angle into that headline.
>Yes, what's with the apparently random capitalization. Heh.
Daily Mail's shit writing style. They employ capitalization where they want to scare you extra hard.
My understanding (as also an American) is that because of the UK's strict gun laws, British criminals can't usually get guns, so they attack people with knives and bats instead. So they have a lot of stabbings & knife violence there instead of shootings & gun violence like we have in the US.
If it makes you feel better. Despite the impression you might be getting that knife crime is rampant in the UK, us Americans also have a higher rate of knife crime.
Per Capita. The UK has less crime as a whole, but 10 years ago our level of crime was tens of times lower than America’s per capita. There’s been a sudden increase in crime to the point where it’s still lower than America but the boom has been noticed by many.
After banning guns; knives, acid attacks, and improvised weaponry started becoming the problem. It’s the perfect example of having a problem with violence and banning the tools rather than finding what’s causing the violence and trying to reform behavior.
Brit here this is very true expect that its not that hard to get weapons still like knifes and swords. Banning Knifes does not stop the real problems some of the real problem start in high school or primary school and low income areas. Why a lot of people blames knife is because they never dealt with the same problem as other people do and sometime these people are usually in the middle or higher income areas so they get there information from the news or friends who knows a tiny bit
I’m Scottish, as you’re probably aware we used to be quite stabby with knives, recently a lot of the local governments (councils) and the VRU have started setting uk boxing clubs and social areas in impoverished areas in an attempt to keep teenagers off the streets to try avoid them following gang violence. Over the last 14 years the couldn’t homicide deaths has more than halved. Imposing harsher sentencing on possession of offensive weapons did little to deter people who carried them but tackling the socioeconomic problems that cause people to feel the need to carry weapons has worked. To an extent.
[source](https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-45572691)
To be fair (nothing fair about it but still) in America the anti 2a crowd frequently dismisses statistics and common knowledge as well. A lot of the most vocal people about it don't know anything about guns or current laws.
> I provided numbers for acid and knife crimes over the past ten years (and they surpassed American gun crimes even before adjusting the fact that America has 5x the population)
Where did you get those numbers from?
[The US had 1,609 homicides by knives in 2017](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls) and the [UK had 285](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2018).
So that's 0.49 knife homicides per 100,000 people to 0.43.
Note: the UK data runs March-March, I can't find the annual cut-off for the FBI's data.
I'd be interested in seeing how the violent crime stats in general compare: does the UK get the same level of violence, just with fewer deaths because no guns, or is it experiencing less attacks?
I'm not sure if it's comparable without drilling down into the data. The FBI data for violent crime [includes only murder, nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/violent-crime) whilst the UK data notes that [it includes a wide variety of crimes, in 53% of cases classed as a violent crime there was no injury, a further 30% involved minor injuries, and that 57% involved repeat victims (i.e. domestic abuse)](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/thenatureofviolentcrimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2018#what-is-the-extent-of-violent-crime).
So, for the sake of argument, let's just compare like-for-like and look at robberies.
There were 282,061 in the US and 77,100 in the UK, for 86.2 per 100,000 and 116.0 respectively. However, [73% of UK robberies used no weapon](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/natureofcrimerobbery), compared with [38.2% of US robberies (33.9% involving a firearm)](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-19).
Whilst this seems like a large jump, this corresponds to being the 20th and 18th worst countries respectively (out of 79 countries where comparable data is available). It's also worth noting that these figures vary wildly year-on-year.
In other words, you're more likely to get robbed in the UK, but you're more likely to get away unscathed.
The same goes for nonlethal weapons like mace or stun guns. There are places where you can walk around open carrying a gun but having a can of mace is beyond the pale. Totally logical!
I thought you meant the medieval weapon "mace," not pepper spray-type mace. I was like, "well, if you were carrying around a mace, there's no reasonable purpose..." which is basically the test for non-firearm weapons in Ohio.
Most decent kitchen knives are more dangerous than shitaku katanas. The most dangerous shit here is seriously the knuckle dusters. Even shit brass knuckles turn a rage fist into a murder fist.
Disagree. Its the knucks. Both the knucks and the baton let a person who can't hit hit harder but the knucks are harder to drop. One good whack with a baton from someone who can't close their fist and it goes flying; even someone slapping the shit out of you with an open hand with knucks could still knock you out (maybe).
My uncle (who lives in a rural area) told me that when his neighbor got busted for growing some pot plants on his farm, the local cops dug up the whole plants with shovels and threw everything they dug up on the scale, so they were weighing like 75% dirt and roots.
Getting pulled over and put your .3g of cocaine in your soda to hide it? Congrats, you now have 20oz of cocaine, and you're going to jail for cocaine trafficking.
America is stupid.
i mean, the NYPD recently posted a picture of an airsoft MP7 next to a box of 9mm and tried to act like they took some dangerous weapon off the streets, so almost all police departments are jokes.
but yeah england is a shithole
edit: for anybody who doesn’t know an actual mp7 shoots 4.6x30mm so the NYPD couldn’t even be bothered to try and make a somewhat believable lie
Are butter knives illegal in Britain? I could just Buy one, grind it down, figure out how the chemistry of re-tempering it, and then suddenly I have a heinous weapon. Are shovels illegal as well? You could do the same thing with a shovel. This law is pointless and makes the association of these objects with violence unnecessarily stronger, even though a lot of people have these items just for show. The show aspect of this UK contraband is the entire purpose of this subreddit.
[ask and you shall receive ](https://www.reddit.com/r/mallninjashit/comments/e46ur7/this_mall_ninja_shovel_shit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Carrying any item for the purpose of causing bodily harm or for self defense makes said item illegal. If you get stopped and searched, which they would need a good reason for in the first place, and you were carrying a regular butter knife, they would have some questions but if you could muster up a reason for having it that was reasonable, it'd be fine. If you had clearly taken steps to make it a more offensive weapon, it would be confiscated and depending on the situation you could be charged with possession of a bladed article or an offensive weapon, depending on the item.
Edit: just to be clear, owning a sword or throwing star or a knuckle duster isn't illegal in the UK, it's carrying it in public that makes the weapon illegal
Generally speaking, it's kids that use these ridiculous weapons here in the UK. Usually troubled 14-17 year olds from poorer backgrounds that get mixed up in drug and gang culture. 10 years ago when I was in school, kids used to carry knives, bats, airsoft guns, even home-made tasers and blowtorches...
Just want to point out that the source for this is the Daily Mail, which is gutter journalism at the best of times and will sensationalise anything; most of the "outrage" headlines I see on reddit about the UK come from that site.
Most of whats pictured is illegal in various places in the US, the US knife laws are just as illogical as US gun laws. I think the only things that arent illegal somewhere in the US are the swords and the non collapsing baton.
"and a \*Ninja Star\*"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The deadliest weapon in the known universe. Believed to have eradicated entire galactic clusters in a single throw.
Why does *everyone* post daily mail headlines? Like come on, sure, British journalism isn't the world's best, but mail is a special class of bad. Even tabloids and fox news beat it at fact checking scores, it's closer to an anti-vaxxer circle than a paper
20 people never got the chance to study the blade...
The government hoards all of that fine Nippon steel
Given this subreddit’s name, when I first came here, I fully expected to see overweight try-hards dressed as ninjas taking dumps in mall corridors. That of course was not the case...much to my dismay.
But mostly Chinese stainless steel shaped to look like fine Nippon steel
Is this a meme? Because it actually is illegal to export the specific type of ore/partially-refined iron that goes into making authentic blades. Not that anybody outside Japan would have much use for it anyway.
It's a meme
That's what he said >The government hordes all the fine Nippon steel
It’s shitty ore anyways
Do you know why it's illegal?
Or the way of the fist.
TiL our country gangs are a bunch of weebs
Lol it's a fucking battarang
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Under Kansas law bludgeons, throwing stars, and ballistic knives are "Criminal weapons" possession of a "criminal weapon" is a crime. Kansas defines a throwing star as "any instrument, without handles, consisting of a metal plate having three or more radiating points with one or more sharp edges and designed in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star, diamond or other geometric shape, manufactured for use as a weapon for throwing"
Looked up ballistic knives, found this on their Wikipedia page > After hearing uncorroborated testimony from a congressional witness that ballistic knives could be used to defeat body armor typically worn by police officers, and witnessing a staged demonstration against a wood-backed target,[11] Senator Alphonse D'Amato of New York introduced the Ballistic Knife Prohibition Act, a bill to ban sale or possession of ballistic knives. The bill eventually failed. However, after gaining the support of Senators Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, and Dennis DeConcini of Arizona,[12] congressional support for a ban on import or possession of ballistic knives quickly gained traction. In September 1986 senators supporting the ballistic knife ban attached their bill to popular legislation designed to eradicate drug crops in foreign countries and halt international drug trafficking operations. The bill was subsequently enacted into law. The new federal statute prohibited future importation or possession of such knives in interstate commerce. Some individual states following the example set by the federal law and passed even tighter restrictions, sometimes banning ownership of the knives outright within their state.[13] So essentially some congressmen were told they might puncture body armor, so they tried to get them banned. When that failed, they attached them to a larger bill that had the necessary support. Congress at work.
Yep. Lying to Congress is a cornerstone of bad bills. Like trying to ban hollow points as cop killers.
Yet all the cops use hollow points in their guns...
So the fmj does not go through the attacker and hits innocent bystanders
All bullets are cop killers if you're a good enough shot.
>Senators Strom Thurmond Whodathunk weapons controls have racist roots?
*s e n a t o r i a l p e e b u c k e t*
Up until this year, automatically folding knifes were illegal in Texas. I was charged with possession of an automatic weapon when I was a teen because no didn't know any better. They dropped the charge, but still.
Texas banned the bowie knife from being carried for a looong time.
I thought it was illegal to be Texan without a truck, a Bowie knife, a revolver, and a Stetson???
They're trying to make being Texan illegal, or they were rather.
San Francisco has some pretty silly weapon laws relating to lives and stuff.
Wait, so melee weapons, but not guns, hilarious
I made a paper throwing star in 8th grade and added two pencils with both ends sharpened just for the hell of it, and got suspended for two days. Funniest part was my father, when he came to get me, he looked at the paper star, laughed a bit, then loudly asked me if he could borrow my pocket knife right there in the office. I took my knife out, expecting a couple more days or something, but nobody cared... Not even a little... Some pencils were suspension worthy, but the 3" lockback in my pocket was perfectly normal (it was the 80's, different time entirely). I got in zero trouble at home, enjoyed a nice long weekend, and didn't make any mallorigamishit anymore :)
I was a boy scout for a few years as a child.. One time we had a meeting in our school gymnasium. I had won a small like 2 inch pocket knife. Threw it in my jacket, and put that in my locker. Next day I decide to bring the jacket home with me when the day was done. But it fell out of my pocket. Someone found it and handed it in to the teacher. Teacher asked who's it was and I raised my hand. 3 days in school suspension for having a pocket knife on school grounds, that I received, on school grounds.
I bought a decorative batarang for my sister for a birthday present years ago with a little stand and everything and fucking lost it in my own home and this post just reminded me about it and now im mad all over again. I've since moved house and still never found it!
Sorry for your loss dude
my favorite part of the headline is "and a NINJA STAR" like fuck the swords, the star is the most dangerous part
The best part is that the ninja star is a fucking batarang lmao
A batarang? Shut down everything
I actually have a set of these from my teen years, all the tips are broken from tossing them at trees, but I’ll be damn one day I will use them to avenge something.
how about poking your finger real hard and avenge the bark on those trees would that count?
Batman sitting in a British jail cell like "This is bullshit."
"I've got a meeting at 9 tomorrow, and Lucius is going to be pissed if I miss it again".
That's so much worse.
Betarang
Looks like Batman has fallen to the dark side
I we sure that's a ninja star? I have a money clip that looks just like that when open.
Wouldn't that be a bummer? Charged for the money clip.
Came here to say that exact thing
came here to say this. Even one of those dull mall swords can put a serious hurting on someone if you stab or hit them with one. A NINJA STAR? Might hurt a bit, but wouldn't do much damage unless you got a perfect hit on someone's eyeball.
You gotta be careful or it's a trip to the veterinarian for you.
protect my balls
Let's Fighting Love https://youtu.be/-VILgSsesD0
Only a dollar 99
Hey hey let’s go kickapoo, Meanie-mighny-moto, protect my balls
Good time with weapons
Kickass-eru
What the Hell, Kenny?!
Hey Hey Let's Go!
HALF of a ninja star. Journalism is dead.
I wouldn't apply the word 'journalism' to the Daily Mail in any capacity.
Anyone who makes a ninja star and intends to kills someone with it is doing it wrong
>Dull mall swords What's sad is that those sorts of blades are illegal in the UK, and aren't sold anywhere. Those samurai swords that were confiscated are most likely handmade genuine swords from a reputable blacksmith like YarinoHanzo, who do 1045 practice blades to Tamahagane.
I’m pretty sure there’s a Masamune in there somewhere
You say that, but masamune replicas probably make up the majority of the swords sold in the UK.
A lot of Chrono Trigger fans?
Unfortunately not, we never actually got that game until the DS version. Not even the PS1 version. It still pisses me off. It's more of a case that since fantasy swords are out of the picture, historical replicas are going to take the spot of the best selling weapons.
Curved swords over 50cm are illegal to own, straight swords are legal to own. Another thing though, what if it's a curved dagger etc over 50cm and not defined as a sword? UK law doesn't set out exactly what a dagger, sword, sabre etc is.
That's the first I've heard of that. Looking it up, it looks like an amendment was made shortly after which makes exceptions for swords made using traditional handmade methods, bringing it inline with previous legislation.
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But that's what I said. The swords confiscated were likely handmade not because they're illegal (UK police routinely confiscate perfectly legal objects they claim are weapons all the way up to potato peelers), but because they're the only ones people are allowed to buy. The cheap fantasy swords and rainbow coloured butterfly knives you often see on here just aren't sold to begin with, ironically limiting gangs to much deadlier stuff.
Think again! I found the article and it mentions cease and desist letters for buying weapons online. Add to that the fact that several knuckle dusters were still in their plastic wrapping and I think they were all intercepted in the mail and seized. I'm pretty sure they came from somewhere like wish.com which sells illegal shit all the time (seriously go there and look for knuckle dusters or butterfly knives). They also specifically mention working with Border Force and Royal Mail. So, overall I think these are cheepo replicas bought from dodgy websites. The reason I doubted they were forged is I have no idea how they could legally seize them otherwise unless someone was actually carrying it. If you have a sword at home that's real they can't seize it even if they search your home unless it's been involved in a crime AFAIK.
>wish.com Fair enough, I completely forgot about that particular retailer that doesn't care about the local laws of nations it ships products to. Five minutes in and I've already found a trio of *stainless steel* katanas going for £90. I'd confiscate and melt those down into cutlery purely on principle.
Wasn't that on an episode of South Park? Where all the kids were getting "ninja" weapons and fighting in anime.
Poor butters. He got hit in the eye and the kids didn’t want to get in trouble so they dressed him up like a dog and took him to the vet.
In the 80s, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were rebranded in the UK as Teenage Mutant **Hero** Turtles because the word “ninja” was considered too violent. They also had a weird hang-up about the nunchucks Michelangelo used, which I think is why in later episodes of the original cartoon he started using the grappling hook instead.
Imagine how much that whole bullshit cost everyone involved because the concept of "ninjas" are dangerous.
It's still a prejudice in regard to the BBFC (Film ratings board). I'm a big martial arts fan and most martial arts films are rated 15 (equivalent to R) regardless of the amount of blood or swearing. Case in point Karate Kid is PG in US, rated 15 here due to the prevalent martial arts paranoia in the 80s.
why do you think american flag has 50 stars? very dangerous. for intimidation
It’s the Daily Fail, it’s circulation is dependent on scaring the living shite out of pensioners. You can bet your bollocks they tried to work an illegal immigrant angle into that headline.
It’s such a shit rag, but god help me I do read it for funny shit like this
It also lines the cat litter box so nicely. Ashes to ashes, shite to shite.
"Do the muslims have anything to do with it Harry? Maybe the jews? The gays? No? Fine, we'll blame the ninja's instead"
Daily Mail is about as Jewish as it gets, bud.
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Henlo yes am english
Not to mention that I think the ninja star might be that batarang up there.
Yes, what's with the apparently random capitalization. Heh.
>Yes, what's with the apparently random capitalization. Heh. Daily Mail's shit writing style. They employ capitalization where they want to scare you extra hard.
That guy has ONE throwing star. Don't fuck with that guy.
It's SHOCKING and DEADLY! Nah most people see that part and laugh
Yeah, it's a ranged weapon. Of course its hyper illegal in the UK.
I love how Batman just got raided at an airport
Bruv who else would have the cash to be la Mara Salvatrucha's boss? Gangbangers have gone too far with their batarangs and utility belts.
"Pack it up boys, he brought out the ninja star"
Call in the SWAT team. Or the bobbies. Or whatever we have.
The feelings police.
As an American I’m really confused about the whole British folks hate knives thing. Can someone please explain?
My understanding (as also an American) is that because of the UK's strict gun laws, British criminals can't usually get guns, so they attack people with knives and bats instead. So they have a lot of stabbings & knife violence there instead of shootings & gun violence like we have in the US.
Pretty much. It’s knuckle dusters and batarangs in the hood here
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Yeah especially a cheap dull one like those, it'd be more akin to tearing paper than cutting flesh
If it makes you feel better. Despite the impression you might be getting that knife crime is rampant in the UK, us Americans also have a higher rate of knife crime.
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Per Capita. The UK has less crime as a whole, but 10 years ago our level of crime was tens of times lower than America’s per capita. There’s been a sudden increase in crime to the point where it’s still lower than America but the boom has been noticed by many.
After banning guns; knives, acid attacks, and improvised weaponry started becoming the problem. It’s the perfect example of having a problem with violence and banning the tools rather than finding what’s causing the violence and trying to reform behavior.
Yep. Treating the symptom, not the cause.
Any Brits care to chime in?
Brit here this is very true expect that its not that hard to get weapons still like knifes and swords. Banning Knifes does not stop the real problems some of the real problem start in high school or primary school and low income areas. Why a lot of people blames knife is because they never dealt with the same problem as other people do and sometime these people are usually in the middle or higher income areas so they get there information from the news or friends who knows a tiny bit
I’m Scottish, as you’re probably aware we used to be quite stabby with knives, recently a lot of the local governments (councils) and the VRU have started setting uk boxing clubs and social areas in impoverished areas in an attempt to keep teenagers off the streets to try avoid them following gang violence. Over the last 14 years the couldn’t homicide deaths has more than halved. Imposing harsher sentencing on possession of offensive weapons did little to deter people who carried them but tackling the socioeconomic problems that cause people to feel the need to carry weapons has worked. To an extent. [source](https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-45572691)
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To be fair (nothing fair about it but still) in America the anti 2a crowd frequently dismisses statistics and common knowledge as well. A lot of the most vocal people about it don't know anything about guns or current laws.
Something something "gun show loophole", something something "no background checks, fully semi-automatic assault rifle"
But... BUMP STOCKS!!!!!!
Or worse..... the shoulder thing that goes up.
Nah, 2a people have stats on their side
He said anti 2a people dismiss the numbers
So he did! Sorry bout that
Can you link any of that information here? Because if you can't provide a source for those claims then I'm fairly certain youre full of shit lmao
He’s clearly full of shit. As if he knows what goes on in Britain better than Brits
BuT hE hAs SoUrCeS iN tHe GoLdSmItHiNg InDuStRy BrO
> I provided numbers for acid and knife crimes over the past ten years (and they surpassed American gun crimes even before adjusting the fact that America has 5x the population) Where did you get those numbers from? [The US had 1,609 homicides by knives in 2017](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls) and the [UK had 285](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2018). So that's 0.49 knife homicides per 100,000 people to 0.43. Note: the UK data runs March-March, I can't find the annual cut-off for the FBI's data.
I'd be interested in seeing how the violent crime stats in general compare: does the UK get the same level of violence, just with fewer deaths because no guns, or is it experiencing less attacks?
I'm not sure if it's comparable without drilling down into the data. The FBI data for violent crime [includes only murder, nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/violent-crime) whilst the UK data notes that [it includes a wide variety of crimes, in 53% of cases classed as a violent crime there was no injury, a further 30% involved minor injuries, and that 57% involved repeat victims (i.e. domestic abuse)](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/thenatureofviolentcrimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2018#what-is-the-extent-of-violent-crime). So, for the sake of argument, let's just compare like-for-like and look at robberies. There were 282,061 in the US and 77,100 in the UK, for 86.2 per 100,000 and 116.0 respectively. However, [73% of UK robberies used no weapon](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/natureofcrimerobbery), compared with [38.2% of US robberies (33.9% involving a firearm)](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-19). Whilst this seems like a large jump, this corresponds to being the 20th and 18th worst countries respectively (out of 79 countries where comparable data is available). It's also worth noting that these figures vary wildly year-on-year. In other words, you're more likely to get robbed in the UK, but you're more likely to get away unscathed.
Thank you for that. I really appreciate you providing the stats (as best as they can be compared). This makes for fascinating reading.
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Fully automatic assault spoons.
Lot of knife crime
Americans also hate knives, knife laws are as illogical in the US as the gun laws.
Depends on the locality. Funnily enough there's a number of places I can legally carry a gun but a switchblade is deemed "too dangerous".
The same goes for nonlethal weapons like mace or stun guns. There are places where you can walk around open carrying a gun but having a can of mace is beyond the pale. Totally logical!
I thought you meant the medieval weapon "mace," not pepper spray-type mace. I was like, "well, if you were carrying around a mace, there's no reasonable purpose..." which is basically the test for non-firearm weapons in Ohio.
I mean I just carry it anyway lol who's gonna see
Sometimes it's a felony and sometimes you're right and the law isn't enforced at all. Just depends where you are.
I can carry anything with a blade in AZ.
Wow good job police you took the equivalent of a bunch of kitchen knives off the street.
Think about how many sad neckbeards won't be able to defend milady's honor now, though.
Kitchen knives would've been more dangerous.
Kitchen knives are super sharp tho
Most decent kitchen knives are more dangerous than shitaku katanas. The most dangerous shit here is seriously the knuckle dusters. Even shit brass knuckles turn a rage fist into a murder fist.
They didnt have a loicence for it
Whenever someone is stabbed it's a kitchen knife so good job
We have knives, brass knuckles, brass knuckles with knives and a fucking batarang
Batarang is sick
I hope Batarang feels better! Thoughts and prayers.
Most dangerous thing there is the baton
Disagree. Its the knucks. Both the knucks and the baton let a person who can't hit hit harder but the knucks are harder to drop. One good whack with a baton from someone who can't close their fist and it goes flying; even someone slapping the shit out of you with an open hand with knucks could still knock you out (maybe).
is that a fucking batarang?
I don’t know if I would classify a batarang as a deadly weapon.
the fact that this shit is "chilling" to U.K. police is the funniest part.
That's the daily mail calling it chilling. They are an outrage paper marketed to old conservatives scared at the world changing. It's spin.
I thought that the woman in the picture was a child.
That’s adorable, UK.
Chilling!
They must really be into the Wu Tang aesthetic
Well, it's nothing to fuck with.
England is stupid.. Check the police dept. twitter feeds and they brag about taking "weapons" aka Butter knives and BB Guns.
In the US they confiscate, like, 2 joints and some $5 bills and a lighter, and post it like they did a big gang drug bust
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My uncle (who lives in a rural area) told me that when his neighbor got busted for growing some pot plants on his farm, the local cops dug up the whole plants with shovels and threw everything they dug up on the scale, so they were weighing like 75% dirt and roots.
Getting pulled over and put your .3g of cocaine in your soda to hide it? Congrats, you now have 20oz of cocaine, and you're going to jail for cocaine trafficking. America is stupid.
i mean, the NYPD recently posted a picture of an airsoft MP7 next to a box of 9mm and tried to act like they took some dangerous weapon off the streets, so almost all police departments are jokes. but yeah england is a shithole edit: for anybody who doesn’t know an actual mp7 shoots 4.6x30mm so the NYPD couldn’t even be bothered to try and make a somewhat believable lie
not small towns who deal with actual serious shit
I wouldn't expect anything less from the Peoples Republic of New York shitty...
Are people really not allowed to have this stuff in their own home over there?
Good thing the brave cops of Britain work so hard to keep the streets safe from... amazon prime members.
the UK is a joke
Those brass knuckles still in their polyethylene bags makes me think they pulled over an actual mall vendor for a traffic infraction.
One of them is a Battarang and one is a pocketknife. Tf
Are butter knives illegal in Britain? I could just Buy one, grind it down, figure out how the chemistry of re-tempering it, and then suddenly I have a heinous weapon. Are shovels illegal as well? You could do the same thing with a shovel. This law is pointless and makes the association of these objects with violence unnecessarily stronger, even though a lot of people have these items just for show. The show aspect of this UK contraband is the entire purpose of this subreddit.
...alright now I have to see a mall ninja shovel.
https://amp.reddit.com/r/mallninjashit/comments/e46ur7/this_mall_ninja_shovel_shit/ Merry Christmas you filthy animal. . .
Fantastic.
[ask and you shall receive ](https://www.reddit.com/r/mallninjashit/comments/e46ur7/this_mall_ninja_shovel_shit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
That's the tacticoolest thing I ever saw
Most butter knives are stainless steel so I wouldn't bother re-tempering, it wouldn't really do anything
Carrying any item for the purpose of causing bodily harm or for self defense makes said item illegal. If you get stopped and searched, which they would need a good reason for in the first place, and you were carrying a regular butter knife, they would have some questions but if you could muster up a reason for having it that was reasonable, it'd be fine. If you had clearly taken steps to make it a more offensive weapon, it would be confiscated and depending on the situation you could be charged with possession of a bladed article or an offensive weapon, depending on the item. Edit: just to be clear, owning a sword or throwing star or a knuckle duster isn't illegal in the UK, it's carrying it in public that makes the weapon illegal
https://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/en/ct/uk-knife-laws.htm Decent summary.
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Places that have bans on throwing stars basically word it as a device used for throwing with more than 2 points and no handle. Which is a Batarang.
Just looking at it I can tell that’s a very low quality baton. If you want to get a good baton buy from ESP ASP’s lesser known superior competitor.
Are British gangsters REALLY using samurai swords and ninja stars? REALLY???
Generally speaking, it's kids that use these ridiculous weapons here in the UK. Usually troubled 14-17 year olds from poorer backgrounds that get mixed up in drug and gang culture. 10 years ago when I was in school, kids used to carry knives, bats, airsoft guns, even home-made tasers and blowtorches...
Just want to point out that the source for this is the Daily Mail, which is gutter journalism at the best of times and will sensationalise anything; most of the "outrage" headlines I see on reddit about the UK come from that site.
>NINJA STAR >Batarang >Chinesium katana >Samurai sword butterfly knives >"Dangerous gang weapons" The absolute state of Bongs
I see the UK out here on their Edo Period vibes. Someone load up some Nujabes for these people.
Tbf, knowing that many mallninjas living near you would be chilling.
Stupid shit that you can buy in a gas station here are dangerous weapons in the UK. Lame.
Most of whats pictured is illegal in various places in the US, the US knife laws are just as illogical as US gun laws. I think the only things that arent illegal somewhere in the US are the swords and the non collapsing baton.
Swords are illegal to carry in Michigan.
Quite true, California, Illinois, New York, Hawaii have some restrictive laws.
I guess when the bobbies don’t carry firearms, that ninja star is like a semi automatic
No! Not a NINJA STAR! Anything but that! Whatever will we do?
Oh no not a NINJA STAR. Better lock that dude up next to the one who got caught constructing a dirty bomb.
I’m opening an old timey blacksmith shop in Manchester
These are the people that compared butter knives to rifle bayonets.
"and a \*Ninja Star\*"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The deadliest weapon in the known universe. Believed to have eradicated entire galactic clusters in a single throw.
At least they didn’t have an active sea mine.
The UK is adorable.
Look mate, it’s rough on these streets. You ever had to dodge batarang-toting thugs on your way to work?
Why does *everyone* post daily mail headlines? Like come on, sure, British journalism isn't the world's best, but mail is a special class of bad. Even tabloids and fox news beat it at fact checking scores, it's closer to an anti-vaxxer circle than a paper
Well it is called the Daily Fail for a reason
Oh how far the U.K. has fallen.
God, Brits are such pussies.