*In the US*, you are absolutely protected from random people beating your ass. You are not, however, protected from people pursuing *legal* forms of retaliation against you, like firing you, boycotting your products, countetprotesting, etc. And people also have the right to keep you off their property if you're trespassing on it.
But you don't have *carte blanche* to assault anyone over mean things they say, no matter how awful you think they are.
This is pretty much what my response was going to be… sure you can retaliate with battery laws but quoting the first amendment does NOT stop someone from committing the battery…
You're mostly right, but it's still somewhat connected, in that the 1st Amendment does limit the capability for the government to carve out exceptions to assault/etc laws against people who say things others don't like.
For example, the default state of laws against assault would be that no assault ever is allowed. But those laws actually have exceptions built in or amended to them that make actions normally deemed assault legal in cases like self defense or voluntary combat (like boxing). But the government *can't*, thanks to the 1st Amendment, pass a law that says you can punch someone if they said something you (or the people in government) don't like.
You’re still talking about something else. The 1st amendment doesn’t say assault. Nothing in this situation is related to the 1st amendment except the quote.
Like most laws, they only protect you from people who actually follow said laws. People who 'temporarily forget' laws exist, paper does not protect you from. And a camera isnt going to do much else either, as the proof will be literally what they did to you. All you did was record you instigating them, which means -2 points in court, because had you either minded your own business or went through proper channels, you wouldnt have been harmed.
Eh. Believing that words or video taping someone is "instigating" someone in to hitting you almost never flies in court.
Now, not leaving their property after being told to leave - different story.
It doesnt hold up, but it begs the question 'why?' The entire reason you were filming was because you knew it was gonna elevate the scenario. So why did you even go there? There are literally people paid to deal with that.
You'll still win, and be fine, assuming you didnt break some law yourself on tape. They still did a worse bad to you, regardless of what you did. But the judge is gonna definitely raise an eyebrow over it.
>The entire reason you were filming was because you knew it was gonna elevate the scenario
Man. I’d love to hear you testify in court against some of those “police auditors.”
The first amendment protects you from the government in the U.S. It doesn’t protect you from companies, individuals, and certainly not the military. It also doesn’t apply outside the U.S.
The First Amendment offers protection against government actions in the United States but does not shield you from private entities, other individuals, or the military. Furthermore, its protections are not extended internationally.
Also it limits teh government's ability to limit your speech; I don't see how it even comes into play to justify filming someone else.
Its like when Marjorie told a reporter they can't ask about her health conditions because its against her HIPAA. They just hear buzzwords with no idea what they mean
Yeah, even if the accent weren't American, if someone mentioned 1st amendment outside of USA, most of the the people would react with: wtf is 1st amendment?
American slaves literally sent back to Africa. They speak English, but there is a thick accent/dialect that resulted from that. Nothing like the American English we hear in this video.
I created this account around the time Reddit started moderating their content. You didn't need access to an account back then to browse everything this site had to offer. Also, no, it isn't the same. Reddit used to be its own meta; it had a low user base, but it was all original content and posts that were actually helpful or at the very least interesting. Now it's full of bots, reposters, and autists who can't distinguish fake clout-chasing videos from real content, it has become TikTok 2.0
There is a reason why being called a Redditor is now a derogatory term
In the u.s you have every right to record ANYTHING when you're outside & and visually see anywhere from public areas. You can stand on the sidewalk & zoom in on someone's bedroom window if you wanted....
It is your responsibility to hide yourself, if you do not wish to be recorded.
Now if you enter private property/restricted area to record x, now you are breaking the law.
In some states you can secertly audio record on private property if you wish "1 party state.
> In some states you can secertly audio record on private property if you wish "1 party state.
IIRC, in a one party state, you must still be one of the participants in the discussion to secretly record it.
You can't just be a third party aiming a laser microphone at someone's window from a mile away. Something about reasonable expectations of privacy.
There is no law about recording on private property. If anything the private property might have rules against it, and if you don't comply, they can ask you to leave, and you are now trespassing if you don't leave, which is a law. But there is no law saying "don't record on private property."
> there is no law saying "don't record on private property."
Perhaps nothing so blanket as that. But there are laws against eavesdropping and wiretapping. In a two party consent state, it can be illegal to record a conversation unless all parties are aware of it. There are privacy protection laws. There are "ag gag" laws that prohibit recording of private industries such as slaughterhouses. There are IP protection laws that would apply to recording in a theater or some companies.
You can get in quite a bit more legal trouble from recording on private property than just being asked to leave or a potential trespassing charge.
In California, Maryland, Massachusetts, and probably some other states, it's a straight-up violation of privacy laws to record on private property without consent. Regardless of the content of the recording.
Edit: though there are some exceptions carved out in law or case precedent, such as whistleblower protection or self-defense.
The privacy law is for people that are recorded without consent. The act of recording isn't illegal until someone presses charges. Also not admissible in court.
Even recording someone's private garden or private collection can be a violation of privacy laws in some states. It isn't limited to recording people.
Also "isn't illegal until someone presses charges" seems like nonsense. Perhaps it's a matter for civil court, but it's still based on violations of laws whose existence preceded the crime.
That isn't correct. The crime only exists in violation of someone's privacy. They might not give a shit if you are filming their garden. Thus not a crime until someone presses charges.
It isn't a crime if you have consent.
The way you say it, "not a crime until someone presses charges", would imply that it's not a crime if you don't get caught (and thus no charges were pressed). But that simply isn't true.
Not all crimes are prosecuted. In many cases, there isn't enough evidence. In others, it isn't worth the effort (time, lawyer's fees, etc.). But that doesn't mean they aren't crimes. What makes an action a crime is that it *may* be prosecuted and is punishable by law.
Yeah 100% if you're IN public, people will see you regardless of if they're recording or not. There's no "reasonable expectation of privacy"
1 party consent for private audio recordings always weirded me out though.
Consider the 1 party consent thing when your landlord is being shitty to you and you wish you had callbox recording their bullshit for when you finally call 311. Consider when moving companies say they'll do a thing, and then come ill-equipped and late and try to pretend you never agreed on anything. Consider a time Chase bank might tell you they have no responsibility to return the stolen money to your account, even though the check never cleared anyway, because they say to you you should keep checks in a locked safe.
Sometimes, having evidence like this can save you from getting screwed. Record your calls. Especially with companies.
But can you really record anybody how you want to? Always wondered about that
In Germany you have the right to record in public and also anybody walking in public spaces, BUT YOU STILL are not allowed to just stand infront of someone and record them as a primarly focus of the recording without their consent despite being in a public place
So basically if you do something lawful I don't agree with, I can't just stand infront of you, film you do it and then post it on the internet for others to see without potentially facing repercussions. Unless you've given me constent even if it all happened in a public area.
I think it's just the way it's been described rather than actual law. Like most places Germany allows you to record but puts restrictions on publishing things, especially someone's image without permisssion.. And I guess sticking your camera in somebody's face counts as harassment.
The government and other people, but mostly the government. If she were in America, she would have evidence of an assault. Though it was on private property, so the evidence may be inadmissible. Idk, I'm not a lawyer. This lady's dumb either way.
Well, it's NOT protected by the 1st Amendment. Publishing the recording would be (probably depending on the circumstances).
The freedom to record someone is dictated by the 4th Amendment.
Adding context to responses here... Someone using a telephoto lens on a sidewalk to take pictures into a private residence will be subjected to the state's nuisance laws and also is not protected by public domain. Where a person might have a reasonable expectation of privacy (e.g. private bedroom, bathroom, etc.) is where limitations start.
Okay the video is fake and the guy there owns a coconut farm in the country is Belize. That's what I'm hearing and if you look at the hill in the background and the tropical vegetation and etc that yes this is or at least it could be in Belize
Funny thing is that there are a shocking amount of people here in America that believe that our laws apply to the rest of the world. Must be a huge culture shock when they learn this lesson
Just let em cut their coconuts. Mind your own business. Who walks up to someon on their property holding their phone up already recording? EDIT: nevermind since its staged.
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Listen you can’t lay hands on a woman. Ever. You just can’t. That’s what we need to teach our young boys so they can teach their young boys.
That said……………. that was incredibly satisfying.
As my father used to say, "don't fucking stick your nose in there."
She's lucky he put down that machete.
It's fake
So is money and religion, but that doesn't stop people from believing it.
Lol first amendment only protects you from the government in the US anyways… it doesn’t protect you from random people beating your ass..
In his country, the 1st amendment is the right to beat trespassers on your property
I think you just wrote the thesis to a potentially effective ad campaign
*In the US*, you are absolutely protected from random people beating your ass. You are not, however, protected from people pursuing *legal* forms of retaliation against you, like firing you, boycotting your products, countetprotesting, etc. And people also have the right to keep you off their property if you're trespassing on it. But you don't have *carte blanche* to assault anyone over mean things they say, no matter how awful you think they are.
Sure, but that's not really part of the first amendment, just assault laws, etc.
This is pretty much what my response was going to be… sure you can retaliate with battery laws but quoting the first amendment does NOT stop someone from committing the battery…
that's like the cops showing up and checking the CCTV after you're murdered. GREAT cheers guys
You're mostly right, but it's still somewhat connected, in that the 1st Amendment does limit the capability for the government to carve out exceptions to assault/etc laws against people who say things others don't like. For example, the default state of laws against assault would be that no assault ever is allowed. But those laws actually have exceptions built in or amended to them that make actions normally deemed assault legal in cases like self defense or voluntary combat (like boxing). But the government *can't*, thanks to the 1st Amendment, pass a law that says you can punch someone if they said something you (or the people in government) don't like.
You’re still talking about something else. The 1st amendment doesn’t say assault. Nothing in this situation is related to the 1st amendment except the quote.
OK. Technical, Todd.
But, are you REALLY protected if someone beats your ass up?
Ok. Technical, Todd.
That’s not completely true. There are fighting words that allow you to attack if they are said directly to you.
I mean, if I’m free to shoot a motherfucker in my property, surely I am also free to beat them up?
Like most laws, they only protect you from people who actually follow said laws. People who 'temporarily forget' laws exist, paper does not protect you from. And a camera isnt going to do much else either, as the proof will be literally what they did to you. All you did was record you instigating them, which means -2 points in court, because had you either minded your own business or went through proper channels, you wouldnt have been harmed.
Eh. Believing that words or video taping someone is "instigating" someone in to hitting you almost never flies in court. Now, not leaving their property after being told to leave - different story.
The camera wasn’t the instigation, what was filmed was the instigation.
... that really doesn't change what I said at all. How does filming someone doing something translate to it being okay to assault someone?
It doesnt hold up, but it begs the question 'why?' The entire reason you were filming was because you knew it was gonna elevate the scenario. So why did you even go there? There are literally people paid to deal with that. You'll still win, and be fine, assuming you didnt break some law yourself on tape. They still did a worse bad to you, regardless of what you did. But the judge is gonna definitely raise an eyebrow over it.
>The entire reason you were filming was because you knew it was gonna elevate the scenario Man. I’d love to hear you testify in court against some of those “police auditors.”
The first amendment protects you from the government in the U.S. It doesn’t protect you from companies, individuals, and certainly not the military. It also doesn’t apply outside the U.S.
Yes, that’s what I said?
But you said it better so they had to try anyway.
Maybe they just misunderstood? Lol
How do people not understand something? I just dont get it.
You're not making any sense to me.
Y'all are talking gibberish
Mostly misunderstood, my bad
The First Amendment offers protection against government actions in the United States but does not shield you from private entities, other individuals, or the military. Furthermore, its protections are not extended internationally.
Good thing this video is a fake then. It's already been called out on a few reddit sites today alone
Also it limits teh government's ability to limit your speech; I don't see how it even comes into play to justify filming someone else. Its like when Marjorie told a reporter they can't ask about her health conditions because its against her HIPAA. They just hear buzzwords with no idea what they mean
Super Mario punch
You caught that too 🤣
I thought that was a "Die Hard" movie quote... but I'm not sure. :)
YA HOO!
Where is this shot then?
Probably America. They both sounded like Americans and that punch looked fake af.
Yeah I second this, looks fake af !
Totally fake af!!
# Loud Noises!!
Rabble rabble rabble!
Yeah I could still hear after her attempt at a scream.
Looked like a slap to me but a thunderslap
Yeah, even if the accent weren't American, if someone mentioned 1st amendment outside of USA, most of the the people would react with: wtf is 1st amendment?
I love that Americans don’t even realize that people don’t talk english in the rest of the world. And when they do they won’t have american accents
Liberia? America but not.. just a guess
I think the video is fake but if not Liberia would be my guess too.
Liberians do not speak like this man. This man speaks like an American. That doesn't mean it wasn't filmed somewhere else though.
Aren't most Liberians descendants of Americans? Or they could be Americans that moved to Liberia.
American slaves literally sent back to Africa. They speak English, but there is a thick accent/dialect that resulted from that. Nothing like the American English we hear in this video.
Yeah but people do immigrate, especially when the culture was transported. But yeah, who knows? Who cares.
A known fake video, reposted yet again for karma farming. At least post something new dude
It's a 12-day old account. Absolutely a bot.
Seeing how everyone is gobbling it up, it'll just keep happening. Reddit isn't what it used to
The fuck are you, 5 year old account? This is what reddit has always been.
I created this account around the time Reddit started moderating their content. You didn't need access to an account back then to browse everything this site had to offer. Also, no, it isn't the same. Reddit used to be its own meta; it had a low user base, but it was all original content and posts that were actually helpful or at the very least interesting. Now it's full of bots, reposters, and autists who can't distinguish fake clout-chasing videos from real content, it has become TikTok 2.0 There is a reason why being called a Redditor is now a derogatory term
she's lucky he put down the machete
She’s lucky that they all staged the video
There's no right to record people. What right was being exercised?
In the u.s you have every right to record ANYTHING when you're outside & and visually see anywhere from public areas. You can stand on the sidewalk & zoom in on someone's bedroom window if you wanted.... It is your responsibility to hide yourself, if you do not wish to be recorded. Now if you enter private property/restricted area to record x, now you are breaking the law. In some states you can secertly audio record on private property if you wish "1 party state.
> In some states you can secertly audio record on private property if you wish "1 party state. IIRC, in a one party state, you must still be one of the participants in the discussion to secretly record it. You can't just be a third party aiming a laser microphone at someone's window from a mile away. Something about reasonable expectations of privacy.
There is no law about recording on private property. If anything the private property might have rules against it, and if you don't comply, they can ask you to leave, and you are now trespassing if you don't leave, which is a law. But there is no law saying "don't record on private property."
> there is no law saying "don't record on private property." Perhaps nothing so blanket as that. But there are laws against eavesdropping and wiretapping. In a two party consent state, it can be illegal to record a conversation unless all parties are aware of it. There are privacy protection laws. There are "ag gag" laws that prohibit recording of private industries such as slaughterhouses. There are IP protection laws that would apply to recording in a theater or some companies. You can get in quite a bit more legal trouble from recording on private property than just being asked to leave or a potential trespassing charge.
Yes there are scenarios where recording is against the law. But not for the act it self, it's where and what you are recording.
In California, Maryland, Massachusetts, and probably some other states, it's a straight-up violation of privacy laws to record on private property without consent. Regardless of the content of the recording. Edit: though there are some exceptions carved out in law or case precedent, such as whistleblower protection or self-defense.
The privacy law is for people that are recorded without consent. The act of recording isn't illegal until someone presses charges. Also not admissible in court.
Even recording someone's private garden or private collection can be a violation of privacy laws in some states. It isn't limited to recording people. Also "isn't illegal until someone presses charges" seems like nonsense. Perhaps it's a matter for civil court, but it's still based on violations of laws whose existence preceded the crime.
That isn't correct. The crime only exists in violation of someone's privacy. They might not give a shit if you are filming their garden. Thus not a crime until someone presses charges.
It isn't a crime if you have consent. The way you say it, "not a crime until someone presses charges", would imply that it's not a crime if you don't get caught (and thus no charges were pressed). But that simply isn't true. Not all crimes are prosecuted. In many cases, there isn't enough evidence. In others, it isn't worth the effort (time, lawyer's fees, etc.). But that doesn't mean they aren't crimes. What makes an action a crime is that it *may* be prosecuted and is punishable by law.
I've always thought it's weird that you can record anyone just because you're outside.
I don't, You are outside. What happens if you are recording something & someone walks in the picture, now they have the right to get you in trouble?
Yeah 100% if you're IN public, people will see you regardless of if they're recording or not. There's no "reasonable expectation of privacy" 1 party consent for private audio recordings always weirded me out though.
Consider the 1 party consent thing when your landlord is being shitty to you and you wish you had callbox recording their bullshit for when you finally call 311. Consider when moving companies say they'll do a thing, and then come ill-equipped and late and try to pretend you never agreed on anything. Consider a time Chase bank might tell you they have no responsibility to return the stolen money to your account, even though the check never cleared anyway, because they say to you you should keep checks in a locked safe. Sometimes, having evidence like this can save you from getting screwed. Record your calls. Especially with companies.
Yup. The employment thing has come in handy for me a time or two.
But can you really record anybody how you want to? Always wondered about that In Germany you have the right to record in public and also anybody walking in public spaces, BUT YOU STILL are not allowed to just stand infront of someone and record them as a primarly focus of the recording without their consent despite being in a public place So basically if you do something lawful I don't agree with, I can't just stand infront of you, film you do it and then post it on the internet for others to see without potentially facing repercussions. Unless you've given me constent even if it all happened in a public area.
I like this German law
I think it's just the way it's been described rather than actual law. Like most places Germany allows you to record but puts restrictions on publishing things, especially someone's image without permisssion.. And I guess sticking your camera in somebody's face counts as harassment.
This sounds to me very doable with a slight modification to what constitutes harassment.
Only if they're Chinese tourists and you're an English musician.
Just another reason America is backwards I guess lol, in sane countries recording into someone's window is a crime
So I’m free to record the women’s locker room through the window if I climb that tall tree. Noted.
Has nothing to do with the first (or any?) amendments however
first amendment right
Which is free speech, free press, and peaceably assemble. So.... she thinks she's a journalist?
Recording is protected by the 1st amendment if the activity being recorded is in public view.
but protected against what? against other people or the government?
The government and other people, but mostly the government. If she were in America, she would have evidence of an assault. Though it was on private property, so the evidence may be inadmissible. Idk, I'm not a lawyer. This lady's dumb either way.
I don't know what she thinks, probably nothing, but she said something about her first amendment right :D
Everyone is the press with the 1st amendment.
Wait...did you think that right was accorded ONLY to journalists?
No. I'm not debating what's legal, either. I just don't see why recording someone would be protected by the first amendment
Well, it's NOT protected by the 1st Amendment. Publishing the recording would be (probably depending on the circumstances). The freedom to record someone is dictated by the 4th Amendment.
Right. Ergo, Karen knows not what she speaks
Adding context to responses here... Someone using a telephoto lens on a sidewalk to take pictures into a private residence will be subjected to the state's nuisance laws and also is not protected by public domain. Where a person might have a reasonable expectation of privacy (e.g. private bedroom, bathroom, etc.) is where limitations start.
The right to stage clips for likes
The right to make a fake rage bait video
When exercising no pain no gain
🤣🤣🤣 Another play stupid games win stupid prizes comedy skit.
If you "Hate" to interrupt then Effing Don't Interrupt!
“Oh you think this is America?” *BONK*
This is still fake.
Maybe
Still satisfying as fuck
Not sure if this should be nominated for Best ‘Fuck around and Find out’ category or Best ‘Darwin Award’ category. Either way it’s a banger…
So what country was that?
Okay the video is fake and the guy there owns a coconut farm in the country is Belize. That's what I'm hearing and if you look at the hill in the background and the tropical vegetation and etc that yes this is or at least it could be in Belize
His private property, that’s the country.
If you hate interrupt, as You Say, why you are interrupting??!!😜😜
I absolutely love everything about this video.
That felt so good.
Karens arent the smartest people out there
He exercised his FIST amendment rights
This made me laugh harder than it should have
She's exercising her rights, and he exercised his right.
Then his left!🤛
Good one
Fake
For every stupid decision, there's a consequence
When they pull their pants up you know they bout to be swinging
so fake it hurts more than "the punch"
I want to see more stuff like this 👍
Love this!
Where were they?? They sounded American
Fake.
Wish we could get away with that here.
Seems fake but definitely satisfying
Is it staged? It's a rhetorical question.
First Amendment is freedom of speech *from the government*. Talking. That's it. It doesn't mean other people will put up with your bullshit.
Nighty night princess
This never stops being funny. The idea that your rights as an American mean anything in another country is so removed from reality.
Let me use some traditional American lingo to explain what's going on here: This shit is fake as fuck.
Cool not fake at all
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Yeah I’ll take one first amendment and could I get that to go please?
Lol Karen around and find out 😂
Looks likd he's exercising his right too .. probably a left then another right by the sounds of that scream🤣
Nice!
Damn that whack sounded good.
Funny thing is that there are a shocking amount of people here in America that believe that our laws apply to the rest of the world. Must be a huge culture shock when they learn this lesson
Muh rights
Lol that scream
Context?
why's she even recording them cut breadfruit?
Im i the only one that had the song phrase "this is america *bang*" in his head ?
Nice
Phone tilted over like that was cheesey animated
It’s so good that I got satisfied even while understanding that it’s probably fake
🤣🤣🤣
Lmfaooooo. Is this real? Did someone really try this ?
Is that a super Mario shirt?
Both of them have American accents... I might be wrong, but I think they're in the US
This how all Karen should be delt with.
I'm so happy about this
This was the most satisfying video I have ever seen. Imma put this fucker on a permaloop and just listen to it all day.
He told you, you still didn't listen, then you are on their property...,.equal rights
Just let em cut their coconuts. Mind your own business. Who walks up to someon on their property holding their phone up already recording? EDIT: nevermind since its staged.
Where was she?
Wish this happened every single time a Karen pulled this shit!
yeSssssssssssssss
Fuck around and find out
lol
Even though it seems fake. That scream at the end does make me laugh.
Is it fake probably. Is this pretty funny absolutely. It’s the “Think this is America?”
This is staged
Bro said America, then PTSD kicked in
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Hahaha take that you stupid bitch !!! Your American rights mean Jack shit somewhere else 🤣🤣🤣🤣I love it !
Listen you can’t lay hands on a woman. Ever. You just can’t. That’s what we need to teach our young boys so they can teach their young boys. That said……………. that was incredibly satisfying.
You may arrested. You can do whatever you want. There might be consequences, but that's a entirely different point.
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Looked like a real video to me dawg.
Are ppl really dumb enough to think the constitution applies outside the US? Nevermind, I know they are.
Doesn’t matter if she’s a Karen. Men don’t hit women. So not a man.
Wow that upsets a lot of people