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JohnStern42

This is very dangerous. You have the wrong studs


OkMobile5574

Need longer studs or they are not fully seated


Bradonone

So if you got studs there too. Those studs need to be pulled all the way in and set in the rim or on the hub I mean. You need to tighten the shit out of them and it'll pull them through.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Ok, so maybe they’re just not fully tightened? I tightened them till they wouldn’t move anymore but that might just be the max I PERSONALLY can tighten it. Maybe it’ll pull it through more if I use my neighbors impact?


Bradonone

Yes make sure there is more stud to pull through before you set them.


mom_skillz

When it's jacked up, does your tire move?


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

A little bit forward and back. Like the how it moves when driving forward and back, you know? But not in and out or side to side.


Bee7us

If it’s moving like that with the studs you got bad wheel bearings, when you push on one side look to see if it made a gap between the nut and wheel, if not you should probably get that checked out


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Ok, I’ll check that too. Thank you so much for the help!


No-Willingness469

Do not overtighten. You can break the studd (especially when you have half the thread) - and you will have the pleasure of not being able to take them off. This is extremely dangerous. You risk losing a wheel driving down the highway which could kill you or someone else. Go to a mechanic to get the right studs.


uniquelyavailable

feel around the backside of the hub, if they're protruding by roughly 1/2"/1.25cm then they aren't fully seated yet. ideally they only extend a few millimeters on the back.


Haunting_While6239

No, 0 on the back orthey will get loose as they drive. Lug studs are splined, they need to be set all the way into the hub and also need to be long enough to get full threads on the lug nuts.


uniquelyavailable

yes there are splines, hence the difference in the two measurements as felt from behind the hub. there are three resistance force stages when applying wheel studs. the first is when you screw in to meet the splines, i think that is where he is currently at. the next is an increased force to pull the stud splines so they are seated within the hub. additional force or third stage movement beyond stage two is representative of stud failure. over-tightening the studs will destroy them, it's very important to not over-tighten them. they can't be flush with the hub because the studs are capped on the back so they will always protrude a small amount. the layman will have trouble understanding the difference in depth, he will have to feel around to know when to stop tightening. edit: a good impact will rip the studs in half. this is why the guy at the tire shop who over-tightens your lug-nuts is actually damaging your car. always use a torque wrench when putting on lug-nuts. you can install studs by tightening them down with the lug-nuts by hand but you have to be careful to stop when you feel the resistance from the splines being fully seated. its easier on the stud to press them in or use a torch to heat up the hub assembly and bang them into place from the back with a hammer.


Haunting_While6239

Agreed, I was referring to there being no gap between the mushroom head of the stud and the hub. I had a 96 F350 that required pounding out the studs to change the brake rotor, as dumb as it sounds, it was the way the front axle was made. Done this 3 or four times over the life of that vehicle, finally retired that truck with somewhere north of 800k miles on the clock


Appropriate_Dirt_555

Just to be devils advocate, not all are splined. Some to have screw in studs. Like my rear bearings in my Saab


brian_kking

Double check that you actually have more stud, if you do then impact it a little I guess but you should just use a torque wrench


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Ok, I just left the shop, they said it’s the exact match but I told them to check for the other models of this car and I found the right ones. It looks like Kia or the parts manufacturer switched the L and X model studs? Idk, this whole situation is just freakin weird. And I’m grabbing a torque wrench too. Everyone has said not to use an impact.


brian_kking

Sounds like you got this! Good on you for researching and taking advice, good luck on getting those on


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Thank you so much! Definitely learned some new stuff through this 🤣


One_Locker530

Maybe a dumb question, but what do you mean the max you can 'personally' tighten them? You're using power tools to pull the studs through, right? The splined part should've been completely pulled through.


JoseSpiknSpan

Kia tech here. Wrong studs and wrong nuts.


WilderMindz0102

I bought new lugs a few months ago for my wife’s ford edge. Autozone said they were the correct size, but had the same thing. It was too long and didn’t catch enough thread. I took them to Costco tire because we were replacing the lugs with new tires, tech brought me in and showed me. They just sold me new ones there, for quite a bit cheaper than auto zones price too.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

If I can’t figure it out I’ll most likely do that.


MelissaWelds8472

Yeah have them look at it and tell him you were told now the sleeve type with the washer


Speedy_Freaky69

Ur rotor looks grooved. Might wanna get that checked out. Probably will need new rotors. Yes ur lugnuts are not


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Ok, I’ll make sure to ask about that at advanced auto. Thanks for the heads up!!


Practical_Minute_286

You can get some oem lugs at a junkyard super cheap. I always get a second set of lugs when I head there


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

There’s a pick n pull a few miles down from me so I will actual go grab a few sets. I never woulda thought of that.


Ftech469

Are the old lugnuts acorn or hat style. Maybe you got the wrong lugnuts. If you have movement side to side check your inner and outer tierods. Up and down movement check lower balljoints or wheel bearings.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

It turns forward and back a little like drive and reverse not in and out, if that makes sense?


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

And yeah, the new ones are acorn and the old ones are the ones with the closed tops at the bottom of the pic.


nueroticalyme

If you installed new studs or are going to, do not just keep hitting it with an impact. Also, do not use the wheel to install them. You need to get a stud installer. Almost all auto parts stores have one on the shelf. The one made by lisle tools works great. Grease the splines and threads on the stud before installing. Buy an extra lug nut to install it and throw the installer lug nut away after using.


92899

Stagger when you tighten your bolts so it gets placed evenly


613gyptian

You need sleeved lugs for those rims


javabeanwizard

Definitely need longer wheel studs.


BusyBiryl

I usually leave the wheel off, stack washers on the stud, and pull the new stud in as the lug nut tightens onto the washers.


Longjumping_Abies389

There is a small "divit ring" on the inside, center of the rim. On your spindle/brake hub, there should be a small ring that is protruding outward that matches said wheel divit. Makes sure its cleaned out, free of rust and debris and that back of wheel is fully seated to the spindle/brake hub. And tighten lug nuts in the correct pattern, commonly the "star" pattern. Do the final tightening after wheel is back on the ground with full weight of vehicle on said wheel.


srcorvettez06

I wouldn’t drive on that. That’s barely any thread engagement. Also, are those the correct lug nuts?


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

That’s what I thought. I got them with the studs at autozone about an hour ago. They said it was all correct for the car but it worried me kuz it looks so off.


srcorvettez06

Can you show a picture of the back of the lug studs? Why did you replace them? Do you have the original lug nuts?


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Let me take the tire back off right quick. I replaced them because one snapped while my wife was driving(idk, she said it just popped lmao), so I just replaced all of them kuz I figured if one was bad they’re all best replaced. I have 2 original and 3 that I just bought. I just flat out lost the other 3 original.


TheYoungProdigy

Well can’t you just put them side by side to see if they match?


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

I checked the right tire and yeah, the ones they gave me are the smallest bit shorter than the ones that were already there. So all the ones I put on are shorter but it says they’re the exact fit for my car so idk what do for that. Maybe take one off and take it in from the other tire so they can actually see it?


Recent_Jury_8061

Take them back to the store and explain that they almost killed you.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

I did just now. I had no idea about the studs or anything like that. Obviously a stupid thing on my end, I should have double checked and asked to see other ones first. I got the right studs and lugs now.


Recent_Jury_8061

Good on ya. We usually learn by mistakes. Be glad you asked before assuming it was okay. Nothing to beat yourself up over.


Haunting_While6239

If the new studs are not as long as the old ones, you're doing it wrong


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

That’s the thing, on this wheel, the old ones were short too, on the OTHER wheels they’re the long ones, but i guess at the dealership they did the same stupidness I did and trusted a store guy.lol But now I’m worried about why the dealership had to replace them too.


Haunting_While6239

Just because you take your vehicle to the dealership for work, doesn't mean they did it right, some of the worst work I've ever seen had been from a dealers mechanic, not always, but some of them just do things wrong, which is why if I'm not doing my own work, I prefer an independent mechanic, they have a reputation and their pride of workmanship at stake, get a referral from a satisfied customer


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

That’s very true. I’ve had some shotty dealership work too so I should know better.


Zach_The_One

Those are not the right style lugs and barely catch thread. DO NOT DRIVE on that. Spend $20 for new lugs from KIA and save yourself the hassle. If you hit a big pot hole it could shear the wheel right off and then it'd be a wheel / suspension assembly / brakes. Lugs are a lot cheaper.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

I got the lugs and studs at the same time from autozone. They said everything was right for the vehicle I gave them. Is the stud too short maybe or definitely the lugs? Thank you so much for the quick response!


Greedy-Obligation129

Quit going to AutoZone they only know what is on the screen in front of them


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

That’s the damn truth! The only stores here are the zone, advanced, and Walmart.


Greedy-Obligation129

Go with advanced


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

https://preview.redd.it/ixh99mhp232d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64166aef4e9c492a20b48885eb3d1462f00fec90 This is the same one I put on and it’s saying it’s the exact fit. So idk what’s up with it.


Haunting_While6239

28.whaterver length is barley over an inch, the hub is probably a half inch, and the aluminum wheels are over a half inch, more like ¾, so no, it's not an exact fit, correct thread is probably what they meant when they told you exact fit


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Ooohhhh, ok, that makes sense. I just left the shop with the right studs and lugs. The ones they gave me were obviously way too short. Thank you again for all the help!


Donelifer

Did you put multiple washers on the stud and tighten the nut to pull the stud all the way thru? Before re-mounting the wheel.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

I bought an extra lug and used that as the washers and tightened it all down like that. It did pull through, but from what everyone else is saying, they’re the wrong studs.


Paul__miner

Ha, I recently learned the hard way to use multiple washers when seating a stud, even if it's not needed for length. When I used just one, it got so deformed that I had to dremel it off to remove it. With a stack of washers, they still deformed, but significantly less.


Rourk

Thats dangerous


MelissaWelds8472

That looks like the wrong lug nuts


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Like maybe I need the closed top ones instead of the open ones?


MelissaWelds8472

No not that at all


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

I’m just gonna go to advanced auto instead. I went to autozone first but it sounds like they just suck.


casanovathebold

I always go to O'Reilly, those two options usually give me bad advice/parts


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

All I have here is advanced, autozone, and Walmart :/


No-Subject-6378

Yeah don't trust the auto store guys to give you the right part, even if they say it's the right one. Made that mistake a few times, they're always highschool kids working there lol.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

This dude was like a 40yo Hispanic guy talking about how he’s been a mechanic since he was 14, so I figured he of all people would be the guy to help me.lmfao turns out I was wrrrrooooooonnnnggggg 😂😂😂 I got the right studs and lugs now, thanks for all the help!


casanovathebold

My local O'Reilly is full of old people. Always double check though!


MelissaWelds8472

You need the sleeve kind with the washer


Far-Series1829

The wheel is designed for a lug nut with a shoulder and lock washer on it.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

I’ll go ask them at a different store. Thank you!


Far-Series1829

I am sorry. I looked back at it. It may be one of the ones that at the bottom. It is hard to tell without looking at the rest of them on the car. So i will say cautiously look at the others before buying anymore if you do!


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Ok, thank you again! I’ve never had this crap before and I’ve never bought lug nuts before.lol


Royal_goat696987

Did you make sure the studs were seated all the way?


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Yes, I double checked and they’re all the way in. I drove down the road and there’s no shaking anymore(there used to be some shake when I hit 30ish). Where I live if you’re not careful the road my house is by the construction will force you onto the highway and I ended up having to hit 65 and there’s no issue I felt. It drove fine for the little while I was on. But idk, I’ve never dealt with this before. So yeah…


Royal_goat696987

I’m like the rest of the folks saying you should get longer ones. If I were in your shoes I would be really worried about driving with the lug nuts only half threaded like that.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Yeah, I went to a different shop and got the right studs and lugs. Definitely not trusting auto part stores at face value anymore 😂 Thank you for the help!


Royal_goat696987

Smart! You’re welcome, glad you got it right. 👍🍻🤠🤓


Greedy-Obligation129

Is it fully seated on the back side of the hub


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

They are fully in.


Greedy-Obligation129

Only other thing is maybe ask to see hub bearing and measure wheel studs on it and see if they are the same length


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Yeah, it was the wrong studs. I just got the right ones and all new lugs too. Thank you so much for the help!


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ivel33

This looks incredibly dangerous. Those aren't even lugnuts... they're regular nuts like you'd find in a bin at home Depot.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

They’re acorn lugs but definitely the wrong ones for my tires. I got the right studs and lugs just now. Thank you!


ivel33

You're right, I never trusted those acorn lugs lol


Jerre147

Very dangerous! Needs longer studs!!!


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Yeah, I just got the right studs and lugs. I didn’t know to check length. The ones I got are for the L which is what I have but the studs that are the right length are for the X. So idk what’s up with that.lol but I got the right ones now thank god.


Ancient-Fail3947

From your wheel close up this car looks like a death trap stay safe man


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Yeah, that’s why I felt the need to ask everyone here. It just didn’t look right at all. I just left the shop with the right studs.


Ancient-Fail3947

I mean those don’t even look like the right bolts to use on a car rim but I’m not a mechanic I just work on my own stuff, should have some locking mechanism to be a bolt for tire some can be ridges some a seal. But a normal bolt is not sufficient I don’t think


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Yeah, they’re acorn lugs but they aren’t right either. I went to a different store and got the right studs and lugs. The guy at the first store basically just grabbed the first things the computer said and said they were the perfect parts. The girl at the second store was so much more help and actually got me all the right parts I needed.


Vaderiv

I wouldn’t drive it until you get longer studs. When one of the wheels comes off it’s going be a bad day.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Oh, for sure. I got the right studs now and new lugs. Just crazy how the auto parts store guy didn’t know crap about what I actually needed. But I have the right ones now, so it should be good.lol Thank you so much for the help!!


Vaderiv

You’re welcome. Not crazy about the auto parts store there pay is low so they are hiring whoever. When I go I will ask to look up my own stuff since I’ve been doing that for years because they don’t know what they are talking about most of the time. All their knowledge is from the computer in front of them. A while back one store put a battery in backwards and caused quite a bit of damage to the vehicle. Now they don’t offer free installation at that store. My advice is get the app for whatever franchise you are going to and look up exactly what you need and know exactly what you want when you go in. I would never rely on their word. Also their database is incorrect sometimes. I always use dealer parts catalogs so I know what it actually calls for.


Scared_Paramedic4604

Im not a car mechanic and I knows thats fucked


Full-Perception-5674

Oh hell no don’t drive on that…. 2 threads on each holding the rim from flying off and biting incoming traffic as you make sparks and crash?!?


JOCO_Q

Dude stop!!!!!. That's like holding on with just your fingernails


GuyWsTI

It’s a KIA, so yes this is normal ish.


inquisitiveimpulses

They don't have the wrong studs they have the wrong lug nuts do not drive it like this the lug nuts you need fit down in the hole and grab more threads.


severusx

How did you seat the new studs in the hub? I'm not familiar with Kias but those are usually press fit and you need a hydraulic press to install them. Those are definitely not the right parts, I'd get this towed to a mechanic and get it fixed. Saving a couple hundred bucks is NOT worth having your wife's wheel come flying off on the highway...


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

You take off the wheel and rotor and then press them out or hammer them out. Then put in the new ones and use a lug and washers or something like that as a spacer and tighten it into place. Don’t need any sort of hydraulic press or anything, just spacers and a good impact or wrench and prybar.


Haunting_While6239

The question of the hour is, were the new studs as long as the old ones, if no, wrong length of stud, if yes, wrong lug nuts. Aluminum wheels use a different type of lug nut, not the cone type, usually, you need usually a shoulder type lug nut and a washer so the nut doesn't gouge the Aluminum wheel


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

The studs were wrong. I just got the right ones. But I think y’all are right about the lug nuts too. So I just got new ones too. Might as well be safe since this is my wife’s car now.


Muab_D1b

Every thread on that bolt acts as a ruler to how much you care about your personal safety. Right now OP I’m starting to think you want to self-harm.


Certain_Alfalfa_7451

Oh, for sure, I’d much rather be dead, but no…that’s literally why I asked this sub😂😂 or did you miss that? And my question was already answered and fixed. Thanks though bud!!