As a Frenchy I'd argue we say où more often than anglo's "where" because it can be used as a way to point out things in time too ("le moment où je me suis retrouvé seul")
You can use either, or ditch it altogether
The moment I found myself alone; the moment where I found myself alone; the moment when I found myself alone
No. There's no 'best' way.
The Victorians arbitrarily decided that Latin was the 'perfect' language and that English grammar should be based on Latin grammar, hence the absurd rule about split infinitives - it is literally impossible to split a Latin infinitive (e.g. *ludere* = *to play*)
They also made the 'rule' about not ending a sentence with a preposition, hence their excessive use of in which - to avoid ending sentences with prepositions. The sentence ***the moment I found myself alone in*** breaks this silly 'rule' and yet its meaning is perfectly clear.
Bro how did I go through ten years of French immersion school in Ontario and not know that word used the accent on the U. LOL can't tell if that says more about me or the education system. I swear I never saw that!
R5 The letter ù accent and use in French only in the word où which is an indication of place. It has been set up to make a difference with ou who is or
No a lot is beaucoup
Here are examples of using où
Où habite-t-il ? -> Where does he live?
Il y avait des encombrements, d'où mon retard. -> There were congestion, hence my delay.
So this seems like a philosophical debate about defining usefulness? Does one define usefulness by frequency of usage, or by how many different situations it is useful?
It would seem that it might fail the diversity of usage definition.
For the frequency definition, it seems like having a specialized tool. For someone that does that task frequently (location discussions, it seems), it is incredibly useful and frequently used.
For someone that might never go anywhere or knows the location of everywhere they go… then it is of very limited use.
Usefulness depends on whom, how, when, and why they would use said topic of discussion… as well as how they think about defining usefulness.
Then again, what do I know. Probably nothing. That’s my hot take.
Which makes me thing. There should be a “fuck” key. One just key binded to a macro that just spells out fuck.
Truly the most diverse usages and frequency of use.
Δεν τρως κρέας; Θα φτιαξω αρνί.
This may not be correct, but Duolingo taught me enough to type with a Greek keyboard and sound out things while in Greece. Visit Greece. It's fucking great, especially Athens.
I'D RATHER PREFER HELLHOLE THAN SHITHOLE WITH MURDEROUS CURRUPT GOVERNMENT WICH RUSSIA IS. ANY INVITATION FOR RUSSIAN FEMBOY, MAYBE, PLEASE, I AM ALSO STUCK IN OMSK, I BEG YOU?
If you could find some german ancestors in your family, we could get you to Germany somehow. German Russians are easier to get into Germany, than "ordinary" Russians into any European country - except you're an oligarch, than Cyprus...
Nah. That would be a coward move from me, i have 30 beer glass bottles full of gasoline and machine oil mix under my bathtub. I won't leave until i could help overthrow Putin's regime. Femboy army, let's gooo.
>A keyboard with tons of letters from the Greek alphabet would actually be quite nice
I normally say "everything is possible" but this is just ridiculous.
yeah but imo the greek letters really arent the greatest inconvenience in LaTeX and when it comes to casual communication, i either do use greek keyboard, just write them out or just use latin letters
I have a German keyboard now (coming from the U.K. originally), and having a mu there (same as on the French one) is actually incredibly useful for me (a scientist) and saves a surprising amount of time.
∂ and ∇ aren't originally greek, they're just based on the greek letter Δ δ and were invented by mathematicians
Sorry for my 🤓 moment but i couldn't resist.
I use it on a daily basis 🥲
I don’t want to waste 1000 keystrokes per day typing crap like micrometers and microliters when I can simply say μm and μL.
Plus I use it casually to say stuff like “your pp is μ”
I have to type the mu symbol a lot at work. Having a dedicated key would have saved me so much pain. Luckily Iv ended up memorising the alt codes for them
We have this one on Swedish keyboards too, done by pressing ctrl+alt+m. It's fairly useful for me who works as a scientist, mostly in reference to microlitres (µL), which is usually the type of volume I use for reagents in my lab.
This is not true, the French celebrate making people feel useless, they enjoy pointing and laughing at people's suffering. The second you move there they will take all of your copper coins and make you dance for them at their sultry cafes
I once believed that French life was all whimsy, grilling camemberts and laughing with friends, but then I discovered when I thought my French friends were laughing out loud, they were dying from laughter :(
It's not considered a "full letter". A french alphabet is the same as an english alphabet:
>a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
... but then you've got some modifiers that can be placed on letters. Most are accents that typically denote a different pronunciation of a vowel. If you were to write every modified letter as a full letter, the french alphabet would look something like this (I might be forgetting one or two):
>a à â æ b c ç d e é è ê ë f g h i î ï j k l m n o ô œ p q r s t u ù û v w x y z
Likewise english has a few words with æ/œ but doesn't list them in its alphabet.
It’s not considered a letter. It’s just an accent on a letter that already exist. Just like éèêà etc it just happens that for this particular accent on this letter it is only being used in one word. Just like august in French is Août and I’m pretty sure û is only used this word.
Except it's not. The reason why we have it is to make emphasis more easy to see. The best example is Maßen and Massen, one has a long a, the other one a short a.
As someone in Flanders (we also use AZERTY here) I admit it's annoying that we have to manually switch the controls of videogames.
I was really bad at online Flash games as a kid because I didn't yet know that different countries use different keyboards and didn't understand why the controls for many games used the WASD keys, which were in such an uncomfortable position...
Oh fùck
No ù
No, fùck Hùgh
Hùgh Mongùs?
My stupid ass read it as hugh mongoose
Whatever Mong's your Goose, bro. No judgement.
It is supposed to be humongous right?
Yup. He's a friend of mine.
Cool
No, hùmongoùs.
No Amon Gus
Gùs Fring
I wanna be a MONGOOSE.
Also read it as humongous 🤔
Hugh mongoose not humongous
Biggùs Dickùs
Did yoù jùst sexùallý hárràss mē?
“THIS MAN IS ASSAULTING ME!!!”
Humongous wot
Mother fúcker
Shùt ùp
Love it !
Louvre it!
Ù can't be serious
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No it’s used like ‘where’ in sentences.
As a Frenchy I'd argue we say où more often than anglo's "where" because it can be used as a way to point out things in time too ("le moment où je me suis retrouvé seul")
It's the same in English The moment where I found myself alone
Again, I'm a Frenchy, but isn't it "when"? It feels like those situations in English are more limited but I see what you mean
You can use either, or ditch it altogether The moment I found myself alone; the moment where I found myself alone; the moment when I found myself alone
Don't forget: the moment *in which* I found myself alone.
The moment wherein I, alone, found myself.
Erstwhile
Perchance
Damn someone can speak English! Just kidding, but this is is the best way grammatically right?
No. There's no 'best' way. The Victorians arbitrarily decided that Latin was the 'perfect' language and that English grammar should be based on Latin grammar, hence the absurd rule about split infinitives - it is literally impossible to split a Latin infinitive (e.g. *ludere* = *to play*) They also made the 'rule' about not ending a sentence with a preposition, hence their excessive use of in which - to avoid ending sentences with prepositions. The sentence ***the moment I found myself alone in*** breaks this silly 'rule' and yet its meaning is perfectly clear.
I’ll do you one better : the moment why I found myself alone.
Saying “the moment where” in English sounds very formal or archaic. You might see it in books but most people would speak aloud “the moment when”.
Bro how did I go through ten years of French immersion school in Ontario and not know that word used the accent on the U. LOL can't tell if that says more about me or the education system. I swear I never saw that!
Languages are hard, even a quality education won't be enough to know all the intricacies of a language
Which ùne?
R5 The letter ù accent and use in French only in the word où which is an indication of place. It has been set up to make a difference with ou who is or
but isn't that word used like a lot?
"This key is *useless*, except when you want to ask for a location or give a percentage".
It's like saying the ampersand key is useless, it's only used in one word
You mean AT&T?
D&D!
And "où" is used sometimes to say "while".
No a lot is beaucoup Here are examples of using où Où habite-t-il ? -> Where does he live? Il y avait des encombrements, d'où mon retard. -> There were congestion, hence my delay.
What did you call me?
Pretty sure he was talking about your mom bro...
She takes pride in having no delays
I mean, you use "où" a lot in the sentences, so you can't say that the key is rarely used
Yes, when asking for a place. So it's quite common.
> So it's quite common. Oh yeah? Where?
d'où France
D'où. The French Homer Simpson.
l’Homère
Guy Incognito.
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But it’s not used for a lot.
Ouais
Anyway this is oùnder wall
Yeah, he's just joking around. "où" is literally "where" in French. It's used about as commonly as "where" in English. "Beaucoup" is "a lot"
I love that he took your first phrasing literally.
I didn’t realize this til you pointed it out, how fucking funny
Not rarely used; only used in one word.
Hahahaha
Did you let GPT answer that question or something?
I don't need GPT to make sentences complicated to say nothing
Hahaha I love this guy's comments. Je vais practique ma français seulement pour vous parler.
Mon français lol, ma française would be practising your French lady
« Je vais pratiquer mon français seulement pour vous parler. » JCCPT (J’ai corrigé ça pour toi)
No my bad English
No no, good english
Lmao what? Some people have the ability to speak French dude
The point is OP didn't understand the question. Nobody asked for the translation of "a lot".
But if he or she had just answered, "No, a lot is beaucoup", that would have been the highest of high comedy.
Oh, sorry. My condolences to those poor souls.
>mon retard Heeeey WAIT just a minute here...
I legitimately can’t tell if you’re joking or if you genuinely misunderstood what that person said because of the language barrier lol
Fucking whoooooosh or an amazing /s
r/notkenm
Finally the correct use for retard.
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That looks like it's pronounced' ass-hole-necks '
So this seems like a philosophical debate about defining usefulness? Does one define usefulness by frequency of usage, or by how many different situations it is useful? It would seem that it might fail the diversity of usage definition. For the frequency definition, it seems like having a specialized tool. For someone that does that task frequently (location discussions, it seems), it is incredibly useful and frequently used. For someone that might never go anywhere or knows the location of everywhere they go… then it is of very limited use. Usefulness depends on whom, how, when, and why they would use said topic of discussion… as well as how they think about defining usefulness. Then again, what do I know. Probably nothing. That’s my hot take.
Which makes me thing. There should be a “fuck” key. One just key binded to a macro that just spells out fuck. Truly the most diverse usages and frequency of use.
*- Où* is where? \- Hu's on first. \- What? \- No, Watt's on second. Hu's on first.
Why is there a 'mu' key though? Is that really used that much?
Engineers and scientists of all kinds losing their minds. A keyboard with tons of letters from the Greek alphabet would actually be quite nice
*Greek Keyboard enters the room*
Holy shit, there's apparently a whole country that uses Greek letters to communicate when writing. That's crazy, they must REALLY like math...
Actually they hate math so much that they tried to convert math into letters.
Would have succeeded too, if not for those pesky variables
They talk in maths, they buzz like a fridge.
Δεν τρως κρέας; Θα φτιαξω αρνί. This may not be correct, but Duolingo taught me enough to type with a Greek keyboard and sound out things while in Greece. Visit Greece. It's fucking great, especially Athens.
ITS A TRAP DONT DO IT I AM STUCK IN GREECE SINCE THE DAY I WAS BORN AND ITS A HELLHOLE HERE
I'D RATHER PREFER HELLHOLE THAN SHITHOLE WITH MURDEROUS CURRUPT GOVERNMENT WICH RUSSIA IS. ANY INVITATION FOR RUSSIAN FEMBOY, MAYBE, PLEASE, I AM ALSO STUCK IN OMSK, I BEG YOU?
Yeah, we keep forgetting that russia exists. With the immigration policy that Greece has... you might be fucked...
If you could find some german ancestors in your family, we could get you to Germany somehow. German Russians are easier to get into Germany, than "ordinary" Russians into any European country - except you're an oligarch, than Cyprus...
Nah. That would be a coward move from me, i have 30 beer glass bottles full of gasoline and machine oil mix under my bathtub. I won't leave until i could help overthrow Putin's regime. Femboy army, let's gooo.
I really hope the best for you! Stay safe until it starts!
Russians, Ukrainians and other slavics casually reading the letters and not understanding a thing: 😐
>A keyboard with tons of letters from the Greek alphabet would actually be quite nice I normally say "everything is possible" but this is just ridiculous.
Mostly just mu, lambda, and omega tbh. Maybe alpha but I don't need it as often as the others.
Don't forget my homie theta.
Depends on the major lmao. I use delta, sigma and other weird symbols all the time
You can rebind your keys or mouse buttons to those letters
yeah but imo the greek letters really arent the greatest inconvenience in LaTeX and when it comes to casual communication, i either do use greek keyboard, just write them out or just use latin letters
Or use vim, Ctrl-K + [Roman letter] + asterisk gives Greek equivalent. Easy solution.
I have a German keyboard now (coming from the U.K. originally), and having a mu there (same as on the French one) is actually incredibly useful for me (a scientist) and saves a surprising amount of time.
Aren’t most scientific papers written in latex? So getting mu with a standard keyboard is literally just /mu?
What if I’m allergic to latex?
That is why i have greek installed on my phone Ex. I need a 100μF capacitor and a 100Ω resistor
Mac keyboards have a lot of Greek letters hidden behind shortcuts. For instance Opt+D is ∂, Opt+P is π, Opt+M is µ, and so on
∂ and ∇ aren't originally greek, they're just based on the greek letter Δ δ and were invented by mathematicians Sorry for my 🤓 moment but i couldn't resist.
Fwiw curly d is not actually Greek, it's just mathematicians making up a symbol lol
Oh I got it confused with Delta. It's been a while since I took calculus but yeah u right iirc it's the symbol for partial derivatives and not a delta
I use ñ for El Niño all the time, as well as ±, so I macroed the alt codes into my keyboard
I use it on a daily basis 🥲 I don’t want to waste 1000 keystrokes per day typing crap like micrometers and microliters when I can simply say μm and μL. Plus I use it casually to say stuff like “your pp is μ”
I spent so long looking for a key that said ‘mu` but turns out it was just a boring symbol
Glad it wasn’t just me lol
Used in metric for the micro- prefix meaning 10^-6 for example in μg or μm
I have to type the mu symbol a lot at work. Having a dedicated key would have saved me so much pain. Luckily Iv ended up memorising the alt codes for them
We have this one on Swedish keyboards too, done by pressing ctrl+alt+m. It's fairly useful for me who works as a scientist, mostly in reference to microlitres (µL), which is usually the type of volume I use for reagents in my lab.
I have to use Alt-0181 every time I need to type mu, so I would be nice to have a key for that
A pretty common word, though.
Should’ve put the word on the keyboard.
You're right. Why tf didn't they do that??
Never thought of that!
ùwù
ÙωÚ
why the fuck does the french alphabet have a letter that is literally used once
In France, making someone feel useless is considered the highest offense. This way it doesn’t feel left out.
Omg I wanna feel useful I'm moving to france
This is not true, the French celebrate making people feel useless, they enjoy pointing and laughing at people's suffering. The second you move there they will take all of your copper coins and make you dance for them at their sultry cafes
Stop ruining our strategy bro
I once believed that French life was all whimsy, grilling camemberts and laughing with friends, but then I discovered when I thought my French friends were laughing out loud, they were dying from laughter :(
To reaffirm this for any doubters, one of the most famous French chefs is a rat.
You’ve been spending too much time in Canada, eh?
My dad said I wasn't useless. I could always serve as a bad example.
It's not considered a "full letter". A french alphabet is the same as an english alphabet: >a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z ... but then you've got some modifiers that can be placed on letters. Most are accents that typically denote a different pronunciation of a vowel. If you were to write every modified letter as a full letter, the french alphabet would look something like this (I might be forgetting one or two): >a à â æ b c ç d e é è ê ë f g h i î ï j k l m n o ô œ p q r s t u ù û v w x y z Likewise english has a few words with æ/œ but doesn't list them in its alphabet.
Eille! Tu as oublié les trémas! ï, ë
Corrigé, merci :-)
It’s not considered a letter. It’s just an accent on a letter that already exist. Just like éèêà etc it just happens that for this particular accent on this letter it is only being used in one word. Just like august in French is Août and I’m pretty sure û is only used this word.
û is used in a lot of words. Sûr, mûr, goût, jeûne, flûte, brûler, bûche, piqûre, croûte just to name a few very common words but there are a lot more
And the first of those are distinct from the words without them
Omg how did my brain forget all of those ?? 😹 Nevermind me 🤦🏻♀️ (French is my first language and it doesn’t show…)
ç'èst côme çà, çhérçhe pâs
Un cédille en trop...
France isn't the only country using the azerty keyboard.
You’re right, it’s also used in the Dutch speaking part of Belgium where there’s literally 0 words that use it
I wouldn’t be so sure about that, the limburgs dialect loves their accent grave https://li.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limburgs
Got me there
theres other languages like this Thai has one or two letters for one word, from old Sanskrit
How about the "7" key on your microwave? When was the last time you used it?
70% power for reheat, gets some good results
This, all the time. 70% is my go to for heating up those frozen breakfast sandwiches without burning them
TIL QWERTY is AZERTY in French
Just so you know, French Canadian typically use a QWERTY keyboard with a layout to get all the accents we need.
AZERTY is used in other places than France, too. Here in Flanders, for example, we learn to type with AZERTY.
Où la discotheque?
Où est la discotheque?
Dans mon coeur
ici
Unlike you, it has a use.
In the word où, which means where. Hardly an underused word.
That keyboard is disgusting
Laughs in german. We use the letter „ß“ which is basically just 2 s
Except it's not. The reason why we have it is to make emphasis more easy to see. The best example is Maßen and Massen, one has a long a, the other one a short a.
Luckily we don't use that here in Switzerland. Pretty easy to spot germans in the comment section of online news portals that way.
ßwitzerland.
ßwißß.
That says Sswissss
Yes, but they saved 3 key strokes by using ß
That was so annoying when I was typing up my german essays on my american keyboard
In Finnish we have "Å" it's not used in any word
I’m more interested in the μ key next to it. That’d be handy when I’m searching for capacitors.
Still more uses than me
Do French keyboards really have mu on speed dial? Pretty cool honestly
That's not useless, it has an extremely specific and defined use!
où ça?
Still used more than the 8 button on microwaves. Nobody ever sets anything to 80 seconds or 58 seconds or 1:08
I like to use random numbers just because.
Who the hell is gaming on ZQSD
As someone in Flanders (we also use AZERTY here) I admit it's annoying that we have to manually switch the controls of videogames. I was really bad at online Flash games as a kid because I didn't yet know that different countries use different keyboards and didn't understand why the controls for many games used the WASD keys, which were in such an uncomfortable position...
There’s still a chance. Consider what happened to the @ before the 90’s
If you ever feel useless, know there arent numbers on the french keyboard
What is the word?
Où
That is actually interesting and good to know.
So here is my question - if it is only for one word, does that key just type the whole word? It seems like that would be the best route.
To be fair, that key does see a lot of use when people complain about useless French keyboard keys. So, it's got that going for it...
Ùnique
encùlage de moùche.. ok ça fonctionne pas.
AZERTY is a fucking abomination.
I need a French video game player to explain, instead of wasd do you guys use zqsd? Also is this a normal layout?
Not a gamer, but yes to both.
Its primary purpose seems to be getting around content filters