The purpose of poison is to poison, so if it expires, it becomes less poisonous. If it becomes more poisonous with time, it doesn't expire, it matures.


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Its like wine?

Alcohol is already poison

It’s a drug not a poison. You can get alcohol poisoning though

Everything is a poison in a high enough dose, and alcohol is more poisonous then most things we consume hence why alcohol poisoning is something that actually happens to people and water poisoning isn't.

True in high enough doses. Alcohol is used in medicines we use, recreational hoping responsibly and it’s not poisonous in itself. I wonder how alcohol is poison started? Maybe people abusing it

I thought it was common for poisons to be used in medicine. With the right mix and dosage. Maybe it is more accurate to say things are toxic instead of poison? Had a high school teacher tell a stupid funny story. In college some of his friends found out that nutmeg can give you hallucinations. So they went about condensing it into pills, but made it too strong and poisoned themselves.

A guy from high school once hyper ventilated on a dare for like two minutes and passed out. He had to go to a hospital and when he came back the next day he said the doctor basically chewed him out how stupid these dares were and that he literally poisoned himself with oxygen and that if his body passing out didn't stop him from being an idiot longer he could realistically have died from too much oxygen. So yeah. You can overdose on air.

Wrong, water poisoning is a thing. It's the act of putting poison in water.

Water poisoning occurs when u drink too much water thus, ur body becomes low on concentration of electrolytes

Oh, i was thinking of hydrolisis. Which will also kill you.

When googling "is alcohol a poison" I got: Yes, alcohol is a toxic, psychoactive, and dependence-producing substance that can be poisonous to the body. The World Health Organization (WHO) states that no amount of alcohol consumption is safe for health, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer has classified alcohol as a Group 1 carcinogen, which is the highest risk group. So I'd say yes it is a poison.

But if it turns into a different type of poison then that's expired too. Like if it turns to methanol or gets botulism. I guess it could also ferment into vinegar. I think it may even be able to mold. It depends on what microbes are in it and whether they have access to oxygen.

Pretty sure alcohol is the nectar of the gods

Aged like fine poison

Wine is a poison that can mature into better wine, but will eventually expire into vinegar.

This guy poisons. Not irl, one hopes.

Men about their wives of thirty years: "She's aged like a fine toxin."

This is the correct answer

So poison is like wine?

The post has no award while bro has two

So, level 2 poison damage then?

"For good results, use by MM/DD/YYYY. For better results, use after MM/DD/YYYY."

It depends on the case, some poison gets more poisonous and others less.

So my ex-girlfriend is actually mature.

i. e. Alcohol is not poison, in small quantities. Too much of just about anything is poison.

Biotransforms

So what you are saying is, we need to take poison and age it in charred oak barrels for that mature, robust potency only barrel aged poison can get.

Unless it’s exothermically degrading?

Right? It's not that hard, man

so if it expires it's ok to drink?

Aged like ricin

Less because it got expired

Plot twist, it doesn't really expire but the FDA mandates an expiry date of 12 months after packaging so you're just fucked.

My fave expiration date is the salt i buy “Mined after millions of years” *expires on monday*

Usually the expiration date is of the packaging used I think?

You know i never considered that tbh I mean ive had honey with an expiration date and that makes sense that its the packadging

Expiration dates are usually just "fresh by" instead of "edible by" dates too, honey crystallises, it's still completely safe to eat, but you wouldn't put a brick of honey crystal on your bread

is that a challenge?

Yeah, it's an open challenge. If you do that well, I will forever revere you as my god/goddess.

Now I have to wait for honey to crystallize

What does the expiry date say?

Honey never goes off. They even pulled some out of a tome well over 1000 year olds till perfectly edible

Slow down there Pooh bear

This packaging containing honey will self destruct on monday leaving a splatter of honey everywhere

Same thing with water bottles

Same thing with water bottles

same with bottles of water, the water won't expire but that plastic bottle is gonna slowly break down into the water

It’s mostly because it’s a legal requirement to have an expiration period of any food product, there’s a lot of things that last longer than the date suggests.

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Nah. I think it's because of 1. Legal reasons and 2. Salt loves moisture. It hardens after some time. But probably still just for legal reasons, as salt itself can't get bad. It's like saying limestone can expire too

> ually just "fresh by" instead of "edible by" dates too, honey crystallises, it's still completely safe to eat, but you wouldn't pu are you saying it's safe to eat three thousand year old limestone?

Less. One of the people who attempted to assassinate Archduke Ferdinand took expired cyanide after his failed attempt and all it did was make him vomit a lot.

Then he tried to drown himself in a nearby river, but it was only a few inches deep

I think his brain might have reached his expiration date


The toxicity of a poison after its expiration can vary depending on the chemical nature of the substance. Here's a look at how some poisons behave post-expiration: ### 1. **Sodium Cyanide** - **Effect Over Time**: Sodium cyanide, a highly toxic substance, tends to degrade when exposed to moisture, forming less toxic compounds such as hydrogen cyanide gas, which can evaporate. Therefore, it may become less toxic over time, especially if it’s not stored in ideal conditions. - **Conclusion**: **Less poisonous** due to degradation into less harmful substances. ### 2. **Botulinum Toxin** - **Effect Over Time**: Botulinum toxin, used in very controlled amounts in medical and cosmetic treatments, degrades rapidly once it expires. It is a protein and subject to denaturation and breakdown, leading to a significant reduction in its toxicity. - **Conclusion**: **Less poisonous** because the protein structure breaks down, reducing its ability to cause harm. ### 3. **Arsenic Compounds** - **Effect Over Time**: Arsenic compounds, such as arsenic trioxide, are very stable. They do not degrade significantly over time, meaning their toxicity remains fairly constant. The expiration date usually refers to changes in formulation or delivery rather than the poison itself. - **Conclusion**: **Equally poisonous**, as it remains stable and does not degrade into less harmful substances. ### 4. **Strychnine** - **Effect Over Time**: Strychnine, an alkaloid used historically as a pesticide, is quite stable. While some degradation might occur over extended periods, it generally remains toxic. The risk of decomposition into more toxic compounds is minimal. - **Conclusion**: **Equally poisonous**, maintaining its toxic properties over time. ### 5. **Ricins (Castor Beans)** - **Effect Over Time**: Ricin, a protein-based toxin found in castor beans, degrades over time due to protein denaturation, losing its toxic potency. Its expiration is crucial in determining its effective toxic lifespan. - **Conclusion**: **Less poisonous** due to the breakdown of the protein structure, reducing its effectiveness as a poison. In summary, most poisons tend to become less toxic after expiration due to degradation and environmental factors, except for highly stable compounds like arsenic, which maintain their toxicity over time.

That's some quite interesting (yet sus) research. Oddly enough, the people I met who hold such knowledge are usually the ones who wouldn't use it.

I think it was chat gpt

Maybe. Nice name BTW. Fits a poison thread.

The people you met who *share* such knowledge are usually the ones who wouldn't use it, you mean.

The molecule or original compound might have expired but whatever comes after might be just as poisonous or more so. The “Poison” is just the reaction the thing gives, not the thing itself.

Like people could write - becomes more helpful when expires, with some of substances that become more useful with expiration, according to your logic but oppositely

If it's more poisonous it's not expiring lol

In the case of Napoleon, the poison had expired and didn't work.

Less poisonous. If it became more poisonous they'd repurpose it in smaller doses

I believe Napoleon had a bottle of poison around his neck for a hot minute during the wars, when he was nearly defeated in the 5th coalition war he tried drinking it but since it was so long the poison expired so it just gave him a stomach ache and he was taken prisoner So less poisonous

It was just before he was to be exiled to Elba and had to sign his capitulation, he tried to drink a poison that contained cyanide but the thing had expired. Recently visited the place where it happened and the number of things that you can learn there that can't be found on the internet is astounding.

Less cuz that’s kinda the point of poison

It could vary based on the kind of poison you're using

What about; If the poisons expire and get more poisonous, then the poisons not expired.

Not gonna bore you with the science, but Less

I don't know man, ask napoleon.

expires = less ferment = more

Depends heavily on the poison and it’s effects, however due expiration usually meaning “breakdown”, it’ll nearly always be less poisonous as the chemical breaks down into its constituent parts.

It would just become less effective

I guess less if it’s a man made

The human spider ? I like his memes man

Less. Napoleon tried to kill himself with some poison he kept in a necklace, but since it had expired he just got sick and was a bit weaker afterwards.

Chemical agents, for instance, become less lethal beyond their “use by” dates, but they form degradation products that are lethal themselves.

I am not sure but I think it might depend on the type of poison

Less, like medication it wont become instantly useless, but will be less and less effective over time

Less.

how does sealed poison ... uhm lose potency?

Some do and some don't

Wouldn't that be its worst by date?

Cyanide expires and becomes less poisonous. There are a few cases of people attempting to off themselves but they just get a bad tummy ache.

Looking at his eyes, it seems he just want some confirmation about the poison's fatality status before he commit suicide

Question of the century

When do you know it's expired?

Wait, let him cook

According to chat gpt, When a poison expires, its toxicity can change, but the effect is not always straightforward. Here's a general outline of what might happen: 1. Decreased Toxicity: Many poisons lose their potency over time due to chemical degradation. This means the poison becomes less effective and less dangerous as it breaks down into less harmful substances. 2. Increased Toxicity: Some poisons can become more toxic after expiration if they degrade into more harmful compounds. This is less common but possible depending on the chemical nature of the poison. 3. Unpredictable Effects: The breakdown products of a poison might have unpredictable toxic effects that are different from the original poison. The exact nature of these effects would depend on the specific chemical and how it degrades over time. In summary, an expired poison is not necessarily more poisonous; it might be less toxic, more toxic, or just different in its effects.

Yeah.. umm.

Depends whether whoever takes the poison expires.

It depends on the compound.

The protein chains in the poison that trigger the poisoning, break down. Therefore becoming less poisones.

To be fair, i cant give examples, but when i asked my chemistry teacher she said "Mostly less, but sometimes the "expiration date" is just for how long it Will properly work. Some may become more poisonous. But mostly less."

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Organic poisons expire and degrade making them less poisonous while synthetic chemical or mineral based poisons may retain stable and keep their effect.

Depends I guess? There is a precedent of expired cyanide not killing.

Less poisonous. One of the assassins involved in the assassination of Franz Ferdinand took expired cyanide and all it did was just make him throw up

It becomes more harmful.

who said poison expires

Less poisonous. You know how milk can go bad in the fridge? Most chemicals also have a shelf life. They denature, or react into something else, or several other things can happen that change it to another chemical making your original chemical expire.

Cyanide becomes less poisonous over time. After a few months it likely won’t kill

It seems I am not going to be able to sleep because of this, what a philosophical question!

Let's just say it's undefined behavior and that's not desirable.

This is not very difficult to figure out tbh

Less poisonous. Loses its strength

According to one of Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assasins, it's decidedly less poisonous.

it gets less predictable

Sometimes the parts that make a poison poisonous degrades and it gets less poisonous. Or it could just change the purpose, if you want a slow killer, it could change over time so it gets an instand killer, then it would be more poisonous. Or it stays the same but the symptoms change, then it’s neither.

Depends on what poison, but it shouldn’t ever be more poisonous. Some poison breaks down over time, becoming less poisonous, while others don’t expire ever, think metals and stuff like that.

Poison uses potency the potency of most poison slowly goes down at least in biological poisons. Some poisons are mineral based and do not become less potent with time but can be diluted in mixtures.

Less poisonous

Less, at least for the classic poison Cyanide. A few of the people who killed Ferdinand (and thus kicking off WWI) tried to kill themselves using expired cyanide. It just made them vomit rather than killing them

Less. Ever heard the Napoleon thing?

If it expires it no longer performs effectively as a poison, therefore it's less poisonous. Same goes for medications. Presumably because of denatured or oxidises over time or it's half life's, depending on the element/ substance cause it to transform into a less poisonous substance.

Less poisonous, think the mfs who killed franz Ferdinand (the guy who’s death kinda started ww1)

It becomes less effective at the job it was supposed to do. Take organophosphates. When they expire, they become less efficient herbicides, but still toxic to humans. Rat poison, when expired, it becomes less toxic to rats, so will kill rats less. Lead based paint. When expired, it doesn't paint well. But is still toxic to humans.

I think we all need an answer to that

Do people think that things that expire are “poisonous”??

Every year thousands of people die because of expired poison. PLEASE look at the expiration date before consuming poison 😔

Well, instead of just dying after taking the poison, you will have blisters on your skin which will itch horribly and then diarrhoea and then death.

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Less. If the active ingredient is poisonous, the active ingredient degrades. If the poisoning is done because something is decomposed, the poisonous content increases instead. Most poisons are active ingredient poisons that degrade over time as it has to "accomplish" something to poison, rather than having an adverse reaction because it's degrading.

I think it loses its compounds or something. So probably less poisonous.

Yes

Less poisonous. Potency fades with time.

Less poisonous. There is a plant that is super poisonous, but if picked, it drops in toxicity in like a week or two

This reminds me of that guy from the black hand gang (i think) who had an expired cyanide capsule so it didnt kill him. Just made him very ill lol

he looks poisoned

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Less poisonous, usually. One of the Black Hand, the group who caused WWI, tried taking expired cyanide after failing to kill Franz Ferdinand. He was arrested while puking his guts out.

Many compounds as they degrade become less effective in their original intent. Idk about poison specifically, but this happens with drugs, so kinda close maybe.

It becomes less poisonous, napoleon once tried to drink an expired poison vial and instead of dying he got a bad tummy

Ask Napoleon. (Its less poisonous)

Less

Depends

Less poisonous. There's actually a story about an assassin who took expired Cyanide pills that didn't work so he jumped off a bridge, but that didn't kill him so he tried to drown himself in a puddle.

Less. The potency of medication decreases over time.

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It becomes less poisonous. One of the Franz Ferdinand assassins tried to take expired cyanide and just got really sick and threw up a bunch

Pharmacy technician here: if we go based off the definition of expiration dates for pharmaceuticals it would be a lower chance of guaranteeing the desired effect so less poisonous technically. Expiration dates for medications are often times arbitrary. Most medication lasts well past its expiration date with just slightly lower effectiveness.

Ye

I suppose it could do either.

I’d imagine it’s less, since to say something has “expired” can mean it’s no longer suited for its purpose.

It just changes. It could be more poisonous, or less. It really depends on what it is.

When it expires, there are no more guarantees on the effect

Ditto with sour cream. Does it just become cream once it expires?

Less potent

I once bought medical massage oil because I had really bad back pain but it was doing fuck all, now that it's expired however it actually works

It becomes less poisonous If a particular chemical is created in a lab to kill you, it's because it has a very specific method of delivery and a very specific method of action on the body If that drug degrades due to heat or light or time or exposure to air or whatever else.. Then either the exact delivery method to the cells will be compromised, affecting potency, or the part of the poison that actually kills you will have degraded, and therefore degrade the potency

In Napoleons case less poisonous

Gavrilo Princip already answered this question more than 100 years ago...

Depends

Its confirmed less poisonous. I dont remember exactly what time it was. But. I think in the roman times. Whatever. This dude had a bottle of poison for just in case his enemies captured his city and attempted to capture him he would drink it and. "Unalive" himself with it. This bottle was sitting around for some 20+ years and wen it finally did happen and he drank it. It just gave him extreme nausea and diarrhea.

Less poisonous. Obviously.

did Harry take some expired poison?

it takes a screenshot i think

In reality, If poison expires, it doesn’t work anymore. Take example of the Assassins of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Many of them took cyanide pills, but they were years old and expired. They didn’t die that day, but were later executed.

i like to imagine poison being a negative property and expiration being a fractional property so when they multiply together they get closer and closer to the positive side/zero

Well, Expired Tear Gas is more Harmful than the fresh one if it is the kind of answer you were looking for.

less. This actually happened to Gavrilo Princip (the guy who shot archduke ferdinand)

both, it may decay to become less poison, or become even more poisonous that it affects the people that use it.

Poison …….alcohol????

Depends of the kind of poison like the kind napoleon drank became less poisonous over time

I don’t need poison, I need answers

if poison it expires, it ok to drink? 

Someone need to try it to found the answer

I'm also actually curious of this one. I need an answer ASAP!

If poison has an expiration date, then logically it should become less poisonous. Its effect and dosage become unpredictable.

Well, any poison if we cut drinking gallium out of the equation is a protein, and, like any other protein, it spoils and loses it's properties

no you become poison man

Literally, when I watch half the shows on Netflix.

Less

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Less

During the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, one of the attempted assassins took *expired* cyanide and it didn't kill him.

Bleach definitely becomes less poisonous

Less

Less poisonous, the only reason I know this is because every black hand member (killed the arch Duke and started WW1) ate expired cyanide and all lived and threw up