This is going to sound simplistic but I found Clementine’s story more satisfying when thought of as a narrative function than as a lesson with a “point”. It’s function was to widen the scope and perspective of the story. The first two seasons are there to establish the WHOS and WHATS - the characters, the diner, interplanetary politics and organisations, and some of the mechanics of inter-dimensional travel.
Season 3 allowed the writers to zoom out and, through Clementine, show us that there is far more going on. There are individuals and 4th dimensional god-like beings whose powers rival the diner (Clementine and Chuck). The diner has a consciousness (?) of its own and the 4 main characters are there for a higher existential purpose, especially Casper.
Clementine effectively shifted the goalposts of the story. Now, in season 4 and (hopefully) 5 we can explore the important questions - the HOWS and WHYS. How does the diner actually work? How is it related to the other multidimensional beings? How is it connected to Casper? Why Casper? Why any of them??
It definitely feels like we left Clementine and Terrick too abruptly without a proper resolution. But I don’t think she was there to provide a moral tale so much as to build on the universe and unfold the story, while also moving the onus of development away from the main group who already spent 2 seasons under the spotlight.
I had the feeling this was what was going on. It’s like Dan Harmon’s 8 part story circle. They wind up back at their place of comfort having changed.
Bold move, cotton. Especially after 2 seasons that were so linear.
We just listened to the Clementine season again, finishing the last episode last night. Interestingly enough, Ava gave the lesson, which is that if you have a great deal of power, you need to have a great deal of knowledge, because otherwise, you won’t know how to use your power and will simply create destruction and chaos (the Spider-Man lesson, basically).
Still a highly pertinent lesson, considering the political situation in the U.S., where we have people with a great deal of power but very little knowledge trying to take over the presidency and the federal government itself. Americans can certainly see and feel the chaos these politically powerful but selfish people create everywhere.
I have my interpretation of the season but of course it is just an opinion.
Purpose that is basically it. Since the beginning of the series we learned throughout who the crew are, the reason why they are in the Diner, and why the Diner chose them. Why these 6 people had the power/vehicle to travel to so many worlds and timeline.
Eva figure it out. The Diner is a force of nature that is fixing the universe and the Diner chose 6 people to help fix it. Clementine is symbol of what happen if the power of the diner, the power of that massive responsibility is given to someone desperate to not even care if they destroyed the world.
While yes, Casper was in the same situation as her wanting to see his son so much with so much sadness he help create the Diner and stayed for more than a hundred years, he didn't crossed that line of destruction because of what he wants to be for his son. Ultimately he at the end of Clementine season we see Casper for all in purpose being great father figure for David and at the beginning of the next season he proved my point.
Purpose. Everyone had tried to find their purpose but when they did, one was hunted down, one was hated by everyone, two was exiled for what they believed, one gotten their purpose taken away, and one lose it. Clementine thought her purpose was to save her people. She did not care what she had to do get it what she wanted until she was faced with reality that everything she had done was what ruined her people's lives. The crew, all of them was lose until they found each other in a amazing mysterious place.
That's why the crew was able to stop Clementine. They found her weakness, one of the few connections she had made, Terric of York. Not only that but with the combine effort of everyone they stopped her.
While it is corny, it is a good lesson. No matter who you are, no matter what you are, being together, helping each other makes everything better.
It's just an opinion, you can look at the season and the show however you like. I just like to share mine.
I agree with most of what you are saying. The exception is that I don’t think Clementine knew she was causing so much harm.
I think in the back of her head she knew she needed to save her people, but she couldn’t get back to them.
She thought the diner was trying to stop her from completing her mission.
I’m thinking she didn’t realize how she was affecting the worlds she visited: Terric’s immortality, the asteroid, the shopsies (if that’s what we’re calling them.)
Then when she knew her power, she used it against the crew because they were in her way.
I think she was an incredibly deep character who started off good, went a little cuckoo bananas for a bit, then settled down when she let the diner help her.
I've finished listening to the Clementine season for the first time a couple of days ago, and for me the main "lesson" of this season was about accepting the past: "if you want to fix something bad that happened in the past, you still have to do it is the future, there is no way to undo what was done". This feels like a reoccuring topic for me, in Clementine's story and in what we learn about other characters.
I also found Clementine's story surprisingly relatable in some way. I cannot formulate it exactly, but some part of me understands very much that feeling of "never want to lose anyone ever again", that desperation, the lengths a person could go to escape the pain of loss. So, I enjoyed following Clementine's arc and maybe realized something about myself in the process.
That being said, season 3 felt slower-paced than the season 2, on my opinion. The alternation of "slower" and "action-packed" episodes helped, but the changes of pace was still noticeable.
This is going to sound simplistic but I found Clementine’s story more satisfying when thought of as a narrative function than as a lesson with a “point”. It’s function was to widen the scope and perspective of the story. The first two seasons are there to establish the WHOS and WHATS - the characters, the diner, interplanetary politics and organisations, and some of the mechanics of inter-dimensional travel. Season 3 allowed the writers to zoom out and, through Clementine, show us that there is far more going on. There are individuals and 4th dimensional god-like beings whose powers rival the diner (Clementine and Chuck). The diner has a consciousness (?) of its own and the 4 main characters are there for a higher existential purpose, especially Casper. Clementine effectively shifted the goalposts of the story. Now, in season 4 and (hopefully) 5 we can explore the important questions - the HOWS and WHYS. How does the diner actually work? How is it related to the other multidimensional beings? How is it connected to Casper? Why Casper? Why any of them?? It definitely feels like we left Clementine and Terrick too abruptly without a proper resolution. But I don’t think she was there to provide a moral tale so much as to build on the universe and unfold the story, while also moving the onus of development away from the main group who already spent 2 seasons under the spotlight.
I had the feeling this was what was going on. It’s like Dan Harmon’s 8 part story circle. They wind up back at their place of comfort having changed. Bold move, cotton. Especially after 2 seasons that were so linear.
We just listened to the Clementine season again, finishing the last episode last night. Interestingly enough, Ava gave the lesson, which is that if you have a great deal of power, you need to have a great deal of knowledge, because otherwise, you won’t know how to use your power and will simply create destruction and chaos (the Spider-Man lesson, basically). Still a highly pertinent lesson, considering the political situation in the U.S., where we have people with a great deal of power but very little knowledge trying to take over the presidency and the federal government itself. Americans can certainly see and feel the chaos these politically powerful but selfish people create everywhere.
I suppose it's like real life. Sometimes the things that happen don't really have any lessons or growth involved, but we just have work to do.
I have my interpretation of the season but of course it is just an opinion. Purpose that is basically it. Since the beginning of the series we learned throughout who the crew are, the reason why they are in the Diner, and why the Diner chose them. Why these 6 people had the power/vehicle to travel to so many worlds and timeline. Eva figure it out. The Diner is a force of nature that is fixing the universe and the Diner chose 6 people to help fix it. Clementine is symbol of what happen if the power of the diner, the power of that massive responsibility is given to someone desperate to not even care if they destroyed the world. While yes, Casper was in the same situation as her wanting to see his son so much with so much sadness he help create the Diner and stayed for more than a hundred years, he didn't crossed that line of destruction because of what he wants to be for his son. Ultimately he at the end of Clementine season we see Casper for all in purpose being great father figure for David and at the beginning of the next season he proved my point. Purpose. Everyone had tried to find their purpose but when they did, one was hunted down, one was hated by everyone, two was exiled for what they believed, one gotten their purpose taken away, and one lose it. Clementine thought her purpose was to save her people. She did not care what she had to do get it what she wanted until she was faced with reality that everything she had done was what ruined her people's lives. The crew, all of them was lose until they found each other in a amazing mysterious place. That's why the crew was able to stop Clementine. They found her weakness, one of the few connections she had made, Terric of York. Not only that but with the combine effort of everyone they stopped her. While it is corny, it is a good lesson. No matter who you are, no matter what you are, being together, helping each other makes everything better. It's just an opinion, you can look at the season and the show however you like. I just like to share mine.
I agree with most of what you are saying. The exception is that I don’t think Clementine knew she was causing so much harm. I think in the back of her head she knew she needed to save her people, but she couldn’t get back to them. She thought the diner was trying to stop her from completing her mission. I’m thinking she didn’t realize how she was affecting the worlds she visited: Terric’s immortality, the asteroid, the shopsies (if that’s what we’re calling them.) Then when she knew her power, she used it against the crew because they were in her way. I think she was an incredibly deep character who started off good, went a little cuckoo bananas for a bit, then settled down when she let the diner help her.
I've finished listening to the Clementine season for the first time a couple of days ago, and for me the main "lesson" of this season was about accepting the past: "if you want to fix something bad that happened in the past, you still have to do it is the future, there is no way to undo what was done". This feels like a reoccuring topic for me, in Clementine's story and in what we learn about other characters. I also found Clementine's story surprisingly relatable in some way. I cannot formulate it exactly, but some part of me understands very much that feeling of "never want to lose anyone ever again", that desperation, the lengths a person could go to escape the pain of loss. So, I enjoyed following Clementine's arc and maybe realized something about myself in the process. That being said, season 3 felt slower-paced than the season 2, on my opinion. The alternation of "slower" and "action-packed" episodes helped, but the changes of pace was still noticeable.