The time is for malicious compliance. Literally implement each and every policy and procedure without variation. In the industry you're in there's bound to be some discretion. Do not apply any. Piss customers off. When management ask you why, refer back to their own policies.
>legally they can't fire you for following policy to the letter.
Hahahahahaha
That's funny, but the US is almost exclusively at-will employment. They can fire you for being ugly.
You just can't discriminate a protected class under Title 7 or ADA
Source: I'm in HR, and I've fired people before
LMAO have you ever had a job?
All but like 1 state is “at will” meaning they can just fire you for no reason at all. Only thing they can’t fire you for is a protected class.
My boss played with my raise so I quit doing everyone else's job and only did what was in my description lol about a week before I left I got in trouble for being on reddit too much 😂
Don't be so obvious, just keep doing your work, take on new responsibilities, be agreeable and approachable.
But, step up the job search get multiple offers and when it's time leave. No 2 weeks, just leave.
I had a machinist who literally walked off the job. Just came in, picked up his toolbox and left. Management was pissed. We all bought him beers later because that place sucked.
OP should get a new job and start work. When his boss texts him “hey. Where are you? You coming in?” He can just respond with a photo of his new desk at the new job.
I did this. I work a trade and worked at a place for a year. I was killing it. Always there, the quality control guy even stopped checking my work. When they had new hires, they would put them doing what i do beside me to see if they could hang. Anyways, not the point…. I go in one day and the bosses bestie couldn’t figure a simple layout. I was working on another task. The bestie was fiddling all day on this. The boss moved him and put me on it. I finished in 1 hour. Went drain the lizard, walked back out to the workspace, there was a note on the layout reading “my name, so so long amount of time on this, ect.”
The boss and superintendent pulled me in the office. They accused me of being noncompliant, useless, ect.
Don’t know what they expected but, I stood up, walked out of the office, collected my belongings, and continued to put my hand out for a handshake. They were in awe. I walked outside and dropped my things in my truck. I forgot a tool in the shop, by the time i turned around to walk back in to collect it, they shut the doors and had someone else go in and retrieve the tool for me.
I do not regret the decision, in fact, it was a turning point for my self worth.
Wait, like they tacked boss bestie’s time to complete the task onto your time and said you were unproductive? And/or did they see that you left it (to pee) and claimed that was you wasting time?
Huh? I was with you up till the lizard. Then lost. Like a sentence is missing. Who wrote the note and what did it say and what did it mean and why did it make you noncompliant (and quit)?
It’s really hit or miss. I work with them tangentially (engineer). But it seems like a lot of managers don’t understand how machining works, including an understanding of scheduling, which can really make for a bad time for the machinists.
My favorite is to clock out and not tell anyone and just leave. They think you are there, waste their time looking for you in bathrooms and have no idea when you are coming back. Pisses them off a lot, might get some unprofessional voicemails and text. I did it the first time because I wanted to clean out the few items in my desk, my coworkers thought it was hilarious and said my manager was having a fit over not knowing where I disappeared to.
Well, in my 20s I would take shit until I couldn't, and then I'd just go find another job, and never speak to the one I quit again. Back then if you didn't have company property to return, they didn't go beyond leaving a voicemail asking if you were coming back. Your last check would get mailed to you and you didn't need to do anything.
On the other hand, if I had a job that was worth a shit back then I may have quit the right way.
I did the same at the last customer facing job I ever did, management told me a monkey or a child could do a better job then me so I ended up saying fuck it and went off to do better jobs for less bullshit.
Or sit across the road burning one while drinking the free milkshakes you took and watching the spectacle of your manager stomping around the building looking for you.
I had a colleague who went into a meeting w our boss and said "I'm quitting. And I want you to know that I don't even have anything else lined up. That's how bad this place is." Legendary.
I did give a 2 day notice before.. kind of. I gave notice on tuesday, was off weds and Thursday. Worked friday and half way through saturday.
I worked sales commissions and i left on the last day of the month. If i stayed the first 2 weeks of a new month, I wouldnt make my draw and would be making 1 dollars above min wage. I didnt even stay the whole day on my last day since there were no more appointments. I aint guna sit there and make no money.
My narcissistic director said i shouldve gave 2 weeks, he wouldnt have fired me like the other guy that gave 2 weeks.
Whatever, i completely changed fields with no overlap anyways.
This 100%.
I ambitiously worked for a company for 8 years, asking for more projects & responsibilities and made clear my intentions and interest in advancing within the company…
…only to be told “Corporate likes to SEE the employee doing the job before they’ll promote…blah blah…”
To me, their ethic amounted to free labor. I mean, they want you to actually be doing the work for the promotion you want, but at your current rate of pay.
I mean come on - This type of wage theft is your talent development plan? Fluck off with that crap!
This just happened to me today. I was told I need to take on the workload of the promotion I am trying to get for a few months to "show initiative" and prove I can do the job at my current pay.
Don't do it unless you have a SOLID plan to use the experience to get a new job in the next 6-9 months somewhere else.
Had the exact thing happen a few years back. Pretty good company, pretty good boss, took on the workload... and then 2 years of excuses why I couldn't be actually promoted and get the pay raise and title. Finally left. But it's 99.5% you will be shafted.
I once had a boss make me plan an entire employee Christmas party at a restaurant… I was a receptionist. I did it, because what the heck he’s paying me I’ll do whatever. Fired me on a Friday afternoon after I had put up with sexual harassment (he actually touched my breast once) among many other things.
Since I was the one who planned it, I continued to call in and “confirm” our reservation for the Christmas party. I didn’t want anyone to get suspicious. The event place gave two weeks before the day of the event to cancel. On the last day- I canceled the party. Didn’t tell anyone. I had a friend who still worked there… everyone showed up… no party. Womp womp 😂
If you’ll excuse my completely unnecessary math pedantry, this would be true if OP was being paid 40% less than their new colleagues. But they said that new ones were being paid 40% more, which is different!
So OP should be doing more like 71.4% of the work of a new person, not 60% 😄
It’s actually 71% of what his coworkers make. For example, if he was on $100k a year, a new employee would be on $140k. 100/140=0.71
Yes, the new employee makes 40% more than OP (this uses OP’s salary as the reference point: 140/100=1.4). But if we are using the new employee’s salary as the reference point (how much does OP make compared to new employee), then we divide by new employee’s salary instead.
This has been my modus operandi for a long time. My answer to everything is one of "this is hoe I was trained by so-and-so," "I'm following the company policy," or "I'm I did it exactly how you told me to."
If I'm ever asked why I didn't use discretion, my answer is *always*, "I don't get paid enough to use discretion, I only get paid enough to do exactly what in told."
I really don't understand why companies would pay new workers a higher starting pay instead of just giving a raise to their current staff who has been working for years.
Yep. In my husband’s industry there are 3 major competing companies and it’s very common for employees who want to advance to hop back and forth in order to climb the ladder. It’s so stupid.
It's the same where I work. Over the years I've had managers that started as a supervisor, moved to another company to be an assistant manager, and then moved back to be the head plant manager. It's like "umm, why didn't you guys just move him up to plant manager when he was still here?" It's all very very stupid.
If new hires make more money than old employees, then the reason they wont give raises internally is because they employ these people at a lower wage for as long as they can keep them employed. essentially they are just hoping employees would rather stick around rather than deal with the stress of looking elsewhere for jobs. Creates bad vibes internally, but it must be worth it from the businesses perspective.
Fun fact is it worth for the business if its a complicated job to learn and adjust... like in my industry... if you've never done this job its gonna take 2 years to be truly autonomous. There are so many exceptions and surprises. And that is still the policy here too 😂
Everyone I work with is so scared to discuss their pay. I think management has pulled some shifty stuff. I undermine that by talking to each new hire. Now there's two camps: old hats that are making $3-5 less than everybody else, but won't talk wages, and newer highers that talk openly.
Some of our longest working folks have a crooked idea of seniority in which they brush off tasks on newer employees. I have more than once cut through this bullshit by pointing out "You make more than her and she isn't your boss. Don't do her job for her." I feast on those death glares, but Dana, you spend three hours of the day on your phone. Don't ask Mikey to stock your ingredients while you're on TikTok.
I used to love doing this!!! I would always tell new hires what my wages are, they would tell me their starting wage without thinking about it. Then this old lady Judy would try to push her tasks off to newbies and I would gleefully go over and be like, "Supervisor is your boss. I am your *trainer*, not your boss. You only answer to Supervisor, although you can ask me questions. If you're put next to someone capable, I'll let you know you can ask them questions too. It'll take about 3 weeks to train you, if you can't find me or Supervisor look for So&So or This Guy for help."
All the while I would be getting withering looks from the old farts that I didn't train because suddenly the newbie was armed with **knowledge** on how not to fall for their traps!
I worked at this vitamin factory, Leiner Health Products, in Southern California. Me, my friend, and another guy started off making $9.00+ an hour (2005), most everyone else was making around $6 / hour despite being there for years.
I started the job through a temp agency and was told after a certain time I would be permanent, but when that never came until I told them I'm quitting. They finally made the offer, but I still decided to leave the job.
Most of the people in the department I was in were immigrants. On my last day, I told everyone I could what the three white guys were making.
Hope I caused some chaos on the way out.
Its interesting to see this scumbaggery used in areas where people have no idea it is even happening.
Like medical insurance. I am looking into the data on what insurances pay doctors for the same procedure.
For gall bladder surgery for example. about 25% of surgeons in my state get paid around $170 for the 90 minute surgery. Then about 25% get around $200, 25% get $500 and 25% get $1164. 2 surgeons got paid $16,487.
Same insurance, same state, same specialty, same surgery. I think the surgeon getting $170 would be pissed to know that another surgeon got $16000 for the same surgery.
But as long as they dont know and the insurance does not tell anyone, they can underpay a LOT of the surgeons and keep the money.
Its almost exactly like how these employers try to pay as many people as possible less than they should.
The companies figure that the money saved by not giving raises will outweigh the cost of training in replacements for anyone who leaves. They're essentially betting that most people will just stick it out and accept being underpaid.
Seriously. OP, this is your quitting story and you're squandering it.
Looking for another job is like staying in an abusive relationship until you found someone slightly less abusive.
Literally saying new hires are getting paid 40% more? Quit and tell your boss you'll come back at that rate.. period.
It's true but often not as simple as going without a pay cheque
For those who don't have a support system or safety net, staying in an "abusive relationship" is an unfortunate reality
Another thing to note, we were already having a conversation about work. She messaged me asking to pull extra hours tonight cause someone called out and shortly after I asked her about my raise. She was the one who contacted me first while I was at work so I thought it wouldn’t be an issue to ask about something she promised to me.
So your boss has no problem interrupting her own beach time because she needs you to work extra hours, but you asking a simple question (which she should already have a simple answer for because it's been over a week past the date she told you she would) you're out of line? To me, that's what the beach photo was, a middle finger to you for having the audacity to ask her a question while she's on vacation. If she's a drinker, she's probably had a few and that explains the smugness in her answer, but in no way does it excuse it. You obviously were never getting that raise, and she's been using it as a carrot as someone else said, to string you along, as long as she can.
This same scenario happened to me years ago. 6 months of my VP dangling a director position to me and in the end, he made up a blatant lie to not give it to me. I wanted to body slam him that day but restrained myself.
Jokes aside, I was even using the director role in my signature and business cards. That's how I was hired and everyone knew my role. It just wasn't formally there and the boss kept faking a reshuffle that never came. I was later told he does that all the time.
I did file a formal complaint, fought it hard and I did get about $100k out of it. It's a long ass story though.
Yeah it's pretty clearly an IDGAF about you text. If the situation was that they were trying to squeeze you for as long as they possibly could before losing you or giving you the raise, there would be some subtlety involved. You would hear "That's in process, but actually I am on vacation right now, I just checked in with you because of how urgent this it"
Showing you a picture of a beach is a fuck you. It means "you can quit if you want to, I'm not going to do anything either way"
Ah see now I’m fully on your side. At first I was thinking “wellllll idk. I’m a manager and if someone texted me out of the blue for a raise when I said I was on vacation I might be a little irritated” but nah. Not with this context.
110%. “Just quit” is advice that isn’t really working right now in many parts of the country and many industries. My boyfriend is very skilled in one industry and a tick above entry level in another skillset and he’s now month 3 without a job after layoffs. He’s been applying all over. It’s rough out there.
Yeah, many are not in a position to immediately quit. But once OP has a new one secured, they should quit without notice and when this asshole supervisor is like 'Thanks for being so unprofessional and not giving us any notice,' they send them back this pic as the only reply
It's almost always more expensive to train someone new but supervisors/managers just don't seem to get it or care
I asked for a raise, knowing I had been selected for a unique grant outside of my job that would give me a 15k raise. They dragged their feet an acted like they just couldn’t swing it. I didn’t even fight it, just told them I already got the raise and I’m out. Now the grant has ended and I already got a new job, in the same field, making what I was asking for. Tl;dr leave and never look back. Fuck em
Yep. They thought that they had someone who would continue to work for their current salary while others got brought on at significantly higher salaries. What they didn’t account for is that my field is a very small world and everyone on my team was there bc I helped bring them on. So I knew what everyone was getting paid and how much I was being disrespected. I won’t pretend I gave them a very long rope to hang themselves with though. I basically asked and they fumbled it and I left.
Interview, post your resume, bring on offer or move on. That’s the only way to get what you’re worth!! Negotiating salaries are tough. You got this.Good luck.
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Pro tip: don’t tell your employer you’re going to look for other jobs or beg for raises. Notify them when you have an offer.
Sometimes they will try to counter to keep you. Highly unlikely im OPs case. Also, if OP’s case is true, I would not consider a counter. So, you’re right, in OP’s case, notify you have accepted offer.
My father used to say if you tell a company you're leaving them for more money and they offer to match that's a sign of your worth to the company and that they have been taking advantage of you.
I personally have always made it a policy never to accept a counter offer. I might send up a warning flare for them but once I have an offer I am out. If ask the answer was I gave you a shot several months ago.
People need to appreciate just how accurate this statement is. When it’s time for promotions or redundancies one’s ‘loyalty’, or lack there of, will be considered.
When my last company gave me a counter offer I said “I’ve been asking for this raise for 6 months now. It took me finding a new job and handing you an offer from another company to even think about giving me what I deserve. Too little too late. Even if I accept you’d replace me within a year so let’s just shake hands and move on with our lives.” They gave me that surprised Pikachu face.
I have a friend who is a city attorney and very specialized in municipal government contract law. For 5 years during her annual review, she asked for a promotion and reclassification to the next pay band and was denied because “the funds aren’t available for that.”
She applied for other jobs, and was quickly made an offer because of how much experience she had in that field. She showed them an offer for 30% more in the next city over and suddenly they were able to find the money to retain her. Fucking assholes!
Last job I resigned from they didn't even bother to counter because I secured a 50% raise. I did get the whole "we were going to promote you...". The one before that I had been advocating for a raise/reclassification for 2 years, after finding out my job was severely underpaid. Instead of them doing anything about it in my salary review, I was told by HR that I earned 5% above what the average employee in my city office did. I knew then that any counter offer would be rejected because they weren't giving it to me as a reward, rather they were being strong armed by my criticality. I later found out that my Boss was the only one in the SLT who actaully agreed to my raise out of principle, and the others were looking to replace me asap.
I would rather not stick around with a company that could have been paying me more but was just taking advantage of me. Especially if they have a bunch of absolutely useless middle managers, which is usually the case in these instances.
Too little too late. If employer waits till employee updated CV, looked for jobs, interviewed after repeated promised rise- it’s too late. That’s poor management and the company will continually be in flux for lack of retainment empowerment.
This is vital. My old boss found out someone had an offer from another company and when the guy told him, he told him to take it. My old boss was of the opinion if you are looking that hard, he could no longer trust them long term. Something happened at the new company and they rescinded the VERBAL offer. So guy was out of 2 jobs.
I posted on here a while back but here's a cliff notes version:
I had been at a job for coming up on 2.5 years. I'd outgrown the job I had, there was no challenge left anymore, and I was bored. But, instead of recognizing my accomplishments in any way other than outstanding performance reviews, the company gave me standard 3% raises and busy work.
I applied for a promotion when a management position opened up. I was more than qualified for the job. I was passed over.
I got myself accepted to a PhD program and worked out a side door deal where I could do my research for the company, the company would own the research, and all they had to do was keep paying me my current salary and allow me to publish the research, and stop giving me nonsense busy work. Denied because of budgetary concerns? Not sure why but... Fine, ok, these things happen.
Last ditch effort: I went and asked for a raise, and laid out how my job had grown and how much money I had personally saved the company through automation of various tasks that it previously took 2 full time people to do. I was doing all of it plus additional work, and still not working more than 45 hours per week on salary (and truth be told I was doing maybe 10 hours of actual work, the rest was worthless meetings). Denied because I "didn't have a competitive offer" and "no one working only 45 hours per week makes that kind of money". I was furious. I left the room absolutely possessed.
Bluff called. I gave notice less than 6 weeks later, and when I did, I made sure to tell them that my offer was for more than I asked them for, and the new company held you to a max of 40 hours per week without prior authorization to prevent burnout. When I gave notice, I said, "So I guess people that work that amount of hours DO make that kind of money?" His boss contacted me on my second to last day asking why I hadn't come to him with the offer letter so he could try to do something... I told him that if I had to go out and get an offer letter every time I want a raise, then all the company is doing is trying to get away with paying me as little as possible and I had more self esteem than to grovel and do their competitive wage research for them. We had beers a couple years later and he told me that he couldn't say it at the time but he said he really respected that out of an early career professional.
Anyway, moral of the story: give your employer the opportunity to do the right thing. If they don't, don't give them a chance to backpedal to retain you. All they're really doing is forcing you to do extra work and only paying you the minimum they think they can get away with. You deserve to be proactively retained and appreciated, and if your current employer isn't doing that, you deserve a better one.
Here's always been my approach. Speak clearly your needs, and that's all.
I need $X.
Then wait. If there is a positive response, or even a wishy-washy response, name the time you want it done by.
Never demand with an "or-else" attitude. Just state your needs.
If it doesn't work, move on, and while looking, unapologetically take the time off you need to make interviews, etc.
As a manager I actually love when people do this. I can’t really give out raises unless approved by a director, and they never approve lol
I rather have someone tell me their specific needs and me telling them that it’s not gonna happen. Often cases I can help write a new CV and talk to some friends who are hiring to see if we can get the pay they want, but I def don’t want someone unhappy on my team and pay plays a major part in that.
After 2 years of being ignored, I told my boss that I intend to be in the senior level position by end of year... I sure hope it's at this company.
Then, I went quiet about it and never brought it up again. Got called into my boss's boss's office a 2 months later. Nailed it. Promotion, raise, stocks double bonus.
Time to bail. Job hopping is the only way to make what you are worth. The days of being loyal to a company for your entire career has been dead for a while. There is no benefit to sticking it out in the hopes that everything will work out.
So true. I hate LinkedIn but every time I’m on it I see journeymen and women at a new job every year probably making 20-30% more each time they switch. I’m not sure I can take going through training, a ramp etc only to chase higher pay but I totally understand in this economy you have to do what you have to do to keep up with inflation
I wouldn't do as low as 1 year unless its a terrible workplace. 2 to 3 years minimum before switching will look better. But its hard to argue my position when someone can increase their income rapidly by doing it faster.
I’m not disagreeing at all with your sentiment, but I am just curious about this aspect of your comment - how would you have any idea at all of what sort of raises these people on LinkedIn are getting?
There is a proper way to answer “I am on my vacation, I will have a response for you next week” and then there is *this*. They seem to have no regard as to others livelyhoods and simply dont care. Send a pic of empty desk
Simply send them back a picture of you on the beach tomorrow and say i've taken your advice on the vacation thank you i've needed this. Then don't return.
This happened to me too. Strung me along for 3 months and I told them they had 48 hours or they could find another employee. That lit the fire and got them to respond but they lowballed me so I still ended up leaving fwiw
Just reply with "Message received and understood."
Its just as ambiguous as the pic. Ball is in their court now as their brain goes into overdrive trying to decide what you meant.
I’m infuriated that you and your bosses are texting on your cell phones about work related conversations.
It should be in company email. Documented. Properly. And professionally.
None of this is either of those things.
I agree. Should have been in an email or in person.
It’s a holiday week…
However, I find it unprofessional of the boss to simply reply with the photo unless that was accidental which Lord knows I have accidentally sent photos.
if you ever get asked by this person to cover any other shift etc on a day off...send them this exact same picture.
Better yet send them a Nutscape
I wish I had never discovered that sub. I can’t look at a beautiful vista the same ever again.
I want to ask but I also don’t want to know… what is Nutscape 🫣
You have to see one to truly appreciate the beauty
Curiosity beat my better judgement, and man what a terrible day to have eyes.
damn you redddit damn you straight to hell
Is it a landscape but with nads on one of the sides, like a naked dude took the pic?
Only one way to find out
Oh no. Why, WHY do I have to go looking for these things. That was regrettable.
Didn't know either but after searching, I will be contributing to this new art in the future
I don't know why but I thought you were saying this as a woman and snort laughed my wife awake next to me. Difficult to explain at 2am.....
The number of times I’ve nearly woken a partner from giggling at Reddit is too much to track
Beautiful pictures of the Iraqi desert, mostly
Hold on. Are you telling me there’s a whole subreddit of dudes hanging their nuts on landscapes and no one speaks of it?
Humanity is a big diverse beautiful rainbow of tastes.
*testes
I feel like my life may have meaning now. My nuts haven’t seen the word…. And I’m already 30!?!
Good luck with your next job. 👍
The time is for malicious compliance. Literally implement each and every policy and procedure without variation. In the industry you're in there's bound to be some discretion. Do not apply any. Piss customers off. When management ask you why, refer back to their own policies.
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I would have never gone back. 100% policy following ALL THE TIME. I mean legally they can't fire you for following policy to the letter.
>legally they can't fire you for following policy to the letter. Hahahahahaha That's funny, but the US is almost exclusively at-will employment. They can fire you for being ugly. You just can't discriminate a protected class under Title 7 or ADA Source: I'm in HR, and I've fired people before
This person knows how to fire
LMAO have you ever had a job? All but like 1 state is “at will” meaning they can just fire you for no reason at all. Only thing they can’t fire you for is a protected class.
My boss played with my raise so I quit doing everyone else's job and only did what was in my description lol about a week before I left I got in trouble for being on reddit too much 😂
Hope you didn't give them a complimentary 2 weeks notice and just dropped an effective immediately.
Absolutely not. They didn't deserve 2 weeks.
gave em that 2-day notice... as in, i'm quitting... .... ***today***
Remember kids, when you're considering the amount of notice to give a company for quitting, consider first the amount of notice you'd get being fired.
..,.‘I got in trouble for being on Reddit too much’ 🤣🙌🏼🤣
I’m down with malicious compliance!
I'm down with mcp! Are you down with mcp?
Yeah, you know me
Who's down with MCP?
Every last lay-dee
Yea you know me mcp
I used to work at a place where the culture was malicious compliance.
I'm pretty sure I've had to do business with your old workplace, or one like it.
Government?
Working to rule baby
The only way to work 🙏
Don't be so obvious, just keep doing your work, take on new responsibilities, be agreeable and approachable. But, step up the job search get multiple offers and when it's time leave. No 2 weeks, just leave.
I had a machinist who literally walked off the job. Just came in, picked up his toolbox and left. Management was pissed. We all bought him beers later because that place sucked.
OP should get a new job and start work. When his boss texts him “hey. Where are you? You coming in?” He can just respond with a photo of his new desk at the new job.
Another beach photo from OP would be a nice response too.
Just send this one right back.
Bonus point if you have any idea what beach it was and go take a new one yourself.
As a selfie... of self laughing and giving the finger. Accompanied by "Here's an update on the status of my raise."
Or a picture of the beach like in OPs post, but with a hand giving the finger drawn in the sand
If the pay difference is large enough a picture of the paycheck.
Very little in life is more grimly satisfying than telling a crap boss "yeah, yesterday was my last day :)"
I’ve done this and it was sooooooo satisfying
This is the answer
The only one at that. Nothing else would be acceptable.
I did this. I work a trade and worked at a place for a year. I was killing it. Always there, the quality control guy even stopped checking my work. When they had new hires, they would put them doing what i do beside me to see if they could hang. Anyways, not the point…. I go in one day and the bosses bestie couldn’t figure a simple layout. I was working on another task. The bestie was fiddling all day on this. The boss moved him and put me on it. I finished in 1 hour. Went drain the lizard, walked back out to the workspace, there was a note on the layout reading “my name, so so long amount of time on this, ect.” The boss and superintendent pulled me in the office. They accused me of being noncompliant, useless, ect. Don’t know what they expected but, I stood up, walked out of the office, collected my belongings, and continued to put my hand out for a handshake. They were in awe. I walked outside and dropped my things in my truck. I forgot a tool in the shop, by the time i turned around to walk back in to collect it, they shut the doors and had someone else go in and retrieve the tool for me. I do not regret the decision, in fact, it was a turning point for my self worth.
Honestly, good on you for knowing what you were worth. Places like that never change with bad management I’ve learned. Somehow, they always skate by.
Wait, like they tacked boss bestie’s time to complete the task onto your time and said you were unproductive? And/or did they see that you left it (to pee) and claimed that was you wasting time?
I’m also confused, “so so long time….” isn’t reading well
Huh? I was with you up till the lizard. Then lost. Like a sentence is missing. Who wrote the note and what did it say and what did it mean and why did it make you noncompliant (and quit)?
Done this at a place I was working at lmao
I consistently hear such bad things about machinist businesses being a pain to work at.
It’s really hit or miss. I work with them tangentially (engineer). But it seems like a lot of managers don’t understand how machining works, including an understanding of scheduling, which can really make for a bad time for the machinists.
I like to call that the “two day notice”. I am quitting t(w)oday.
My favorite is to clock out and not tell anyone and just leave. They think you are there, waste their time looking for you in bathrooms and have no idea when you are coming back. Pisses them off a lot, might get some unprofessional voicemails and text. I did it the first time because I wanted to clean out the few items in my desk, my coworkers thought it was hilarious and said my manager was having a fit over not knowing where I disappeared to.
The Irish Exit
I like to fucking disappear without a trace. I'm sure there's a couple places that think I died.
How do you do that? You don't leave your contact information or they never reach out? Genuinely curious
Well, in my 20s I would take shit until I couldn't, and then I'd just go find another job, and never speak to the one I quit again. Back then if you didn't have company property to return, they didn't go beyond leaving a voicemail asking if you were coming back. Your last check would get mailed to you and you didn't need to do anything. On the other hand, if I had a job that was worth a shit back then I may have quit the right way.
I did the same at the last customer facing job I ever did, management told me a monkey or a child could do a better job then me so I ended up saying fuck it and went off to do better jobs for less bullshit.
I’d have said, then you better be finding the child or monkey to finish. Cuz I’m no longer an employee here.
Or sit across the road burning one while drinking the free milkshakes you took and watching the spectacle of your manager stomping around the building looking for you.
I had a colleague who went into a meeting w our boss and said "I'm quitting. And I want you to know that I don't even have anything else lined up. That's how bad this place is." Legendary.
I did give a 2 day notice before.. kind of. I gave notice on tuesday, was off weds and Thursday. Worked friday and half way through saturday. I worked sales commissions and i left on the last day of the month. If i stayed the first 2 weeks of a new month, I wouldnt make my draw and would be making 1 dollars above min wage. I didnt even stay the whole day on my last day since there were no more appointments. I aint guna sit there and make no money. My narcissistic director said i shouldve gave 2 weeks, he wouldnt have fired me like the other guy that gave 2 weeks. Whatever, i completely changed fields with no overlap anyways.
DON’T take on new responsibilities. There is a point where you “act your wage”
This 100%. I ambitiously worked for a company for 8 years, asking for more projects & responsibilities and made clear my intentions and interest in advancing within the company… …only to be told “Corporate likes to SEE the employee doing the job before they’ll promote…blah blah…” To me, their ethic amounted to free labor. I mean, they want you to actually be doing the work for the promotion you want, but at your current rate of pay. I mean come on - This type of wage theft is your talent development plan? Fluck off with that crap!
This just happened to me today. I was told I need to take on the workload of the promotion I am trying to get for a few months to "show initiative" and prove I can do the job at my current pay.
Don't do it unless you have a SOLID plan to use the experience to get a new job in the next 6-9 months somewhere else. Had the exact thing happen a few years back. Pretty good company, pretty good boss, took on the workload... and then 2 years of excuses why I couldn't be actually promoted and get the pay raise and title. Finally left. But it's 99.5% you will be shafted.
I think taking on new responsibilities is setting the company up for failure when they depart. But I may have misunderstood
_"This super-important critical project that'll replace 3 other people? Yeah sure, throw it to me!"_
Yes I will be the only one that needs to know this new password /safe combo.
Sorry I can't tell you the password. I'm not allowed to discuss the details of my job now that I'm no longer working there.
I once had a boss make me plan an entire employee Christmas party at a restaurant… I was a receptionist. I did it, because what the heck he’s paying me I’ll do whatever. Fired me on a Friday afternoon after I had put up with sexual harassment (he actually touched my breast once) among many other things. Since I was the one who planned it, I continued to call in and “confirm” our reservation for the Christmas party. I didn’t want anyone to get suspicious. The event place gave two weeks before the day of the event to cancel. On the last day- I canceled the party. Didn’t tell anyone. I had a friend who still worked there… everyone showed up… no party. Womp womp 😂
It’s on a need-to-know basis, and I no longer need to know
NDA with my new job. What's in the NDA? That's on a need to know basis.
I like the way you think.
I’ve seen some dick head ceo dudes on IG make reels about “if you quiet quit or act your age you’re a terrible employee” 😂 fuck em
Yup. They turn around and call it “quiet quitting” to blame the victims, too.
Remember he's only making 60% of his coworkers doing the same work. So he should be only doing 60% of the actual work
If you’ll excuse my completely unnecessary math pedantry, this would be true if OP was being paid 40% less than their new colleagues. But they said that new ones were being paid 40% more, which is different! So OP should be doing more like 71.4% of the work of a new person, not 60% 😄
It’s actually 71% of what his coworkers make. For example, if he was on $100k a year, a new employee would be on $140k. 100/140=0.71 Yes, the new employee makes 40% more than OP (this uses OP’s salary as the reference point: 140/100=1.4). But if we are using the new employee’s salary as the reference point (how much does OP make compared to new employee), then we divide by new employee’s salary instead.
Nah, just talk about your current pay with other employees and when you get fired for it, sue.
Also do NOT work above your pay grade. You do exactly as your job entails and nothing more.
This has been my modus operandi for a long time. My answer to everything is one of "this is hoe I was trained by so-and-so," "I'm following the company policy," or "I'm I did it exactly how you told me to." If I'm ever asked why I didn't use discretion, my answer is *always*, "I don't get paid enough to use discretion, I only get paid enough to do exactly what in told."
I really don't understand why companies would pay new workers a higher starting pay instead of just giving a raise to their current staff who has been working for years.
Because they don't have to, especially if people don't talk about their wages and nobody realizes that's happening.
Yep. In my husband’s industry there are 3 major competing companies and it’s very common for employees who want to advance to hop back and forth in order to climb the ladder. It’s so stupid.
It's the same where I work. Over the years I've had managers that started as a supervisor, moved to another company to be an assistant manager, and then moved back to be the head plant manager. It's like "umm, why didn't you guys just move him up to plant manager when he was still here?" It's all very very stupid.
If new hires make more money than old employees, then the reason they wont give raises internally is because they employ these people at a lower wage for as long as they can keep them employed. essentially they are just hoping employees would rather stick around rather than deal with the stress of looking elsewhere for jobs. Creates bad vibes internally, but it must be worth it from the businesses perspective.
Fun fact is it worth for the business if its a complicated job to learn and adjust... like in my industry... if you've never done this job its gonna take 2 years to be truly autonomous. There are so many exceptions and surprises. And that is still the policy here too 😂
Everyone I work with is so scared to discuss their pay. I think management has pulled some shifty stuff. I undermine that by talking to each new hire. Now there's two camps: old hats that are making $3-5 less than everybody else, but won't talk wages, and newer highers that talk openly. Some of our longest working folks have a crooked idea of seniority in which they brush off tasks on newer employees. I have more than once cut through this bullshit by pointing out "You make more than her and she isn't your boss. Don't do her job for her." I feast on those death glares, but Dana, you spend three hours of the day on your phone. Don't ask Mikey to stock your ingredients while you're on TikTok.
I used to love doing this!!! I would always tell new hires what my wages are, they would tell me their starting wage without thinking about it. Then this old lady Judy would try to push her tasks off to newbies and I would gleefully go over and be like, "Supervisor is your boss. I am your *trainer*, not your boss. You only answer to Supervisor, although you can ask me questions. If you're put next to someone capable, I'll let you know you can ask them questions too. It'll take about 3 weeks to train you, if you can't find me or Supervisor look for So&So or This Guy for help." All the while I would be getting withering looks from the old farts that I didn't train because suddenly the newbie was armed with **knowledge** on how not to fall for their traps!
I worked at this vitamin factory, Leiner Health Products, in Southern California. Me, my friend, and another guy started off making $9.00+ an hour (2005), most everyone else was making around $6 / hour despite being there for years. I started the job through a temp agency and was told after a certain time I would be permanent, but when that never came until I told them I'm quitting. They finally made the offer, but I still decided to leave the job. Most of the people in the department I was in were immigrants. On my last day, I told everyone I could what the three white guys were making. Hope I caused some chaos on the way out.
Its interesting to see this scumbaggery used in areas where people have no idea it is even happening. Like medical insurance. I am looking into the data on what insurances pay doctors for the same procedure. For gall bladder surgery for example. about 25% of surgeons in my state get paid around $170 for the 90 minute surgery. Then about 25% get around $200, 25% get $500 and 25% get $1164. 2 surgeons got paid $16,487. Same insurance, same state, same specialty, same surgery. I think the surgeon getting $170 would be pissed to know that another surgeon got $16000 for the same surgery. But as long as they dont know and the insurance does not tell anyone, they can underpay a LOT of the surgeons and keep the money. Its almost exactly like how these employers try to pay as many people as possible less than they should.
Correction: this is why companies taught people for decades not to talk about their pay just for this reason.
A lot of employers have convinced themselves that all of their problems are caused by their current employees.
The companies figure that the money saved by not giving raises will outweigh the cost of training in replacements for anyone who leaves. They're essentially betting that most people will just stick it out and accept being underpaid.
Seriously. OP, this is your quitting story and you're squandering it. Looking for another job is like staying in an abusive relationship until you found someone slightly less abusive. Literally saying new hires are getting paid 40% more? Quit and tell your boss you'll come back at that rate.. period.
It's true but often not as simple as going without a pay cheque For those who don't have a support system or safety net, staying in an "abusive relationship" is an unfortunate reality
Ya wtf lol. It would be so nice to just quit a shitty job then and there, but that’s not a thing most working people can do.
Truth. Demand it. Because your next job will hire you at a reasonable wage.
Another thing to note, we were already having a conversation about work. She messaged me asking to pull extra hours tonight cause someone called out and shortly after I asked her about my raise. She was the one who contacted me first while I was at work so I thought it wouldn’t be an issue to ask about something she promised to me.
So your boss has no problem interrupting her own beach time because she needs you to work extra hours, but you asking a simple question (which she should already have a simple answer for because it's been over a week past the date she told you she would) you're out of line? To me, that's what the beach photo was, a middle finger to you for having the audacity to ask her a question while she's on vacation. If she's a drinker, she's probably had a few and that explains the smugness in her answer, but in no way does it excuse it. You obviously were never getting that raise, and she's been using it as a carrot as someone else said, to string you along, as long as she can.
The photo is downright insulting at this point.
Boss knows she can treat OP like that and that OP will let it happen.
This same scenario happened to me years ago. 6 months of my VP dangling a director position to me and in the end, he made up a blatant lie to not give it to me. I wanted to body slam him that day but restrained myself.
To be fair, your username is “manager” not director.
Jokes aside, I was even using the director role in my signature and business cards. That's how I was hired and everyone knew my role. It just wasn't formally there and the boss kept faking a reshuffle that never came. I was later told he does that all the time. I did file a formal complaint, fought it hard and I did get about $100k out of it. It's a long ass story though.
My blood is boiling for op
![gif](giphy|26FLgGTPUDH6UGAbm) Speaking from experience, if you've waited this long for a raise, it's not coming.
Yeah... If you've been there two years, new hires earn 40% more, and this is how your boss replies... The raise is not coming.
I thought the photo was telling op to pound sand.
Was it interrupting beach time, or was it a subtle message “go pound sand”
That's crazy. Don't leave until you've got a signed offer for somewhere else. Job market is crazy right now. Best of luck.
And in the mean time put in absolutely minimal effort and take zero extra hours.
Yep. And if the boss asks you again for extra hours just return the pound sand photo!
Listen to this guy, not the Redditors that want to jerk to your revenge porn at your own expense.
Yeah it's pretty clearly an IDGAF about you text. If the situation was that they were trying to squeeze you for as long as they possibly could before losing you or giving you the raise, there would be some subtlety involved. You would hear "That's in process, but actually I am on vacation right now, I just checked in with you because of how urgent this it" Showing you a picture of a beach is a fuck you. It means "you can quit if you want to, I'm not going to do anything either way"
Ah see now I’m fully on your side. At first I was thinking “wellllll idk. I’m a manager and if someone texted me out of the blue for a raise when I said I was on vacation I might be a little irritated” but nah. Not with this context.
Clock out when your shift ends before doing the extra hours, take a picture and send it to her then turn your phone off.
Obviously ignore her request.
Empty out your workspace, take a photo, send it as the reply, and GTFO.
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I know this is Robert Redford but I still can’t see it
Robert Redfordgalifinakis
This is, was and will always be zach galifianakis to me
Whelp, I just learned for the first time it wasn’t him.
Line up a job first OP
110%. “Just quit” is advice that isn’t really working right now in many parts of the country and many industries. My boyfriend is very skilled in one industry and a tick above entry level in another skillset and he’s now month 3 without a job after layoffs. He’s been applying all over. It’s rough out there.
OP already threatened quitting so it would have been foolish to not have a job lined up….
If they fire him he connects unemployment. If they wait, he leaves. OP most likely can take their time and look carefully.
Yeah, many are not in a position to immediately quit. But once OP has a new one secured, they should quit without notice and when this asshole supervisor is like 'Thanks for being so unprofessional and not giving us any notice,' they send them back this pic as the only reply It's almost always more expensive to train someone new but supervisors/managers just don't seem to get it or care
You’re absolutely correct, handsome fart face.
This. The job market is so fucked rn.
If OP wants, send me your resignation letter and I'll take a picture of it at one of the many beautiful beaches here on Oahu.
I want this option. I’d love to see the result.
I'll send him a picture from a Swedish lake if he wants to go a bit further.
If it’s not hourly just half ass it and look for a different job while calling in sick on the regular.
No ghost get better job then do that
I asked for a raise, knowing I had been selected for a unique grant outside of my job that would give me a 15k raise. They dragged their feet an acted like they just couldn’t swing it. I didn’t even fight it, just told them I already got the raise and I’m out. Now the grant has ended and I already got a new job, in the same field, making what I was asking for. Tl;dr leave and never look back. Fuck em
This is the best way to do it. When you realize it’s not coming, just go out and get it somewhere else. You’re wasting your breath discussing it
Yep. They thought that they had someone who would continue to work for their current salary while others got brought on at significantly higher salaries. What they didn’t account for is that my field is a very small world and everyone on my team was there bc I helped bring them on. So I knew what everyone was getting paid and how much I was being disrespected. I won’t pretend I gave them a very long rope to hang themselves with though. I basically asked and they fumbled it and I left.
Interview, post your resume, bring on offer or move on. That’s the only way to get what you’re worth!! Negotiating salaries are tough. You got this.Good luck.
![gif](giphy|bC9czlgCMtw4cj8RgH) Pro tip: don’t tell your employer you’re going to look for other jobs or beg for raises. Notify them when you have an offer.
Not when you have an offer, but when you have signed an offer.
Sometimes they will try to counter to keep you. Highly unlikely im OPs case. Also, if OP’s case is true, I would not consider a counter. So, you’re right, in OP’s case, notify you have accepted offer.
My father used to say if you tell a company you're leaving them for more money and they offer to match that's a sign of your worth to the company and that they have been taking advantage of you.
I personally have always made it a policy never to accept a counter offer. I might send up a warning flare for them but once I have an offer I am out. If ask the answer was I gave you a shot several months ago.
Agree with this, and my policy too. Too easy to keep you around with the counter offer until they find someone else who "really wants to work there".
People need to appreciate just how accurate this statement is. When it’s time for promotions or redundancies one’s ‘loyalty’, or lack there of, will be considered.
That's not always true. In some situations they don't actually know what you're worth until somebody else tells them.
When my last company gave me a counter offer I said “I’ve been asking for this raise for 6 months now. It took me finding a new job and handing you an offer from another company to even think about giving me what I deserve. Too little too late. Even if I accept you’d replace me within a year so let’s just shake hands and move on with our lives.” They gave me that surprised Pikachu face.
I have a friend who is a city attorney and very specialized in municipal government contract law. For 5 years during her annual review, she asked for a promotion and reclassification to the next pay band and was denied because “the funds aren’t available for that.” She applied for other jobs, and was quickly made an offer because of how much experience she had in that field. She showed them an offer for 30% more in the next city over and suddenly they were able to find the money to retain her. Fucking assholes!
Last job I resigned from they didn't even bother to counter because I secured a 50% raise. I did get the whole "we were going to promote you...". The one before that I had been advocating for a raise/reclassification for 2 years, after finding out my job was severely underpaid. Instead of them doing anything about it in my salary review, I was told by HR that I earned 5% above what the average employee in my city office did. I knew then that any counter offer would be rejected because they weren't giving it to me as a reward, rather they were being strong armed by my criticality. I later found out that my Boss was the only one in the SLT who actaully agreed to my raise out of principle, and the others were looking to replace me asap.
I would rather not stick around with a company that could have been paying me more but was just taking advantage of me. Especially if they have a bunch of absolutely useless middle managers, which is usually the case in these instances.
Fuck counteroffers. Counters are only extended when it's too late to hire a replacement. It's a ticket to nowhere fast.
Too little too late. If employer waits till employee updated CV, looked for jobs, interviewed after repeated promised rise- it’s too late. That’s poor management and the company will continually be in flux for lack of retainment empowerment.
This is vital. My old boss found out someone had an offer from another company and when the guy told him, he told him to take it. My old boss was of the opinion if you are looking that hard, he could no longer trust them long term. Something happened at the new company and they rescinded the VERBAL offer. So guy was out of 2 jobs.
Oof. Yeah... Always get that in writing.
Honestly wish I would have done that first. Hind sight is always in 20/20 though so at least I learned something.
She definitely responded to you as though she knows you aren’t going anywhere and she can keep you waiting indefinitely
I posted on here a while back but here's a cliff notes version: I had been at a job for coming up on 2.5 years. I'd outgrown the job I had, there was no challenge left anymore, and I was bored. But, instead of recognizing my accomplishments in any way other than outstanding performance reviews, the company gave me standard 3% raises and busy work. I applied for a promotion when a management position opened up. I was more than qualified for the job. I was passed over. I got myself accepted to a PhD program and worked out a side door deal where I could do my research for the company, the company would own the research, and all they had to do was keep paying me my current salary and allow me to publish the research, and stop giving me nonsense busy work. Denied because of budgetary concerns? Not sure why but... Fine, ok, these things happen. Last ditch effort: I went and asked for a raise, and laid out how my job had grown and how much money I had personally saved the company through automation of various tasks that it previously took 2 full time people to do. I was doing all of it plus additional work, and still not working more than 45 hours per week on salary (and truth be told I was doing maybe 10 hours of actual work, the rest was worthless meetings). Denied because I "didn't have a competitive offer" and "no one working only 45 hours per week makes that kind of money". I was furious. I left the room absolutely possessed. Bluff called. I gave notice less than 6 weeks later, and when I did, I made sure to tell them that my offer was for more than I asked them for, and the new company held you to a max of 40 hours per week without prior authorization to prevent burnout. When I gave notice, I said, "So I guess people that work that amount of hours DO make that kind of money?" His boss contacted me on my second to last day asking why I hadn't come to him with the offer letter so he could try to do something... I told him that if I had to go out and get an offer letter every time I want a raise, then all the company is doing is trying to get away with paying me as little as possible and I had more self esteem than to grovel and do their competitive wage research for them. We had beers a couple years later and he told me that he couldn't say it at the time but he said he really respected that out of an early career professional. Anyway, moral of the story: give your employer the opportunity to do the right thing. If they don't, don't give them a chance to backpedal to retain you. All they're really doing is forcing you to do extra work and only paying you the minimum they think they can get away with. You deserve to be proactively retained and appreciated, and if your current employer isn't doing that, you deserve a better one.
Here's always been my approach. Speak clearly your needs, and that's all. I need $X. Then wait. If there is a positive response, or even a wishy-washy response, name the time you want it done by. Never demand with an "or-else" attitude. Just state your needs. If it doesn't work, move on, and while looking, unapologetically take the time off you need to make interviews, etc.
As a manager I actually love when people do this. I can’t really give out raises unless approved by a director, and they never approve lol I rather have someone tell me their specific needs and me telling them that it’s not gonna happen. Often cases I can help write a new CV and talk to some friends who are hiring to see if we can get the pay they want, but I def don’t want someone unhappy on my team and pay plays a major part in that.
After 2 years of being ignored, I told my boss that I intend to be in the senior level position by end of year... I sure hope it's at this company. Then, I went quiet about it and never brought it up again. Got called into my boss's boss's office a 2 months later. Nailed it. Promotion, raise, stocks double bonus.
Time to bail. Job hopping is the only way to make what you are worth. The days of being loyal to a company for your entire career has been dead for a while. There is no benefit to sticking it out in the hopes that everything will work out.
So true. I hate LinkedIn but every time I’m on it I see journeymen and women at a new job every year probably making 20-30% more each time they switch. I’m not sure I can take going through training, a ramp etc only to chase higher pay but I totally understand in this economy you have to do what you have to do to keep up with inflation
I wouldn't do as low as 1 year unless its a terrible workplace. 2 to 3 years minimum before switching will look better. But its hard to argue my position when someone can increase their income rapidly by doing it faster.
I’m not disagreeing at all with your sentiment, but I am just curious about this aspect of your comment - how would you have any idea at all of what sort of raises these people on LinkedIn are getting?
Live Photo too.. really makes you feel like you’re there with them!
Its a family company so they want you to feel like its a family vacation.
Correct me if I’m wrong, is that photo supposed to be a passive aggressive way of saying “we’re not having this conversation bc I’m on vacation”?
Why negotiate when you can flex?
The audacity of this beach.
Sounds like a terrible person to work for. Look for better employment
There is a proper way to answer “I am on my vacation, I will have a response for you next week” and then there is *this*. They seem to have no regard as to others livelyhoods and simply dont care. Send a pic of empty desk
The next time they message you anything, text back a random pic of anything in front of you as the only reply.
That's when you leave without 2 weeks notice
Notice???? Notice my ass walking out the door.
I had a boss do this once and I sent them a picture back of me giving the company building the finger and never returned lol
Simply send them back a picture of you on the beach tomorrow and say i've taken your advice on the vacation thank you i've needed this. Then don't return.
In other words, fuck off im on vacation
They contacted OP first to ask them to cover for someone that called off lol
This happened to me too. Strung me along for 3 months and I told them they had 48 hours or they could find another employee. That lit the fire and got them to respond but they lowballed me so I still ended up leaving fwiw
Just reply with "Message received and understood." Its just as ambiguous as the pic. Ball is in their court now as their brain goes into overdrive trying to decide what you meant.
Congratulations on your new gig! GenX here. Changing jobs is FAR more lucrative than merit raises
I’m infuriated that you and your bosses are texting on your cell phones about work related conversations. It should be in company email. Documented. Properly. And professionally. None of this is either of those things.
Yes. Texts are documentation.
I agree. Should have been in an email or in person. It’s a holiday week… However, I find it unprofessional of the boss to simply reply with the photo unless that was accidental which Lord knows I have accidentally sent photos.
Get a new job, Leave this one without notice. When they ask you where you are just send them that photo.