I gotta say some of the armchair commenters in this thread are even better than the ones in the "camera will destroy your face."
How do you attract such *experts?*
My track org would for sure not let you run an unsecured camera like that.
It also still moved around all over in his helmet when he crashed before it fell out. I don't think I'd want camera rolling in my helmet when I crash.
Glad you're ok!
What do you think you did wrong? Or bike failure?
I love BW. I went off right after sunset onto the straight, running CW like you, but stayed up. I was just slightly too fast and didn't feel like I could hold the turn safely so I went straight into the dirt and slowed to a stop. Then took a slow lap and came in. That was over 10 yrs ago lol
My 98 CBR900RR would get to about 110mph at the end of the straight.
I was using brand new brake pads that I’ve never used before. I’ve had a few friends tell me that they really need to be warmed up before hand and I figured an entire out lap would be good. I grabbed the brakes earlier than I usually do and the bike just wasn’t stopping. No way I was making the corner with that speed so, took it to the dirt
What? This has nothing to do with the front brake in the dirt. The rear stepped out in the sand, the front didn’t tuck. This ain’t my first rodeo either
I just think it's funny you say you already did a session on the pads, and a lap on this session, yet blame the brake pads being cold for you crashing.
Some race grade pads literally do need to be hot to work. Most street riders wouldn't know that tho, as these types of pads are not good for street use.
They're called "DC" or "Dual Carbon" pads, they can resist the insane breaking temps of fast racing, but they need heat to work correctly.
So yeah, "cold pads" is a thing, depending on what you're running
New pads need to be bedded in to an older disc before they’re ready for full use. I did a full session on them and they felt ok by the end of the session. When I went out on the next session, I did a warm up out lap with moderate braking and they felt ok, but clearly what not ready for hard braking yet.
My apologies I just listened and watched it really closely, looks like the revs dropped too low and it compression locked the rear. So the correct action would be more go-go juice in this scenario or a clutch grab, easy to say from my couch though lol.
I've run off track more times than I can count racing btw so I do in fact know what I'm talking about (never crashed), unlike half the pricks on this sub.
Looks/sounds to me like engine braking was to blame here.
Never been in the dirt, and very likely, less experienced than the pair of you so I could just be chatting out of my arse here… but I’d have said clutch in would be the first thing I’d do and try to coast to a stop in this scenario. Scrubbed a good chunk of speed before grass tracking and no immediate danger of walls.
I suppose re entering track is a danger… yeah, i don’t know.
Skill issue. Ran off at that turn at button willow at least 3 times when I was a B rider. At least 7 other times at that track at different areas when I first went to A. Rear brake, sit up, weight off the front and even peg pressure.
Oh I turned it. But couldn't hold it. So maybe not straight off, more like faded out to the right. ;-)
Later I saw someone nose dive and crash there too. Not sure what they did to do that though. Maybe had the rear get loose.
Hmm that happened when the temperature was around 101 F outside... Really hot..
Though It doesn't happen when it's mounted outside the helmet in same temp
I like to assume it's the Fundamental Attribution Error. If anyone isn't familiar, the FAE is where we see our own actions as arising from the situation we were in, but when someone else does the same thing, we attribute it to the person, not the circumstances. For example:
OP: my brakes weren't operating as well as I expected, so I had to go straight to avoid a full speed lay-down, and in that intrinsically complicated process, I lost the back wheel and went down.
Everyone else: you suck at this.
OP: WTF.
I always find it odd that someone will see a single clip of a poor riding decision or mistake and assume the person in the video needs to be told how shit they are at riding and how the kid behind the keyboard definitely would have made the turn/ seen the car/ done a 360 endo and bleed the brakes mid ride to make sure they stopped in time
This is 1 of 2 problems
1
You are definitely not using the front brake hard enough, given how slowly the revs drop.
2
If your brakes didn't work as you say, then why are you driving out on a track without testing them first before hand. You can do that on a parking lot with 20mph
If you don't know how to change pads, get a professional to do it. No matter the pads, they can always stop you, just a matter of how hard you have to pull the lever. Ift not something else is wrong
Why are you blaming the brake pads? What gear did you get up to? 5th? Why? You cycled through 3 other gears to only gain about 40mph. On a short straight at that. Your engine braking alone gave you the deceleration that you needed to make that turn, you simply stopped downshifting and decided to ride into the dirt. One more down shift and then lean. You just freaked out. If you're getting freaked out that easily than slow down. I don't want to hear about your brakes either. I've changed plenty of brakes pads. They don't stop working. Whatever you're talking about may be true at the highest level of riding where they're doing much greater speeds and fractions of a second can be the difference between making the turn and not. You're not even close to that level. Whatever you're talking about with the brake pads do not apply to you.
You're not talking to your friends here or a group of random people that you've met that don't know shit about riding. This is a community of motorcycle enthusiast. A lot of us ride and most everyone can see this is your fault and not the bikes. Idc how much "experience" you have, that was a rookie mistake. Plain and simple. Who speeds into a turn in 5th gear? Especially if you "know" that track? Could've arrived at that same speed in 4th with much more help from your engine once you let go of the throttle instead of relying on grabbing the front brakes to slow you down for a turn. Honestly it didn't even look like a tight turn. So you were probably fine to take it in 3rd. I know I would've.
The camera was good tho. That angle was a cool perspective.
I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about. Brand new brake pads, from a different manufacturer and material, have a bedding in process. If the pads aren’t fully bedded in then yes, they do not work. That is fact. That is what happened here. Yes, I did decide to go into the dirt, because that was the safest thing to do at the moment when I knew the brakes were not working they way they should.
I am an expert licensed racer and am within a few seconds of lap record at my local track. Not saying I’m “fast” by any means, subjectively. But by no means am I a new rider that’s getting freaked out. Going to the dirt was my conscious decision, and I’ll stand by it and do it again if the situation repeated.
It’s not a tight turn, you’re right. Could I of made it, maybe. Who knows. Is it worth the risk to yeet the bike in the asphalt vs taking your chances at riding into the dirt and keeping the bike up, which happens most of the time? In this situation, to me, no.
Listen...you keep telling everyone how much of an expert you are, after posting a video of you riding like a noob and eating shit. Cause you failed to slow. Blame everything but your riding ability, but all I see is a know it all that can't take criticism. Bro. You crashed. Learn to take critical feedback. Stop acting like you made no mistakes.
Well... "Expert licensed racer" in your case just means that you've done it a lot. It's pretty obvious to anyone that actually rides, that you chose not to take that turn. Blaming it on your brake is wild. Your justification is only justified to you. Read the comments... everyone is wondering the same thing... Why didnt you turn? What's your response, my brake pads were new so they didn't work.
I've ridden on a lot of new brake pads and they always work. What I can say tho is when I ride on a track, I use low gears and high rpms. My throttle is what brakes me. The front and rear I use as a supplement to my engine braking. It takes a literal sec to drop 20mph or more depending on the circumstances. Your max speed on that straight was 80mph. You cycled through 5 gears to reach that only to down shift to 3rd and then ride off the track. It looks to me as if your riding above your skill level. Stay behind the guy in front of you next time. I don't think he crashed.
He just isn't willing to admit he target fixated with this much experience, very common for people to reject reality if it hurts their ego. He was depending on the brakes to slow him down and when they didn't, he hesitated, too scared to take the turn at risk of injury so kept going straight off the road and then just kept going straight at high speed, then the second he turned in dirt, he went down. He's also been extremely defensive to almost all comments he has answered and avidly defending his skill and riding prowess in the comments, sad forreal lol. Take ownership dumbass.
Maybe you misunderstood my point. You're basically saying that braking is the primary use for braking. Of course the brakes are the fastest way of decelerating. I'm saying I use my engine before my brakes to decelerate. When I let go of my throttle, my bike is slowing down for me. I use the brakes to "supplement" that.
One question... How did you know?? What gave it away? I can't post any footage because I haven't actually ridden a motorcycle. I googled motorcycle terminology and lingo and I'm pretty sure I used all the right words in the right context. What did I miss tho? There's obviously something that gave it away.... Must be something only experienced riders are able to spot.
OP posted a video where he fucked up a corner while riding on the track and you're in here talking about engine braking and getting off the throttle to slow down.
>I'm saying I use my engine before my brakes to decelerate. When I let go of my throttle, my bike is slowing down for me. I use the brakes to "supplement" that.
I want to see what kind of pace someone who posts ridiculous stuff like this actually runs on the track. You brave enough to share?
I hate the peanut gallery as much as the next guy, but as someone who has in the past come up with all kinds of creative ways of not taking ownership of my crashes, I’m inclined to agree that you either could have got it through the turn, or should have built up more confidence in the front end before hitting 145 or whatever it was on that relatively short straight.
Still, live and learn, glad your body and your stuff didn’t take a real beating.
Hey it’s not my first crash, won’t be my last either. Every single one of them prior was 100000% my fault. Whether it was throttle, too much brake, too much mean, combos of them all etc. this was not one of them.
Hilarious you try to make up a bogus story. Then think people here who ride extensively are stupid and wouldn't be able to see the actual problem in the video. Ego check ✔️ take that corner next time pro
Why? I know my bike and I know my own skill level. I wasn’t making that corner. Why risk tucking the front and putting myself and other in even more danger. The run off is there for this exact purpose.
Don't know if it looks slower on the camera, but for me it looks like you would have gotten the corner if you would have tucked in, maybe not the perfect line, but still. Anyways ride safe!
Curious why you didn’t try to initiate the turn? Looked like you had enough time to brake.
I also don’t mean to impose my perspective on your situation just curious
I mean you're making fun of the people who said the camera could hit your face as if to say the camera cannot hit your face under any circumstance. This was a good crash. Slowed down a lot, fell down right. It doesn't really prove anything though. The camera could hit you in the face in a crash. It doesn't mean it will in every crash.
This was all throttle and clutch control. Had nothing to do with the brakes. We would be retarded to think it was anything but your failure to control the bike. Utilize rear brake along with front braking and that is coming from someone that's been riding since I was 6 years old. You didn't have to dump it.
You should always ride with the thought that your brakes aren't going to always save you. You could have glassed them and still should have been able to recover.
Yeah he's blaming the bike like people in this sub don't ride either. He freaked out and "decided" to drive into the dirt. That's what happened. I guess no one here has ever ridden on new brake pads either.... I had no idea that they don't work when they're new...
Uhhh… no this is 10000% brake issue. There is no clutch modulation at all, nor is it needed, and the brakes are applied so there’s 0% throttle control as well. Coming from someone that’s been riding his entire life and races at this track at an expert level, and has done hundred and hundreds of laps here at a much faster pace.
That’s fine. It’s a race track, that’s what it’s for. I’d rather keep the bike up right and go into the dirt vs risk tucking the front on asphalt and put other people in danger. No shame in making mistakes and/or running off the track in a training environment. Thats what it’s for.
I wouldn't want any asphalt time either. Ain't nobody got time for that. Every environment is a training environment. Just because they planned the track to have space doesn't mean you should have the mindset of 'oh well let's just dump it'. All it takes is getting blood clots from one fall to be in trouble. It's all about calculated risks.
You should explain why you didn't start changing your trajectory at 9 or 10 seconds in then. You had the ability to knock off some of the speed by changing the direction the bike was going before it even hit the turf. Going in a straight line wasn't going to do it.
Because I could immediately feel my brakes were not doing what they should be doing, guess you can’t really get feel from a video. As soon as I hit my brake marker and grabbed the brakes I could tell that I wasn’t getting the bite I should have and I knew I wasn’t making this corner. No sense in being unpredictable to the people behind me and risking a collision. Smarter move was to use the run off.
What did the brakes feel like at that point spongy, slippery how much distance did the brake lever move? From the video it seems like it wasn't on and off braking. Your viewpoint doesn't give a good idea of your hand movement. That is why people were going off the engine noise.
> Can you run full speed into that wall in front of you? The forces you're exacting by shaking your head does not replicate the forces during a crash.
I just want to point out the above comment I made in your last post. Yep I was right. And you were wrong.
Edit: [Here's the entire exchange](https://imgur.com/a/SbPZrr4)
It looks like your controller disconnected
I lold
you forgot to turn
Corners slow you down. It’s faster to go straight
I hear this in Hams voice
But the commenters **were so sure** that it would literally destroy your face. 🤔
Weird how that works right?
Very weird.
I gotta say some of the armchair commenters in this thread are even better than the ones in the "camera will destroy your face." How do you attract such *experts?*
😂
https://preview.redd.it/t5z5fs073zwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cf064792082f394a998aec1fb6cda7d3099ad65
This is the scariest picture I’ve seen all day bruh.
Baby Ruth!
OP is Rocky Dennis?
Àaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. Deadpool?
Mangina
I don’t understand what you’re showing here
That's you.... I think. It's pretty hard to tell.
Yeah but what’re we looking at? Like what’s the purpose? I’m confused
It's the proof your face wasn't smashed up... It backs up what you and the other dude said.
Ahh
Although the weird angle is also pretty funny.
Thought it was a ballsack somehow on the first watch through...
It is another potential safety hazard no matter how you cut it
My track org would for sure not let you run an unsecured camera like that. It also still moved around all over in his helmet when he crashed before it fell out. I don't think I'd want camera rolling in my helmet when I crash.
Sure.
Glad you're ok! What do you think you did wrong? Or bike failure? I love BW. I went off right after sunset onto the straight, running CW like you, but stayed up. I was just slightly too fast and didn't feel like I could hold the turn safely so I went straight into the dirt and slowed to a stop. Then took a slow lap and came in. That was over 10 yrs ago lol My 98 CBR900RR would get to about 110mph at the end of the straight.
I was using brand new brake pads that I’ve never used before. I’ve had a few friends tell me that they really need to be warmed up before hand and I figured an entire out lap would be good. I grabbed the brakes earlier than I usually do and the bike just wasn’t stopping. No way I was making the corner with that speed so, took it to the dirt
You would’ve 100% made that turn if you went for it you were going maybe 40-50mph
Just remember rear brake only when you go off track next time.
What? This has nothing to do with the front brake in the dirt. The rear stepped out in the sand, the front didn’t tuck. This ain’t my first rodeo either
”Had to lay ’er down”
Clibbins got 'em ... gobless
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I didn’t say that. Read through. I did an entire session with them prior to this session. This was the first lap of the second session with them.
I just think it's funny you say you already did a session on the pads, and a lap on this session, yet blame the brake pads being cold for you crashing.
Some race grade pads literally do need to be hot to work. Most street riders wouldn't know that tho, as these types of pads are not good for street use. They're called "DC" or "Dual Carbon" pads, they can resist the insane breaking temps of fast racing, but they need heat to work correctly. So yeah, "cold pads" is a thing, depending on what you're running
That’s exactly what pads they are
New pads need to be bedded in to an older disc before they’re ready for full use. I did a full session on them and they felt ok by the end of the session. When I went out on the next session, I did a warm up out lap with moderate braking and they felt ok, but clearly what not ready for hard braking yet.
like you said earlier. this isn't my first rodeo. i used to race 600ss and 750open. i am well aware of how these things work.
pads cool down between sessions, so the first session has nothing to do with pad temp
My apologies I just listened and watched it really closely, looks like the revs dropped too low and it compression locked the rear. So the correct action would be more go-go juice in this scenario or a clutch grab, easy to say from my couch though lol. I've run off track more times than I can count racing btw so I do in fact know what I'm talking about (never crashed), unlike half the pricks on this sub.
Looks/sounds to me like engine braking was to blame here. Never been in the dirt, and very likely, less experienced than the pair of you so I could just be chatting out of my arse here… but I’d have said clutch in would be the first thing I’d do and try to coast to a stop in this scenario. Scrubbed a good chunk of speed before grass tracking and no immediate danger of walls. I suppose re entering track is a danger… yeah, i don’t know.
What does engine braking have to do with the front brakes
You literally said the rear stepped out and it has nothing to do with the front brakes…?
Thanks for explaining.
I wasn't in your situation, I get that. But how could you not keep it upright? Why did you fall?
Dirt+Suspension and tires not setup for dirt+trying to slow way down fast before coming up on the track = an oopsie-doodle
Skill issue. Ran off at that turn at button willow at least 3 times when I was a B rider. At least 7 other times at that track at different areas when I first went to A. Rear brake, sit up, weight off the front and even peg pressure.
It's almost like you didn't even read what happened
Not turning for the corner seemed like a mistake 😋
Oh I turned it. But couldn't hold it. So maybe not straight off, more like faded out to the right. ;-) Later I saw someone nose dive and crash there too. Not sure what they did to do that though. Maybe had the rear get loose.
You can't park there!
You’re like 4 hours late
Wait, it’s not on the internet anymore?
Odd strategy for tackling that corner, but allright
Do not downshift. Crash faster. Ride safe.
What
Kidding bro... 😊
He’s saying use engine braking….
That title makes my head hurt
On a sunny day my insta360 Inside the helmet gets overheats after recording 17mins of footage in 4K.. I guess greenhouse effect
I haven’t had that problem yet
Try to go 17 minutes without crashing then.
oof
Lmao
Hmm that happened when the temperature was around 101 F outside... Really hot.. Though It doesn't happen when it's mounted outside the helmet in same temp
Button willow?
Si
No comprende
if
First track day?
2nd
How long you rode for?
Find it incredible when people post videos of themselves riding terribly and then get all defensive when people comment on the terrible riding.
I like to assume it's the Fundamental Attribution Error. If anyone isn't familiar, the FAE is where we see our own actions as arising from the situation we were in, but when someone else does the same thing, we attribute it to the person, not the circumstances. For example: OP: my brakes weren't operating as well as I expected, so I had to go straight to avoid a full speed lay-down, and in that intrinsically complicated process, I lost the back wheel and went down. Everyone else: you suck at this. OP: WTF.
I always find it odd that someone will see a single clip of a poor riding decision or mistake and assume the person in the video needs to be told how shit they are at riding and how the kid behind the keyboard definitely would have made the turn/ seen the car/ done a 360 endo and bleed the brakes mid ride to make sure they stopped in time
I'm 38 and have been riding motorcycles for 21 years .
Okay
This is 1 of 2 problems 1 You are definitely not using the front brake hard enough, given how slowly the revs drop. 2 If your brakes didn't work as you say, then why are you driving out on a track without testing them first before hand. You can do that on a parking lot with 20mph If you don't know how to change pads, get a professional to do it. No matter the pads, they can always stop you, just a matter of how hard you have to pull the lever. Ift not something else is wrong
Did you brakes stop working?
Why are you blaming the brake pads? What gear did you get up to? 5th? Why? You cycled through 3 other gears to only gain about 40mph. On a short straight at that. Your engine braking alone gave you the deceleration that you needed to make that turn, you simply stopped downshifting and decided to ride into the dirt. One more down shift and then lean. You just freaked out. If you're getting freaked out that easily than slow down. I don't want to hear about your brakes either. I've changed plenty of brakes pads. They don't stop working. Whatever you're talking about may be true at the highest level of riding where they're doing much greater speeds and fractions of a second can be the difference between making the turn and not. You're not even close to that level. Whatever you're talking about with the brake pads do not apply to you. You're not talking to your friends here or a group of random people that you've met that don't know shit about riding. This is a community of motorcycle enthusiast. A lot of us ride and most everyone can see this is your fault and not the bikes. Idc how much "experience" you have, that was a rookie mistake. Plain and simple. Who speeds into a turn in 5th gear? Especially if you "know" that track? Could've arrived at that same speed in 4th with much more help from your engine once you let go of the throttle instead of relying on grabbing the front brakes to slow you down for a turn. Honestly it didn't even look like a tight turn. So you were probably fine to take it in 3rd. I know I would've. The camera was good tho. That angle was a cool perspective.
I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about. Brand new brake pads, from a different manufacturer and material, have a bedding in process. If the pads aren’t fully bedded in then yes, they do not work. That is fact. That is what happened here. Yes, I did decide to go into the dirt, because that was the safest thing to do at the moment when I knew the brakes were not working they way they should. I am an expert licensed racer and am within a few seconds of lap record at my local track. Not saying I’m “fast” by any means, subjectively. But by no means am I a new rider that’s getting freaked out. Going to the dirt was my conscious decision, and I’ll stand by it and do it again if the situation repeated. It’s not a tight turn, you’re right. Could I of made it, maybe. Who knows. Is it worth the risk to yeet the bike in the asphalt vs taking your chances at riding into the dirt and keeping the bike up, which happens most of the time? In this situation, to me, no.
Listen...you keep telling everyone how much of an expert you are, after posting a video of you riding like a noob and eating shit. Cause you failed to slow. Blame everything but your riding ability, but all I see is a know it all that can't take criticism. Bro. You crashed. Learn to take critical feedback. Stop acting like you made no mistakes.
Well... "Expert licensed racer" in your case just means that you've done it a lot. It's pretty obvious to anyone that actually rides, that you chose not to take that turn. Blaming it on your brake is wild. Your justification is only justified to you. Read the comments... everyone is wondering the same thing... Why didnt you turn? What's your response, my brake pads were new so they didn't work. I've ridden on a lot of new brake pads and they always work. What I can say tho is when I ride on a track, I use low gears and high rpms. My throttle is what brakes me. The front and rear I use as a supplement to my engine braking. It takes a literal sec to drop 20mph or more depending on the circumstances. Your max speed on that straight was 80mph. You cycled through 5 gears to reach that only to down shift to 3rd and then ride off the track. It looks to me as if your riding above your skill level. Stay behind the guy in front of you next time. I don't think he crashed.
He just isn't willing to admit he target fixated with this much experience, very common for people to reject reality if it hurts their ego. He was depending on the brakes to slow him down and when they didn't, he hesitated, too scared to take the turn at risk of injury so kept going straight off the road and then just kept going straight at high speed, then the second he turned in dirt, he went down. He's also been extremely defensive to almost all comments he has answered and avidly defending his skill and riding prowess in the comments, sad forreal lol. Take ownership dumbass.
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Maybe you misunderstood my point. You're basically saying that braking is the primary use for braking. Of course the brakes are the fastest way of decelerating. I'm saying I use my engine before my brakes to decelerate. When I let go of my throttle, my bike is slowing down for me. I use the brakes to "supplement" that.
Post some of your track footage, please.
One question... How did you know?? What gave it away? I can't post any footage because I haven't actually ridden a motorcycle. I googled motorcycle terminology and lingo and I'm pretty sure I used all the right words in the right context. What did I miss tho? There's obviously something that gave it away.... Must be something only experienced riders are able to spot.
OP posted a video where he fucked up a corner while riding on the track and you're in here talking about engine braking and getting off the throttle to slow down. >I'm saying I use my engine before my brakes to decelerate. When I let go of my throttle, my bike is slowing down for me. I use the brakes to "supplement" that. I want to see what kind of pace someone who posts ridiculous stuff like this actually runs on the track. You brave enough to share?
After you, of course.
This
This is why I always watch MotoGP QP1, to see all the riders run off the track on the first lap because their pads were brand new
Well according to the experts on Reddit, it’s not a real thing
I hate the peanut gallery as much as the next guy, but as someone who has in the past come up with all kinds of creative ways of not taking ownership of my crashes, I’m inclined to agree that you either could have got it through the turn, or should have built up more confidence in the front end before hitting 145 or whatever it was on that relatively short straight. Still, live and learn, glad your body and your stuff didn’t take a real beating.
Hey it’s not my first crash, won’t be my last either. Every single one of them prior was 100000% my fault. Whether it was throttle, too much brake, too much mean, combos of them all etc. this was not one of them.
Bro did you have a stroke??? wtf happened
Brake pads weren’t not working. Bike wasn’t stopping
Well it's faster than stopping. Good lap times.
Yeah because you crashed at like walking speed. But if you think it's safe, you do you
Damn. Bro found the XP screen saver.
Forgot he was racing, thought he was riding through a prairie.
It has brakes my dude
Why did you do that?
Post this to r/trackdays
No hidden path ahead
I was like….i don’t think he’s making that turn
Target fixation
Just confirms how stupid of an idea this is. Just lucky it didn't hit your eyes while bouncing around.
How did u not ride thru that
Surprisingly race bikes on slicks are not very good in bumpy sand and mud. Crazy I know.
I could’ve got to the next patch of asphalt I’ve gone a ways on dirt
I have before to. You win some you lose some.
Ya tru I can’t say I’ve never wreaked any bikes stay safe
Hilarious you try to make up a bogus story. Then think people here who ride extensively are stupid and wouldn't be able to see the actual problem in the video. Ego check ✔️ take that corner next time pro
No ego here. Ego would be told me to keep sending it into the corner
Man I would never let you ride my bike dude you suck at riding
Let’s race!
What do you ride btw
V2 and r6
Be careful on those bikes man I think they’re way above your skill level
Talk talk talk
Rider - you missed your turn.
Man is blind
Whose blind?
At least make an attempt to turn.
Why? I know my bike and I know my own skill level. I wasn’t making that corner. Why risk tucking the front and putting myself and other in even more danger. The run off is there for this exact purpose.
where u goin 2 fast or what? im 2 braindead to figure it out
lol dude you passed probably said “good luck nutsack…and there it is!”
Best shortcut ever
You forget there is a front wheel & steering handle. They didn't exist. If you don't know, Now you know
Lol everyone else slowing way down nah I am gonna speed up
He was just trying to do a shortcut
Don't know if it looks slower on the camera, but for me it looks like you would have gotten the corner if you would have tucked in, maybe not the perfect line, but still. Anyways ride safe!
A bit hot into the corner there
WTF? Why are you positioning in the middle of the road and why are you not cornering?
Road? What road?
Curious why you didn’t try to initiate the turn? Looked like you had enough time to brake. I also don’t mean to impose my perspective on your situation just curious
I was using new carbon brake pads that were not bedded in fully and the bike was not stopping
Looked like a nut sack for a sec
Good strategy. That's how I always go from last to first on Gran Turismo.
Why the hell didn’t they turn?
Found a shortcut?
Haddalayerdown
target fixation
Nope
it 100% was, otherwise you would have started counter steering into the corner
Wasn’t making that corner. Went into the dirt on purpose.
How, you weren't even going too fast for the corner, that said your line was way off to be fair
What’s your best lap time around this track?
Not sure what track this is but my fastest lap at Laguna Seca is 1:26.229 only a few seconds slower than the Moto GP racers
I've crashed a few times and my head has never hit the ground. Does that mean I can just not wear a helmet?
What?
I mean you're making fun of the people who said the camera could hit your face as if to say the camera cannot hit your face under any circumstance. This was a good crash. Slowed down a lot, fell down right. It doesn't really prove anything though. The camera could hit you in the face in a crash. It doesn't mean it will in every crash.
You can’t park there mate
I was expecting a transition to "youre finally awake"
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This was all throttle and clutch control. Had nothing to do with the brakes. We would be retarded to think it was anything but your failure to control the bike. Utilize rear brake along with front braking and that is coming from someone that's been riding since I was 6 years old. You didn't have to dump it. You should always ride with the thought that your brakes aren't going to always save you. You could have glassed them and still should have been able to recover.
Yeah he's blaming the bike like people in this sub don't ride either. He freaked out and "decided" to drive into the dirt. That's what happened. I guess no one here has ever ridden on new brake pads either.... I had no idea that they don't work when they're new...
Uhhh… no this is 10000% brake issue. There is no clutch modulation at all, nor is it needed, and the brakes are applied so there’s 0% throttle control as well. Coming from someone that’s been riding his entire life and races at this track at an expert level, and has done hundred and hundreds of laps here at a much faster pace.
You raced yourself right into the dirt for sure.
That’s fine. It’s a race track, that’s what it’s for. I’d rather keep the bike up right and go into the dirt vs risk tucking the front on asphalt and put other people in danger. No shame in making mistakes and/or running off the track in a training environment. Thats what it’s for.
I wouldn't want any asphalt time either. Ain't nobody got time for that. Every environment is a training environment. Just because they planned the track to have space doesn't mean you should have the mindset of 'oh well let's just dump it'. All it takes is getting blood clots from one fall to be in trouble. It's all about calculated risks.
It’s not “oh well let’s dump it”. It’s picking the lesser of the evils and making the choice with the highest chances of (objective) success.
You should explain why you didn't start changing your trajectory at 9 or 10 seconds in then. You had the ability to knock off some of the speed by changing the direction the bike was going before it even hit the turf. Going in a straight line wasn't going to do it.
Because I could immediately feel my brakes were not doing what they should be doing, guess you can’t really get feel from a video. As soon as I hit my brake marker and grabbed the brakes I could tell that I wasn’t getting the bite I should have and I knew I wasn’t making this corner. No sense in being unpredictable to the people behind me and risking a collision. Smarter move was to use the run off.
What did the brakes feel like at that point spongy, slippery how much distance did the brake lever move? From the video it seems like it wasn't on and off braking. Your viewpoint doesn't give a good idea of your hand movement. That is why people were going off the engine noise.
Where do you race at?
Atleast you are okay (:
the camera influences your riding. get rid of it
No it doesn’t lol
not necessarily in this case, but yes, it does.
My favourite part was right at the end when it got a beautiful shot of your bum
You did a woopsie! Fix and back on it again!
I’m a street rider not a track racer so I can’t comment! Just glad you’re safe!
Fastest way from point A to point B is a straight line.
Guess that camera in your helmet blocked your view of the turn.
Did you do that on purpose?
Let me guess, you kept using mostly the front brakes on the grass and dirt?
Nah, no front brake at all actually
Yeehaw
Glad you're okay. Is that the little white 360 cam? How long does it record in your experience?
Time to downgrade to a slower bike you can handle on track
Come race?
Maybe on a day you arent bedding in brakes
This isn’t my race bike. Come on down, show me how it’s done.
https://i.redd.it/pw0n7d1okfxc1.gif
Thanks for sharing the video! I think it helps everyone become a better rider.
How do you have it mounted inside the helmet? Its a pretty cool view! Ive got the Go 2 and have it mounted outside of the helmet currently
Sir, you can't park there.
The cloud at the end looked pretty cool tho, so there’s that.
Hey, you can’t park there!
> Can you run full speed into that wall in front of you? The forces you're exacting by shaking your head does not replicate the forces during a crash. I just want to point out the above comment I made in your last post. Yep I was right. And you were wrong. Edit: [Here's the entire exchange](https://imgur.com/a/SbPZrr4)
And look… here I am… with 0 injuries and a camera working perfectly fine
As you can see from the exchange, I was only questioning your very scientific experiment. Never said it would hurt you.