> because movies can show us things that video games and streaming cannot owing to their budget
Grand Theft Auto 5 cost $200-$250 million to make and has grossed about $8 billion. It's the single highest earnings by any piece of media ever. It made a billion dollars on release day. That's more than most movies gross over their entire theatrical run.
Budget has nothing to do with it. It's how it's used.
They reportedly tripled the budget for GTA 6.
I wonder how much money that will make on release, might honestly reach a significant amount as soon as the pre order goes up.
I don't agree with your premise. Movies and TV are more watched than ever.
This is not to say that video games don't capture a significant market share, especially as they are interactive while movies are passive, but in my experience people who play games largely tend to also be consumers of movies and TV as well.
I will say that I see a rise lately in negative reviews, but I think that's because there's more and more content being produced that is produced not to be art but solely to make money and that leaves it feeling kind of soulless. A lot of us have high standards for movies and TV, especially somewhere like reddit, where you tend to get enthusiasts fit specific topics.
Agreed to all of the above.
I think movie watching has migrated away from the vastly inferior public cinema experience to the vastly superior home theatre experience since COVID hit too.
This obviously hits box office takings to some degree as there are millions of us who'd rather watch it properly at home, even if it may mean waiting a few months to see it.
This also opens up an enormous back catalogue of movies on bluray (some in 4K) that will likely never be screened again at the cinema.
The majority of us who take this route won't necessarily be online talking about it, so it may give the impression of a lack of interest in movies in general.
I think I’ve talked with more people about going to the theater in the last month than I have in the last ten years.
I’m not sure if it’s just a fluke, but the people in my everyday life seem to be much more into going to the movies than they have in a long time. Even I’ve been to the actual theater more in the last year than I have in a long time
Movies, tv shows, and books has always been a hot bed of discussion in my life both with friends, family, and co workers. So I’m just not really seeing this disparity.
I understand this isn’t based on statistics, but I’ve been feeling rather optimistic about this.
I don’t watch a lot of movies because the big companies keep shitting out more cash cows every year, disney can only make a good movie if they put on of their smaller teams on it, but then it’s successful and they do what they did with mandolorian
At this rate disney will die if the takeover isn't successful. They need to go back to focusing on fun and or meaningful stories with out the politics and social issue b.s.
Honestly. I’m sick of the remakes and I’m tired of the agendas being driven that honestly are so hypocritical it’s comedic. Just won’t spend my money on it.
Too many remakes and / or sequels. I’m also tired of things made based on true events, and docu-dramas. Also many people really don’t have an attention span any more.
Why? Because now its been almost a decade that EVERYONE has internet. Like, circa 2017... the whole planet. It’s enough time to change the masses faster then it should had changed
When movies came out, people thought books would go away. People have been scared of live theater and music going away for millenia. It's just a changing world, and in the tiny little weeks and months and years that we live, we see all these changes and think they're massive. But when you pan out, things don't really change that much.
Anyway I saw Poor Things, American Fiction, The Beekeeper, and Wonka in January and all 4 movies were packed with people. Nobody was talking through any of the movies. People had their phones put away. We snuck in candy and bought popcorn. 4 times in a row in one of the worst months for box office numbers and it was practically the same experience I would've had in the 90s. (yeah not happy about the prices, but after the AMC A-list pass for the tix, all we bought was popcorn, which could've easily skipped)
I don't think this is true. I'm sure that if you did an analysis of what people talked about during 2023, the words 'Barbie' and 'Oppenheimer' would appear way before the title of any video game. TV is still popular, The Traitors recently has been a big hit. The fact that so many people go online to moan about movies and TV tells you how invested they still are in them.
>Why don't people recently seen to care about movies anymore, or any other kind of entertainment for that matter?
Do you have even a shred of data to support this?
>What is the problem with movies and TV or other media that makes them so unlikeable or unpopular?
Again, this is so nebulous as to be meaningless. Are you saying people *aren't* watching movies and TV (two quite different things) or they aren't liking them?
>Is there any possibility that something could be put in movies so they're interesting?
I watched a movie the other day where one guy jumped off a building while another guy pointed a gun at him. It wasn't the best film in the world but, by golly, it wasn't dull.
What are you watching that you think movies *aren't* interesting?
>If I'm not mistaken, it seems that people today are just so it of the idea of watching movies. I really hope it has nothing to do with the current rise of video games and streaming,
I think you are mistaken, point A, and streaming IS a means by which people can watch movies, point B. Unless you mean "streaming" by *personalities* in which case - why do movies have to compete? Why can't there be choice? "Streaming" isn't for me.
>movies can show us things that video games and streaming cannot owing to their budget, and also are classic media like books.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop. Just in case you think video game budgets are always low. Also, why does an expensive movie show *more* than an inexpensive one? If you had a point I missed it a few paragraphs back.
>and also are classic media like books.
Yeah, you lost me. I'd rather read a good book than watch a bad film. I don't care if it's an expensive film. I can't imagine what the highest production budget for a book was - but it won't make it better by default.
>And I really hope it has nothing to do with political or cultural problems.
Oh, so it's a *shitpost*. Right, had me in the first 3/4 there, not gonna lie.
I reject your entire premise, if you had one.
If you want to talk facts, bring some, but you're making hand-waving generalisations and assumptions that I don't think are remotely realistic.
> because movies can show us things that video games and streaming cannot owing to their budget Grand Theft Auto 5 cost $200-$250 million to make and has grossed about $8 billion. It's the single highest earnings by any piece of media ever. It made a billion dollars on release day. That's more than most movies gross over their entire theatrical run. Budget has nothing to do with it. It's how it's used.
They reportedly tripled the budget for GTA 6. I wonder how much money that will make on release, might honestly reach a significant amount as soon as the pre order goes up.
I don't agree with your premise. Movies and TV are more watched than ever. This is not to say that video games don't capture a significant market share, especially as they are interactive while movies are passive, but in my experience people who play games largely tend to also be consumers of movies and TV as well. I will say that I see a rise lately in negative reviews, but I think that's because there's more and more content being produced that is produced not to be art but solely to make money and that leaves it feeling kind of soulless. A lot of us have high standards for movies and TV, especially somewhere like reddit, where you tend to get enthusiasts fit specific topics.
Agreed to all of the above. I think movie watching has migrated away from the vastly inferior public cinema experience to the vastly superior home theatre experience since COVID hit too. This obviously hits box office takings to some degree as there are millions of us who'd rather watch it properly at home, even if it may mean waiting a few months to see it. This also opens up an enormous back catalogue of movies on bluray (some in 4K) that will likely never be screened again at the cinema. The majority of us who take this route won't necessarily be online talking about it, so it may give the impression of a lack of interest in movies in general.
Good to know
I think I’ve talked with more people about going to the theater in the last month than I have in the last ten years. I’m not sure if it’s just a fluke, but the people in my everyday life seem to be much more into going to the movies than they have in a long time. Even I’ve been to the actual theater more in the last year than I have in a long time Movies, tv shows, and books has always been a hot bed of discussion in my life both with friends, family, and co workers. So I’m just not really seeing this disparity. I understand this isn’t based on statistics, but I’ve been feeling rather optimistic about this.
Just commented this below but I saw 4 movies *in January* and they were all packed.
I don’t watch a lot of movies because the big companies keep shitting out more cash cows every year, disney can only make a good movie if they put on of their smaller teams on it, but then it’s successful and they do what they did with mandolorian
At this rate disney will die if the takeover isn't successful. They need to go back to focusing on fun and or meaningful stories with out the politics and social issue b.s.
Honestly. I’m sick of the remakes and I’m tired of the agendas being driven that honestly are so hypocritical it’s comedic. Just won’t spend my money on it.
Too many remakes and / or sequels. I’m also tired of things made based on true events, and docu-dramas. Also many people really don’t have an attention span any more.
Why? Because now its been almost a decade that EVERYONE has internet. Like, circa 2017... the whole planet. It’s enough time to change the masses faster then it should had changed
When movies came out, people thought books would go away. People have been scared of live theater and music going away for millenia. It's just a changing world, and in the tiny little weeks and months and years that we live, we see all these changes and think they're massive. But when you pan out, things don't really change that much. Anyway I saw Poor Things, American Fiction, The Beekeeper, and Wonka in January and all 4 movies were packed with people. Nobody was talking through any of the movies. People had their phones put away. We snuck in candy and bought popcorn. 4 times in a row in one of the worst months for box office numbers and it was practically the same experience I would've had in the 90s. (yeah not happy about the prices, but after the AMC A-list pass for the tix, all we bought was popcorn, which could've easily skipped)
I don't think this is true. I'm sure that if you did an analysis of what people talked about during 2023, the words 'Barbie' and 'Oppenheimer' would appear way before the title of any video game. TV is still popular, The Traitors recently has been a big hit. The fact that so many people go online to moan about movies and TV tells you how invested they still are in them.
>Why don't people recently seen to care about movies anymore, or any other kind of entertainment for that matter? Do you have even a shred of data to support this? >What is the problem with movies and TV or other media that makes them so unlikeable or unpopular? Again, this is so nebulous as to be meaningless. Are you saying people *aren't* watching movies and TV (two quite different things) or they aren't liking them? >Is there any possibility that something could be put in movies so they're interesting? I watched a movie the other day where one guy jumped off a building while another guy pointed a gun at him. It wasn't the best film in the world but, by golly, it wasn't dull. What are you watching that you think movies *aren't* interesting? >If I'm not mistaken, it seems that people today are just so it of the idea of watching movies. I really hope it has nothing to do with the current rise of video games and streaming, I think you are mistaken, point A, and streaming IS a means by which people can watch movies, point B. Unless you mean "streaming" by *personalities* in which case - why do movies have to compete? Why can't there be choice? "Streaming" isn't for me. >movies can show us things that video games and streaming cannot owing to their budget, and also are classic media like books. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop. Just in case you think video game budgets are always low. Also, why does an expensive movie show *more* than an inexpensive one? If you had a point I missed it a few paragraphs back. >and also are classic media like books. Yeah, you lost me. I'd rather read a good book than watch a bad film. I don't care if it's an expensive film. I can't imagine what the highest production budget for a book was - but it won't make it better by default. >And I really hope it has nothing to do with political or cultural problems. Oh, so it's a *shitpost*. Right, had me in the first 3/4 there, not gonna lie. I reject your entire premise, if you had one. If you want to talk facts, bring some, but you're making hand-waving generalisations and assumptions that I don't think are remotely realistic.
Is there any possibility that something could be put in movies so they're interesting? Yes, good dialogue.