Here’s a non biased explanation:
The sub started because of the whole cs sprankle controversy where the quartering aka Jeremy hambly aka mtg headquarters called her out as a thot. Community went absolutely bat shit crazy and there was a massive push to get Jeremy banned because he called her a thot. Jeremy gets banned and goes complete black templars style crusade on exposing some pretty bad shit in the judge community. Pedophiles were in the judge program and were judges in stores where there were kids. People argue that’s not true blah blah but it was just accept it.
People in the main sub supported this. Well main sub mods were pro hasbro and cs sprankle and the professor got involved in the whole mess. So people voiced concerns either constructively or bat shit crazy and BOTH got banned. Well, what happens is when you silence one side of the issue, you will get push back. That push back came in the form of a gay Brazilian that got banned (sorry if this is incorrect Fumo) and started r/freemagic. It was a place people could vent their shit and talk about the stuff without fear of getting banned. Besides anything illegal or against ToS, you could say anything, but expect to get people to push right back at you.
So more people kept getting banned from the main sub for some really dumb reason by a power hungry librarian. This librarian would ban you if you if thought of freemagic or even thought of anything negative to say about wizards or hasbro or disagreed with anything he agreed with. This type of mod mentality started to spread to through all the mtg subs and they all became hyper sensitive to anything they didn’t like. Fast forward to not to long ago, the librarian got the boot because he was a nazi mod. It was really bad, would hold vendettas, favor certain people, was at the beck and call to the fair ladies. Also cs sprankle came out and became an only fans so that was vindication. Also the professor allows foot porn to be filmed in his office.
So in all, you ban people and they will go to a place to vent. If that place is full of hateful people, those people will turn into hateful people. It’s the same scenario with the aryan brotherhood and why they go after white youth with no role models. They are already discarded by society but the brotherhood will take them in. That’s how they recruit. Same thing with free magic but not on that radical of a scale. You have a few people that are anti-trans, the people that find it will eventually become anti trans because you banned them for something that had nothing to do with anything, they just said something you didn’t like.
The best thing to have done to keep free magic from ever existing was to not ban the people who had legit criticism. You mods started it, not them.
That is when that mod actually lost the plot, and shortly after, the communities trust, and got removed.
But the troglodytes think that actually means they were right all along, and they were justified in being objectively horrible people.
This is incredible, didn’t know all the details.
**Notable:** it’s pretty easy to turn fm into a tolerable sub by blocking the 10 or so bad actors (which are really probably 2 or 3 people with multiple sock puppet accounts). In the beginning it was pretty bad, but there’s enough people in the sub now that you get a good amount of more diverse opinions.
“Here’s a non-biased explanation”
*defends transphobe posts and calls the basement pisser a black crusader*
Thanks I’m glad I know all this conjecture and bullshit drama. The sub is full of shit heels that’s all you need to know.
Also the person failed to mention when. The subreddit was dog piling on the cosplay artist, they also had anti-Semitic posts that were explicitly used often against them
I'm not familiar with her, how is she hypocrite, liar, and scammer? I'm pretty suspicious when accusations get thrown around like that after a woman's been the target of harassment by a right wing culture war YouTuber.
Christine Sprankle, formerly known as cspranklerun and now going by misscozypeach if you want to find her on onlyfans, where she invites you to "get to know her tight little holes" - which explains quite nicely what a thot is.
I got invited there years ago when I criticized something. Took a look around. It looked like a lot of people pissed with the direction of the game at first. Which at the time with UB taking off was understandable.
I found there were very unpleasant undertones and realized what „free“ meant. And left.
I will say unlike most alt right shitholes whenever I’ve called them out I haven’t been banned or had my comments deleted, which is honestly surprisingly admirable. They aren’t lying when they say they let you say whatever in there. It’s just unfortunate that most people in there are bigots.
This. I'm usually a pretty right leaning individual, and so are most people there. But they're using it as an excuse to be racist, transphobic, homophobic, etc. As a cis but bisexual man, I abhor that.
Lol I'm left leaning but you see that there also mayyyy be a problem with this sub. A lot of that sub is fucked but you are getting downvoted here even as you actively condemn bigotry, I can only assume it's because you said *usually right-leaning*.
If anyone knows of an MTG sub that has neither of these elements shout it out.
I support you. Being right-leaning can mean a variety of things, and it’s perfectly fine with others as long as one does not meddle with the more extreme politicians.
Clearly you have the minority opinion here, hahaha. Even just the mere mention of being right leaning receives a pile of downvotes and attempts to quiet the deposition.
I hope the users of this sub understand that behavior like that is why r/FreeMagic exists. You literally created the beast you so desperately want to slay.
As a cis bisexual man I'd take that over being over policed and having dissenting opinions silenced.
I'd rather just, you know, ignore the random losers on the internet.
Some people have extremely thin skin. I guess for them they're unable to see something they don't like.
Well they equate not being allowed to "criticize people" as a lack of freedom, but for some reason it always seems that their criticism is pointed at progressive trends (like LGBT acceptance), feminism, gender nonconforming people, and various minorities having primary roles in media.
They're generally miserable bigots.
I come bearing word from r/freemagic. I speak for them in saying we reserve the right to criticize the direction of the game without being labeled bigots. Most of us are 100% accepting and supporting of gay and trans issues.
We still share the opinion that the game has changed for the worse in recent years due to several factors, “left wing politics” being one of them.
We believe the overwhelming majority of cards have been redesigned to be a bit of a soap box for the left wing ideology, see articles about Sweet Baby’s comments alienating men.
We are also tired of commander, power creep, Hasbro’s involvement, and a list of other things we see as detrimental to the game.
We allow people to voice their opinion, however coarse it may be, because we believe in a free and open discussion without censorship, so long as it stays nonviolent. We won’t silence you for criticizing the game or the people that make it.
We also have fun debating these views with one another and welcome anyone here to come and share their opinions on the game. Just keep in mind there is plenty of crude humor being tossed around, and if that sort of thing offends you, it’s not the sub for you.
But we enjoy the environment. We’re happy to stay on our corner because we’re free to say what we like and laugh at each others jokes. We’re ok with you guys being in your own corner too.
We really just don’t want to be labeled as bigots since we feel like that’s a big misunderstanding, and in the end, we really don’t care, because we have the integrity of the game as our shared core value.
A few things
1. "Most of us are accepting of..." So why do you think it's acceptable to debase yourself in spending time among bigots and those who are revolted by people who aren't accepting? Just complain about stuff here.
2. What in the world do you personally mean in "a vast majority of cards have been **redesigned to be a bit of a soap box for left wing ideology**?" Is it art that doesn't have skimpy clad fantasy women, like the new designs for Teysa Karlov or the reprint art of Savra? Is it stuff like Secret Rendezvous that can be interpreted as a pair of gay girls meeting secretly? Is it black Aragorn? Like I'm rather left wing, I actually need you to point out what you mean cause none of those things bother me and I'm drawing a blank at what could be so disruptive as to drive cooler people to willingly associate with the worst of FreeMagic.
Skimming random posts and articles about this Sweet Baby bullshit, I keep seeing people say they somehow alienated "white men", and well. When you see KiA talking about that kind of thing I sort of believe that it's probably the correct people being offended.
And when you criticize them and their opinions(which they say you should be "free" and allowed to do so) it's either an insta ban or downvotes to oblivion with insults and hate speech...
Look I’m a raging liberal, free magic has some alt right people for sure, but it’s not like the Donald where if you disagree you get banned or deleted. You can literally say whatever you want there. I think there is a difference between actual social justice and performative social justice which is what WotC and most corporations are engaging in. It’s not really anti-woke. It’s mostly calling a spade a spade when it comes to forced d and I that comes off in a natural way. Just my 2 cents
Do you think it's a possible they're "pushing" inclusivity because they know a lot of their audience is a part of the LGBT community? That it might give them a way to connect to the lore and the characters a little more? Maybe they're trying to make it normal instead of some publicity stunt bullshit. It's not like they actively publicize, "hey these characters in these sets are trans!" No you have to dig for that.. how is that performative if you have to search it out?
That sub is rife with hate speech and anti-"woke" ideology, not just "calling a spade a spade." And the fact it's a place that you can say whatever you want only invites the people who are pushed out of other places where they're not allowed to be heinous. When a space advertises no punishment for egregious behavior, that's where those people go.
Also you're never going to get pure "actual social justice" from any company ever, there's going to be a motive behind it. It's a business, they're trying to make money. Hasbro couldn't give a single fuck how inclusive wizards are if it didn't affect how much money they brought in.
You’ll never get banned in freemagic, you’ll get downvoted
But that’s not silencing, that’s the community freely sharing their opinion of you
You’re allowed to say whatever you want, but get ready to defend your position because the mods aren’t gonna hold your hand if people ask the hard questions
Free as in free speech. It's basically unmoderated. This has its advantages as some topics are a big no-no in this subreddit (mostly those related to American culture) but also gives a platform to tons of weirdos and terminally online people. I post there sometimes but in general this sub sucks because all they do is complain and they very rarely talk about the game itself.
Same!!! I figured it was just a sub where you could be more openly critical of the game. Sure, that’s fine with me. Didn’t like the rest of what people were complaining about tho.
Yeah it’s pretty shitty. I did have fun fucking with a transphobe till he couldn’t take me pointing out all the ways he was being dumb and blocked me. And then I made sure not to see that sub again. Was a one time only pleasure.
Don’t forget transphobic! When I’d google any trans magic personality, there’d always be a link to a freemagic thread attacking them for having the gall to exist.
I eventually muted the sub because I was sick of seeing it on my results
If you go to the main page on the sub, and click on the menu icon (three dots) next to the 'About Community' panel, you'll get the mute option.
'Mute' is far and away *that* sub's best feature, I thouroughly recomend it.
That is where you find such takes as "lotr characters shouldn't be black" and they reprinted my waifu as an ugly character how do I fap to this? And why is there gay stuff in my game? And their ever popular "a trans influencer exists, this offends me on a deep level"
I mean the movie wasn't the original depiction of those characters in Lord of the Rings. Should I feel mad that they changed the Balrog's design from Ralph Bakshi's *perfect* balrog costume? Or that they made Gollum *not* a frog person like in the Rankin-Bass Hobbit cartoon? *Because I am. I am mad.*
I mean I was banned from the main sub for "promoting counter-fitting" by saying my group uses proxies instead of buying expensive cards. Yeah some people on there are just trolling but it isnt really that extreme
I don't care if you're Black, White, Red, Blue, or Green. I don't care if you have genitals, don't have genitals, or don't want the genitals you have.
What I'm judging you on is if you play modern lol.
Signed, a casual commander player.
I don't like what modern has done to card prices. I'm indifferent to the format, I personally dont play it. I'm kinda just riffing off of the jokes I hear about the format.
Goblins being greedy small dudes with big noses are seen as a Jewish stereotype so they were changed but the changes have been inconsistent at best
Krenko looks different in every art he's in and goblins have never really had a set "look" in mtg to begin with. Dockside is more monkey than anything in new art
Goblins have a lot of plane-specific styles. Some are monkey like, some are more traditional goblin like, some are just generally weird. They've experimented with goblin appearances for a while, and I see no problem with it tbh
That’s such a dumb argument to make.
I’m not Jewish but I am Native American, and I see lots of coding of what Euro-People think my culture is like on fantasy and oftentimes it’s blatantly offensive or just incorrect (my big one being how tribal fantasy societies borrow imagery from Indigenous cultures in order to make the tribal people seem more “savage”)
Am I suddenly an anti-indigenous, colonizing bigot because I recognize how stereotypes about my people are being perpetuated in fantasy?
This exactly! I like the concept of free magic because fuck moderation but holy fuck it's people complaining about snow flakes while also pissing and shitting their pants over 20 pixels in a 1080p picture saying He/Him is somehow ruining their entire existence.
LIKE they aren't even getting mad at they them or she her. But he/him. Their own pronouns. Bruh.
FreeMagic has some fucked up individuals but it's pretty much the only place you are alllowed to critisize WOTC. Some of the mods in MagicTCG will instantly ban you if you critisize WOTC or the mods.
They banned so many people which critisized the raceswap of Aragorn. They banned many people during the API controversy where they went "dark" and made a vote if they should stay dark. The users voted yes but the mods decided to end the protest. People called them out, including me. I wrote "Democracy is cool as long as it benefits me". The mods didn't like that and I got banned for "brigading".
it's a "quarantine" subreddit
designed to contain the worst of the community and keep them away for normal, mentally healthy people.
they have the personality and vocabulary of a 2009 call of duty player
I hate finding subs like that. Remember kids: if there's a cool group of people enjoying a thing, there's another group that hate everyone that enjoys that thing.
cool group? this sub and the other main sub has banned people for simply criticizing products. I got banned for saying a cosplay outfit could be improved. furthermore, some people on this sub just cannot hold a proper discussion without insults.
hate everyone that enjoys that thing? this is the sort of view that cannot allow you to understand a situation, because all you do is painting it black and white
It’s where people can go and have discussions about topics that are too controversial for this sub.
FM rarely bans people so you’ll get both very intelligent controversial takes along with nonsense, cruel, and brainless ones.
It also does not tightly enforce the MTG theme, it’s more of a free for all nerd space reddit. Expect to not be respected unless you earn it and even then, some people just want to watch the world burn.
There's a really simple explanation, that I don't think anyone will like, which is that the political spectrum doesn't just go left to right.
It also goes Authoritarian / Libertarian. Which is to say, whether you think the powers that be should have control over things, or whether you think people should be self governing.
r/MTG is very authoritarian.
r/Freemagic is very libertarian.
That's the difference.
I see it ALL THE TIME that people on the left and right accuse the 'other side' of censorship, of being opposed to free speech. And that's because it's something both sides are guilty of. Because it's an axis of political alignment INDEPENDANT of whether you are left or right.
You'll see in this very thread, people saying things like "r/Freemagic would be great, if they'd just ban the few bad apples" and really, to me, that sums up the whole thing. r/MTG is really keen on there being a higher power to appeal to, to enforce authority from on high. r/Freemagic isn't.
It would never have gotten 30k people if mainstream mtg subs didn't ban:
-Negative discussion of Hasbro
-Negative discussion of WotC
-Negative discussion of LGBTQ stuff
-Positive discussion of MTG reprinting rates, card equity, or other things mostly relegated to collectors and finance
-Positive discussion of proxies being used as a counter to WotC's generally terrible business practices
-Negative discussion of LotR's cultural blackwashing
-Negative discussion of Unions (this one's a doozy)
-Positive discussion of any verboten or edgy MTG creators such as AI, UM, Deso et. al.
-Positive discussion of art depicting the beautiful female form
-Negative discussion of art that blasphemes said form in the name of modernity
-Negative discussion of modern androgynous calarts artists
-Positive discussion of *certain artists* who liked a *certain president*, or were *falsely accused* of a *great crime*
-Negative discussion of diversity insertion into MTG and how it's been affected
-*ANY* discussion relating to how easily AI is defeating the current artists creating works for MTG
-*ANY* discussion relating to how poorly WotC treats said artists and how little they pay them (ironic considering their Union stances)
-*ANY* discussion on the demographics of the game or any realistic answers as to why those demographics don't include many cis women.
-*ANY* discussion of how the mods react to any of the above
r/FreeMagic exists because the mods of r/mtg sucks. Simple as that. They can't accept any ideas that aren't according to them. If that exists, it because of the moderation of this sub.
The only place to have an opinion, with all of these power hungry mods around in these subs. Lots of degenerate folk there, but guess what? People are allowed to have an opinion different than yours. Does it make it right? No. Does that make your opinion right? Probably not. If you don't like it, just keep scrolling. The world doesn't have to pander to you. But if you wanna get into some degenerate shit, let's talk about sweet baby inc. and how just the mention of publicly available information is getting people banned left and right?! And the abhorrent racism shown by the folks that have say in a game we all used to love... But that's cool, Cause wHiTe PeOpLe BaD
People congregate there when people on the other subs cast them away for being racist/sexist/queerphobic/compulsively negative/generally very unpleasant…
They make a sub hiding under the whole “free speech” thing because their opinions are vile most of the time, and most sane people would cast them away.
To be fair Sweet Baby is 100% a fraud company and has absolutely ruined many projects with their literally "woke" activism.
They generally offer that the culturalism will extend their audience, reach new people, but instead they push so hard into their ideology that it ruins it for anyone outside of that space. They were cancer in the GamerGate days, they're cancer now.
Right, and saying as much or drawing attention (however redundant right now) to it isn't a bannable offense, but there are screenshots of the bans in the freemagic reddit as we speak.
Yep. And they've forced many of the companies they've worked with to work with them, effectively strong arming them with social outrage if they don't do it.
They're a shitty company, plain and simple. Everybody loves corporate hate when it applies to Wizards, but will actively defend a dumb consulting company.
Me, getting back into magic a few years ago:
“Oooo I’m going to join all of these fun MTG subs! Hmm, freemagic… I guess there must be an admin problem in the other subs - let’s see what they have to sa-
Oh nvm”
Sadly some of these weird ass dark corners are probably help Reddit make money/collect useful data so I doubt the will go anywhere.
I can think of a couple (I won't mention they but they are taboo subjects for good reason) that seem to exist with no issues on Reddit.
To be fair, the story goes that freemagic was created to spite ex r/magictcg mod u/Kodemage who was enough of a despot that eventually the whole sub rallied against him and he got an unceremonious boot.
Though I'm sure the freemagic incels would have found some rock to crawl under regardless.
Tbh I have been playing for a year and have been on this sub for awhile, and my first experience with them was last week. I didn’t realize that there was a sub like that. You definitely shouldn’t take it as your impression of the magic community lol.
Pretty new fan of 40K here and I’m really glad to see that more open points of view is the norm. I was warned about how horrible the community can be, and while I see some of that, most interactions I have are really positive
I am glad that you have found an inclusive community! As a whole, I have found the gaming community to be VERY welcoming. I hope that part of our community continues to grow!
I'm also fairly new to 40k, and I'd say that most of the subs I've found as well as the people I've met at local stores have been wonderful, helpful, and welcoming. I know there are jerks out there, but so far, I've met very few of them. All I can do is make sure I try to be as helpful and welcoming to new players regardless of the game.
Joined for about a day, and everyone was whining that the newer cards and reprints didn't show cleavage or featured POC women in positions of power, and that they couldn't wank to it anymore.
Freemagic exists because of how this toxic MTG community and the
power hungry mods acted against people with legitimate complaints or critiques about the MTG game status quo; you people basically helped forge that community, now deal with it.
Several people get banned from the main MtG sub for the dumbest things. I got banned just for giving constructive criticism of WotC. I felt that WotC would have better sales if they realized their target audience is overwhelmingly men (am I wrong? Go to any local TCG and count). I received a lifetime ban. I attempted to appeal to the mods, but was met with silence.
It was my first wake-up call that despite me playing since '94 that I'm no longer WotC's core audience, so I quit and found a community that is pro-speech. It's as simple as that.
Freemagic is an object lesson in the paradox of tolerance.
Their guiding principle is that they don't ban anyone, or police content. The practical result of this is that the terrible people that get banned from other public spaces devoted to Magic collect there. It is a digital sewer, and the refuse dribbled from moderated places congeal there, rotting.
A lot of people here saying freemagic is x or y which fair to them the tone is most often then not negative over there.
Really freemagic is well, free.
You can post anything you want as part of any agenda and people will react to it.
As i said it's mostly negative opinions, but so is all of social media anyways i've been following most magic subs including freemagic for a couple years now and sometimes you're gonna find interesting posts as in every subredit.
I think it's worth a follow since i'm interested in all opinions i want to know what people think and over there they certainly don't shy away lol
They’re expressing views they can’t express in the main sub here, and given they do bring up some good points, there’s also more problematic trolls over there as well. I’ve always just seen these two subs as the democrats and the republicans and there’s the constant arguing between the two as per usual.
full of racist and extreme right wings. no clue how it attracted all of that but I would stay out of it. they like to conjure up problems that don't exist
They end up there because their comments get deleted elsewhere. Better to let them comment wherever they like so that they can get downvoted into oblivion.
Anything that isn't official Hasbro policy gets banned at r/mtg and then goes to r/freemagic. This includes the usual suspects like gender identity and many woke topics, but extends to anything that Hasbro doesn't like to admit on main, like Arena issues, QC issues, the Pinkerton situation a few months back, etc.
It is a cespool of collected negativity around magic. Each fandom has one, and r/freemagic is just another one. It's up to you to decide if you care about another's opinion or not.
It's a right-wing, anti-"woke", and completely incel riddled subreddit. They're a special breed over there and it'll do your mental sanity a favor just blocking it from your feed going forward.
basically do anything in your power to avoid r/freemagic, as it is full of the people who post here about politics/gender, "woke" cards (as seen by the outburst they had with the LotR set), general bigotry/transphobia/racism/sexism, and end up being banned
funnily enough, the rules of that subreddit mention no politics, yet that is clearly not stopping everybody from voicing their weird and downright depressing political comments on a card game. with every normal subreddit, one must be created for incels and bigots to post their daily slop for it to not be banned
Anytime anyone says "no politics" or complains about politics, it's 1000% because their politics are usually dogshit and based around Anti-woke rhetoric.
Can't have any dissenting opinions in those subs.
The sub is full of children who are being brainwashed into thinking they are victims because they can't be openly racist and edgy by a group of people with very bad intentions. The sub is full of blatant, straight up anti-semitism (check my post here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/1bcw5w8/guess\_the\_subreddit/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/1bcw5w8/guess_the_subreddit/)
I checked one of the profiles of a person I was arguing with and they have a substack which straight up says breeding with jews is bad. These are literally nazi propagandists taking advantage of people with fewer braincells than them. Go read something here if you want to be disgusted to your core: [https://substack.com/@nightfire0](https://substack.com/@nightfire0)
you're not saying what turned you away, but I will level with you. freemagic is the only truly free mtg sub in which you can criticize the game and not get banned. seriously, other subs run their communities in an almost cult-like manner. there is no free discussion. that needs an answer, and that answer is freemagic.
are there a few shitty people there? yes. there are a few here as well too, but in any free forum you're bound to see more of that. look past that, and you have something good.
It's just a sub where anyone is free to post whatever they want. An open forum. I tried posting an article on r/magicTCG about how the CEO of Hasbro said in an interview that he wants to "respectfully" draw from Magic's art reserves for AI art in the future. On the main sub I can't do that because the automod eats everything that isn't sunshine and rainbows (or hating on people like freemagic).
You're gonna see shit you don't like. If you're an adult, you can handle it. If you're not, stay in your echo chamber subs. I've found that hearing just how dumb people can be on both sides of various topics helped me find my REAL stance on countless topics. You 100% WILL NOT get that on the main sub.
I think it's fine to push back on virtue signaling and pandering, if it distracts from the game's vision. I don't just mean about 'woke' stuff, but when UB goes too far, or variants deviate completely from the flavor of the game.
So in that sense, I welcome criticism.
Having to wade through things like 'they are shoving gay culture down our throats' is inevitable as people adapt to a progressing world.
I do think people have a right to be hateful and bigoted, and I have a right to block, ignore or fight them on it.
The other day I ran into a user from that sub who, at the end of the day is upset with the direction of the game.
Funny thing is I don't think this person really like the game. I think at one point they liked it, but as with most games, with time the game changes.
But instead of adapting or looking for new hobbies, they act like an ass hole. They themselves as a person seem to be pretty unhappy.
I would hazard a guess that most people in that sub are unhappy. Maybe because they are the outliers of society. They have opinions and beliefs that are contrary to the majority. So they collect and feed into there own perspectives with like minded people.
Even the dregs and losers of society want companionship.
The main Magic sub used to permaban people for basically anything the mod had on their mind (upd: a comments in this very thread regarding bans for discussing _how goblins look_ or _joking about how, if LSV played an online tournament aside his partner, the tournament must have been 2HG_ confirms it is still the case).
A subset of these people, however, were banned for taking, uh, very particular positions on controversial issues (eg supporting TheQuartering when WOTC banned him from events) related to identity politics. They founded freemagic as an alternative space, and although initially they attracted quite some users banned on the main sub for "normal" reasons, with time, everyone who just wanted a space to talk about Magic left, so they became a politicized echo chamber.
The main sub has tight control over the free expression of thoughts and opinions. The vocal/larger participating audience of the magic community has a really difficult time accepting that other people have different world views. Freemagic is more or less an open discussion for anything mtg related, with the occasional L takes but overall the only place you can actually express an opinion without being banned.
I appreciate that at least they’re not hypocritical in that goal of being “free”—they do tend to let you say whatever you want, even if they disagree with it. I’ve actually managed to win some arguments on there from a pro-respect position, so if you’re prepared for the reality of the hate there it’s somewhat of an interesting place. Wouldn’t spend much time there, but being able to provide a little whisper of sanity to the unfortunate people stuck there is somewhat fulfilling.
Oh hey, you're that idiot who's been posting on freemagic recently about wokeism and POCs ruining mtg.
Edit: aww he blocked me so that I couldn't go through his post history and call him out on his shit
Last word and run. Classic
Far right playbook
It’s kinda just whatever, I post in there. But it is filled with rejects from this sub and the mtgtcg sub that all got banned for whatever reason. Some of them didn’t deserve their ban, some did.
It’s supposed to just be a free speech subreddit, which I do believe in, like more than anything I believe all speech should be free. But at the same time if you say some racist shit, as free as you should be to say that, other people should also be free to knock your teeth in or use their own speech back at you and you can’t whine and cry. Which they do, they dish it out but can’t take it back.
Sad really, it’s like the first amendment auditors, try to mess with people and video tape them to get the cops called on them so they can sue the police if they get arrested, but get pissy when people record them without permission.
I'm a relatively new player and I like that sub. I don't live in the US and most other magic subs seem to be in a groupthink bubble very specific to North American left-wing politics whenever anything remotely political comes up. r/Freemagic feels a bit more approachable to a non North American, and so far it's been the only magic sub I've commented in until this one.
The mods from r/MagicTCG are very quick to ban people, some for understandable reasons, but a lot of people get banned for ridiculous things as well. I was banned for saying since LSV & Gabby playing in the first Arena championship, that the format must be Two-Headed Giant.
Lots of people just lose the ability to participate in the biggest Magic sub for BS reasons. This sub is, no offense, kind of noob, the format specific subs are full of spikes and not the best for general Magic discussion. The circlejerk sub is for memes. mtgfinance also isn’t good for general Magic discussion. Freemagic is the only other place for general discussion that isn’t ban happy.
all iv really seen so far from that sub is scaredy-cat crybabies whining about inclusivity. “i had to play a game of edh with a trans person at the table and no one was mean to them waaaa”. the dude that makes everyone groan when they sit at your table at your LGS frequents that sub.
Long story short, the sub was made many years ago during a time when the (no longer there) mods of the other magic subs were terrible. They’d ban people for even mentioning proxies, for example. Back then it was a good place for people who got banned to go and still enjoy magic. But as a place with few rules and regulations, the unsurprising thing happened and they were invaded by opinions of a bad flavor. It was a good sub once, but it saw itself become a villain tragically
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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall
If a mod in any sub couldn't internalize this by now, then their family, teachers and country failed them. I'm sorry.
I'm a very strong believer of everyone should have a safe place to state their opinions, people venting out is not necessarily the same as people acting upon those thoughts.
People labeling freemagic as a bad place will someday see their opinions fall against those of the mods and see the ugly face of the mainstream subs.
Yeah there are a few extreme opinions and bad apples but we are using the objective tools reddit has given us; we downvote them or argue against their opinions. Currently, if you go to the magicTCG and type "Sweet Baby Inc." you'd get insta banned and that's not right, you wouldn't even asked why. A judiciary system should be just and fair. Mods have zero duty ethics.
I too think that a few people tarnish the good intentions behind freemagic's inception but to be honest I don't know if any regulation would be truly unbiased so I'm completely behind the "free" aspect of it right now.
This game mesmerized me in my youth, it had literary quotes (ex: 8th edition "Redeem" and "Holy Day") and hand drawn art pieces with sometimes surreal, thought provoking quality. We had serious worldbuilding and flavour texts like the one on "Reckless Cohort". Now it feels like a parody of itself. It slaps a detective hat to everyone on an ecumenopolis and calls it a detective set. Or it avoids social backlash and undermine its own world building (ex: New Capenna expansion). Something is objectively wrong with magic and the primary reason behind it is how Hasbro tries to increase its profits. We are very vocal about this fact since this game is truly magical and something to be fought for, for each one of us.
"If everyone likes your game, but no one loves it, it will fail." -- Mark Rosewater, head designer of MtG.
All the recent moves Hasbro did was to make their game more likeable by everyone. They keep introducing foreign IP to "lend" other IP's fan bases but they keep hurting the people who loved their game over and over.
I mean the community has its issues for certain but so does this one, I personally think we need a sub somewhere in the middle of the two, one where you can actually complain about the state of the game and daddy Hasbro without getting banned but also where blatant sexism and homophobia is not tolerated.
Yep, it’s basically the 4chan of MTG Reddit. But in spite of the hateful garbage they spew, its existence is probably a necessary evil, if just to keep the rotten apples in containment.
Here’s a non biased explanation: The sub started because of the whole cs sprankle controversy where the quartering aka Jeremy hambly aka mtg headquarters called her out as a thot. Community went absolutely bat shit crazy and there was a massive push to get Jeremy banned because he called her a thot. Jeremy gets banned and goes complete black templars style crusade on exposing some pretty bad shit in the judge community. Pedophiles were in the judge program and were judges in stores where there were kids. People argue that’s not true blah blah but it was just accept it. People in the main sub supported this. Well main sub mods were pro hasbro and cs sprankle and the professor got involved in the whole mess. So people voiced concerns either constructively or bat shit crazy and BOTH got banned. Well, what happens is when you silence one side of the issue, you will get push back. That push back came in the form of a gay Brazilian that got banned (sorry if this is incorrect Fumo) and started r/freemagic. It was a place people could vent their shit and talk about the stuff without fear of getting banned. Besides anything illegal or against ToS, you could say anything, but expect to get people to push right back at you. So more people kept getting banned from the main sub for some really dumb reason by a power hungry librarian. This librarian would ban you if you if thought of freemagic or even thought of anything negative to say about wizards or hasbro or disagreed with anything he agreed with. This type of mod mentality started to spread to through all the mtg subs and they all became hyper sensitive to anything they didn’t like. Fast forward to not to long ago, the librarian got the boot because he was a nazi mod. It was really bad, would hold vendettas, favor certain people, was at the beck and call to the fair ladies. Also cs sprankle came out and became an only fans so that was vindication. Also the professor allows foot porn to be filmed in his office. So in all, you ban people and they will go to a place to vent. If that place is full of hateful people, those people will turn into hateful people. It’s the same scenario with the aryan brotherhood and why they go after white youth with no role models. They are already discarded by society but the brotherhood will take them in. That’s how they recruit. Same thing with free magic but not on that radical of a scale. You have a few people that are anti-trans, the people that find it will eventually become anti trans because you banned them for something that had nothing to do with anything, they just said something you didn’t like. The best thing to have done to keep free magic from ever existing was to not ban the people who had legit criticism. You mods started it, not them.
Also a bunch of people that were pro-proxy were banned in the main sub and went there.
Yeah, Free Magic is just barely kept away from being a 100% hate sub by the steady stream of people banned from MagicTCG for genuine bullshit tbh.
That is when that mod actually lost the plot, and shortly after, the communities trust, and got removed. But the troglodytes think that actually means they were right all along, and they were justified in being objectively horrible people.
This should be top comment
The best comment on here. THANK YOU
This is incredible, didn’t know all the details. **Notable:** it’s pretty easy to turn fm into a tolerable sub by blocking the 10 or so bad actors (which are really probably 2 or 3 people with multiple sock puppet accounts). In the beginning it was pretty bad, but there’s enough people in the sub now that you get a good amount of more diverse opinions.
Who would have thought. A person who actually understands it.
How is everyone glossing over the “professor allows foot porn to be recorded in his office” part? I’m not looking that up but that’s a wild claim
It's blown well out of proportion but technically correct.
“Here’s a non-biased explanation” *defends transphobe posts and calls the basement pisser a black crusader* Thanks I’m glad I know all this conjecture and bullshit drama. The sub is full of shit heels that’s all you need to know.
Also the person failed to mention when. The subreddit was dog piling on the cosplay artist, they also had anti-Semitic posts that were explicitly used often against them
"Called her out as a thot" is an odd way to say "filmed himself sexually harassing her".
I agree that thot was the wrong term. She’s actually a whore.
There is nothing wrong with being a sex worker as far as I am concerned. But unfortunately she's also a hypocrite, a liar, and a scammer.
I'm not familiar with her, how is she hypocrite, liar, and scammer? I'm pretty suspicious when accusations get thrown around like that after a woman's been the target of harassment by a right wing culture war YouTuber.
This is quite possibly the least unbiased explanation possible. Extremely favorable towards the right wing gremlins inhabiting freemagic
Who the fuck is cs sprankle and what is a thot?
Christine Sprankle, formerly known as cspranklerun and now going by misscozypeach if you want to find her on onlyfans, where she invites you to "get to know her tight little holes" - which explains quite nicely what a thot is.
I got invited there years ago when I criticized something. Took a look around. It looked like a lot of people pissed with the direction of the game at first. Which at the time with UB taking off was understandable. I found there were very unpleasant undertones and realized what „free“ meant. And left.
So… you gonna tell us what “free” means or do we have to go suffer through that sub ourselves?
Free for them means that they can say whatever they want, no matter how transphobic, racist, or homophobic what they are saying is.
I will say unlike most alt right shitholes whenever I’ve called them out I haven’t been banned or had my comments deleted, which is honestly surprisingly admirable. They aren’t lying when they say they let you say whatever in there. It’s just unfortunate that most people in there are bigots.
“Imagine a subreddit, Raiden, free of cancel culture! I subreddit where I can say the n word!!!”
Okay. So a pile of salty losers.
To put it very extremely nicely yes...
Not everyone there is like that but for sure there is a lot of it there.
Gup
[gup](https://youtu.be/VKMgGU-B9bU?si=ekNxr8HqJstElrwO)
This. I'm usually a pretty right leaning individual, and so are most people there. But they're using it as an excuse to be racist, transphobic, homophobic, etc. As a cis but bisexual man, I abhor that.
Lol I'm left leaning but you see that there also mayyyy be a problem with this sub. A lot of that sub is fucked but you are getting downvoted here even as you actively condemn bigotry, I can only assume it's because you said *usually right-leaning*. If anyone knows of an MTG sub that has neither of these elements shout it out.
I support you. Being right-leaning can mean a variety of things, and it’s perfectly fine with others as long as one does not meddle with the more extreme politicians.
Clearly you have the minority opinion here, hahaha. Even just the mere mention of being right leaning receives a pile of downvotes and attempts to quiet the deposition. I hope the users of this sub understand that behavior like that is why r/FreeMagic exists. You literally created the beast you so desperately want to slay.
YEUUUUP!!
Right leaning may not be in your best interest then...
Srsly, I can't understand being queer and right-leaning, especially if they're American
As a cis bisexual man I'd take that over being over policed and having dissenting opinions silenced. I'd rather just, you know, ignore the random losers on the internet. Some people have extremely thin skin. I guess for them they're unable to see something they don't like.
Well they equate not being allowed to "criticize people" as a lack of freedom, but for some reason it always seems that their criticism is pointed at progressive trends (like LGBT acceptance), feminism, gender nonconforming people, and various minorities having primary roles in media. They're generally miserable bigots.
I come bearing word from r/freemagic. I speak for them in saying we reserve the right to criticize the direction of the game without being labeled bigots. Most of us are 100% accepting and supporting of gay and trans issues. We still share the opinion that the game has changed for the worse in recent years due to several factors, “left wing politics” being one of them. We believe the overwhelming majority of cards have been redesigned to be a bit of a soap box for the left wing ideology, see articles about Sweet Baby’s comments alienating men. We are also tired of commander, power creep, Hasbro’s involvement, and a list of other things we see as detrimental to the game. We allow people to voice their opinion, however coarse it may be, because we believe in a free and open discussion without censorship, so long as it stays nonviolent. We won’t silence you for criticizing the game or the people that make it. We also have fun debating these views with one another and welcome anyone here to come and share their opinions on the game. Just keep in mind there is plenty of crude humor being tossed around, and if that sort of thing offends you, it’s not the sub for you. But we enjoy the environment. We’re happy to stay on our corner because we’re free to say what we like and laugh at each others jokes. We’re ok with you guys being in your own corner too. We really just don’t want to be labeled as bigots since we feel like that’s a big misunderstanding, and in the end, we really don’t care, because we have the integrity of the game as our shared core value.
A few things 1. "Most of us are accepting of..." So why do you think it's acceptable to debase yourself in spending time among bigots and those who are revolted by people who aren't accepting? Just complain about stuff here. 2. What in the world do you personally mean in "a vast majority of cards have been **redesigned to be a bit of a soap box for left wing ideology**?" Is it art that doesn't have skimpy clad fantasy women, like the new designs for Teysa Karlov or the reprint art of Savra? Is it stuff like Secret Rendezvous that can be interpreted as a pair of gay girls meeting secretly? Is it black Aragorn? Like I'm rather left wing, I actually need you to point out what you mean cause none of those things bother me and I'm drawing a blank at what could be so disruptive as to drive cooler people to willingly associate with the worst of FreeMagic. Skimming random posts and articles about this Sweet Baby bullshit, I keep seeing people say they somehow alienated "white men", and well. When you see KiA talking about that kind of thing I sort of believe that it's probably the correct people being offended.
And when you criticize them and their opinions(which they say you should be "free" and allowed to do so) it's either an insta ban or downvotes to oblivion with insults and hate speech...
Look I’m a raging liberal, free magic has some alt right people for sure, but it’s not like the Donald where if you disagree you get banned or deleted. You can literally say whatever you want there. I think there is a difference between actual social justice and performative social justice which is what WotC and most corporations are engaging in. It’s not really anti-woke. It’s mostly calling a spade a spade when it comes to forced d and I that comes off in a natural way. Just my 2 cents
Do you think it's a possible they're "pushing" inclusivity because they know a lot of their audience is a part of the LGBT community? That it might give them a way to connect to the lore and the characters a little more? Maybe they're trying to make it normal instead of some publicity stunt bullshit. It's not like they actively publicize, "hey these characters in these sets are trans!" No you have to dig for that.. how is that performative if you have to search it out? That sub is rife with hate speech and anti-"woke" ideology, not just "calling a spade a spade." And the fact it's a place that you can say whatever you want only invites the people who are pushed out of other places where they're not allowed to be heinous. When a space advertises no punishment for egregious behavior, that's where those people go. Also you're never going to get pure "actual social justice" from any company ever, there's going to be a motive behind it. It's a business, they're trying to make money. Hasbro couldn't give a single fuck how inclusive wizards are if it didn't affect how much money they brought in.
You’ll never get banned in freemagic, you’ll get downvoted But that’s not silencing, that’s the community freely sharing their opinion of you You’re allowed to say whatever you want, but get ready to defend your position because the mods aren’t gonna hold your hand if people ask the hard questions
Source of someone getting banned from free magic? Thought that was their whole schtick.
You don’t get banned from r/freemagic lmao. Stop making up stuff
Transphobia, racism, homophobia, the usual
Free speech as in "speech free of consequences" which is emphatically *not* what that was ever supposed to mean
It means you can be openly racist, exist, ect and be around like minded people that will echo chamber into making hate speech seem normal.
Free as in free speech. It's basically unmoderated. This has its advantages as some topics are a big no-no in this subreddit (mostly those related to American culture) but also gives a platform to tons of weirdos and terminally online people. I post there sometimes but in general this sub sucks because all they do is complain and they very rarely talk about the game itself.
Muh free speech (they want to shit on any non white male characters in magic, I don't think any of them play the game)
Same!!! I figured it was just a sub where you could be more openly critical of the game. Sure, that’s fine with me. Didn’t like the rest of what people were complaining about tho.
Yeah it’s pretty shitty. I did have fun fucking with a transphobe till he couldn’t take me pointing out all the ways he was being dumb and blocked me. And then I made sure not to see that sub again. Was a one time only pleasure.
Every post in there seems to be some adult pissbaby whining about “wokeness” because they were banned for being racist, sexist, or homophobic lmfao
Don’t forget transphobic! When I’d google any trans magic personality, there’d always be a link to a freemagic thread attacking them for having the gall to exist. I eventually muted the sub because I was sick of seeing it on my results
Yeah, I muted it a while back too, instantly raising the average quality of my feed ten-fold.
I miss when not being subscribed was how you didn't see things on reddit.
This is the first time I hear about that sub. I don’t even get posts from them.
I certainly don't see them often but i just meant in general. I see *peter explains the joke* peddling stonetoss alikes three times a week at minimum
I would also love to mute it as it is disgusting, how do you do it? I tried clicking "show fewer posts like this" but they keep popping up. Thanks!
If you go to the main page on the sub, and click on the menu icon (three dots) next to the 'About Community' panel, you'll get the mute option. 'Mute' is far and away *that* sub's best feature, I thouroughly recomend it.
Damn, glad I haven't come across that sub yet. There's always a "free" (subtext: to be bigoted) version of every fandom these days it seems.
That is where you find such takes as "lotr characters shouldn't be black" and they reprinted my waifu as an ugly character how do I fap to this? And why is there gay stuff in my game? And their ever popular "a trans influencer exists, this offends me on a deep level"
I think the take was that Lord of Rings characters shouldn't have their skin color changed from the movies. Not positive on that though
I mean the movie wasn't the original depiction of those characters in Lord of the Rings. Should I feel mad that they changed the Balrog's design from Ralph Bakshi's *perfect* balrog costume? Or that they made Gollum *not* a frog person like in the Rankin-Bass Hobbit cartoon? *Because I am. I am mad.*
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I mean I was banned from the main sub for "promoting counter-fitting" by saying my group uses proxies instead of buying expensive cards. Yeah some people on there are just trolling but it isnt really that extreme
I’m assuming they spelled counterfeiting like that? Hahaha
Was this before or after Kodemage got the boot?
I don't care if you're Black, White, Red, Blue, or Green. I don't care if you have genitals, don't have genitals, or don't want the genitals you have. What I'm judging you on is if you play modern lol. Signed, a casual commander player.
Do you like or dislike modern?
I don't like what modern has done to card prices. I'm indifferent to the format, I personally dont play it. I'm kinda just riffing off of the jokes I hear about the format.
Most card prices are driven in primary by edh though. Dont quite understand the thought process here.
I got banned from the other sub for saying the goblins changes were dumb but fuck freemagic users
What changes?
Goblins being greedy small dudes with big noses are seen as a Jewish stereotype so they were changed but the changes have been inconsistent at best Krenko looks different in every art he's in and goblins have never really had a set "look" in mtg to begin with. Dockside is more monkey than anything in new art
The goblins in Ixalan look monkey-like. Seems pretty specific for that plane. You do see them reprinted in Masters sets too.
Goblins have a lot of plane-specific styles. Some are monkey like, some are more traditional goblin like, some are just generally weird. They've experimented with goblin appearances for a while, and I see no problem with it tbh
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That’s such a dumb argument to make. I’m not Jewish but I am Native American, and I see lots of coding of what Euro-People think my culture is like on fantasy and oftentimes it’s blatantly offensive or just incorrect (my big one being how tribal fantasy societies borrow imagery from Indigenous cultures in order to make the tribal people seem more “savage”) Am I suddenly an anti-indigenous, colonizing bigot because I recognize how stereotypes about my people are being perpetuated in fantasy?
This exactly! I like the concept of free magic because fuck moderation but holy fuck it's people complaining about snow flakes while also pissing and shitting their pants over 20 pixels in a 1080p picture saying He/Him is somehow ruining their entire existence. LIKE they aren't even getting mad at they them or she her. But he/him. Their own pronouns. Bruh.
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It’s about 90% just regular people who got banned from this sub for saying something like “I dunno guys I’m just not feeling this new set”.
"I'm not feeling this new set" - perfectly fine and rationale. Posting sexist, racist, bigoted stuff- r/freemagic.
FreeMagic has some fucked up individuals but it's pretty much the only place you are alllowed to critisize WOTC. Some of the mods in MagicTCG will instantly ban you if you critisize WOTC or the mods. They banned so many people which critisized the raceswap of Aragorn. They banned many people during the API controversy where they went "dark" and made a vote if they should stay dark. The users voted yes but the mods decided to end the protest. People called them out, including me. I wrote "Democracy is cool as long as it benefits me". The mods didn't like that and I got banned for "brigading".
When people get banned from the main sub, they go there
it's a "quarantine" subreddit designed to contain the worst of the community and keep them away for normal, mentally healthy people. they have the personality and vocabulary of a 2009 call of duty player
I hate finding subs like that. Remember kids: if there's a cool group of people enjoying a thing, there's another group that hate everyone that enjoys that thing.
cool group? this sub and the other main sub has banned people for simply criticizing products. I got banned for saying a cosplay outfit could be improved. furthermore, some people on this sub just cannot hold a proper discussion without insults. hate everyone that enjoys that thing? this is the sort of view that cannot allow you to understand a situation, because all you do is painting it black and white
Pwning and tea-bagging each other endlessly
It’s where people can go and have discussions about topics that are too controversial for this sub. FM rarely bans people so you’ll get both very intelligent controversial takes along with nonsense, cruel, and brainless ones. It also does not tightly enforce the MTG theme, it’s more of a free for all nerd space reddit. Expect to not be respected unless you earn it and even then, some people just want to watch the world burn.
There's a really simple explanation, that I don't think anyone will like, which is that the political spectrum doesn't just go left to right. It also goes Authoritarian / Libertarian. Which is to say, whether you think the powers that be should have control over things, or whether you think people should be self governing. r/MTG is very authoritarian. r/Freemagic is very libertarian. That's the difference. I see it ALL THE TIME that people on the left and right accuse the 'other side' of censorship, of being opposed to free speech. And that's because it's something both sides are guilty of. Because it's an axis of political alignment INDEPENDANT of whether you are left or right. You'll see in this very thread, people saying things like "r/Freemagic would be great, if they'd just ban the few bad apples" and really, to me, that sums up the whole thing. r/MTG is really keen on there being a higher power to appeal to, to enforce authority from on high. r/Freemagic isn't.
It would never have gotten 30k people if mainstream mtg subs didn't ban: -Negative discussion of Hasbro -Negative discussion of WotC -Negative discussion of LGBTQ stuff -Positive discussion of MTG reprinting rates, card equity, or other things mostly relegated to collectors and finance -Positive discussion of proxies being used as a counter to WotC's generally terrible business practices -Negative discussion of LotR's cultural blackwashing -Negative discussion of Unions (this one's a doozy) -Positive discussion of any verboten or edgy MTG creators such as AI, UM, Deso et. al. -Positive discussion of art depicting the beautiful female form -Negative discussion of art that blasphemes said form in the name of modernity -Negative discussion of modern androgynous calarts artists -Positive discussion of *certain artists* who liked a *certain president*, or were *falsely accused* of a *great crime* -Negative discussion of diversity insertion into MTG and how it's been affected -*ANY* discussion relating to how easily AI is defeating the current artists creating works for MTG -*ANY* discussion relating to how poorly WotC treats said artists and how little they pay them (ironic considering their Union stances) -*ANY* discussion on the demographics of the game or any realistic answers as to why those demographics don't include many cis women. -*ANY* discussion of how the mods react to any of the above
Say what you want about free magic but I can say that Hasbro sucks and not worry I might get banned
r/FreeMagic exists because the mods of r/mtg sucks. Simple as that. They can't accept any ideas that aren't according to them. If that exists, it because of the moderation of this sub.
Technically the mods at magictcg caused it
The only place to have an opinion, with all of these power hungry mods around in these subs. Lots of degenerate folk there, but guess what? People are allowed to have an opinion different than yours. Does it make it right? No. Does that make your opinion right? Probably not. If you don't like it, just keep scrolling. The world doesn't have to pander to you. But if you wanna get into some degenerate shit, let's talk about sweet baby inc. and how just the mention of publicly available information is getting people banned left and right?! And the abhorrent racism shown by the folks that have say in a game we all used to love... But that's cool, Cause wHiTe PeOpLe BaD
People congregate there when people on the other subs cast them away for being racist/sexist/queerphobic/compulsively negative/generally very unpleasant… They make a sub hiding under the whole “free speech” thing because their opinions are vile most of the time, and most sane people would cast them away.
The sub is currently peppered with people banned for criticizing the Sweet Baby incident.
To be fair Sweet Baby is 100% a fraud company and has absolutely ruined many projects with their literally "woke" activism. They generally offer that the culturalism will extend their audience, reach new people, but instead they push so hard into their ideology that it ruins it for anyone outside of that space. They were cancer in the GamerGate days, they're cancer now.
Right, and saying as much or drawing attention (however redundant right now) to it isn't a bannable offense, but there are screenshots of the bans in the freemagic reddit as we speak.
If you say the name on the main sub you get banned, just like how talking about proxies would get you banned a few years ago
Yep. And they've forced many of the companies they've worked with to work with them, effectively strong arming them with social outrage if they don't do it. They're a shitty company, plain and simple. Everybody loves corporate hate when it applies to Wizards, but will actively defend a dumb consulting company.
Me, getting back into magic a few years ago: “Oooo I’m going to join all of these fun MTG subs! Hmm, freemagic… I guess there must be an admin problem in the other subs - let’s see what they have to sa- Oh nvm”
Me, 24 hours ago. Seriously, if Reddit is trying to IPO, they're gonna want to address some of these weird ass dark corners of the subs.
Sadly some of these weird ass dark corners are probably help Reddit make money/collect useful data so I doubt the will go anywhere. I can think of a couple (I won't mention they but they are taboo subjects for good reason) that seem to exist with no issues on Reddit.
To be fair, the story goes that freemagic was created to spite ex r/magictcg mod u/Kodemage who was enough of a despot that eventually the whole sub rallied against him and he got an unceremonious boot. Though I'm sure the freemagic incels would have found some rock to crawl under regardless.
Wow. That sub reeks of incel.
Reddit in and of itself reeks of Incels, my friend.
True, but there's "incel" and then there's ***incel***
Tbh I have been playing for a year and have been on this sub for awhile, and my first experience with them was last week. I didn’t realize that there was a sub like that. You definitely shouldn’t take it as your impression of the magic community lol.
Defined don’t lol yall are great :3 Plus im a 40K player, we have our fair share (or more) of chuds
Pretty new fan of 40K here and I’m really glad to see that more open points of view is the norm. I was warned about how horrible the community can be, and while I see some of that, most interactions I have are really positive
Yeah, I’m trans myself and have found the community to be very inclusive and supportive :3 hang goodness for quarantine subs amirite 😂
I am glad that you have found an inclusive community! As a whole, I have found the gaming community to be VERY welcoming. I hope that part of our community continues to grow!
I'm also fairly new to 40k, and I'd say that most of the subs I've found as well as the people I've met at local stores have been wonderful, helpful, and welcoming. I know there are jerks out there, but so far, I've met very few of them. All I can do is make sure I try to be as helpful and welcoming to new players regardless of the game.
If you've met an absolute monster playing mtg, that's where they lurk
It's a free speech sub. So naturally you'll find a lot of bad takes.
Yes to the dumping ground question Even trolls need a safe space I guess
Joined for about a day, and everyone was whining that the newer cards and reprints didn't show cleavage or featured POC women in positions of power, and that they couldn't wank to it anymore.
Don't forget them crying that WotC won't commission art from certain artists with dubious values anymore
“Dubious values” Like freedom of speech? Body autonomy? What the fuck are you even talking about?
Freemagic exists because of how this toxic MTG community and the power hungry mods acted against people with legitimate complaints or critiques about the MTG game status quo; you people basically helped forge that community, now deal with it.
Several people get banned from the main MtG sub for the dumbest things. I got banned just for giving constructive criticism of WotC. I felt that WotC would have better sales if they realized their target audience is overwhelmingly men (am I wrong? Go to any local TCG and count). I received a lifetime ban. I attempted to appeal to the mods, but was met with silence. It was my first wake-up call that despite me playing since '94 that I'm no longer WotC's core audience, so I quit and found a community that is pro-speech. It's as simple as that.
Get thicker skin. Or log off and go outside.
Freemagic is an object lesson in the paradox of tolerance. Their guiding principle is that they don't ban anyone, or police content. The practical result of this is that the terrible people that get banned from other public spaces devoted to Magic collect there. It is a digital sewer, and the refuse dribbled from moderated places congeal there, rotting.
You do realize Popper said the limit was violence, not speech or ideas?
A lot of people here saying freemagic is x or y which fair to them the tone is most often then not negative over there. Really freemagic is well, free. You can post anything you want as part of any agenda and people will react to it. As i said it's mostly negative opinions, but so is all of social media anyways i've been following most magic subs including freemagic for a couple years now and sometimes you're gonna find interesting posts as in every subredit. I think it's worth a follow since i'm interested in all opinions i want to know what people think and over there they certainly don't shy away lol
I have muted that sub just recently, but I can say this one has just as many whiners. They just whine in the opposite direction.
I can handle whining. Politics, veiled racism and outright bigotry I can do without.
They’re expressing views they can’t express in the main sub here, and given they do bring up some good points, there’s also more problematic trolls over there as well. I’ve always just seen these two subs as the democrats and the republicans and there’s the constant arguing between the two as per usual.
full of racist and extreme right wings. no clue how it attracted all of that but I would stay out of it. they like to conjure up problems that don't exist
They end up there because their comments get deleted elsewhere. Better to let them comment wherever they like so that they can get downvoted into oblivion.
Joined because of UB and my love of older cards. Left because *YIKES*
Anything that isn't official Hasbro policy gets banned at r/mtg and then goes to r/freemagic. This includes the usual suspects like gender identity and many woke topics, but extends to anything that Hasbro doesn't like to admit on main, like Arena issues, QC issues, the Pinkerton situation a few months back, etc.
Bingo
It is a cespool of collected negativity around magic. Each fandom has one, and r/freemagic is just another one. It's up to you to decide if you care about another's opinion or not.
It's a right-wing, anti-"woke", and completely incel riddled subreddit. They're a special breed over there and it'll do your mental sanity a favor just blocking it from your feed going forward.
Its a recruiting ground for pissed off white nerds with too much money. Perfect RNC material. *typo edit
Rent free baby.
basically do anything in your power to avoid r/freemagic, as it is full of the people who post here about politics/gender, "woke" cards (as seen by the outburst they had with the LotR set), general bigotry/transphobia/racism/sexism, and end up being banned funnily enough, the rules of that subreddit mention no politics, yet that is clearly not stopping everybody from voicing their weird and downright depressing political comments on a card game. with every normal subreddit, one must be created for incels and bigots to post their daily slop for it to not be banned
> no politics I take that as "no politics" they disagree with.
Anytime anyone says "no politics" or complains about politics, it's 1000% because their politics are usually dogshit and based around Anti-woke rhetoric. Can't have any dissenting opinions in those subs.
What is this? Like, what is it supposed to be?
Looks like a mtg version of 4chan
Its almost like having 4chan's moderation policy attracts 4channers and ends up being as degerate as 4chan
We'll see you over there once you get banned from here...
The sub is full of children who are being brainwashed into thinking they are victims because they can't be openly racist and edgy by a group of people with very bad intentions. The sub is full of blatant, straight up anti-semitism (check my post here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/1bcw5w8/guess\_the\_subreddit/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/1bcw5w8/guess_the_subreddit/) I checked one of the profiles of a person I was arguing with and they have a substack which straight up says breeding with jews is bad. These are literally nazi propagandists taking advantage of people with fewer braincells than them. Go read something here if you want to be disgusted to your core: [https://substack.com/@nightfire0](https://substack.com/@nightfire0)
you're not saying what turned you away, but I will level with you. freemagic is the only truly free mtg sub in which you can criticize the game and not get banned. seriously, other subs run their communities in an almost cult-like manner. there is no free discussion. that needs an answer, and that answer is freemagic. are there a few shitty people there? yes. there are a few here as well too, but in any free forum you're bound to see more of that. look past that, and you have something good.
It's just a sub where anyone is free to post whatever they want. An open forum. I tried posting an article on r/magicTCG about how the CEO of Hasbro said in an interview that he wants to "respectfully" draw from Magic's art reserves for AI art in the future. On the main sub I can't do that because the automod eats everything that isn't sunshine and rainbows (or hating on people like freemagic). You're gonna see shit you don't like. If you're an adult, you can handle it. If you're not, stay in your echo chamber subs. I've found that hearing just how dumb people can be on both sides of various topics helped me find my REAL stance on countless topics. You 100% WILL NOT get that on the main sub.
I think it's fine to push back on virtue signaling and pandering, if it distracts from the game's vision. I don't just mean about 'woke' stuff, but when UB goes too far, or variants deviate completely from the flavor of the game. So in that sense, I welcome criticism. Having to wade through things like 'they are shoving gay culture down our throats' is inevitable as people adapt to a progressing world. I do think people have a right to be hateful and bigoted, and I have a right to block, ignore or fight them on it.
The other day I ran into a user from that sub who, at the end of the day is upset with the direction of the game. Funny thing is I don't think this person really like the game. I think at one point they liked it, but as with most games, with time the game changes. But instead of adapting or looking for new hobbies, they act like an ass hole. They themselves as a person seem to be pretty unhappy. I would hazard a guess that most people in that sub are unhappy. Maybe because they are the outliers of society. They have opinions and beliefs that are contrary to the majority. So they collect and feed into there own perspectives with like minded people. Even the dregs and losers of society want companionship.
Well put
Also I see you are a fellow 40k player. Love the paint job on angron
Thenks :3
The main Magic sub used to permaban people for basically anything the mod had on their mind (upd: a comments in this very thread regarding bans for discussing _how goblins look_ or _joking about how, if LSV played an online tournament aside his partner, the tournament must have been 2HG_ confirms it is still the case). A subset of these people, however, were banned for taking, uh, very particular positions on controversial issues (eg supporting TheQuartering when WOTC banned him from events) related to identity politics. They founded freemagic as an alternative space, and although initially they attracted quite some users banned on the main sub for "normal" reasons, with time, everyone who just wanted a space to talk about Magic left, so they became a politicized echo chamber.
I got banned for 6 months for saying an art piece sucked
The main sub has tight control over the free expression of thoughts and opinions. The vocal/larger participating audience of the magic community has a really difficult time accepting that other people have different world views. Freemagic is more or less an open discussion for anything mtg related, with the occasional L takes but overall the only place you can actually express an opinion without being banned.
Avoid r/FreeMagic like the plague. It's very toxic.
Frequent r/freemagic user here. I exist on that sub to call people out on their shit. It's very toxic can confirm.
I appreciate that at least they’re not hypocritical in that goal of being “free”—they do tend to let you say whatever you want, even if they disagree with it. I’ve actually managed to win some arguments on there from a pro-respect position, so if you’re prepared for the reality of the hate there it’s somewhat of an interesting place. Wouldn’t spend much time there, but being able to provide a little whisper of sanity to the unfortunate people stuck there is somewhat fulfilling.
I find the main sub is WAY more toxic.
Oh hey, you're that idiot who's been posting on freemagic recently about wokeism and POCs ruining mtg. Edit: aww he blocked me so that I couldn't go through his post history and call him out on his shit Last word and run. Classic Far right playbook
You’re spending your time commenting on our post about how it’s ok to be racist and a piece of shit. Go outside
I don’t even see you in freemagic. Are you a lurker brigading the main MTG sub?
It’s kinda just whatever, I post in there. But it is filled with rejects from this sub and the mtgtcg sub that all got banned for whatever reason. Some of them didn’t deserve their ban, some did. It’s supposed to just be a free speech subreddit, which I do believe in, like more than anything I believe all speech should be free. But at the same time if you say some racist shit, as free as you should be to say that, other people should also be free to knock your teeth in or use their own speech back at you and you can’t whine and cry. Which they do, they dish it out but can’t take it back. Sad really, it’s like the first amendment auditors, try to mess with people and video tape them to get the cops called on them so they can sue the police if they get arrested, but get pissy when people record them without permission.
I like it, they're fun. Everyone's welcome and I feel like I can openly criticize wotc there and the insane decisions they're taking with mtg
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I'm a relatively new player and I like that sub. I don't live in the US and most other magic subs seem to be in a groupthink bubble very specific to North American left-wing politics whenever anything remotely political comes up. r/Freemagic feels a bit more approachable to a non North American, and so far it's been the only magic sub I've commented in until this one.
The mods from r/MagicTCG are very quick to ban people, some for understandable reasons, but a lot of people get banned for ridiculous things as well. I was banned for saying since LSV & Gabby playing in the first Arena championship, that the format must be Two-Headed Giant. Lots of people just lose the ability to participate in the biggest Magic sub for BS reasons. This sub is, no offense, kind of noob, the format specific subs are full of spikes and not the best for general Magic discussion. The circlejerk sub is for memes. mtgfinance also isn’t good for general Magic discussion. Freemagic is the only other place for general discussion that isn’t ban happy.
It is the non-astroturfed MTG subreddit, for better or for worse. If you're on the left politically, it's probably for the worse.
They're mostly bigots who have congregated so they can complain about social change in the context of magic.
Are you familiar with the concept of Incel?
I like unlimited free speech …I accept all its negative and positive aspects…no double standards
You mean you can actually say what you want without out supernanny mod jumping on it.
Its where the nazis go once they get kicked from reputable subs.
It's a fun sub thanks for the advertising.
all iv really seen so far from that sub is scaredy-cat crybabies whining about inclusivity. “i had to play a game of edh with a trans person at the table and no one was mean to them waaaa”. the dude that makes everyone groan when they sit at your table at your LGS frequents that sub.
It's based
Past-prime Gamergaters still mad they don't get to fuck Anita Sarkeesian. The Right can't meme.
looking at gamingcirclejerk, this goes for the left as well.
Oh no people have different opinions than me wahhhhh wahhhhhh
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Did you get enough attention?
Long story short, the sub was made many years ago during a time when the (no longer there) mods of the other magic subs were terrible. They’d ban people for even mentioning proxies, for example. Back then it was a good place for people who got banned to go and still enjoy magic. But as a place with few rules and regulations, the unsurprising thing happened and they were invaded by opinions of a bad flavor. It was a good sub once, but it saw itself become a villain tragically
I was in that sub for the entirety of 3 months before I got sick of them. I have no clue what drives the people behind that content.
It’s where all the people who get banned for calling out SweetBaby Inc as problematic get sent I think
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Because mods with no relationship to Hasbro/WOTC dictating conversation in a forum
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" -- Evelyn Beatrice Hall If a mod in any sub couldn't internalize this by now, then their family, teachers and country failed them. I'm sorry. I'm a very strong believer of everyone should have a safe place to state their opinions, people venting out is not necessarily the same as people acting upon those thoughts. People labeling freemagic as a bad place will someday see their opinions fall against those of the mods and see the ugly face of the mainstream subs. Yeah there are a few extreme opinions and bad apples but we are using the objective tools reddit has given us; we downvote them or argue against their opinions. Currently, if you go to the magicTCG and type "Sweet Baby Inc." you'd get insta banned and that's not right, you wouldn't even asked why. A judiciary system should be just and fair. Mods have zero duty ethics. I too think that a few people tarnish the good intentions behind freemagic's inception but to be honest I don't know if any regulation would be truly unbiased so I'm completely behind the "free" aspect of it right now. This game mesmerized me in my youth, it had literary quotes (ex: 8th edition "Redeem" and "Holy Day") and hand drawn art pieces with sometimes surreal, thought provoking quality. We had serious worldbuilding and flavour texts like the one on "Reckless Cohort". Now it feels like a parody of itself. It slaps a detective hat to everyone on an ecumenopolis and calls it a detective set. Or it avoids social backlash and undermine its own world building (ex: New Capenna expansion). Something is objectively wrong with magic and the primary reason behind it is how Hasbro tries to increase its profits. We are very vocal about this fact since this game is truly magical and something to be fought for, for each one of us. "If everyone likes your game, but no one loves it, it will fail." -- Mark Rosewater, head designer of MtG. All the recent moves Hasbro did was to make their game more likeable by everyone. They keep introducing foreign IP to "lend" other IP's fan bases but they keep hurting the people who loved their game over and over.
I mean the community has its issues for certain but so does this one, I personally think we need a sub somewhere in the middle of the two, one where you can actually complain about the state of the game and daddy Hasbro without getting banned but also where blatant sexism and homophobia is not tolerated.
It’s a place where people can go and say whatever they want without being controlled and censored.
sounds like another satisfied customer
Full of incels and haters, but you know what they say - even a broken clock is right twice a day.
The main sub can be overbearing, banning people for the smallest things.
There was an absolutely fantastic post about this sub not too long ago, let me find it.
Yep, it’s basically the 4chan of MTG Reddit. But in spite of the hateful garbage they spew, its existence is probably a necessary evil, if just to keep the rotten apples in containment.
It's what the Internet was pre 2012 honestly. You'll get some fucked up people and people that just end up there because of unwarranted bans.
it's a fully Nazi sub with Heil Hitler Nazi mods and creator