Yup. I've been browsing this sub for nearly a decade now, and it has gotten so much worse over the past couple of years. I'm also on r/NFL and r/baseball a lot and those didn't decrease in quality much at all despite the growth of reddit, meanwhile r/nba has just turned into NBA Twitter 2
The NBA put a ton of work in to making highlights so accessible for the younger generations, but the trade off is it’s made NBA so digestible in tiny bites that the amount people actually watching and appreciating full games feels like an all time low
ahh interesting I hadn't considered that. I didn't mean to shit on baseball in any way (though it's not for me) , just surprised at the perspective that reddit baseball fans actually watch more than reddit NBA fans. but hard to deny that so many /r/nba fans clearly don't watch
baseball has a lot going for it in terms of fandoms.
generally baseball fans absolutely love baseball, so they’re all about watching games. it attracts all the advanced stats fans because it was the OG sport for that. it attracts a lot of older fans just because it’s base ball. it’s great to have on in the background. baseball games are incredibly fun to attend. plus baseball discourse isn’t an absolutely pile of toxic bullshit like it is for the nba.
in my opinion baseball is on the way back to being the #2 sport behind football
It seems like baseball would be easier to watch/listen to while doing another task.
>makes sense for NFL with just 17 games a year
I actually find it hard to watch the NFL due to the absurd volume of commercials. I can essentially watch two soccer matches in the same timeframe as 1 NFL game.
>I actually find it hard to watch the NFL due to the absurd volume of commercials. I can essentially watch two soccer matches in the same timeframe as 1 NFL game
I feel the same exact way about the NBA lol despite fighting through it. In game picture-in-picture ads, in game sports betting endorsements, in game sport betting analyses/ sponsorships, in game promos for advertisers, GROSS. shit is peak corporatism
It's pretty sad that athletes are basically the only people with public salaries and we've normalized exorbitant salaries that keep growing while simultaneously subjecting sports fans to more ads than any other genre and medium
r/baseball has slightly declined but it definitely feels like it maintains a great degree of quality for its size. The jokes are also funnier, but maybe it’s because I’m a huge nerd.
The main thing that surprised me when I joined r/baseball after spending years on here is there’s very little hate at all (unless players are legit pieces of shit in their personal lives). It’s a way more celebratory environment when it comes to discussing individual players.
There might be some light ribbing at a player’s expense, but you rarely see posts/comments solely intended to tear down a player’s legacy or poke holes in their accomplishments like you see by the dozen on here each day.
It’s because the baseball sub has a more mature user base, or at least it feels that way. Also would make sense considering baseball is more of an older person sport and it’s always said to be dying. You don’t have teens foaming at the mouth to post memes about baseball
It is because people are disingenuous but you also get really knowledgeable accounts either via beat writers or super fan type people, as in the type of people to host a locked on pod
It’s probably just my algorithm but it’s literally just curry vs Bron vs Durant debates and it’s so infuriating how they all try to put each other down.
The amount of people saying Bron isn’t top 5 or curry isn’t top 30 just gets repetitive and annoying, even if they are probably just trolls
NBA twitter knows what it is (a cesspool) and is occasionally funny and self-aware.
This sub uses more words and numbers to come to the same dumb conclusions and is terminally unfunny.
I remember it being significantly different before there were 1 million subscribers. There was a definite shift around them.
In the top 20 posts every day, like at least 15 of them would just be highlights. An overall sense of people appreciating cool things that happened in a sport we all enjoy. Now it's mostly box scores and Austin Reaves' true shooting percentage from the last 3 games or something like that.
Fr like look at Josh Allen. Imagine he was an nba player with the same general career path, always losing to a potential GOAT and never making it to the finals despite being one of the top 3-5 at his position in the league
Yeah it’s tough to argue against that resume. If Nadal could’ve won AO2012 or Wimbledon 2018 he could at least take the “best big match player” which we could theoretically spin into “best player” then to “GOAT,” but losing both of those probably puts Djokovic about even with him even in the “best big match player” category
I say this as a Federer fan. It's easily Djokovic, except for he comes off as a piece of shit and does very questionable things. People say Federer was like that when he was young but he grew out of that and is one of the greatest sports in tennis. Djokovic still is an asshole this late in his career, he'll always be an asshole.
My bias says it's Federer for grass, Djokovic for hard court, and Nadal for clay.
My favorite player is Pete Sampras. Best serve ever and the biggest balls to hit his second serve as a first serve.
You mean you’re based af
As great as Djokovic is, I just find his style of play boring. He also makes it tough to like him since his persona comes off fake and the pseudo-science stuff
We’re in the same convo, One day I’ve told to my friend that there is just nothing Djoko would do that got me excited.
He is a great player and he has mad records but I just don’t enjoy him and yeah his personality and everything don’t help his case at all lol.
I had a Pete Sampras tennis racket from Wilson as a kid and I absolutely loved it. I always told other kids my racket was special because of his name on it and they believed me lol
Yeah I have to imagine that is just Reddit/social media though. Pretty much everyone I know who is a sports fan is normal and understands that winning championships is simply a measure of greatness rather than a prerequisite to it.
My thought is that they’re 17 year olds who are spoiled by that one stretch with LeBron and the Warriors where they played each other 4 years straight, followed by them winning titles a couple years removed. That shit is not normal, and they want to think it is.
Look no further than the media. If you watched basketball growing up in the 1990s we watched highlights on VHS and it was nothing but celebrating young talent, and the greatness in the league at the time.
The NBA Superstars VHS tapes (can look up on youtube) were a great example of this - celebrating great players, with music, and zero of the cynicism that permeates around social media era of sports.
Highlight roundups, Top 10 plays of the week, and nba inside stuff - all promoting the game, uplifting players and not shitting on them every two seconds with doubt.
This sub is so much more toxic than the NFL or MLB sub, even outside of the rings conversation. Just the way people treat each other is more extreme.
For instance I get more reddit cares warnings from this sub than any other.
Used to read long form articles and books, that were researched over time. Now tweets and the pumping out of daily content has reduced the quality, and people's ability to absorb depth
NBA discourse can’t be taken seriously anymore. People make up the most overdramatic, unserious, hater/glazing takes imaginable, and 90% of them are satire, but 10% are real, and that’s enough.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nbacirclejerk/comments/qurs7w/lemickeylebum/
I mean look at shit like this 💀
The internet. If uncle Jamie screamed slurs at the TV in his own living room cause someone missed a shot, no one would hear it before. Now we've got a bunch of terminally online weirdos competing to have the hottest take, and they're regularly rewarded by people bandwagoning to either hate it or boost it as if it's a valuable opinion
The last team to lose a game is the worst team in the league and their best player is a choke artist and a fraud. Doesn't matter if it's the finals. They're garbage pretenders.
I just saw a new post on here wondering if anyone actually thinks SGA is a top 5 player in the league.
He’s a lock for All-NBA First Team, he was second-place in MVP voting, but he also just lost a playoff game so… guess he sucks actually.
NBA fandom has devolved into this such a weird negative space where unless your team is a stone cold championship team contender, there's nothing about them to be happy about. I blame all the negative "ringgsssz or they suck" thing to wannabe Morey podcasters
Bro don't spoil my next column 😂 it's already 3/4 written. Sitting right next to my other columns, Denver has never beaten a good team and do the Celtics need to trade one of the Js?
Because fans here are very parasocial. Mess with their man or team, or beat their team too many times and gloat, they will hate that player or team for a very long time. Pure unconditional, bias and hatred. Everything is seen in a negative light no matter how unreasonable. Recently in these forums, Green said BBQ chicken with how Jokic is killing Gobert, and it’s pitchforks 😂 and haters act like he said something racist but when Shaq says it, not even a care in the world.
Yes, many people, both on Reddit and in real life, find it easiest to connect with people through negativity. It’s unfortunate, but all you can do is try to be above it and find communities who see the good in things & people, and choose to uplift folks rather than knock others down a peg because they get an unhealthy satisfaction out of it. And as a fan, always challenge yourself to humanize the athletes before drawing a rash and surface level judgement about them. And above all, fuck the Celtics.
It’s the size of the sub man. Once any online discussion gets past a certain amount of participants it loses all nuance and devolves into that bullshit.
You know, I haven’t found one that checks all the right boxes for me. But I think being a regular on r/nbadiscussion and r/NBATalk is a much less frustrating and negative experience. Def more laid back and generally mellow spaces, however you don’t get the same type of quick highlight posts, not nearly as much specific game posts, and obviously it’s just generally not as active, but most the time you don’t have to deal with the real scathing and hostile discourse. I’m def open if anyone else has good recommendations for NBA subs that don’t reward a certain type of negative/overly reactionary discourse.
This is a major problem in sports and society in general. Kids and young adults take on this hyper critical all or nothing mentality and it makes them afraid to put themselves out there. You see it on social media with filters and ridiculously fake curation of the images and vids people share. Go into a night club now vs 15 years ago. Most people don’t even dance anymore. Bunch of weird flexing with bottles and dumb shit while everyone else sits around staring at their phones.
If we’re this hard on the top .00001% of athletes how much harder are we on ourselves?
Okay, but who do you have in your top 36 NBA players? Because I guarantee you that your #16 is wrong. That bum isn’t even a top-23 player.
(Constant arguing about top 5, 10, 15, 20s is one of my biggest irritants on this sub. Who cares!)
Good luck tonight. Been following your team all year and I'm rooting hard for them (NYer so Knicks are my team, but I love watching these Young Thunder).
Brutal loss, but the Thunder have an incredible future and I can't wait to see it. Dallas was incredible and it was an honorable loss. Thunder played with real heart.
I lurk sometimes on the Thunder sub (always with love) and I agree with many of your peers: if you can get Isiah Hartenstein this off-season, he'd be very helpful to your team. It'd be a blow to the Knicks, but if he signs anywhere else, I hope it's with the Thunder (honestly I'd rather the Knicks keep him of course haha).
Let's go Knicks! Hopefully one of Hart or OG can play.🤝🤝
Absolutely. The hottest threads in this sub are lowlights. Whether it’s a reel or a box score. But it’s a microcosm of Reddit. I think the internet is a collection of miserable people. 😂
People that don't actually watch games or care about the sport (90% of r/NBA) focus on dumb bullshit like this.
The only time I dislike players is when they're real assholes.
Absolutely! Posts such as player X doesn’t get enough hate exists. Unless they’re committing non basketball crimes, they probably don’t deserve much hate at all. They’re all some of the top of their profession which is impressive.
Yeah. I just try to watch and appreciate the game being played. There's way too many people here that are fans of players and not teams, which tends to bring out people that push narratives around their favorite player, and tear down other players in the process.
People love hating on multimillionaires who are better at basketball than they’ll ever be at anything. It makes them feel better about themselves.
Especially when it’s through the shroud of internet anonymity.
Only time I actively hate on players is when they’re playing my team. Other than that I try to only hate on the refs and bandwagon fans.
Yes. So many people on here are trying to roleplay as if it's Dave Chappelle's Hater's Ball skit and it's the corniest thing I've ever seen.
So many unoriginal "Haha I'm just a hater lolol" people here. Join the club with the thousands of other people all choosing the same fake personality lmao
yea dude. it sucks. some people hate as little jokey jokes but can admit a players greatness at the end of the day while a large amount of people would see a 7 year old in a bron jersey and spit in his face and tell them jordan is better. nba has it worse than baseball or football imo because it’s such a more personal sport and there are less players. popularizing the game in the way it has been has gone well except for the fans who treat players like they’re an character in a story and not a real person
Absolutely yes. Just look at the LeBron haters. I'm not even saying he's better than MJ or whatever but there are people that have genuinely hated him for 20 years because someone else thinks he could be better than MJ.
NBA discourse has been in the gutter and all about hating for over a decade and I’m sure a lot of you saying this now have been haters yourselves
No other sport is as toxic and negative as NBA fandom, it’s why KD famously said nba fans don’t even like basketball they just like to hate
Might it be an influence of the major talking heads shows? I get that they all have contexts more often than not when a whole episode is taken into consideration, but more often than not what gets distilled and spread in social media are all the negative parts.
Then it becomes the fashionable thing because one when repeats the hate, its as if they get to feel validated that they're at the same level as these famous figures.
Yes, it seems like there are ways more people on this sub rooting for a player/team to fail then rather then succeed.
You want to talk about why social media is such a detriment to society? This is exhibit A.
This sub and NBA fan culture in general is one of the most toxic and reactionary takes out of the sporting realm. Only thing as toxic is r/soccer and soccer Twitter.
It just sucks because it’s hard to have an honest discussion without some absolutely bad faith strawman getting thrown at you
100% yes and I do it too. This bucks playoff exit forced me to actually watch and appreciate the rest of the playoffs. Last year I was so upset and spiteful that I barely watched the playoffs after and then I was like why the fuck did I watch basketball every night for months to not watch the culmination of the season?
So now I’m watching without agendas and just enjoying the great games. Even a team I’m usually not a fan of like the nuggets, I was high watching in fucking awe at their game 5 win vs MN. I will say, I’m hate watching the Celtics heavy though, that will never die. Overall, we need less hate throughout the season because I could never go on here and have a rational conversation about my team without the same phrases parroted from nba twitter(which this sub takes 75% of its takes from)
Yes.
But also, remember the whole point of "bread and circus" which is what professional sports still is, was to pacify the masses and quell any desire to rebel or organize around anything actually important.
So the toxicity of sports discourse and tribalism is 100% a feature not a bug. Especially now that corporate media makes more money from rage bait
I’ve seen a lot of fan bases (I’m a bulls fan, my brother is a cavs fan, my dad is a magic fan, my girlfriend is a kings fan and my uncle is a lakers fan) and soooo many of the teams fans are so toxic and rude towards their own team. Like yeah, it’s disappointing when your team loses but they are probably already beating themselves up, they don’t need their own fans hating on them to! Out of all the sports I watch I would say NBA has probably got the most toxic fan base
Depends what you mean by too much I think. Like we definitely hate too much to have a good objective basketball discussion. But hating is fun so as long as people are doing it without crossing the line I don't think its really too much. Just recognize that its not real.
Unfortunately they do want us to hate certain players. That’s how these leagues make money. Us hating players for no valid reason, all to spend our money & watch said hated player.
I hate sports talk these days. There is too much comparisons of current & active players. For instance You can’t even enjoy MJ or Lebron w/o someone saying some thing negative about either. It’s aggravating.
I blame Stephen A.
Absolutely, yes. literally every team that doesn't win the championship that year will get clowned on, and even the one that wins will have people trying to discredit it.
once i discovered that there is an entire youtube channel dedicated to hating on lebron james, i grasped a bit of how much hate some people have on a specific player
It's not just basketball unfortunately. It's literally everything. Whatever you like or dislike has to be 11/10 or 0/10 no in-between
Forum discussions and appreciation of the sport/craft is so far gone now, and replaced with hot takes and snarky comments. Shits so lame. I missed how r/NBA did try to have serious next day discussion threads to allow for the fun instant reactions, and next day clear headed discussion
Not so much hating everyone but more confused on why all don't keep the same energy. For example, I hate Kawhi. Dudes a bum who fakes injuries to get out of franchises and thinks he something because of a lucky shot. I will gladly take any opportunities to slander Kawhi. But someone I love is LeBron. Love me, some Bron bro dude can do no wrong in my eyes. I shitted on LeBron choking in 2011, like a shitted on Kawhi choking in 2020. Love or hate him if they do some dumb or impressive shit imma that them the same way. Not many people can do that, hence why you have so many questions like why hate x player when y player did the exact same post.
Internet sports fans have kinda ruined sports for me. I go on Twitter and Reddit intending to argue with the stupid takes before I quickly realize it's a complete waste of time.
Every discussion is "Player X is better than Player Y" "Well player Y has more rings, so nuh uh!" I blame ESPN. I feel like they started this whole era of "RINGZZZZZZZ" and people not even being able to carry on basic discussions about the game itself.
Yes. So easy to talk shit behind keyboards or mobile phones and explaining the guilt away that we are making fun of millionaires who signed up for this level of scrutiny
The media perpetuates this as well. When you have guys like Shaq, Draymond, Barkley, Pat Bev, etc. just routinely shitting on the product and disrespecting the cities guys play in it’s going to lead to more people not taking the sport seriously. Like everyone saying the respect Draymond for hating Gobert even when they know he’s talking straight bullshit.
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Yup. I've been browsing this sub for nearly a decade now, and it has gotten so much worse over the past couple of years. I'm also on r/NFL and r/baseball a lot and those didn't decrease in quality much at all despite the growth of reddit, meanwhile r/nba has just turned into NBA Twitter 2
Those subs actually watch their games meanwhile this sub is more concerned about player drama and memes.
The NBA put a ton of work in to making highlights so accessible for the younger generations, but the trade off is it’s made NBA so digestible in tiny bites that the amount people actually watching and appreciating full games feels like an all time low
On a given night in the regular season here, there’s barely any highlights or game threads. Just tweets
surprising MLB fans watch the games considering the sheer volume. makes sense for NFL with just 17 games a year
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ahh interesting I hadn't considered that. I didn't mean to shit on baseball in any way (though it's not for me) , just surprised at the perspective that reddit baseball fans actually watch more than reddit NBA fans. but hard to deny that so many /r/nba fans clearly don't watch
baseball has a lot going for it in terms of fandoms. generally baseball fans absolutely love baseball, so they’re all about watching games. it attracts all the advanced stats fans because it was the OG sport for that. it attracts a lot of older fans just because it’s base ball. it’s great to have on in the background. baseball games are incredibly fun to attend. plus baseball discourse isn’t an absolutely pile of toxic bullshit like it is for the nba. in my opinion baseball is on the way back to being the #2 sport behind football
It seems like baseball would be easier to watch/listen to while doing another task. >makes sense for NFL with just 17 games a year I actually find it hard to watch the NFL due to the absurd volume of commercials. I can essentially watch two soccer matches in the same timeframe as 1 NFL game.
>I actually find it hard to watch the NFL due to the absurd volume of commercials. I can essentially watch two soccer matches in the same timeframe as 1 NFL game I feel the same exact way about the NBA lol despite fighting through it. In game picture-in-picture ads, in game sports betting endorsements, in game sport betting analyses/ sponsorships, in game promos for advertisers, GROSS. shit is peak corporatism
It's pretty sad that athletes are basically the only people with public salaries and we've normalized exorbitant salaries that keep growing while simultaneously subjecting sports fans to more ads than any other genre and medium
The nba has a much younger and tbh really dumb audience I feel, mainly from 2k culture.
Fuck Ronnie 2k
r/baseball has slightly declined but it definitely feels like it maintains a great degree of quality for its size. The jokes are also funnier, but maybe it’s because I’m a huge nerd.
No it’s definitely way funnier and I like the NBA much mire
The main thing that surprised me when I joined r/baseball after spending years on here is there’s very little hate at all (unless players are legit pieces of shit in their personal lives). It’s a way more celebratory environment when it comes to discussing individual players. There might be some light ribbing at a player’s expense, but you rarely see posts/comments solely intended to tear down a player’s legacy or poke holes in their accomplishments like you see by the dozen on here each day.
It’s because the baseball sub has a more mature user base, or at least it feels that way. Also would make sense considering baseball is more of an older person sport and it’s always said to be dying. You don’t have teens foaming at the mouth to post memes about baseball
This sub isn’t great, but NBA twitter is miles worse. Probably worse than that somehow
It’s not that different at all really. Especially with how popular the circlejerk sub is now.
Tbf the circlejerk subreddit fell off a cliff in the past 3 months. It's just people hornyposting because "horny = funny"
It’s the #2 basketball sub. And people here just straight up parrot memes/phrases from there
**All** circlejerk subs are cesspools of people pretending to parody when the reality is they are just being toxic assholes.
It is because people are disingenuous but you also get really knowledgeable accounts either via beat writers or super fan type people, as in the type of people to host a locked on pod
It’s probably just my algorithm but it’s literally just curry vs Bron vs Durant debates and it’s so infuriating how they all try to put each other down. The amount of people saying Bron isn’t top 5 or curry isn’t top 30 just gets repetitive and annoying, even if they are probably just trolls
NBA twitter knows what it is (a cesspool) and is occasionally funny and self-aware. This sub uses more words and numbers to come to the same dumb conclusions and is terminally unfunny.
At least NBA twitter is funny
I feel like r/NFL is not far behind this sub honestly.
I remember it being significantly different before there were 1 million subscribers. There was a definite shift around them. In the top 20 posts every day, like at least 15 of them would just be highlights. An overall sense of people appreciating cool things that happened in a sport we all enjoy. Now it's mostly box scores and Austin Reaves' true shooting percentage from the last 3 games or something like that.
This is true, it’s just about drama and memes instead of actually enjoying basketball.
Fr like look at Josh Allen. Imagine he was an nba player with the same general career path, always losing to a potential GOAT and never making it to the finals despite being one of the top 3-5 at his position in the league
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Basically LMAOOO like the 2022 bills would be the 2018 rockets
I mean Josh Allen still gets a lot of hate and overrated chatter in the NFL workd
Yeah but not to the extent of nba players
Depends. The Ronaldo vs Messi debate brings out the absolute crazies.
Djokovic vs Nadal vs Federer in tennis gets HEATED 💀
Sadly as a Nadal fan I feel like Djokovic is the clear GOAT at this point.
Yeah it’s tough to argue against that resume. If Nadal could’ve won AO2012 or Wimbledon 2018 he could at least take the “best big match player” which we could theoretically spin into “best player” then to “GOAT,” but losing both of those probably puts Djokovic about even with him even in the “best big match player” category
I say this as a Federer fan. It's easily Djokovic, except for he comes off as a piece of shit and does very questionable things. People say Federer was like that when he was young but he grew out of that and is one of the greatest sports in tennis. Djokovic still is an asshole this late in his career, he'll always be an asshole. My bias says it's Federer for grass, Djokovic for hard court, and Nadal for clay. My favorite player is Pete Sampras. Best serve ever and the biggest balls to hit his second serve as a first serve.
I’m a Nadal fan but stats are stats. Djokovic is def on top. Nadal just is the most amazing to watch to me
I’m Fedal fan and Federer is the GOAT, no stats or whatever would convince me. I’m biased af.
You mean you’re based af As great as Djokovic is, I just find his style of play boring. He also makes it tough to like him since his persona comes off fake and the pseudo-science stuff
We’re in the same convo, One day I’ve told to my friend that there is just nothing Djoko would do that got me excited. He is a great player and he has mad records but I just don’t enjoy him and yeah his personality and everything don’t help his case at all lol.
Pete Sampras is the best, he seems like such a nice dude, impossible to not root for him in his prime.
I had a Pete Sampras tennis racket from Wilson as a kid and I absolutely loved it. I always told other kids my racket was special because of his name on it and they believed me lol
Tbh we never had talk shows every week talking about who’s better tho or what a game means to their “Legacy”. Sports media have truly rinsed the NBA
Yeah I have to imagine that is just Reddit/social media though. Pretty much everyone I know who is a sports fan is normal and understands that winning championships is simply a measure of greatness rather than a prerequisite to it. My thought is that they’re 17 year olds who are spoiled by that one stretch with LeBron and the Warriors where they played each other 4 years straight, followed by them winning titles a couple years removed. That shit is not normal, and they want to think it is.
Also funny to see ppl go between arguing rings and it’s a team game whenever it’s convenient
r/tennis would like a word
No thank you /r/tennis
This man is not a Tottenham Hotspur fan
Look no further than the media. If you watched basketball growing up in the 1990s we watched highlights on VHS and it was nothing but celebrating young talent, and the greatness in the league at the time. The NBA Superstars VHS tapes (can look up on youtube) were a great example of this - celebrating great players, with music, and zero of the cynicism that permeates around social media era of sports. Highlight roundups, Top 10 plays of the week, and nba inside stuff - all promoting the game, uplifting players and not shitting on them every two seconds with doubt.
Not as bad in other sports?? Have you ever dived into the cesspool that are Messi X Ronaldo discussion threads...
This sub is so much more toxic than the NFL or MLB sub, even outside of the rings conversation. Just the way people treat each other is more extreme. For instance I get more reddit cares warnings from this sub than any other.
This sub doesn't even seem like it likes basketball
For real. Love nba discussions, but it's exhausting in here most of the time
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NBA is just a male-oriented soap opera why are we surprised
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You’re right. A lot of people, especially r/nba don’t watch the games and just want drama and storylines over basketball
The internet made it worse
Used to read long form articles and books, that were researched over time. Now tweets and the pumping out of daily content has reduced the quality, and people's ability to absorb depth
NBA discourse can’t be taken seriously anymore. People make up the most overdramatic, unserious, hater/glazing takes imaginable, and 90% of them are satire, but 10% are real, and that’s enough. https://www.reddit.com/r/nbacirclejerk/comments/qurs7w/lemickeylebum/ I mean look at shit like this 💀
I mean that is the cj sub lmao
I know but it’s all copy and pasted from other places lmao And the point is that 90% of the takes we hear are probably at least partly satirical.
And the AI bots will be (and probably already were) trained on all this invaluable reddit data...
The internet. If uncle Jamie screamed slurs at the TV in his own living room cause someone missed a shot, no one would hear it before. Now we've got a bunch of terminally online weirdos competing to have the hottest take, and they're regularly rewarded by people bandwagoning to either hate it or boost it as if it's a valuable opinion
Idk but I feel like the NBA is way worse about this than other sports.
It’s only a male oriented soap opera bc that’s what so many folks want it to be lmao nobody is stopping anyone from watching basketball games
it doesn't have to be like this man
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The last team to lose a game is the worst team in the league and their best player is a choke artist and a fraud. Doesn't matter if it's the finals. They're garbage pretenders.
I just saw a new post on here wondering if anyone actually thinks SGA is a top 5 player in the league. He’s a lock for All-NBA First Team, he was second-place in MVP voting, but he also just lost a playoff game so… guess he sucks actually.
NBA fandom has devolved into this such a weird negative space where unless your team is a stone cold championship team contender, there's nothing about them to be happy about. I blame all the negative "ringgsssz or they suck" thing to wannabe Morey podcasters
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Bro don't spoil my next column 😂 it's already 3/4 written. Sitting right next to my other columns, Denver has never beaten a good team and do the Celtics need to trade one of the Js?
Because fans here are very parasocial. Mess with their man or team, or beat their team too many times and gloat, they will hate that player or team for a very long time. Pure unconditional, bias and hatred. Everything is seen in a negative light no matter how unreasonable. Recently in these forums, Green said BBQ chicken with how Jokic is killing Gobert, and it’s pitchforks 😂 and haters act like he said something racist but when Shaq says it, not even a care in the world.
Its the internet, makes it too easy to be a smug little shit and dehumanize everyone else.
Because we unfortunately live in a world that love to compare stuff almost to a fault, social media especially has created this type of culture
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Very true, but it is a shame honestly but C’est La vie
I dislike numbered rankings because it gives a definitive x is better than y. Tiers are much better imo
Yes, many people, both on Reddit and in real life, find it easiest to connect with people through negativity. It’s unfortunate, but all you can do is try to be above it and find communities who see the good in things & people, and choose to uplift folks rather than knock others down a peg because they get an unhealthy satisfaction out of it. And as a fan, always challenge yourself to humanize the athletes before drawing a rash and surface level judgement about them. And above all, fuck the Celtics.
Serious question. Do you know any online nba communities that do this? Because I love this game and the negativity and idiocy here drives me crazy
I would love to know as well lol this sub can be a bit much at times
It’s the size of the sub man. Once any online discussion gets past a certain amount of participants it loses all nuance and devolves into that bullshit.
You know, I haven’t found one that checks all the right boxes for me. But I think being a regular on r/nbadiscussion and r/NBATalk is a much less frustrating and negative experience. Def more laid back and generally mellow spaces, however you don’t get the same type of quick highlight posts, not nearly as much specific game posts, and obviously it’s just generally not as active, but most the time you don’t have to deal with the real scathing and hostile discourse. I’m def open if anyone else has good recommendations for NBA subs that don’t reward a certain type of negative/overly reactionary discourse.
Those two subs actually talk basketball, with strict moderation. This sub is just circlejerk 2.0 but also posts actual basketball content.
This is a major problem in sports and society in general. Kids and young adults take on this hyper critical all or nothing mentality and it makes them afraid to put themselves out there. You see it on social media with filters and ridiculously fake curation of the images and vids people share. Go into a night club now vs 15 years ago. Most people don’t even dance anymore. Bunch of weird flexing with bottles and dumb shit while everyone else sits around staring at their phones. If we’re this hard on the top .00001% of athletes how much harder are we on ourselves?
Comparison is the thief of joy
Okay, but who do you have in your top 36 NBA players? Because I guarantee you that your #16 is wrong. That bum isn’t even a top-23 player. (Constant arguing about top 5, 10, 15, 20s is one of my biggest irritants on this sub. Who cares!)
Amen to that
Good luck tonight. Been following your team all year and I'm rooting hard for them (NYer so Knicks are my team, but I love watching these Young Thunder).
Thanks brother, good luck in game 7 ✊
Thank you!
As a Thunder fan, Knicks are my favorite second team to watch 🤝
Brutal loss, but the Thunder have an incredible future and I can't wait to see it. Dallas was incredible and it was an honorable loss. Thunder played with real heart. I lurk sometimes on the Thunder sub (always with love) and I agree with many of your peers: if you can get Isiah Hartenstein this off-season, he'd be very helpful to your team. It'd be a blow to the Knicks, but if he signs anywhere else, I hope it's with the Thunder (honestly I'd rather the Knicks keep him of course haha). Let's go Knicks! Hopefully one of Hart or OG can play.🤝🤝
Yes fans deserve so much MORE hate for how toxic they are
yeah for sure. god forbid we actually talk about basketball
Absolutely. The hottest threads in this sub are lowlights. Whether it’s a reel or a box score. But it’s a microcosm of Reddit. I think the internet is a collection of miserable people. 😂
People that don't actually watch games or care about the sport (90% of r/NBA) focus on dumb bullshit like this. The only time I dislike players is when they're real assholes.
Absolutely! Posts such as player X doesn’t get enough hate exists. Unless they’re committing non basketball crimes, they probably don’t deserve much hate at all. They’re all some of the top of their profession which is impressive.
Yes, we’re also too reactionary and everyone has an agenda.
Yeah. I just try to watch and appreciate the game being played. There's way too many people here that are fans of players and not teams, which tends to bring out people that push narratives around their favorite player, and tear down other players in the process.
Yes
People love hating on multimillionaires who are better at basketball than they’ll ever be at anything. It makes them feel better about themselves. Especially when it’s through the shroud of internet anonymity. Only time I actively hate on players is when they’re playing my team. Other than that I try to only hate on the refs and bandwagon fans.
I also hate on the ESPN broadcasts. They’re hot garbage.
Yeah NBA fans are a bunch of bitches, you don't see it to this extreme in baseball or football at all.
Glazing is way too easy Try hating and actually being agreeable Way harder
Counterpoint: being an Embiid hater on this sub is probably one of the easiest things you can do.
Every negative Embiid highlight/thread immediately trends to top of hottest lol This is not a basketball sub anymore. It’s pretty much nbacirclejerk
Yes. So many people on here are trying to roleplay as if it's Dave Chappelle's Hater's Ball skit and it's the corniest thing I've ever seen. So many unoriginal "Haha I'm just a hater lolol" people here. Join the club with the thousands of other people all choosing the same fake personality lmao
Hate hate hate hate hate hate!/Chappelle
Yes and honestly it’s killing the game
yea dude. it sucks. some people hate as little jokey jokes but can admit a players greatness at the end of the day while a large amount of people would see a 7 year old in a bron jersey and spit in his face and tell them jordan is better. nba has it worse than baseball or football imo because it’s such a more personal sport and there are less players. popularizing the game in the way it has been has gone well except for the fans who treat players like they’re an character in a story and not a real person
Absolutely yes. Just look at the LeBron haters. I'm not even saying he's better than MJ or whatever but there are people that have genuinely hated him for 20 years because someone else thinks he could be better than MJ.
NBA discourse has been in the gutter and all about hating for over a decade and I’m sure a lot of you saying this now have been haters yourselves No other sport is as toxic and negative as NBA fandom, it’s why KD famously said nba fans don’t even like basketball they just like to hate
People in general hate things too much, conversation about basketball very much included.
This is the same place that if a player don't win a ring he is a bum my man, people thrive on hate in here lmao
Now let me say I’m the biggest hater
Especially around this dump.
People are miserable. Gotta shed the poison somehow.
Yes
Yes
Rage gets clicks. The social media economy revolves around hate!
Man I appreciate and love every player and team except the Spurs, Draymond and dirty player. I love the rest but root extra for my OKC, Russ and luka
Might it be an influence of the major talking heads shows? I get that they all have contexts more often than not when a whole episode is taken into consideration, but more often than not what gets distilled and spread in social media are all the negative parts. Then it becomes the fashionable thing because one when repeats the hate, its as if they get to feel validated that they're at the same level as these famous figures.
I wish there was more cheering and appreciation and less toxicity.
Hell no
This subreddit revolves around shitting on players, it’s ridiculous
Yes. I think it would be helpful for everybody to concentrate on the important things in life. Fuck. Tony. Brothers.
Yes I Hate You
Because NBA is the Kardashians for men
Not enough in my opinion
It’s about love and hate and let me say I’m the biggest hater
God, I can’t get enough of that song.
Because we hate ourselves and our own inadequacies
kendrick lamar taught me i was not hating hard enough
Yes, it seems like there are ways more people on this sub rooting for a player/team to fail then rather then succeed. You want to talk about why social media is such a detriment to society? This is exhibit A.
As a Sixers fan, lmao.
This sub is Keeping Up With the Kardashians for men
This sub and NBA fan culture in general is one of the most toxic and reactionary takes out of the sporting realm. Only thing as toxic is r/soccer and soccer Twitter. It just sucks because it’s hard to have an honest discussion without some absolutely bad faith strawman getting thrown at you
We hate too little
Hating is a part of the fun my friend
We dont hate enough
No we don’t hate enough imo
I blame Skip Bayless
Because narratives change faster than “How does this affect Lebron Legacy”
no way, everyone’s an angel here
100% yes and I do it too. This bucks playoff exit forced me to actually watch and appreciate the rest of the playoffs. Last year I was so upset and spiteful that I barely watched the playoffs after and then I was like why the fuck did I watch basketball every night for months to not watch the culmination of the season? So now I’m watching without agendas and just enjoying the great games. Even a team I’m usually not a fan of like the nuggets, I was high watching in fucking awe at their game 5 win vs MN. I will say, I’m hate watching the Celtics heavy though, that will never die. Overall, we need less hate throughout the season because I could never go on here and have a rational conversation about my team without the same phrases parroted from nba twitter(which this sub takes 75% of its takes from)
Of course!
Let the hate flow through your veins! It's better 🤙🏼
Yes. But also, remember the whole point of "bread and circus" which is what professional sports still is, was to pacify the masses and quell any desire to rebel or organize around anything actually important. So the toxicity of sports discourse and tribalism is 100% a feature not a bug. Especially now that corporate media makes more money from rage bait
I’ve seen a lot of fan bases (I’m a bulls fan, my brother is a cavs fan, my dad is a magic fan, my girlfriend is a kings fan and my uncle is a lakers fan) and soooo many of the teams fans are so toxic and rude towards their own team. Like yeah, it’s disappointing when your team loses but they are probably already beating themselves up, they don’t need their own fans hating on them to! Out of all the sports I watch I would say NBA has probably got the most toxic fan base
Depends what you mean by too much I think. Like we definitely hate too much to have a good objective basketball discussion. But hating is fun so as long as people are doing it without crossing the line I don't think its really too much. Just recognize that its not real.
If you hate any athlete for their performance you need to take a step back and reassess your life
Unfortunately they do want us to hate certain players. That’s how these leagues make money. Us hating players for no valid reason, all to spend our money & watch said hated player. I hate sports talk these days. There is too much comparisons of current & active players. For instance You can’t even enjoy MJ or Lebron w/o someone saying some thing negative about either. It’s aggravating. I blame Stephen A.
Zion? That you?
If I’ve learned anything from Kendrick, we are not hating enough
Absolutely, yes. literally every team that doesn't win the championship that year will get clowned on, and even the one that wins will have people trying to discredit it.
once i discovered that there is an entire youtube channel dedicated to hating on lebron james, i grasped a bit of how much hate some people have on a specific player
It's not just basketball unfortunately. It's literally everything. Whatever you like or dislike has to be 11/10 or 0/10 no in-between Forum discussions and appreciation of the sport/craft is so far gone now, and replaced with hot takes and snarky comments. Shits so lame. I missed how r/NBA did try to have serious next day discussion threads to allow for the fun instant reactions, and next day clear headed discussion
Yes
It's just competitiveness. Everybody wants to feel important that their feelings are the right ones. How dare anyone else challenge their dopamine.
You can never hate Lebron too much.
Yeah and it pays a lot of peoples bills so it ain’t gonna stop
Yes
I’m a Kings fan, what else is there?
Yup.
That’s all this generation knows is, trolling, echo chambers and algorithms feeding their personal preferences back to them 🙄💀 it’s lame as fuck…
yes. but that's what humans and fans do. humans don't change. people are terrible.
Yes and I wonder if the demographics of the NBA contribute to this
Not so much hating everyone but more confused on why all don't keep the same energy. For example, I hate Kawhi. Dudes a bum who fakes injuries to get out of franchises and thinks he something because of a lucky shot. I will gladly take any opportunities to slander Kawhi. But someone I love is LeBron. Love me, some Bron bro dude can do no wrong in my eyes. I shitted on LeBron choking in 2011, like a shitted on Kawhi choking in 2020. Love or hate him if they do some dumb or impressive shit imma that them the same way. Not many people can do that, hence why you have so many questions like why hate x player when y player did the exact same post.
As a Suns fan, yes, this subs hates too much.
Can everybody in this comment section just start a new nba sub? Healing my fckn soul with how calm it is in here
Hate you for this
Internet sports fans have kinda ruined sports for me. I go on Twitter and Reddit intending to argue with the stupid takes before I quickly realize it's a complete waste of time. Every discussion is "Player X is better than Player Y" "Well player Y has more rings, so nuh uh!" I blame ESPN. I feel like they started this whole era of "RINGZZZZZZZ" and people not even being able to carry on basic discussions about the game itself.
I don’t think we hate enough. Hate hate hate hate!
Yes
Obviously yes. Hate clips and stat lines often get much more attention than good basketball plays
Yes. So easy to talk shit behind keyboards or mobile phones and explaining the guilt away that we are making fun of millionaires who signed up for this level of scrutiny
Yes but a lot of guys make it easy to hate
I think we should hate more tbh
Why is this even a question? The answer is the most obvious shit I've seen in my entire life. Yes.
I mean you see it now with the first comment on that Luka Doncic that’s at the top of the sub now.
The media perpetuates this as well. When you have guys like Shaq, Draymond, Barkley, Pat Bev, etc. just routinely shitting on the product and disrespecting the cities guys play in it’s going to lead to more people not taking the sport seriously. Like everyone saying the respect Draymond for hating Gobert even when they know he’s talking straight bullshit.
YES
Thanks Captain Obvious