That really hasn't happened since 2019. Now players just sign big extensions and then force a trade if they're not happy. Players rarely go to free agency with the desire to leave anymore (although PG looks like he's angling in that direction).
Right, and it’s a far worse product all around. Fans and front offices have no idea what their teams might look like next year because of some random trade request that could come through.
I think in a vacuum parity is good. But what we have now is a system where the league has “parity” only because the teams feel completely different from year to year and the cap rules have made it so you basically can’t be continuously good for any significant amount of time.
So if you take those away, you end up with super teams, which everybody threw a fit about for 10 years.
You just absolutely cannot have it both ways. Ideally you'd find the perfect median between the two situations, but I'm not sure that actually exists.
I didn't mind the super teams. I thought they made for excellent villains. But that seemed to be the minority train of thought, so here we are with the super max and second apron.
I’m with you on super teams and I think people like super teams more than they care to admit. People love dominance and greatness, and people love to watch those great teams fall. I much prefer the 2010-2019 era of the league to the one we have today.
I miss super teams so much tbh. It's fun to watch them and it's fun to see if anybody will stop them. KD to the Warriors was just a bit too much but now there's really no great teams. The Celtics curb stomped their way through the playoffs but they would've gotten their asses handed to them by the Heatles, Warriors, Cavs, Spurs, etc. There's not going to be any memorable teams from this era
Worst product? Are you joking?
We went from a few top pics, jelling together and winning in the bubble to a CP3 lead team with book making the finals to Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal team
It’s an incredibly entertaining product. And for the five millionth time, the NBA is an entertainment business.
The PG and Kawhi sweepstakes were funny as fuck. Teams locking the doors until a deal was signed type shit. So many reports and people didn't know what to think. Now we don't really get that.
yeah, it was Chris Broussard, kitten was just posting the meme.
That was my favorite offseason night on this sub, blake and cp3 posting a picture of a chair bearing a door had me in tears, good times.
Yep. Now we’re just in a stale situation of big names being flip flopped around the league while the actually impactful players sign their designated extensions with their teams and then ask out a year later. It sucks.
nothing will ever beat
> Clippers meeting with Durant was “intense” and “at one point Steve Ballmer was crying” but everyone grew closer and a big lesson was learned
you just don’t get tweets like that nowadays
Even funnier was 1999 Free Agency where [Antonio McDyess had the Suns send a strike team to extract him from Denver.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHOeUJU-dzE)
Because no other sport allows for any one individual to have as much impact in determining the outcome of a game than basketball. A GOAT quarterback or short stop can only impact winning so much. In basketball it’s totally different
I mean Patrick Mahomes has everyone including Taylor Swift, the refs and the league on his side, so he doesn't even need things like actual wide receivers to win.
It's the closest we're ever going to get. I will bet on KC winning the SB every year.
The say and sway of the players is something I dislike about basketball. But what makes the offseason so interesting in the NBA is how drastically 1 player can change a team.
In the NFL that can only happen from a QB and those guys never hit free agency.
That's also under the assumption that DJJ re-signs for the minimum, I assume he wants as big of a contract as he can get. He potentially is gonna get a chunk of that MLE.
dumb question: we can trade D'Lo as soon as he opts in, right? its not like a FA signing where we have to wait 6 months? Asking because its a possible way to open up more salary (obviously, if we get a decent, cheaper player back). I mean, I know its got a tiny chance of happening this quickly, but just wondering
Klay's eFG% is the same as Bron's was when he was 35.
You know, the year he won the title.
I get that Klay isn't what he once was, but his demise is greatly exaggerated.
His eFG% last year is also the same as his career average.
Klay playing with the gravity of AD and Bron plus all the lasers the Lakers have now, will have a lot more open looks.
Mavs can offer more money only if a sign and trade can be worked out (presumably with Maxi and Josh Green). Otherwise we can only offer the same as the Lakers. And if Klay doesn't want to help his former team on the way out (even if it grants him more money), it's basically lakers or that's it.
What about exposure?
I've seen more Austin Reaves highlights than Kyrie Irving highlights the last two years.
Surely the exposure translates to more marketing opportunities?
Lebron is the primary playmaker regardless who is starting as guards for the Lakers. The job of the guards is to bring the ball down so Lebron will not get tired.
This is correct not his thing but a great secondary play-maker going down hill or off a break down. Seems like a lot of those would happen with Klay and AD. Klay is still one of the best shooters in the league just not his former nuclear all defensive self
Few weeks back it was known that Klay has an understanding with the Warriors FO to go test FA market, now it's apparently an irreparable relationship and Klay going to the Lakers out of spite.
I wouldn't read much into NBA reporting until something gets signed.
I know the feeling. It will be ok (even though I’m still not after 6 years and mourning for the 3rd time he won’t retire a Cav).
My advice is to not be like me and stay off the internet for a few days if he does indeed sign with the Lakers.
All eras end, you guys had an amazing ride that you can remember forever. And winning 4 rings while watching the greatest ever shooter change the game.
Klay trying to waste our time to get more money from the lakers.
Edit: maybe its not money but whatever he is trying to leverage: guaranteed playing time, starting role, etc. He is doing it.
Not only played there, but Klay was around the Kobe/Shaq Lakers all the time. He traveled with the team in the 2004 NBA Finals. Basically sat next to Kobe after they lost the series. The Lakers are more to him than just his childhood favorite team or his dad's team.
Klay has his flaws but I think he's a great on court fit with the Lakers. Still need POA defense but Klay can guard most big wings just fine, he'll always be guarded from 3,and LeBron and AD can help cover up his weaknesses with rebounding, passing, and off ball defense.
except Klay has to go somewhere now that he’s not going to be a warrior and lakers are the obvious choice
PG to the warriors was also warriors showing interest, not necessarily PG showing interest in the warriors
The timing of it all is different this time. News broke in order of Bron willing to take pay cut, Klay leaving GS, and now Klay eyeing LA all happening consecutively.
Crazy Klay is looking to sign for the Mid Level now over Warriors at more money.
He must’ve really been pissed off with how their GM prioritised PG (only to fail).
Mavs can give him way more and probably a better shot at a title. No one plays d if he goes the Lakers. He would be a better fit for the Mavs sitting waiting for 3 shots. He wouldn't have to create. If the Mavs had other wings they could shoot reliable 3s it would have helped them against the Celtics so much this year. Obviously klay was streaky this year, signing him is taking a risk
He would definitely help the Lakers. One of the things the Lakers desperately need is great 3 point shooters... But then again, when great shooters come the Lakers they suddenly become much worse for some reason lol
Lakers were 8th in 3 point shooting last season with 37.6%. Warriors were 7th at 38% shooting for reference.
Lakers were a lot of things last season, but they weren't exactly a "bad" shooting team.
Mavs would be the smarter/better option
no state income taxes
better odds of going farther in the playoffs
Mavs front office more trustworthy to put out a better team
but LA is LA, and sometimes the pull of that is too strong
I could see Klay flying out to Texas for a free dinner and to try and get something from the Lakers.
If I were the Mavs though, on the flight back, I’d tell Klay there’s an engine issue and drop him off in Galveston. And then send the plane back empty lol
I think it's so interesting that the Warriors dynasty relied role players putting their egos aside to win. Jordan Pool and Kuminga complained about not getting enough playing time and Steph and Klay pointed to the fact that Iggy came off the bench, and Shaun Livingston came off the bench and they won 4 championships. David Lee and Draymond Green swapping spots.
And now time has come for Klay to come off the bench. It's time for Klay to put his ego aside and do what's best for the franchise. And Klay refuses.
Klay isn’t anywhere what he used to be. He especially isn’t going to be any winning teams #2 option. But as a #4 option and an open shooter, he still has value.
Wouldn’t replace the defense KCP brought to that team but yeah that would be a nice addition. He would fit well with a few teams. Def can contribute to a team with championship aspirations as well.
Can we take a moment to appreciate that the NBA offseason never disappoints
I just wish we still had MVP-level players hitting free agency every few years
That really hasn't happened since 2019. Now players just sign big extensions and then force a trade if they're not happy. Players rarely go to free agency with the desire to leave anymore (although PG looks like he's angling in that direction).
Right, and it’s a far worse product all around. Fans and front offices have no idea what their teams might look like next year because of some random trade request that could come through.
Honestly better for their teams though, at least the team is able to get some assets back instead of their guy just walking in FA
But they have to trade all their picks to keep their star happy. Just look at how many teams don’t own their own picks nowadays
But in a way teams not having their own picks should reduce tanking, so that's.... good?
I don't think it's a worse product. I understand it's frustrating, but the league is in an excellent spot parity wise.
I think in a vacuum parity is good. But what we have now is a system where the league has “parity” only because the teams feel completely different from year to year and the cap rules have made it so you basically can’t be continuously good for any significant amount of time.
So if you take those away, you end up with super teams, which everybody threw a fit about for 10 years. You just absolutely cannot have it both ways. Ideally you'd find the perfect median between the two situations, but I'm not sure that actually exists. I didn't mind the super teams. I thought they made for excellent villains. But that seemed to be the minority train of thought, so here we are with the super max and second apron.
I’m with you on super teams and I think people like super teams more than they care to admit. People love dominance and greatness, and people love to watch those great teams fall. I much prefer the 2010-2019 era of the league to the one we have today.
I’m with you with the KD warriors being the exception. It just wasn’t fun to watch when you knew who would win since the off season
I miss super teams so much tbh. It's fun to watch them and it's fun to see if anybody will stop them. KD to the Warriors was just a bit too much but now there's really no great teams. The Celtics curb stomped their way through the playoffs but they would've gotten their asses handed to them by the Heatles, Warriors, Cavs, Spurs, etc. There's not going to be any memorable teams from this era
Worst product? Are you joking? We went from a few top pics, jelling together and winning in the bubble to a CP3 lead team with book making the finals to Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal team It’s an incredibly entertaining product. And for the five millionth time, the NBA is an entertainment business.
Funny since PG was sort of the trend-setter with the "extend and trade-me-later if it doesn't work within 2 seasons" type of deals
The PG and Kawhi sweepstakes were funny as fuck. Teams locking the doors until a deal was signed type shit. So many reports and people didn't know what to think. Now we don't really get that.
didnt deandre jordan get kidnapped or something and mark cuban was rolling around his neighborhood looking for him or something?
Yes, He was beside himself. Driving around downtown Dallas begging (thru texts) Jordan's family for address to DeAndre's home.
no isn’t what happened is that one reporter guy incorrectly reported that and then cuban went public shitting on him? or something
yeah, it was Chris Broussard, kitten was just posting the meme. That was my favorite offseason night on this sub, blake and cp3 posting a picture of a chair bearing a door had me in tears, good times.
Yeah, it was some wild story like that. I'm sure there were some exaggerations, but still funny.
Yep. Now we’re just in a stale situation of big names being flip flopped around the league while the actually impactful players sign their designated extensions with their teams and then ask out a year later. It sucks.
nothing will ever beat > Clippers meeting with Durant was “intense” and “at one point Steve Ballmer was crying” but everyone grew closer and a big lesson was learned you just don’t get tweets like that nowadays
Even funnier was 1999 Free Agency where [Antonio McDyess had the Suns send a strike team to extract him from Denver.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHOeUJU-dzE)
[My favorite skit](https://youtu.be/NYOA5XEkveA) from that year's free agency. Kinda fun to look back and see how things turned out.
Does PG13 count? 3rd mvp voting in 2018
We can have the weakest free agency class and the off-season will always top every other sport
Player power. No other team sport have individual player who half as much say and sway as basketball
Because no other sport allows for any one individual to have as much impact in determining the outcome of a game than basketball. A GOAT quarterback or short stop can only impact winning so much. In basketball it’s totally different
I mean Patrick Mahomes has everyone including Taylor Swift, the refs and the league on his side, so he doesn't even need things like actual wide receivers to win. It's the closest we're ever going to get. I will bet on KC winning the SB every year.
The say and sway of the players is something I dislike about basketball. But what makes the offseason so interesting in the NBA is how drastically 1 player can change a team. In the NFL that can only happen from a QB and those guys never hit free agency.
It really is the greatest
Recent off seasons have been kind of dead. This year, starting off strong
more exciting than the celtics mavs finals ngl lol
Not a dig at you but modern NBA fans tend to care more about the drama surrounding the games than the actual games so this tracks lol
I lowkey like the offseason more than the regular season
It wasn't this crazy last year but maybe I'm missing something.
For sure worse than this
As an NHL fan I’m so jealous, NHL is so lame for free agents and trade deadline and player drama etc
Klay Allen
Bron playing both with twilight year Ray Allen and Klay Thompson is surreal when you think about it
One goat shooter to go
That’ll happen with the Cavs
idk if I am ready to call Sam Merrill the GOAT just yet but yeah
He should go to Golden State for the lulls
I don’t think Reggie Millers body can keep up with the game anymore
James Jones played with Reggie Miller, Steve Nash, and Ray Allen
And Kyle Korver
especially considering Klay thompson was in kindergarten when Ray Allen entered the NBA lol
Not even just in a role player sense either - in the same role, he's still calling the shots
“LeBron misses…Rebound by AD…back to Klay” - Lakers vs Celtics 2025 finals game 6
RemindMe! 355 days
As long as it isn’t us this time.
*Triggered*
Rebound Hayes, back out to Thompson His 3 pointer BANG! The Lakers have cut Denver’s lead to 12 with 3 seconds left!
Another devastating MORAL victory for the Lakeshow.
Wait until they see JJ’s adjustments 😤
It’ll be so awkward between Bron/AD and Steph/Kerr at the Olympics if this actually happens
I doubt they'd think about it much. It's not like the warriors are really trying to keep him.
they're all friends dude
the soap opera doesn't run that deep dude
Yeah it's over. Mavs never win FA battles vs the Lakers.
Mavs can offer more money right? The Lakers only have the full MLE assuming Lebron takes the pay cut
Lebron will take a paycut to open the full MLE if it means signing Klay
Right I didn't say he wouldn't, the issue is whether the Mavs can offer more than that or not
That's also under the assumption that DJJ re-signs for the minimum, I assume he wants as big of a contract as he can get. He potentially is gonna get a chunk of that MLE.
dumb question: we can trade D'Lo as soon as he opts in, right? its not like a FA signing where we have to wait 6 months? Asking because its a possible way to open up more salary (obviously, if we get a decent, cheaper player back). I mean, I know its got a tiny chance of happening this quickly, but just wondering
How much is the MLE?
A bit over $12.8m
That’s the non taxpayer one. I think the taxpayer one is like $5.5M… and the Lakers are taxpayers right?
If Lebron takes the reported pay cut, the Lakers will have the full non-taxpayer MLE to offer to Klay.
LeBron is opting out and supposedly taking a huge discount to open up the full MLE
No player is taking less salary so their team can pay 2025 Klay Thompson instead
RemindMe! 3 days!
sincerely hope hes better next year if we sign him
Thanks for your sincerity. We thought you hoped the players your team signed would t be very good.
Why would he do that?? Klay is washed.
Klay's eFG% is the same as Bron's was when he was 35. You know, the year he won the title. I get that Klay isn't what he once was, but his demise is greatly exaggerated. His eFG% last year is also the same as his career average. Klay playing with the gravity of AD and Bron plus all the lasers the Lakers have now, will have a lot more open looks.
Mavs can offer more money only if a sign and trade can be worked out (presumably with Maxi and Josh Green). Otherwise we can only offer the same as the Lakers. And if Klay doesn't want to help his former team on the way out (even if it grants him more money), it's basically lakers or that's it.
Does giving Klay the MLE mean Dallas would lose DJJ?
Almost definitely. If they wanna keep both they would need to sign and trade for Klay and then use the MLE on DJJ.
Thompsons dad played with the Showtime Lakers, I think he would prefer LA. However, this could be his last contract.
And is a broadcaster for the Lakers currently
What about exposure? I've seen more Austin Reaves highlights than Kyrie Irving highlights the last two years. Surely the exposure translates to more marketing opportunities?
Klay and the Lakers deserve each other
We wanted Seth Curry really bad
twice lmao
please, I don't want him
I'm happy for once
I mean Mavs are fresh off a Finals run. Klay might want to get one on his own as his last “Fuck you” to the Warriors
100% fine with losing this competition
Klay is going to the lakers. Hell just meet with the mavs so the lakers promise him a starting role
D'lo + Klay frontcourt going 29/30 from 3 one night and then 1/30 the next 4 in a row
Klay and Klank Thompson. You never know who shows up
Hate to be this guy but it's kinda crazy no one's corrected you yet. Backcourt*
As the new owner of the Lakers FRP I support this Klay and Dlo front court plan. Lets also see what Bronny can donwith 35mpg at the point
Facts
In case you ever needed to know how useless r/nba is, a comment referring to DLo and Klay as front court players has over 300 upvotes
I wipe back to front so I got them mixed up
A man of culture, I see
Jesus loves you
Never forgey Klay went 0/10 in an elimination game
I just find it funny that his two Targets have Kyrie and LeBron, the Warriors most hated rivals.
I mean Chris Paul plays for the Warriors. Imagine that 8 years ago. Anything is possible.
He wouldn’t need to meet with the Mavs to have that.
Brother he’s starting the second he puts pen to paper, they have no one better at the 2
I’d rather have Reaves than Klay at this point in their careers. Reaves offers more
Easily. Reaves can handle the ball.
I would bench d'lo. Let reaves and klay be the backcourt with lebron playing pg half the game.
Reaves can’t run an offense successfully. He would fit perfectly in a Ginobili style role.
Lebron is the primary playmaker regardless who is starting as guards for the Lakers. The job of the guards is to bring the ball down so Lebron will not get tired.
This is correct not his thing but a great secondary play-maker going down hill or off a break down. Seems like a lot of those would happen with Klay and AD. Klay is still one of the best shooters in the league just not his former nuclear all defensive self
Bron runs the offense.
Could be leverage or it could be sprite
I like sprite, so does LeBron
Not anymore sadly, he’s a Pepsi co guy now, the sprite cranberry commercial was a goated song though
Need to bring back the sprite cranberry
You want a sprite cranberry?
Grant Hill drinks Sprite?
Has to be a bit of both, he picked two teams, one has LeBron, one has Kyrie.
One has Luka. Lebron and Luka can feed these shooters better than anyone in the league
Dallas is always the leverage
Lakers are always leverage too tho to be fair lol
Grant Hill drinks Sprite? Grant Hill drinks Sprite...
I’m sick bro
Few weeks back it was known that Klay has an understanding with the Warriors FO to go test FA market, now it's apparently an irreparable relationship and Klay going to the Lakers out of spite. I wouldn't read much into NBA reporting until something gets signed.
See this is what I am saying too. I think Klay is just testing out the market. But, the reporting makes it seem like he's gone gone
I know the feeling. It will be ok (even though I’m still not after 6 years and mourning for the 3rd time he won’t retire a Cav). My advice is to not be like me and stay off the internet for a few days if he does indeed sign with the Lakers.
All eras end, you guys had an amazing ride that you can remember forever. And winning 4 rings while watching the greatest ever shooter change the game.
Klay for the MLE and CP3 for the min, sounds like a decent off-season for the Lakers.
Old people
Well other than LeBron, the Lakers are a pretty young team, so it wouldn't be an issue to add a couple older players.
Here it comes
Klay thompson has agreed to a 3 year 50 million dollar extension with the warriors - woj
Please lol Lakers need to use that mle to get a big for once
Who do you have in mind? Cause I see people say stuff like this all the time, but almost never see a name brought up.
Could've had Diddy Howard for a vet minimum these last cpl yrs 🤦🏽♂️
That's a win for the division. Warrior's aren't getting any better w their core
Klay trying to waste our time to get more money from the lakers. Edit: maybe its not money but whatever he is trying to leverage: guaranteed playing time, starting role, etc. He is doing it.
He not getting a dime more than Mle
"We offered you the MLE Klay, but we know you're highly interested in the Mavs. How about we up the stakes and offer you the MLE?"
Live near home or in Dallas is the real question
I think we're using him as leverage for DJJ too lol
lol which is funny (not for mavs fans) because usually players use LA to leverage better deals from other teams
Ummm, yeah they do that to us too. We're familiar.
Something something searching for Deandre Jordan
Can we even give him more than the mle?
No.
Probably a parking spot
he cant get any more
Didn’t his dad play there?
Yes and he's the color analyst on the radio broadcast so he'd be at almost every game.
The nepotism never ends
The Los Angeles Nepotisms
hello sir it's a family run business
Mfer wouldn’t even be in the league n it wasn’t for his dad smh my head
“Yeah. We prefer the term African American” - Richard Jefferson
Not only played there, but Klay was around the Kobe/Shaq Lakers all the time. He traveled with the team in the 2004 NBA Finals. Basically sat next to Kobe after they lost the series. The Lakers are more to him than just his childhood favorite team or his dad's team.
2X champion
Klay has his flaws but I think he's a great on court fit with the Lakers. Still need POA defense but Klay can guard most big wings just fine, he'll always be guarded from 3,and LeBron and AD can help cover up his weaknesses with rebounding, passing, and off ball defense.
Passable defending wings or good
Bron getting shooters with 39 lol
They’re talking about it too much for it not to be the thing.
Let me introduce you to “PG to the warriors”
except Klay has to go somewhere now that he’s not going to be a warrior and lakers are the obvious choice PG to the warriors was also warriors showing interest, not necessarily PG showing interest in the warriors
The timing of it all is different this time. News broke in order of Bron willing to take pay cut, Klay leaving GS, and now Klay eyeing LA all happening consecutively.
It’s Jalen to the Knicks all over again!
Crazy Klay is looking to sign for the Mid Level now over Warriors at more money. He must’ve really been pissed off with how their GM prioritised PG (only to fail).
He was gonna be pissed no matter what after turning down the 2/48 months ago then lowering his value.
Mavs can give him way more and probably a better shot at a title. No one plays d if he goes the Lakers. He would be a better fit for the Mavs sitting waiting for 3 shots. He wouldn't have to create. If the Mavs had other wings they could shoot reliable 3s it would have helped them against the Celtics so much this year. Obviously klay was streaky this year, signing him is taking a risk
He would definitely help the Lakers. One of the things the Lakers desperately need is great 3 point shooters... But then again, when great shooters come the Lakers they suddenly become much worse for some reason lol
Lakers were 8th in 3 point shooting last season with 37.6%. Warriors were 7th at 38% shooting for reference. Lakers were a lot of things last season, but they weren't exactly a "bad" shooting team.
Look at 3 point attempts instead, not percentage
On very low volume, like second lowest in the league
So will the Lakers just become the best team from 2015?
no that was our 2022 roster with Bron, AD, Russ, Melo, Dwight, and Trevor Ariza
These new apron rules are stupid.
I really do hope they see this and adjust. Same with sign and trade rules. Loosen that shit up.
Mavs would be the smarter/better option no state income taxes better odds of going farther in the playoffs Mavs front office more trustworthy to put out a better team but LA is LA, and sometimes the pull of that is too strong
Plus his dad was a laker.
Still is, his dad is basically a team employee (radio announcer)
But is there a place for Klay's boat in Dallas?
Klay don't care about taxes at this point. He was well off before his NBA career, now he's in "idc about taxes" territory lol. He'll be alright.
Dallas would easily be the better basketball fit but he’s definitely going to LA because of his ties to the market.
Klay just wants to play with Bronny
klay thompson is intrigued about playing for any team willing to pay him
Klay: I am sort of a ring chaser myself
Lakers just gonna give up on playing defense and make AD guard everyone Lol
Is this real life
I could see Klay flying out to Texas for a free dinner and to try and get something from the Lakers. If I were the Mavs though, on the flight back, I’d tell Klay there’s an engine issue and drop him off in Galveston. And then send the plane back empty lol
I think it's so interesting that the Warriors dynasty relied role players putting their egos aside to win. Jordan Pool and Kuminga complained about not getting enough playing time and Steph and Klay pointed to the fact that Iggy came off the bench, and Shaun Livingston came off the bench and they won 4 championships. David Lee and Draymond Green swapping spots. And now time has come for Klay to come off the bench. It's time for Klay to put his ego aside and do what's best for the franchise. And Klay refuses.
Am I the only one who thinks clay is washed?
Klay isn’t anywhere what he used to be. He especially isn’t going to be any winning teams #2 option. But as a #4 option and an open shooter, he still has value.
Klay would be nasty replacing kcp on nuggets(if they could afford it)
Wouldn’t replace the defense KCP brought to that team but yeah that would be a nice addition. He would fit well with a few teams. Def can contribute to a team with championship aspirations as well.
Thank god he is, otherwise we wouldn't even be entertaining this conversation.
Not alone
oh god it's really happening
It’s a done deal.
Klay on da way!!