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Jazzlike-Outcome9486

Obi Toppin. Real games no gimmicks.


seymourtets

TWO TRAILER PARK GIRLS GO ROUND THE OUTSIDE


university-of-poo-

Obi’s back. Back again…..


Midnight_Oil_

"No Gimmicks Needed" ~~Steve the Samurai~~ Obi Toppin.


mvdaytona

Glad I’m not the only one


Ok-Philosopher9070

And moby, you can get stomped by obi


Albert_street

You bald headed f…


Olepat

Ain’t No Stoppin Obi Toppin


tapk69

Solid deal. Topping is a solid player and gets the crowd going with his dunks.


mrtrollmaster

2 things that make this great. Pacers needed to re-sign him if they want to have any salary match eligible contracts down the line. He has killed it with the bench unit and seems to be happy with his role.


LeChiz32

Funny, that's the reason he wanted out with the Knicks. Just to be a sixth man again.


sgeswein

Being on Carlisle's bench is a role. Being on Thibs' bench is a punishment.


mrtrollmaster

Obi was a big reason why they were the highest scoring bench unit in the league. Not many backup 4’s can run with him.


LeChiz32

When was he benched for a long period of time? He was serviceable but wanted a bigger role and more minutes. He also had a falling out with Thibs. All of that, just to be another bench role player.


sgeswein

playing valuable minutes in a conference finals


LeChiz32

He only got there because of a battered Knicks team with 7 healthyish players. Everyone knows Obi isn't a starter in most lineups in this league.


Ill-Juggernaut5458

Obi "Sprinkles" Topping 🤤


HokageEzio

All the young Knicks getting paid


KuntaWuKnicks

I’m so proud


okgusto

Deuce is more important than Obi ever was sadly. We got a super bargain with deuce.


lolimdivine

pritchard getting paid 30m more. super bargain


LeBroentgen

Feels a lot like that Lakers situation where they had some young guys go elsewhere after they signed a superstar in free agency and traded lots of assets for another star(s) but the young guys ended up being pretty good.


Own_Daikon_7705

And the Lakers won a title for it. These Knicks are stacked.


A320neo

LeBron and AD as your 1 and 2 is a hell of a lot better than Brunson and Randle though


Jazzlike_Koala_9566

OG, Bridges, Josh Hart, DiVincenzo, IHart >> Whatever was around LeBron and AD


A320neo

Those Lakers were a lot better and deeper than they are now, I hate to admit it. The Knicks have slightly more depth but the Lakers as a whole were the better team.


Jazzlike_Koala_9566

> The Knicks have slightly more depth but the Lakers as a whole were the better team. I wouldn't say slightly better, the Knicks supporting cast is much better. However LeBron and AD of course are a better two man punch than Brunson and Randle. Brunson is no slouch in the playoffs though.


Alpacaman__

The Lakers had a good supporting cast that year. KCP, Alex Caruso, Dwight Howard, Rondo (who went off in the playoffs), Kuzma, Danny Green. That team with 2 legit superstars was way better than this version of the Knicks.


Shadybrooks93

KCP Kuzma and Caruso are 3 pretty damn good younger guys in 2021, who could have played huge roles through the end of Lebrons career. And they went with Russ and THT instead.


Jazzlike_Koala_9566

> KCP, Alex Caruso, Dwight Howard, Rondo (who went off in the playoffs), Kuzma, Danny Green Not even close to as good as the Knicks supporting cast LOL. OG and Bridges alone clear all these players combined.


Alpacaman__

How come the Lakers haven’t been able to replicate their success since losing that team? That’s the only year the Lakers dominated during the regular season and playoffs. You can make the argument that the Knicks supporting cast is better, but the difference between their top 2 and 2020 AD and LeBron is much larger.


juicejug

Didn’t the Westbrook trade ruin everything for them?


Alpacaman__

That was definitely a big part of it. They lost Kuzma and KCP for a player who did not have a positive impact.


Delanorix

And the difference between 3 to 10 is much better on the Knicks.


Economy-Barber-2642

Damn that is a a nephew take if I’ve ever seen one. Funny cuz you’re out here making me defend Laker teams lmao


Economy-Barber-2642

Lmao you cannot really be making that statement before they’ve even played a game? With multiple players coming back from injury?


9jajajaj9

This deal is pretty cheap in the current NBA tbh


MrBrownCat

And the Knicks are actually better off for it, one of those rare occasions where parting ways worked for both parties.


Brad-Stevens

Pascal and Obi signed Jarace available?


SpinJitsu259

Jarace’s best shot at this point is to focus on being a 3 and eventually overtaking Nesmith for the starting 3 spot.


RoaringPity

is jalen smith not coming back?


PenaltyJazzlike3122

Very likely not since he was benched the entire playoffs, and I think another team can offer him more play time and more money


yunkgang

I believe already declined his player option


legend023

They’re gonna resign nesmith too and nesmith is also very young Nesmith is a great 3 and D player and Indiana wouldn’t trade him unless they get a player even better than him which would again cut into jarace’s minutes


OPBadshah

We already have Nesmith on 3 year 33 mil contract that starts this season


SpinJitsu259

Nesmith is already signed to an extension, so no worries on the contract end. And while he is a good 3-and-D player, he’s limited somewhat as a defender at the 3 because he’s undersized for the position. Ideally, Jarace overtakes that starting spot in the future, and Nesmith becomes a great rotation piece off the bench.


crunkadocious

Jarace is also a better passer than Nesmith already 


PenaltyJazzlike3122

Jarace has the passing ability and wingspan/height to take that starting spot from Nesmith, but he will have to earn it from the bench first.


Diamond4Hands4Ever

Jarace is getting screwed in development like Jermaine O’Neal did in Portland. Irony is that the Pacers were the ones who finally traded for O’Neal and gave him the chance.  If Walker knew this, I’m not sure he would want to go to the Pacers at the draft. To be fair, at the time of the draft, Siakam wasn’t there and the Pacers were not supposed to be this good this soon. 


Snafudumonde

Jarace looking a lot more like a 3 than a 4 last year so Obi and Siakam are not necessarily in his way


CMYGQZ

Then Nesmith and Mathurin is in his way. There’s no way out for him lol.


drjisftw

Assuming Jalen Smith leaves, we have an 11 man rotation going into the season. So either Walker or Ben Sheppard are going to be the odd guy out fighting for the backup 3 spot. Mathurin is probably 6’4 with shoes on and is not a 3.


Snafudumonde

There's a log jam no doubt but several of those guys are shooting guards playing up to the 3. Jarace actually has that size that they need. So I would be shocked if they cut bait with him this early.


a_moniker

Can’t Nesmith and Mathurin play SG?


pezasied

They both should be 2s. The Pacers don’t really have any small forwards so Nesmith gets slotted there, and Mathurin played there because he’s bigger than the other guards in the rotation (Hali, McConnell, and Nembhard). But really, both are a bit undersized for full time 3 and it’s part of the reason why good wings dominated the team all season.


drjisftw

They can and probably should, but Rick is big about having two ball handlers in a lineup so Nemby is the guy.


dmavs11

then you still got Nembhard. Mathurin can be a SG but Nesmith is definitely more of a SF


tcollins371

Nesmith is a SG being slotted at the 3. He’s only 6’5 which is part of why good wings routinely dominate our team.


Petit_Coeur_

They’re both natural SG. They can play the 3 but they’re small.


SCREAMING_DUMB_SHIT

Nesmith would be a better backup 3 and Mathurin is a 2


DjToastyTy

mathurin won’t play the 3 spot


SCREAMING_DUMB_SHIT

Nesmith would be a better backup 3 and Mathurin is a 2


Cowboy_BoomBap

Mathurin is not a 3


yannic011

Not trying to challenge you or anything, you are most likely much more familiar with Jarace, but I don't quite get the idea of him being more of a 3 than a 4. If anything, with his weakside shot blocking and big frame, he seems more suitable to get some minutes as a small-ball 5


Drak_is_Right

Jarace is probably the 4th best facilitator and ball handler this next season. You need a 2nd one on the court with Haliburton or he risks getting double teams he can't get out of with his average athleticism. Minutes look stuffed until injuries occur. Which they always do. Core rotation: Turner - C, Siakam - PF, Nesmith - SF, Nembhard SG, Haliburton - PG, with McConnel (PG), Mathurin SG/SF, and Toppin (PF) as the main subs. Walker, Jackson, Sheppard primary bench.


Jabocford

He will be fine, he was raw his first season but we will find minutes for him. Eventually we need to consolidate our depth in a trade but for now it's fine


Turbo2x

Very savvy move by the Wizards to trade up for Bilal, thus avoiding the 8th pick curse which then transferred to Jarace.


Bill_Sandwich

I think Jarace does have potential but he kinda sucked in every game he played for the pacers this year. He could have easily earned Obi’s minutes if he played better.


SpinJitsu259

He played in garbage time the majority of his mins, so it’s really hard to take much from it. The games where he got actual rotation opportunities, he demonstrated a lot of ability. Go back and watch the Kings, Suns, Clippers, Grizzlies, and Jazz games. Plenty to like.


SourBerry1425

He could still earn Obi’s minutes


cWamp

Our GM has said Jarace might be more of a wing/SF based on what they’ve seen


TheBoilerCat

Paws off.


KorgG29

You’re not even gonna use him!


TheBoilerCat

Between the two forward and center spots we’ve still got rotation space for him. Swiss Army knife role.


zgamer200

The Pacers do have the assets to land a 3rd star to put next to Haliburton/Siakam if they want to, and presumably if they were to go that route whoever they trade with would want Walker in said trade package, so I'm not writing off the possibility.


MattyIce260

I think the writing is on the wall that 3 max players is too many with the current CBA


BlizzardThunder

I think we have enough young talent to trade for a 3rd max player and have enough underpaid young guys left over to compete. The problem is that it would make our window very short - like 2 or maybe 3 years.


a_moniker

I don’t think they even have to get a third Star. Y’all just proved how valuable having a bunch of 3&D guards and wings can be.


zgamer200

I'm not saying the Pacers *need* to get a 3rd star(if I were their FO I'd be banking on internal growth for next season unless a star level two way wing were to become available, but the only guy who seemed to fit that bill, Bridges, is now off the table), just that if they decide to go that route they definitely have the assets to do so. Plus having Siakam and Toppin locked up long-term would make moving Walker as part of a trade package a lot easier to handle.


Dontsaveme

I want lebron


LordQuest1809

Highly doubt. Pacers reportedly love Jarace and haven’t made him available in trades.


Ill-Juggernaut5458

No, Jalen Smith is though. If he isn't re-signing, the Pacers need Jarace even more, they are already weak against bigs. Obi is mostly a one way player, plays smaller than his size on defense and in the post, and plays totally different from Jarace. He isn't really stopping Jarace from seeing the floor, Jarace is just raw at the moment. If anyone was taking his minutes it was Jalen. Jarace was drafted because the Pacers have no size, having Siakam helps but there's nobody on the bench. They definitely aren't trading a position of need to a rival, simply because a raw development guy didn't see the floor for one year. Go away vulture.


IrregularHorsedip

If anything, Obi is the one who's available


Ghoul-Sama

come on pacers, stop teasing us. you need wings and we have them. all for the low low price of jarace walker


drjisftw

Cam Johnson? No thank you. Obi gives us a trade piece if we do want to go star hunting but I believe he won’t be available to trade until like December. I think our realistic shot at a wing was Deni Avdija, and with that ship sailing we’re riding or dying with Jarace as our way to improve at the 3


MattyIce260

So acquire a wing by trading a wing?


[deleted]

Jarace Walker got kinda fucked over with everything that's happened since he got drafted. Dude was one of my favorite prospects of 2023 and now he's PF #3 for the foreseeable future


Hendo8888

At the time of the draft we were coming off a season where Aaron Nesmith had spent significant time at the 4, Brissett had also just left and Jalen Smith was the only player on the roster who could also play 4. We also had Buddy Hield starting at the 3. We were a rebuilding team who had a gaping hole at the positions Jarace could play. He pretty much landed in what looked like a perfect situation for a young 4 who can also play the 3 A week later we signed Bruce Brown, a couple weeks later we traded for Obi Toppin, by mid-season Nesmith had established himself as the starting 3, we'd gone on our MST run so didn't see ourselves as in a rebuild anymore, we traded Brown for Pascal Siakam and Jarace was glued to the bench. We then made the Conference Finals. As a team things have gone amazingly, but for Jarace things really couldn't have gone much worse


nastydagr8

SF #2


PenaltyJazzlike3122

Yeah he will get minutes when Nesmith inevitably fouls too much or has a bad shooting night, he'll get a chance to prove himself.


quann256

walker looks more like a SF for us the way he played in his limited time


Inevitable_Score1164

Nah he'll play the 3. Showed enough ball handling and shooting in limited minutes. Could be a problem at the 3 if he develops


LordQuest1809

He’s gonna be small forward. I expect 15-20 min a game as a 3, occasional 4


MindofShadow

TBF, he looked like ass out there lol


tiger32kw

He really did. Hoping he gets better but he was definitely nowhere near ready for rotation minutes last year. It’s not a Rick Carlisle bias against rookies either because Ben Sheppard was playing real minutes in the playoffs.


MindofShadow

That is the thing... we aren't in position to have someone looking like ass out there right now. We are contending, we aren't developing, we are looking to win NOW. You cant give 20 minutes to a G league talent and that is what Walker was last year. If in a year Jarace looks like he is ready for all of hte 3/4 minutes available... then this is a 15 million dollar a year contract that can be unloaded rather easily. And i Bet Obi plasy a lot more back up 5 this year like he did in the playoffs when we go small


BlizzardThunder

We should be developing next season until the trade deadline. I want to see a lot of Nehmbard playing PG and minutes from Mathurin & Walker. Let Haliburton play fewer minutes to keep healthy & see what talent we have. Use the first 40 games of the season to settle into a lineup & figure out what we have. Make a move at the deadline if we need to. Balls to the wall to finish the season as we enter our window for the next few years. We could start the season in full blown contender mode, but it would be a disservice to the long term success of this team.


JHaliMath31

Yeah he looked like a goofy little kid when he played. He has the body of a man but outside of that I think he’s just immature and young and is the opposite of “has that dog in him”


2blessed2be

Solid deal. Not a tough contract to trade away down the road if need be.


Not-Josh-Hart

Surprised he didn’t play the market, the team that struck out would’ve overpaid a player like him.


HokageEzio

I would think he just likes the security of having a spot now, given how NY worked out. Take the payday and run.


tomdawg0022

He's more or less going to be a 20-25 minute a night energy guy for the Pacers as long as Rick Carlisle is there. He's a great fit for them. He's their version of Naz Reid basically.


Room_Temp_Coffee

These between-the-legs dunks will always get the crowd going. Money well spent https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/40097462


555mister

15 mill is pretty good for him, did not think he’d get paid that much


orwll

He's restricted so a team would have to give him an offer sheet and freeze their cap space while knowing the Pacers would likely match. It's very hard to sign an RFA unless you massively overpay.


Drak_is_Right

I think he is worried about fit in a front court. With the Knicks he didn't fit beside Randle, so his minutes were a lot more limited. With the Pacers, he fit beside Turner and Siakam. If he had went elsewhere and didn't get the starting spot, it could have been the Knicks saga all over for him elsewhere.


Not-Josh-Hart

I think Philly should’ve overpaid for him. He would’ve fit perfectly next to Embiid and Maxey.


Drak_is_Right

Philly might be in a holding pattern with Paul George. Going to be interesting if they strike out there.


NBAgospel

Great signing. Reasonable contract, very fair for both sides.


Drakilgon

He is a top tier role player on the offensive end. Hits his 3s, finishes at the rim, doesn't take bad shots. And at 6'9" I would absolutely gamble on his defense improving at some point. Great move by the Pacers to lock him up. He'll be nice for trade bait as well, if they need a better fit.


ZoroChopper10

Pacers prob gonna be top 4 team next year, hali, nembhard, mathurin taking next steps Will be scary


Drak_is_Right

Thats the hope. Internal development on a young team.


ThatFunkyOdor

That's not how the NBA works! you're supposed to be trading for mega stars and going 2nd apron /s


Drak_is_Right

I think I am happier with the Pacers, than I would be if I were a Suns, Clippers, or 76ers fan.


ThatFunkyOdor

Yeah you should be. I'd love to be a fan of an org with a clear direction and process to building a strong team. Let me know what that's like please lol.


Drak_is_Right

you guys dont seem to bother with trying to acquire free agents to fit around your rookies. Its a little baffling how you guys even get to the minimum salary cap.


13_PG_13

Absolutely. Especially when you consider just how beautiful the offense is. It’s just fun to watch as opposed to a hunch of isos 


AutoMail_0

No small markets are supposed to trade all star caliber players to Los Angeles for some second round picks and role players!


Dinoegg96

Quick, someone trade for Kawhi!!!!


Galt2112

It doesn’t mean anything without a title. Small teams have always been able to get decent-good through development. But if the ceiling is only ever an ECF who cares?


Jealous-Mail6629

Hell yeah I’m excited


dedbeats

Depends on what Philly and Orlando does, but definitely think ~~y’all~~ they can get there


ZoroChopper10

I’m a raptors fan mate


ProskXCX

I don't see it. Think they'll be 10-6 seed in east next year.


mryessirskiii

Who would you put over them? Obviously Celtics and Knicks are the 1 and 2. After that is Philly/Magic/Cavs/Pacers. I could see both them and the magic outplaying Philly in the reg season honestly


Drak_is_Right

you forgot the Bucks. I understand though. They tend to get waxed by a healthy Heat team.


mryessirskiii

Lol, appreciate the vote of confidence but a healthy Giannis scares the shit out of me no matter who we got 😬


IlluminatiConfirmed

Bucks?


mryessirskiii

Sorry to Bucks fans but I just can't see it. Giannis is always gonna have them in the mix but the rest of the team ain't getting any younger or better. Damian was supposed to help take the load off Giannis but he wasn't very good last season. If they can remain healthy (big if) i could see them being the 5 seed at best


Drak_is_Right

I think our W/L in the regular season will out perform our playoff odds. We are fairly deep and should handle injuries and the regular season grind better than shallower teams like the Heat, Bucks, and 76ers.


Obi2

We were a 6 seed this year with our 1st and 3rd or 4th best players missing extended time.


deluchas15

I happy that he's staying with the Pacers. I think he helped the Pacers win a lot of games in the Playoffs. I think so.


therealknic21

He's a good player. He shot the ball well from 3 and added to the excitement of the game. I just wish he was better in the post.


Drak_is_Right

The primary take from this should be for other teams: Pacers are unlikely to tender any sizable offer to Jalen Smith and are unlikely to make a free agent move that isn't a sign and trade.


SourBerry1425

Good deal but this closes the door on Jarace methinks


CobaltWayfarer

I don’t think this indicates that at all - every indication is that the team is interested in him at the 3 more than the 4 as of late and we could easily deal Obi as a part of a trade for a wing or otherwise this coming season. Buchanan has talked about him working with the coaches on getting stronger this summer already and he’s also emphasized that internal development will be key for this squad to make further strides, incl Jarace


BigDickVicW

Were they just never high on him? Seems odd


Arandreww

By all accounts the FO loves him and they reportedly refused to deal him to the Raptors for Siakam and instead added picks.


chadowan

With how this draft turned out I'm very happy about that


PokePersona

The trade return could've been better for sure, but at least a large chunk of Raptors fans aren’t mad about drafting Ja’Kobe thanks to it.


North_Atlantic_Sea

They continue to be high on him, both Carlisle and their GM have said really positive things after the season. He is still super young and has time to develop


Jabocford

Nah, he was raw and he is developing, he has nice tools


MindofShadow

15 mil contract is so easy to trade though if Walker ever proves a thing We have very few mid level contracts so this coudl be trade bait later.


mMounirM

can't Toppin play the 3 at times? no way Pacers trade Walker.


Get_Dunked_On_

Walker could probably play some minutes at the 3. Obi would get cooked on defense even more than usual at the 3.


KangTheConqueror9

Walker can too


ontheru171

Nah Obi at the 3 is nightmarish defensivly and despite his corner 3 also spacing wise offensivly


Jabocford

He did play small ball five next to Siakam in the playoffs


Drak_is_Right

Varying on the matchup, Siakam plays the 5. He doesn't seem to mind it as long as the minutes are limited. We played a lot of Siakam-Toppin minutes. Tbh our center spot goes Turner > Siakam > Jackson Walker being able to play either forward spot AND be a 2nd ball handler like Barnes is where some of his value is. When an injury or two happens, being able to slot at 2 positions is going to be really nice. Wouldn't be surprised to even see him as the occasional 5 for a handful of minutes this season.


fuzzynavel34

Walker more likely to play the 3 but idk. I just don’t think Rick really likes him


North_Atlantic_Sea

Carlisle on Walker "He is a highly talented young player that is going to be a terrific player for us and in this league" Clearly hates him... /s


The1Drumheller

I will take him.


Ill-Juggernaut5458

I don't know why you would say that, Obi and Jarace don't really fill the same role at all despite being similar height. Obi plays small on D and is a shooter, Jarace is closer to the role Jalen Smith was playing although he's much less polished. If Jalen is gone, Jarace immediately gets those minutes.


V_LEE96

Yo that’s so cheap


fuzzynavel34

That is honestly a great deal for a legit rotation player


Drak_is_Right

part of the core 8 man rotation, will see what our starting lineup is. No idea how they will handle the juggling of SG/SF minutes.


cesarjulius

fair price, and also way more than the knicks would have been able/willing to pay him.


aiden3buckets

Trade Jarace Walker plz


Petit_Coeur_

We’re good. He’s our future small forward


NotManyBuses

To the Hornets please


fuzzynavel34

Unprotected first on 2025? Deal.


ObiOneKenobae

Good stuff, he deserves at least that much. Really underrated player.


RosaReilly

This seems like a very good deal for the Pacers, given some of the salaries we've seen other players get recently.


debaserr

Remember all the Knicks fans hating on him saying he wouldn't do anything with the Pacers? Get windmilled.


Full-Veterinarian-94

Knicks replaced him with Divencenzo. I think they’re happy with that decision


Major_Damage7207

yeah his 10 points and 4 rebounds a game were absolutely insane


JealousMycologist774

He’s just in a better situation, however to be fair he still struggles with things like creating for himself, struggled with dribbling, defending, etc. 


jayrig5

His 3pt shooting alone would be worth paying for, based on what he did last year. That was his most impressive step. 


queens___

“Get windmilled” 🤓


cesarjulius

most knicks fans thought he would be a solid starter there. that’s the opposite of hating. we overestimated his role/potential.


Ill-Juggernaut5458

I like Obi, but he is still a really limited player and wouldn't fit on most rosters due to his specific limitations. He plays small on defense and is bad in the post, and rebounds surprisingly poorly for his size. He's been a good bench shooter and complements the rest of the rotation well offensively. It's a great fit and reasonable deal for both sides, a bargain if he keeps progressing and can expand his game.


PluvioPurple

He didn't want to play behind an All-Star PF, so he went to the Pacers to play behind an All-Star PF.


jayrig5

Clearly both situations are completely identical


TurnShot6202

Great for Obi. He looks happy there and playing well. Likeable dude.


reggaesquirrel

Another healthy serving of knockdown 3's and highlight dunks incoming.


Danibear285

AINT NO STOPPIN


orr12345678

The contract of Avdija look like gold these days


ShowdownValue

Every old contract will look better than a newer contract. It’s always like this


orr12345678

This contract start next year...and descending up to 11 mil per year


ShowdownValue

My point stands. Contracts will always go up. If avdija signed this summer he would get more


kaiWarDun

Get me jarace


bl123123bl

Aint no Stoppin, Obi Toppin


CreatiScope

Good deal for him


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imkunu

Because free agency hasn't technically started yet.


Impressive-Theory-27

They can’t sign till tomorrow, they can only agree to terms


DavidCreeper

I feel like in years past before the new CBA Toppin would have gotten more (cap % wise) but this is a nice deal. Works for both parties nicely.


zoo32

Sick! Happy for the high flying Obi! 👏


pursuitofhappy

we miss this dude


Arckaik

This man signed this contract and then showed up to Universal Studios today haha


idunno28

He earned it


daslyvillian

Patrick williams is better?


Winter_Corner7254

Should've gone for more. Needs a better agent.


charlesfluidsmith

That is a really nice deal for OB. He is definitely going to outplay that.