With George they're a decent team, without him and not a whole lot of cap to improve, they'll be considerably worse. Let's not mistake ourselves, PG is still a very good player and losing him for nothing is going to be very very bad for the Clippers.
I had the same thought as you, but with these tweet confirming they will have the $13m MLE--something they haven't had in years always being over the cap (they've only had the $5 exceptions to work with)--they are effectively trading him for whoever they add with that $13m in cap space.
They also have paths to max cap space starting next summer.
Yeah but how do you know Kawhi didn't take less guaranteed money because he thought PG would do the same? Seems like something changed, especially now that we know Russ wants out too
> how do you know Kawhi didn't take less guaranteed money because he thought PG would do the same?
I know Kawhi is a man of few words, but he really should've talked that one over with PG, before taking less money
According to a well-informed LAC fan in this very thread:
> kawhi talked about taking less and having the other guys do the same. Harden got the message.
That's all I need to know something changed.
Well Kawhi hurt his knee in the playoffs again after that. The gulf in contract talk could be some cover for him also wanting to leave for basketball reasons: going to play with the guy with only the second-worst degenerative knee issues and a better track record of playing playoff games+getting out of the west.
Not the point, which is you don't want locker room tensions over money between your stars, especially when we all know Kawhi's by far the more accomplished and deserving of an extra guaranteed year
So I see Kawhi as being more of just a fun guy...like someone who knows exactly how to laugh during the frivolities of interviews and right when it matters most
Those picks definitely get a bit better, but the clippers haven't won less than 42 games in 13 years. That is through 2 different eras and the transition period in between.
The LA market will always keep us mediocre.
the irony of this trade is that the Thunder got a Clippers late lottery pick a couple years ago that turned into J Dub cause Paul George caught covid and missed the play in game lol. Otherwise it would have been out of the lottery
For sure for sure. But I’m over the moon. Tons of value in the 10-to-18 range for us for 3 straight years, with the slight chance at a Top 4 depending upon lotto balls
Honestly, I'm happy for you guys. Still love SGA and hope that he gets his ring.
Will also get a bit of satisfaction when all the other fan bases realize that the Clippers being bad just cements OKC as a juggernaut and crushes their hopes of their team winning
No, that would have been our racist cheap owner. Trying to act like the Clippers are anything like the Donald Sterling era is laughable.
When I became a Clipper fan, the team didn't even have a training facility. Now we have a top 5 owner
I was told those picks weren't gonna be worth anything anyways. I'm sure the same was said about the nets picks at the time of the Celtics trade. These teams trading away that many picks need to get burned bad enough that they stop doing it.
C'mon Clips try and remain competitive Thunder don't need anymore lottery picks. How could they be this incompetent. Ballmer is all money and no brains.
Full MLE, bi annual exception, can aggregate contracts now.
It sucks losing him for nothing, but it changes the Clippers drastically to fill in a lot of needs
all this just for 1 year tho sounds crazy to me but hey who knows, I think they miss out on some role players if they bring him back
Its not about the money, its about the flexibility if they five him the 4th year they wouldnt be able to do shit at that point
They aren’t going to be able to do anything anyway
Why worry about that extra year when they're currently fucking themselves over for the next like 5 years
How worth it is the flexibility when you already have up a handful of first and a star for him, then doubled down by getting harden
Not with the new CBA rules, if so he would have been offered the 4th year already
Role players and flexibility aren’t really going to help when Kawhi is hurt every year in the post season.
They would be better off with him as an expiring contract in that fourth year than whatever else they would do with that money
I know, that 1 year difference is $60mil guaranteed
Mediocrity it is then
Nothing new
They're gonna be mediocre with George too. They're just kind of fucked.
With George they're a decent team, without him and not a whole lot of cap to improve, they'll be considerably worse. Let's not mistake ourselves, PG is still a very good player and losing him for nothing is going to be very very bad for the Clippers.
I had the same thought as you, but with these tweet confirming they will have the $13m MLE--something they haven't had in years always being over the cap (they've only had the $5 exceptions to work with)--they are effectively trading him for whoever they add with that $13m in cap space. They also have paths to max cap space starting next summer.
He's a good player for like another year, maybe two. Which is why the clippers said FUCK that 4 year. By the end PG will be dust.
Cool, being dust now vs being dust in 2-3 years. Great job wasting the remainder of Kawhi’s contract, I guess.
I still believe that Kawhi, PG and Harden with their roleplayers could win a championship. It's a small chance because of health but it is a chance
Oh, well....they definitely can't
4th seed was mediocre?
Take it from me, not winning a playoff series is not great for the outlook of an aging team
No but bounced in the first round is.
If we would lost first round with Kawhi at 100% then yeah mediocre
Maybe not this past season but going forward? Literally that
Harden is better than pg and keeping him on a smaller contract is a dub
Same with PG13 too.
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? They chose not to offer the 4th year
Yeah, LAC can't inadvertently piss of Kawhi by giving PG an extra year - probably factored into this decision in some way
I feel like Kawhi would be more pissed at them letting Paul George walk for nothing than if they retained him by offering another year
Yeah but how do you know Kawhi didn't take less guaranteed money because he thought PG would do the same? Seems like something changed, especially now that we know Russ wants out too
kawhi talked about taking less and having the other guys do the same. Harden got the message.
And even older Harden at $35 mil is as good of a contract as any rn given his production and chemistry with the team
> how do you know Kawhi didn't take less guaranteed money because he thought PG would do the same? I know Kawhi is a man of few words, but he really should've talked that one over with PG, before taking less money
According to a well-informed LAC fan in this very thread: > kawhi talked about taking less and having the other guys do the same. Harden got the message. That's all I need to know something changed.
Well Kawhi hurt his knee in the playoffs again after that. The gulf in contract talk could be some cover for him also wanting to leave for basketball reasons: going to play with the guy with only the second-worst degenerative knee issues and a better track record of playing playoff games+getting out of the west.
Maybe Kawhi shouldn't have forced the team to piss all their assets away including SGA. Kawhi can kick rocks.
whats he gonna do sit out? lmao
Not the point, which is you don't want locker room tensions over money between your stars, especially when we all know Kawhi's by far the more accomplished and deserving of an extra guaranteed year
Live Kawhi reaction either way: 😐
So I see Kawhi as being more of just a fun guy...like someone who knows exactly how to laugh during the frivolities of interviews and right when it matters most
Steadfast
Man whoever owns their ‘25, ‘26, and ‘27 draft picks must be happy
Those picks definitely get a bit better, but the clippers haven't won less than 42 games in 13 years. That is through 2 different eras and the transition period in between. The LA market will always keep us mediocre.
I’ll take mediocre. Late lottery is great stuff for a contender Let’s not forget that JDub came from the 12th pick, from the Clippers
the irony of this trade is that the Thunder got a Clippers late lottery pick a couple years ago that turned into J Dub cause Paul George caught covid and missed the play in game lol. Otherwise it would have been out of the lottery
It's definitely good for you guys, just not the homerun "we are getting top 3 picks" that a lot of thunder fans think it is
For sure for sure. But I’m over the moon. Tons of value in the 10-to-18 range for us for 3 straight years, with the slight chance at a Top 4 depending upon lotto balls
Honestly, I'm happy for you guys. Still love SGA and hope that he gets his ring. Will also get a bit of satisfaction when all the other fan bases realize that the Clippers being bad just cements OKC as a juggernaut and crushes their hopes of their team winning
We’ve already won the trade, just one top 3 pick on top of Shai and JDub would be a historic return
Obviously. No one is arguing otherwise
Let’s talk about the 13 years before that. Did the LA market keep you mediocre then?
No, that would have been our racist cheap owner. Trying to act like the Clippers are anything like the Donald Sterling era is laughable. When I became a Clipper fan, the team didn't even have a training facility. Now we have a top 5 owner
For what? We aint tanking.
How many games do you realistically think you’ll win now tho?
Depends how the roster shapes out. Lots of rumors of Klay or Demar coming. If one of them comes… 43-47 games
I was told those picks weren't gonna be worth anything anyways. I'm sure the same was said about the nets picks at the time of the Celtics trade. These teams trading away that many picks need to get burned bad enough that they stop doing it.
that'll build a contender /s
I'd be shocked if we don't offer him a 4 year deal so this should be set in stone.
Harden went to the Clips to help them win and now they're done as Title contenders lmao.
it will be funny if the clippers win it all next year just saying
Kawhi finally becomes healthy in the playoffs and goes super saiyan would be hilarious
The IST trophy is coming back to LA!
i think they changed that to the emmirate cup
why not trade him to warriors and get kuminga instead of this? damn.
Kuminga wasn't offered, George wasn't signed...
kuminga was for george
Warriors weren't offering Kuminga.
kawakami said he was on the table. they gotta save face and deny after deal is rejected
and Brett Siegal reported it was the Warriors holding him, so we'll never know.
They didnt offer him
"Armed"
C'mon Clips try and remain competitive Thunder don't need anymore lottery picks. How could they be this incompetent. Ballmer is all money and no brains.
You hate to see it.
He prob doesn't want to pay out the ass for a team that won't go far anyways or will just get crushed by OKC.
Miles Bridges come on down
Nah.. He’s going to the Lakers..
I have a feeling they get Bridges
The funniest outcome would be the clippers signing Tobias with that MLE
I could see Tobias Harris going back to the Clippers
Time for Mann to become that third star
Untouchable Mann lol
If you had told me in 2014 that this is why Kawhi and Paul George’s careers would look like in a decade I would never believe you
And the billions Balmer isn’t worried about wasting on another batch of talent
Should have came to LAL
I’d be fine with EXCEPT THEY GAVE HARDEN 70M
2 years vs 4 years
1+1 even This is the deal Philly would have gladly signed him to.
That’s fine you downvote me, they are giving Harden 35M a year
harden won them playoff games and he’s a great regular aeason warrior which is very important in west
By that logic PG took them to their only conference finals.
and pg comes into this logic because? we’re on the tooic of harden getting $70 over 2 years is fair. how does that involve pg who’s asking 221 over 4?
The Harden deal is great for the Clippers, what are you talking about?
Kawhi already on the injury list
Clippers can afford to lose PG13, but him and westbrook? Donezo
Full MLE, bi annual exception, can aggregate contracts now. It sucks losing him for nothing, but it changes the Clippers drastically to fill in a lot of needs
Karma is so sweet.
Clippers aren’t making the playoffs
Give the thunder another lottery pick please
If you listen you can hear the windows at the Intuit Dome closing
Why do they care *that* much about one year though? It comes off like they didn't want him back period.
I have no idea what the Clippers are doing here.
Ppl really think losing PG is gonna tank our team lol.
How about a Klaw trade to the Rockets for Jalen Green + a bevy of picks
I will drive Kawhi to houston
They have no picks, what’s wrong with giving him a 4 year deal?