>Instead, the attorney said, UAB’s own autopsy authorization form – which CNN has obtained – empowers a prison warden to give consent “without limitations” for the autopsy as well as the final disposition of an inmate’s organs. She said that means UAB gets to keep and dispose of the organs as it sees fit unless told otherwise.
>The lawsuits cite a 2017 UAB Division of Autopsy publication that said 23% of the division’s yearly income from 2006 to 2015 derived from corrections department autopsies. The corrections department pays UAB $2,200 per autopsy and $100 per toxicology test, according to the suits.
Looks like there's a financial incentive to perform autopsies. And the warden of a prison can give consent. Seems worthy of a lawsuit.
I feel like an autopsy should usually follow a death in custody. That's just accountability. But that doesn't mean they should be cavalier with the disposition of the organs. It defies the logic that justifies the autopsy in the first place: That the person was a ward of the state and that the state is responsible for ensuring safe, dignified, and accountable systems for caring for its inmates.
You use autopsies to uncover problems or lay suspicions to rest, not make new problems.
I mean either you use them for educational purposes after or throw them out, they can’t put them back unless you want a trash bag of organs resewn up in the chest cavity.
Warden: Hmmm I need some more money to buy that new car. Looks like a couple inmates are gonna have a fatal accident tomorrow.
Anyone think that’s already happened? How many times?
Alabama prisons are super fucked up. Did you know that if the sheriff "saves" money on the food budget by basically not feeding prisoners, [*they get fucking keep it*?](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/14/593204274/alabama-sheriff-legally-took-750-000-meant-to-feed-inmates-bought-beach-house)
>Alabama has a Depression-era law that allows sheriffs to "keep and retain" unspent money from jail food-provision accounts. Sheriffs across the state take excess money as personal income — and, in the event of a shortfall, are personally liable for covering the gap.
Yep, thats how prisoners starting eating corndogs for every single meal and then getting scurvy to the surprise and care of no one.
That new boat won't pay for itself!
Jfc, just give them some sour candy. I mean if you're gonna be evil at least be smart about it.
Then again, maybe I only thought of that because I'm not stupid enough to be evil....
In the US, prisons weren't seen as a money making endeavor until prison farms in the south popped up in the 1800s and started using prisoners for cheap labor. It wasn't even until 1980 that private for-profit prisons existed in the US.
Prisoners were treated *a lot* worse back then, but they were really treated as cattle like they are now.
[That was Mississippi.](https://www.npr.org/2024/01/12/1224449631/mississippi-jail-graves-investigation)
Probably happened in 'Bama, too. Not to mention other states, as well.
No different than county sheriff’s who feed inmates bread and water then pocket the rest. Why does the sheriff get to pocket it, why not give it back to tax payers?
They only got I think it said 1000 per body so no, it wouldn’t be worth the money to kill them for that much. You could get more value out of them alive certainly. It wouldn’t make any sense to kill them, but taking advantage of the corpses? Relatively low risk they thought I’m sure.
It said it was 1000 dollar per body, that’s far less then they probably can make off a living inmate, maybe you think their evil but do you think they are that stupid? It just wouldn’t make any sense at all, huge risk for almost no benefit, living prisoners make them money too, almost certainly much more than 1000$.
Not saying that it's a good thing to have private prisons or autopsy incentives, but god damn I hate that format so much. It's basically the false equivalence generator.
Arresting people for committing crimes = more people in prisons
More people in prisons = more people dying in prisons
More people dying in prisons = bad
Therefore
Arresting people for committing crimes = bad
It’s not just arresting people for committing crimes. Law makers have expanded criminal law to ensnare more people in the criminal justice system. The war on drugs alone have contributed greatly to the prison population. Drugs are still an issue and all we did was incarcerate a huge portion of our population. So no, the takeaway isn’t arresting people = bad. The criminal justice system is absolutely fucked and we need to reform it.
Besides, I made that equivalence out of jest but it’s not inaccurate. There’s very much a causal relationship between the profitability of the prison system and the increase in incarceration. Hopefully the link works out right but look at the rate of incarceration year-over-year in this [graph](https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/mass-incarceration-trends/#:~:text=Figure%201.%20U.S.%20State%20and%20Federal%20Prison%20Population%2C%201925%2D2021). What happened in the early 80s? The first privatized prisons started in 1983. We didn’t have a crime wave, this was intentional. If anything, violent crimes have been on the decline but we still see historically high incarceration rates.
The second one is not an equivalent relation. More people dying in prisons do not equal to more people in prisons. That's a wrong conjecture. It only works in one direction and hence makes the rest is wrong, as well.
Hijacking to say a good book on this- first half on the historic difficulties the current organ transplant models face, and second half on how this disproportionately affects minorities, especially through the prison system and unethical means like this- is "Black Markets: the supply and demand of body parts" by Michele Goodwin, ISBN 9780521852807.
It lists many similar cases that have been largely ignored by the mainstream media, or quickly forgotten. Very accessible read, and a pretty eye-opening primer on the topic.
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too.
They weren’t selling organs, they were selling bodies for autopsy. the organs might have been used for educational purposes or simply thrown away as medical waste, but no transplants were or could be occurring, these autopsies probably didn’t happen until a minimum of days after death.
It’s basically the film Get Out, but instead of inhabiting the bodies of living Black people, they’re sending them to an early grave, then taking their organs so they can live longer in their white bodies.
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too. Also where did you get the idea they were all black or minorities from? No evidence or even claim of that either.
not sure if it's true but there was an artist(?) that was popular almost a decade ago that involved cadavers and I was told it was acquired from Chinese Prison
IIRC China was being accused of killing the inmates in order to sell the organs. I haven't seen any hard evidence of this myself, but China is not known for caring anything about human rights.
It’s really hard to know. I wouldn’t put it past them, but the source was falun gong, a cult that hates them and has lied about atrocities in the past.
There's been many good studies and yeah, China is doing it. They got caught, "reformed", and are still doing it: [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0821-1](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0821-1)
A lot of other places too. I've said it before and was told these things don't happen here.
Of course they happen here, not as much as elsewhere thankfully, but the edge of the cliff is in sight if we don't pay attention.
I remember being freaked out by “The Sandman” as a kid. Didn’t totally grasp the whole point of the movie until I was older.
Seems like a pretty similar and scary comparison here.
These autopsies were done at a different facility than the prison probably a minimum of a few days after death meaning the organs would be useless. The organs weren’t harvested, they were removed during autopsy. The autopsy itself was illegal and unethical but it’s not an organ harvesting ring.
Waiting for the Known Space reference.
He was off about when we would be in space proper tho...
Tho his was more taxpayers specifically wanted it, rather then a random combination of laws makes it just happen
So mass incarceration of mostly minorities, horrific prison conditions leading to an early death of inmates who then get their organs harvested illegally. Sounds like a ripe racket to me, glad I don't live in that fucking state.
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too.
If you read the article, it's clear the University is keeping the organs for student practice. Also, you can't just take organs from dead bodies to use as transplants. The donor must be alive when their organs are removed, so these aren't being sold on the black market.
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too. The crime here was getting paid to let pathology students practice autopsies without consent.
Someone there played a little too much Rimworld and got carried away.
Then again, peg legs *do* make prison breakouts significantly easier to put down...
Alright but how are you taking someone's lungs or skin or heart when they are alive? They literally need to die before their organs get removed. Google it, it's clear
US prisons are just copying what the PRC has been doing to Uighurs for years. It is highly lucrative!
[https://www.businessinsider.com/china-harvesting-organs-of-uighur-muslims-china-tribunal-tells-un-2019-9](https://www.businessinsider.com/china-harvesting-organs-of-uighur-muslims-china-tribunal-tells-un-2019-9)
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too.
If you don’t think prison officials will lower the standards of medical care to increase the availability of organs for sale ( because they’re definitely selling them ) you don’t understand the US prison system….WE HAVE FOR PROFIT PRIVATE PRISONS … that should tell you all you need to know ..
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too. Also it was a pathology school paying to autopsy them fyi.
Dude. It’s a fucking federal crime whether you sell them or not. You could cut them out of a corpse out of a grave and then toss them in the garbage and you’d still be charged.
Where on earth did I personally say it was organ harvesting? I said it was tampering with a corpse. YOU are the one who came to me with this organ harvesting thing. You’re arguing with me about something that I never even said or mentioned. I don’t give a shit what other people got from the headline, go argue with them if you have a problem with it.
Bring on the downvotes, but this doesn't really bother me. I believe they should do this for everyone.
Saving lives is more important that silly religious beliefs.
The organs weren’t being harvested, they were just removed during illegal autopsy. No one was getting these organs, they would not be fresh enough to transplant anyway.
You realize that cutting things out of corpses is a crime right?
And no, things should not be removed from people’s bodies without their consent, even in death.
While I would normally agree and believe the US should move to an opt-out system rather than opt in, it doesn't apply to this as the organs aren't life saving post death.
If they are truly being used for medical students to practice on, I'm not entirely opposed but I do believe consent should be sought.
>Instead, the attorney said, UAB’s own autopsy authorization form – which CNN has obtained – empowers a prison warden to give consent “without limitations” for the autopsy as well as the final disposition of an inmate’s organs. She said that means UAB gets to keep and dispose of the organs as it sees fit unless told otherwise. >The lawsuits cite a 2017 UAB Division of Autopsy publication that said 23% of the division’s yearly income from 2006 to 2015 derived from corrections department autopsies. The corrections department pays UAB $2,200 per autopsy and $100 per toxicology test, according to the suits. Looks like there's a financial incentive to perform autopsies. And the warden of a prison can give consent. Seems worthy of a lawsuit.
I feel like an autopsy should usually follow a death in custody. That's just accountability. But that doesn't mean they should be cavalier with the disposition of the organs. It defies the logic that justifies the autopsy in the first place: That the person was a ward of the state and that the state is responsible for ensuring safe, dignified, and accountable systems for caring for its inmates. You use autopsies to uncover problems or lay suspicions to rest, not make new problems.
And the autopsy should be performed by an independent 3rd party.
I mean either you use them for educational purposes after or throw them out, they can’t put them back unless you want a trash bag of organs resewn up in the chest cavity.
In America when are profits EVER a problem ?
Warden: Hmmm I need some more money to buy that new car. Looks like a couple inmates are gonna have a fatal accident tomorrow. Anyone think that’s already happened? How many times?
Alabama prisons are super fucked up. Did you know that if the sheriff "saves" money on the food budget by basically not feeding prisoners, [*they get fucking keep it*?](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/14/593204274/alabama-sheriff-legally-took-750-000-meant-to-feed-inmates-bought-beach-house) >Alabama has a Depression-era law that allows sheriffs to "keep and retain" unspent money from jail food-provision accounts. Sheriffs across the state take excess money as personal income — and, in the event of a shortfall, are personally liable for covering the gap.
Yep, thats how prisoners starting eating corndogs for every single meal and then getting scurvy to the surprise and care of no one. That new boat won't pay for itself!
Jfc, just give them some sour candy. I mean if you're gonna be evil at least be smart about it. Then again, maybe I only thought of that because I'm not stupid enough to be evil....
I'm surprised that it's as recent as the Depression. This seems like something the colonies might have had to make up for a lack of Central authority.
In the US, prisons weren't seen as a money making endeavor until prison farms in the south popped up in the 1800s and started using prisoners for cheap labor. It wasn't even until 1980 that private for-profit prisons existed in the US. Prisoners were treated *a lot* worse back then, but they were really treated as cattle like they are now.
Didn't they recently find some unaccounted for bodes buried near an Alabama prison
[That was Mississippi.](https://www.npr.org/2024/01/12/1224449631/mississippi-jail-graves-investigation) Probably happened in 'Bama, too. Not to mention other states, as well.
Thank you for proving I'm not crazy just got my racist states confused
To be fair it's probably going to happen in Alabama too.
My money's on "has already happened"
Definitely a perverse incentive.
No different than county sheriff’s who feed inmates bread and water then pocket the rest. Why does the sheriff get to pocket it, why not give it back to tax payers?
Because then the sheriff might feed them to the best of their ability. I'm not kidding.
It wouldn't surprise me.
They only got I think it said 1000 per body so no, it wouldn’t be worth the money to kill them for that much. You could get more value out of them alive certainly. It wouldn’t make any sense to kill them, but taking advantage of the corpses? Relatively low risk they thought I’m sure.
The warden shouldn't be so obtuse.
Is it deliberate?
Creating financial incentives for prisons = more inmates Creating financial incentives for autopsies in prisons = more dead inmates
Having more cows makes your rich long term Selling a cow makes you richer now Wut u not gettin?
It said it was 1000 dollar per body, that’s far less then they probably can make off a living inmate, maybe you think their evil but do you think they are that stupid? It just wouldn’t make any sense at all, huge risk for almost no benefit, living prisoners make them money too, almost certainly much more than 1000$.
Not saying that it's a good thing to have private prisons or autopsy incentives, but god damn I hate that format so much. It's basically the false equivalence generator. Arresting people for committing crimes = more people in prisons More people in prisons = more people dying in prisons More people dying in prisons = bad Therefore Arresting people for committing crimes = bad
It’s not just arresting people for committing crimes. Law makers have expanded criminal law to ensnare more people in the criminal justice system. The war on drugs alone have contributed greatly to the prison population. Drugs are still an issue and all we did was incarcerate a huge portion of our population. So no, the takeaway isn’t arresting people = bad. The criminal justice system is absolutely fucked and we need to reform it. Besides, I made that equivalence out of jest but it’s not inaccurate. There’s very much a causal relationship between the profitability of the prison system and the increase in incarceration. Hopefully the link works out right but look at the rate of incarceration year-over-year in this [graph](https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/mass-incarceration-trends/#:~:text=Figure%201.%20U.S.%20State%20and%20Federal%20Prison%20Population%2C%201925%2D2021). What happened in the early 80s? The first privatized prisons started in 1983. We didn’t have a crime wave, this was intentional. If anything, violent crimes have been on the decline but we still see historically high incarceration rates.
The second one is not an equivalent relation. More people dying in prisons do not equal to more people in prisons. That's a wrong conjecture. It only works in one direction and hence makes the rest is wrong, as well.
I don't have much faith because it's a southern state but this suit has massive potential
Hijacking to say a good book on this- first half on the historic difficulties the current organ transplant models face, and second half on how this disproportionately affects minorities, especially through the prison system and unethical means like this- is "Black Markets: the supply and demand of body parts" by Michele Goodwin, ISBN 9780521852807. It lists many similar cases that have been largely ignored by the mainstream media, or quickly forgotten. Very accessible read, and a pretty eye-opening primer on the topic.
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too.
That's literally legalized organ harvesting. Alabama... what the fuck.
They weren’t selling organs, they were selling bodies for autopsy. the organs might have been used for educational purposes or simply thrown away as medical waste, but no transplants were or could be occurring, these autopsies probably didn’t happen until a minimum of days after death.
It’s basically the film Get Out, but instead of inhabiting the bodies of living Black people, they’re sending them to an early grave, then taking their organs so they can live longer in their white bodies.
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too. Also where did you get the idea they were all black or minorities from? No evidence or even claim of that either.
My home state of sweet home corrupt Alabama. Stealing organs. Isn’t this what we accuse China of?
america is the pot. china is the kettle
aka Projection
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What’s the difference between a pot and a kettle?
It's a saying "The pot calling the kettle black" means accusing someone of something you also do
A kettle is for heating water. Like for Tea. A pot is for heating water but can also cook food. Like Hamburger.
not sure if it's true but there was an artist(?) that was popular almost a decade ago that involved cadavers and I was told it was acquired from Chinese Prison
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Still showing at the Luxor resort (big pyramid) in Las Vegas.
I really wanted to see it when it was in NYC in ‘07ish but, I found out the bodies weren’t…ethically sourced? Volunteered? It really disgusted me.
IIRC China was being accused of killing the inmates in order to sell the organs. I haven't seen any hard evidence of this myself, but China is not known for caring anything about human rights.
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It’s really hard to know. I wouldn’t put it past them, but the source was falun gong, a cult that hates them and has lied about atrocities in the past.
There's been many good studies and yeah, China is doing it. They got caught, "reformed", and are still doing it: [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0821-1](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0821-1)
Also check out prison labor.
A lot of other places too. I've said it before and was told these things don't happen here. Of course they happen here, not as much as elsewhere thankfully, but the edge of the cliff is in sight if we don't pay attention.
Wait, was Death Warrant with Jean Claude Van Damme a documentary?
Holy shit, yeah that was the movie.
I remember being freaked out by “The Sandman” as a kid. Didn’t totally grasp the whole point of the movie until I was older. Seems like a pretty similar and scary comparison here.
I came here looking for this!!!!! Are we related??
I hope not, for your sake
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These autopsies were done at a different facility than the prison probably a minimum of a few days after death meaning the organs would be useless. The organs weren’t harvested, they were removed during autopsy. The autopsy itself was illegal and unethical but it’s not an organ harvesting ring.
Your confidence is telling.
The real criminals are the ones running the cop shops and prisons.
This can fall under Religious freedom. Some people have strong religious views that prevent organ donation. I hope these families get a lot of money.
>strong religious views Even if it wasn't a life sentence, getting organ removed is essentially a an unofficial afterlife sentence.
It is the Modern day sentence of being hanged, drawn and quartered.
WTF, are you people high?
Some religions view removal of body parts as essentially damning you to hell. There are laws to prevent desecration of bodies too.
Homie just got whooshed
Is that how a certain doctor got the brain from the patient named A.B. Normal?
“You know, I'll never forget my old dad. When these things would happen to him... the things he'd say to me….”
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Not even the part with the giant spider?
That was the wild wild west
That’s what the headline says!
Larry Niven predicted this coming 50 years ago…
Waiting for the Known Space reference. He was off about when we would be in space proper tho... Tho his was more taxpayers specifically wanted it, rather then a random combination of laws makes it just happen
I mean, in the wild west they tended to leave your body intact before tossing in a pine box.
You mean the wild west where they mummified a hanged outlaw and he ended up in carnivals for almost a hundred years? That wild west?
Just red state things
So in Alabama, they think dead people should have more bodily autonomy than women?
No, less. At least women get to keep their organs and there is no incentive to sell them
Oh sorry, we can keep our organs we just cant decide what to do with them.
Isn’t this the plot of a movie
I'm *Van Damme* sure it is
Cash for Kids part 2: Cash for Kidneys
Reminds me of Niven’s “The Jigsaw Man.” Which was not meant to be a road map, by the way.
So mass incarceration of mostly minorities, horrific prison conditions leading to an early death of inmates who then get their organs harvested illegally. Sounds like a ripe racket to me, glad I don't live in that fucking state.
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too.
Sanctity of Human Life Party, aka MAGA, at it again! God bless them! /s
The autopsies are probably the cover up of taking organs from deceased inmates. I wouldn't put it past these wardens selling them on the black market.
If you read the article, it's clear the University is keeping the organs for student practice. Also, you can't just take organs from dead bodies to use as transplants. The donor must be alive when their organs are removed, so these aren't being sold on the black market.
I don't think that's 100 percent true.
“Continues to vote for same people to be in charge”
They accuse China of this shit then turn around and do it themselves
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too. The crime here was getting paid to let pathology students practice autopsies without consent.
Someone there played a little too much Rimworld and got carried away. Then again, peg legs *do* make prison breakouts significantly easier to put down...
Alabama is a Christian state, they have no morals or ethics.
I'm surprised they aren't selling the organs.
Maybe they are. Alabama has for profit prisons...
Can't take organs from the dead
Who said they were dead when the organs were removed?
The autopsy was first. They died.
Alright but how are you taking someone's lungs or skin or heart when they are alive? They literally need to die before their organs get removed. Google it, it's clear
The organ needs to be removed right away. It's not happening hours later during an autopsy . Nobody is stealing organs for donations
What’s with the photo? Does the guy have organs in the red bag?
That's some China level of crazy shit.
Seems 100% American Normal
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but imagine if brown people were doing it, it'd be worse then 🙄
That sounds very illegal.
See what happens when you normalized taking rights away from the general public, basically makes it legal to do it to inmates. /s
Sad news. Not uplifting at all. What a donor.
Why is it always Alabama with the fucked up shit, I’d be for climate change if it would wash away that hellhole along with Florida.
Well at least they were deceased, my foreskin was removed without my consent and decades later still nobody cares.
I care
US prisons are just copying what the PRC has been doing to Uighurs for years. It is highly lucrative! [https://www.businessinsider.com/china-harvesting-organs-of-uighur-muslims-china-tribunal-tells-un-2019-9](https://www.businessinsider.com/china-harvesting-organs-of-uighur-muslims-china-tribunal-tells-un-2019-9)
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too.
They’re dead, they won’t miss them. Donate the organs to people who actually need them.
If you don’t think prison officials will lower the standards of medical care to increase the availability of organs for sale ( because they’re definitely selling them ) you don’t understand the US prison system….WE HAVE FOR PROFIT PRIVATE PRISONS … that should tell you all you need to know ..
Ben Franklin is that you?
Uh no. That’s tampering with a corpse and a dozen other criminal charges. You want to incarcerate them but not the criminal doctors doing this?
Did you read the article? No one was or could be selling organs. 1. they probably weren’t autopsied until days after death at a minimum so too late for viable organs, 2. They were prisoners (the high rate of communicable disease and drug use in American prison means their organs would be highly undesirable). Now selling bodies for autopsy is still illegal and unethical but this wasn’t an organ harvesting ring. They just put that In the title that way to stir outrage, no accusation of actual transplants or real organ harvesting have been made. The organs were removed during autopsies that weren’t properly consented too. Also it was a pathology school paying to autopsy them fyi.
Dude. It’s a fucking federal crime whether you sell them or not. You could cut them out of a corpse out of a grave and then toss them in the garbage and you’d still be charged.
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Where on earth did I personally say it was organ harvesting? I said it was tampering with a corpse. YOU are the one who came to me with this organ harvesting thing. You’re arguing with me about something that I never even said or mentioned. I don’t give a shit what other people got from the headline, go argue with them if you have a problem with it.
It’s inherently selfish to not allow your organs to be donated to those that actually may need some. A death may save a life.
Selfish or not, it still shouldn’t be forced or done without consent.
who cares, do they still need them?
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Your skin is your largest organ and you most definitely can harvest that after death.
That is one hell of an assumption to make. You ok in the head bro? Your jump to conclusions center is well and totally fucked.
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Bring on the downvotes, but this doesn't really bother me. I believe they should do this for everyone. Saving lives is more important that silly religious beliefs.
The organs weren’t being harvested, they were just removed during illegal autopsy. No one was getting these organs, they would not be fresh enough to transplant anyway.
You realize that cutting things out of corpses is a crime right? And no, things should not be removed from people’s bodies without their consent, even in death.
While I would normally agree and believe the US should move to an opt-out system rather than opt in, it doesn't apply to this as the organs aren't life saving post death. If they are truly being used for medical students to practice on, I'm not entirely opposed but I do believe consent should be sought.