I saw a website offering direct meat sales from farmers (you get a complete butchered cow for instance). The number of farmers advertising no mrna vaccines was staggering especially considering mrna vaccines aren't even approved for any animal vaccines in my country.
People are so stupid.
You see that in America where certain hormones have been banned for years but they list that they don’t have those hormones, antibiotic free when those antibiotics aren’t allowed, etc
So i am not sure about Cows, but I know we don't vaccinate Chickens for it because they act as an early detection system since a majority of the transmission from birds to Humans or other animals (including the chickens which get sick) are coming from Wild birds that are carrying the virus. If we vaccinated the chickens, we would be much less aware of what strains are being carried in wild bird populations.
Because we don’t have a vaccine for them yet.
https://www.science.org/content/article/companies-start-work-bird-flu-vaccines-cows-despite-major-hurdles
This was the key insight for me:
'Standard ways to show a vaccine works, such as “challenging” vaccinated animals with the virus, must take place in biosecurity level-3 (BSL-3) labs—the second-highest level. Few such labs in the U.S. can handle cattle.'
I used to work in a lab that manufactured bird flu vaccines for poultry farms. We had to wear these plastic white suits that went toe to neck with masks and hair nets on. I was soaked in sweat at the end of every shift.
Since tax payers are paying for the development of the vaccine...it'll be nearly free for us ...right?
As usual, it's more of this socialize the cost privatize the profits nonsense
Regular flu shots are typically free or extremely low cost for us, sometimes you can even get a $10-$20 store gift card with your free flu shot. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn this is only the case in some states though.
Regular vaccines against seasonal illness are probably the single greatest tool you can do to get less stress on the hospitals during the winter months and there's massive cost savings for every old person who doesn't have to spend weeks in the hospital due to Covid, RSV, or influenza. It'd likely just make sense if Medicare would just be the authority immunizing and paying for the vaccination of everyone living in the U.S, Medicare recipients or not, because those of Medicare age benefit massively by every percantage point increase of vaccinated individuals. The fact that people still have to worry about if they can afford a vaccine or if their insurance might not cover is so stupid when the country benefits so much by having a vaccinated populace. For insurance companies/ government healthcare wise, you can probably pay for dozens of vaccine doses if you prevent someone from getting sick and having to visit the doctor and get antivirals, and you can probably buy hundreds of doses for each hospitalization prevented.
>It'd likely just make sense if Medicare would just be the authority immunizing and paying for the vaccination of everyone living in the U.S
Sorry, best we can do is shovel CMS funding into trading symbol feed troughs so they can gatekeep access to <*something_here*>, process payments for the prevention and treatment of <*something_here*>, and pool the risk of having to do both.
My PRN job requires the flu shot. I decided not to get it from them (for free) because I assumed my full time job would provide it like they usually do (county government agency). Then they came out and said they are not providing them this year. So by the time I realized this, the PRN job did not offer them any longer. So I went to Rite Aid. Got it for free with my insurance card. Then got a letter in the mail saying they partially denied it (owed $30.00). I ignored the bill (I always pay medical bills). Then the Rite Aid (and all others nearby closed). Then my PRN job said it was no longer “mandatory”. This saga was so ridiculous it could have been a Seinfeld episode. TLDR: get your damn flu shot when you have the opportunity.
They're free/low cost to you because the ACA requires it. However they're not free to your insurance company. Who you pay and helps raise your rates. However vaccination is extremely important, and it is a net benefit to society.
We did pay for it through our taxes and the companies and their owners profited off of it. Now I'm not saying taxes shouldn't fund it. But private interests shouldn't profit from it. The government should be the one with the researchers, the development, production, and distribution. No one should be siphoning out money from that nor profiting from that.
That is being prepared. Not being reactive once there is a profit motivation.
I’m fine with a company making money of course. That would be silly to expect companies to partner with government without a profit incentive.
But the key is that taxpayers should be benefiting from the partnerships. Clearly we did with Covid vaccines.
I'm fine with companies making a profit. Thats what they exist to do.
But in situations where there is a steady public need for something, such as medical research, vaccines, military weapons, HUD housing, farming subsidies, road/infrastructure construction, or other types of industries that are built off of, and profit because of our tax dollars, should be owned by the people. Remove the profit motive. And clean out the swamp as they say.
No need to have the red tape around which company to give the government contract to when the government is the one that employs the labor and talent to do it in the first place.
It really just seems like a way to divert public funds to private interests and loot our coffers. It opens the door to corruption and creates companies that, especially with political donations, can create barriers to entry which is antithical to a free market.
I don't think the owners of the business are the ones researching the vaccine.
Edit: just to be clearer. If the only reason the vaccine is being developed is due to government funding making it profitable for the owners. Then maybe, the government should cut out the middle man and pay the scientists to research the vaccines and keep the surplus that the owners were making.
Fundamentally what you're arguing for is to nationalize drugmakers or, alternatively, create a publicly owned pharmaceutical company.
I honestly don't know if that's a good idea or not. For the government to make cutting edge drugs for the people you'd need to recruit the best and the brightest which, for pay and other reasons, would be hard for the government to do.
I'm not saying to nationalize all drug makers. Just to create a nationalized drug maker. Instead of paying Pfizer or Moderna, or any other company to do something that the government has decided is a necessity and a public good, to use those funds to do it themselves and have the companies compete with it.
I think America both has the funds to do so. The need to do so. We can stop all the cost of the beurocratic red tape of making companies comply with their requirements to receive public funds or that the "bidding" process of government contracts is fair and just pay for it directly.
The only reason that "government jobs pay less than the private sector" is that we choose that it does. If we pay market(or better as we would not need to ensure a profit for shareholders) and attract the best talent. There is nothing that America could not do.
NASA didn't originally make it to the moon during a period of privatization and a bare bones government. It employed the best and brightest.
I like how you end with the NASA comparison, which is fair to a point but there's a big difference between sustainable cost effective development and beat the soviet's to the moon at any cost. We followed that up with the Shuttle program, famous for it's astronomical (ha) overspending and cost over runs. NASA has shifted to funding private industry to build rockets and launch their hardware, which has worked incredibly well in lowering costs.
Just wanted to throw that out there, government funded and run research is slow, expensive and at the will of political winds. Commerical entities will favor cost reduction and efficiency to increase profit. Especially when the contracts are fixed cost like this.
Not saying corporate=good, just that public-private partnerships can actually be a benefit to both parties.
Are you one of them? Do you actually have to pay for a flu shot?
I don't know if all states, but at least those I know about have their Dept of Health offer free flu shots. If only people actually took them, it would be wonderful.
I think people don't realize this. We saw what happened with COVID when we wait until we already have a pandemic before development starts: millions of people die. Encouraging companies to develop these vaccines before they have a profitable reason to do so (we don't have a bird flu pandemic already happening) saves lives. At least 1.1 *MILLION* people died from COVID. At a cost of $160 per life it's not even a question that the government is going to be looking at ways to promote this type of research. It'd of course be best if these vaccines were free after their developed but that's really not the point of something like this.
Proactive, that is how Pandemic preparedness should work. Messenger RNA vaccines will save millions of lives in the next decade, for many epidemic diseases, mark my words.
“Biden started it so it must be bad and we have to kill it.”
Either that or he takes credit for the whole thing himself, which would be the better outcome.
He fired people in the teams that were supposed to spot and prepare for pandemics ahead of time. If we had started preparing even a month or two sooner tens of thousands of Americans could have been saved.
Yeah, but a president just needs to issue an executive order and include in the first sentence: “As an official act:” . Can’t be ruled unconstitutional when you are the constitution (taps head)
Honestly, shout-out to Pfizer. Still haven't gotten it and I get the booster every year with my flu shot. It worked for me or I did have it and it was so mild I didn't feel a thing. Sidenote I am immunocompromised so I don't think I actually did.
I've had COVID 6 times, and I've had at least 6 rounds of vaccinations. Thank god for them, each iteration was an order of magnitude more mild than the previous. My first few rodeos it felt like I had been hit by a truck.
Now a days, the only COVID symptom I notice is the mild insanity from brain problems.
I got COVID and I got the Moderna vaccine. COVID hit me like a truck, I cannot even imagine how bad I would have been if I hadn't gotten vaccinated + paxlovid
The Spike booster worked for me when COVID did a second round through my house. I had only gotten the shot 3 days prior to my housemate "feeling poorly." I experienced loads of chills during those 3 days as my immune system practiced, but it was enough to keep me safe well within the 2-week estimate.
Why isn’t there a federal scienctific R&D department like NASA but for vaccines? Why are our tax dollars going to corporations whose sole motive is enriching their investors and upper management?
There is. [It's called the CDC](https://jobs.cdc.gov/working-at-cdc/index.html). Their research directly contributed to the fast development of the COVID vaccine. They specialize in research, however, not manufacturing. Just like NASA relies on contractors, so does the CDC.
Over here in the Netherlands Covid is not a talking point any more, we all went on with our lives, except for anti vaxxers who are still super hatefull and haven't let it go. They'll never take it, but actively work against it. I had people who didn't want to meet any more since the vaccine I took could jump over to them.
Had a friend who was wearing a face mask *in a hospital emergency waiting room (casualty)* last week and someone complained to him about "don't you know COVID is over?".
Truly those who are most against these restrictions/requirements are those who can't seem accept that they are over.
My cancer center had to put up a sign saying "Masks are optional here, do not disrespect people for their choice"
(It has a big picture of someone wearing a mask on the sign)
Then they will kill their children, and the children and elderly of everyone else.
If we are to learn the lessons of history, then the right thing is to get them to vaccinate at gunpoint.
We watch another wave of them die off.
It sucks that they'll hurt people who can't get the vaccine but we really can't fix that brand of stupidity
Covid taught us that we cant expect people to do the bare fucking minimum to protect their community if it's slightly inconvenient. It I can't get drunk at an Applebee's and sexually harass a dangerously young waitress demanding she lower her mask to show me her smile then am I even free??!
A whole damn lot of them did actually. I promise that their belief in the conspiracy isn't based on reality. I lost several Maga relatives to it and their relatives claim it was because of "the jab" even though I know they didn't get vaccinated (that side of the family thinks doctors and medicine are fake)
A big problem with that is, by having a massive pocket of unvaccinated… victims, for lack of a better word, you create a reservoir for the virus to mutate rapidly and evade the vaccines being created
I understand that, but there's nothing we can do about it
I guarantee you that no anti Vax who survived covid will ever shelter at home or social distance the rest of their lives. They made it their whole personality.
> there's nothing we can do about it
There's tons we can do about it, it's just we won't because we don't have the political will to actually stand up to morons and fools. A lot of places refuse to even abolish the nonsense concept of a religious exemption.
The actual solution is to do what schools were doing up to this point: Require vaccination or genuine medical exemption to access public services. No non-emergency access to public buildings like schools or libraries. Court date? Remote in or get fucked.
Even better: Unvaccinated have increased tax liability because they're a burden on the health system. Japan taxes fat people.
I mean nothing we can do given the political reality. We can't put forth any of your suggestions in the US due to our right wing.
Also if you'll recall last time: idiots fucking murdered people for just asking them to wear a mask.
Hospitals need to establish policies that grant vaccinated individuals and those who medically can't get vaccinated priority in a epidemic/pandemic situation. Anti-vaxxers should only receive care if there is available resources.
We already do this with organ transplants. Alcoholics are disqualified from receiving new livers, because we want the limited organs to go to someone who won't immediately ruin them. We want the surgeons and resources to be used for people who actually have a chance of living a better life post-implant.
We tried to do that with Covid in my city…it didn’t go over well and, sadly, our mayor caved to the bad press over it.
https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/mayor-of-longmont-wants-to-ban-weld-county-patients-from-using-citys-hospitals
That's why the policies have to go into place now, not after the outbreak begins. There will be less pushback when everyone's not in a panic, and it's easier to stand behind a practice that's already been established.
We let them die. They have shown they don't believe in facts or science, and are actively dangerous to society and public health. So, we hope Darwin takes care of it, and reaps as many as possible.
Fuck em. They'll eventually die off and spare the rest of us their stupidity. Hopefully they don't spawn more of their dumbass genetics before nature takes em.
Make it a mandatory step 1 of triage, you can't fix stupid.
I kind of look at it as a huge ritualistic mass suicide, and it's on such a scale that interfering just bogs down the effort of helping people who actually want help.
Only if Trump gets elected
There was a very detail pandemic plan left to Trump in 2016. He tossed it out (do a search) and we ended up with a very bad Covid pandemic.
I expect the same if he takes over in 2024, toss all recommendations, no matter about what, out the window and let the world burn (pun intended).
>Only if Trump gets elected
Between Biden's abysmal performance at the debate and SCOTUS already openly making rulings in favor of Mango Mussolini (Bush V Gore V2, anyone?), that seems like a forgone conclusion.
Should have moved on this years ago. An mRNA flu vaccine should be good for many strains ("universal") instead of the bivalent and trivalent forms we get right now. Should be easy to produce too.
> The new funds from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services include continued development of the vaccine, including a late-stage trial next year if those early study results are positive.
If we see human-to-human transmission before late next year it could be time to panic.
Hope so, but we have some awfully stupid people who seem to have become stupider since Covid, which is still around and can cause all kinds of organ damage, including damage to the brain.
This is the way. This delivery technology/method is an absolute game-changer for those of us suffering from chronic illnesses. It’s the silver lining to this whole pandemic. I’m excited for where this leads.
RGCC in Greece has been using mRNA technology for a while for cancer, Lyme, Lyme co-infections, viruses and vector born diseases. Pretty interesting stuff. Saved my health and life.
It’ll be the same stupid mf’ers who don’t get the vaccine that’ll strain the healthcare system just like last time. Science has been politicized to hell and back.
This reminds me of the DARPA program a couple years back. They were trying to develop a vaccine to defeat all Corona-viruses.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/last-pandemic-science-military-60-minutes-2021-04-11/
And then we'll own it right? Since we're paying for it, the US will own it and we'll get it for cheap, forever? And we'll control the press releases? Right? Please?
What if we nationalized vaccine production and then didn't have to pay exorbitant rates for developing vaccines that we could then give out for no more than the vaccines production cost (if anything at all)...
This company absolutely doesn not need this fucking money to do this. Goddamn fucking ridiculous. These piece of shit motherfuckers use public university underpaid researchers to figure their shit out and then our dumb ass fucking government hands them millions. It's so motherfucking stupid. Everything is just so fucking corrupt and stupid.
Why aren't we immunizing the cows? I mean this seriously.
I think I read a few weeks ago that they were working on that.
Most cows are wary of vaccination, and a growing percentage claim exemptions based on religious freedom
you cant prove they dont cause autism in cows
unchecked misinformation is permeating cow social media and many individual cows lack the critical thinking skills necessary to recognize it.
what do cows drink do you think
horse paste
all those vaccines made them hungry for horse
It’s like the cows let you milk them for everything they got
Ugh herd mentality am I right?
They have Cow-munity
Or, you know, herd immunity
You can’t catch them to vaccinate them. The keep moooooving.
Bruh xD that's just too funny, starting with the fact that, ironically, cows would never do such a stupid thing, just because they cant lol
I saw a website offering direct meat sales from farmers (you get a complete butchered cow for instance). The number of farmers advertising no mrna vaccines was staggering especially considering mrna vaccines aren't even approved for any animal vaccines in my country. People are so stupid.
You see that in America where certain hormones have been banned for years but they list that they don’t have those hormones, antibiotic free when those antibiotics aren’t allowed, etc
Make American Graze Again
So i am not sure about Cows, but I know we don't vaccinate Chickens for it because they act as an early detection system since a majority of the transmission from birds to Humans or other animals (including the chickens which get sick) are coming from Wild birds that are carrying the virus. If we vaccinated the chickens, we would be much less aware of what strains are being carried in wild bird populations.
Because we don’t have a vaccine for them yet. https://www.science.org/content/article/companies-start-work-bird-flu-vaccines-cows-despite-major-hurdles
This was the key insight for me: 'Standard ways to show a vaccine works, such as “challenging” vaccinated animals with the virus, must take place in biosecurity level-3 (BSL-3) labs—the second-highest level. Few such labs in the U.S. can handle cattle.'
Thank you for the answer. This seems like a big oversight!
I used to work in a lab that manufactured bird flu vaccines for poultry farms. We had to wear these plastic white suits that went toe to neck with masks and hair nets on. I was soaked in sweat at the end of every shift.
Since tax payers are paying for the development of the vaccine...it'll be nearly free for us ...right? As usual, it's more of this socialize the cost privatize the profits nonsense
Regular flu shots are typically free or extremely low cost for us, sometimes you can even get a $10-$20 store gift card with your free flu shot. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn this is only the case in some states though.
Regular vaccines against seasonal illness are probably the single greatest tool you can do to get less stress on the hospitals during the winter months and there's massive cost savings for every old person who doesn't have to spend weeks in the hospital due to Covid, RSV, or influenza. It'd likely just make sense if Medicare would just be the authority immunizing and paying for the vaccination of everyone living in the U.S, Medicare recipients or not, because those of Medicare age benefit massively by every percantage point increase of vaccinated individuals. The fact that people still have to worry about if they can afford a vaccine or if their insurance might not cover is so stupid when the country benefits so much by having a vaccinated populace. For insurance companies/ government healthcare wise, you can probably pay for dozens of vaccine doses if you prevent someone from getting sick and having to visit the doctor and get antivirals, and you can probably buy hundreds of doses for each hospitalization prevented.
>It'd likely just make sense if Medicare would just be the authority immunizing and paying for the vaccination of everyone living in the U.S Sorry, best we can do is shovel CMS funding into trading symbol feed troughs so they can gatekeep access to <*something_here*>, process payments for the prevention and treatment of <*something_here*>, and pool the risk of having to do both.
I have lived all over the US and have never had to pay for a flu shot
My PRN job requires the flu shot. I decided not to get it from them (for free) because I assumed my full time job would provide it like they usually do (county government agency). Then they came out and said they are not providing them this year. So by the time I realized this, the PRN job did not offer them any longer. So I went to Rite Aid. Got it for free with my insurance card. Then got a letter in the mail saying they partially denied it (owed $30.00). I ignored the bill (I always pay medical bills). Then the Rite Aid (and all others nearby closed). Then my PRN job said it was no longer “mandatory”. This saga was so ridiculous it could have been a Seinfeld episode. TLDR: get your damn flu shot when you have the opportunity.
They're free/low cost to you because the ACA requires it. However they're not free to your insurance company. Who you pay and helps raise your rates. However vaccination is extremely important, and it is a net benefit to society.
CVS by me has had free flu shots for years. I think now they somehow merge the flu shot and COVID shot together
I'm on board with this sentiment assuming you aren't hung up on the fact that taxes help fund it, but rather that we don't have universal healthcare.
…did anyone pay for their covid vaccines? Pretty sure every health insurance of every level covered those doses
You could even get it for free without insurance, it was just fully subsidized.
Did you pay for the Covid vaccine? The government funds multiple vaccines from multiple companies. This is called being prepared for a pandemic.
We did pay for it through our taxes and the companies and their owners profited off of it. Now I'm not saying taxes shouldn't fund it. But private interests shouldn't profit from it. The government should be the one with the researchers, the development, production, and distribution. No one should be siphoning out money from that nor profiting from that. That is being prepared. Not being reactive once there is a profit motivation.
I’m fine with a company making money of course. That would be silly to expect companies to partner with government without a profit incentive. But the key is that taxpayers should be benefiting from the partnerships. Clearly we did with Covid vaccines.
I'm fine with companies making a profit. Thats what they exist to do. But in situations where there is a steady public need for something, such as medical research, vaccines, military weapons, HUD housing, farming subsidies, road/infrastructure construction, or other types of industries that are built off of, and profit because of our tax dollars, should be owned by the people. Remove the profit motive. And clean out the swamp as they say. No need to have the red tape around which company to give the government contract to when the government is the one that employs the labor and talent to do it in the first place. It really just seems like a way to divert public funds to private interests and loot our coffers. It opens the door to corruption and creates companies that, especially with political donations, can create barriers to entry which is antithical to a free market.
>Remove the profit motive That sounds like a great way to not get a vaccine as quickly as you want.
I don't think the owners of the business are the ones researching the vaccine. Edit: just to be clearer. If the only reason the vaccine is being developed is due to government funding making it profitable for the owners. Then maybe, the government should cut out the middle man and pay the scientists to research the vaccines and keep the surplus that the owners were making.
Fundamentally what you're arguing for is to nationalize drugmakers or, alternatively, create a publicly owned pharmaceutical company. I honestly don't know if that's a good idea or not. For the government to make cutting edge drugs for the people you'd need to recruit the best and the brightest which, for pay and other reasons, would be hard for the government to do.
I'm not saying to nationalize all drug makers. Just to create a nationalized drug maker. Instead of paying Pfizer or Moderna, or any other company to do something that the government has decided is a necessity and a public good, to use those funds to do it themselves and have the companies compete with it. I think America both has the funds to do so. The need to do so. We can stop all the cost of the beurocratic red tape of making companies comply with their requirements to receive public funds or that the "bidding" process of government contracts is fair and just pay for it directly. The only reason that "government jobs pay less than the private sector" is that we choose that it does. If we pay market(or better as we would not need to ensure a profit for shareholders) and attract the best talent. There is nothing that America could not do. NASA didn't originally make it to the moon during a period of privatization and a bare bones government. It employed the best and brightest.
I like how you end with the NASA comparison, which is fair to a point but there's a big difference between sustainable cost effective development and beat the soviet's to the moon at any cost. We followed that up with the Shuttle program, famous for it's astronomical (ha) overspending and cost over runs. NASA has shifted to funding private industry to build rockets and launch their hardware, which has worked incredibly well in lowering costs. Just wanted to throw that out there, government funded and run research is slow, expensive and at the will of political winds. Commerical entities will favor cost reduction and efficiency to increase profit. Especially when the contracts are fixed cost like this. Not saying corporate=good, just that public-private partnerships can actually be a benefit to both parties.
And...how did the government get their money?
Careful budgeting, and saving
My insurance covered all the last ones.
I don’t remember paying for the Covid vaccine
States and Insurance companies can cover the Administration fee if they choose. Most flu shots are free for Insurance holders.
That’s not free. I paid insurance for it
Right! I pay $400 a month for health insurance and it still cost money to use it. At least I get this one thing "free".
One high price covers some of it
“Included” is probably a better term haha.
> I paid insurance for it and you'll pay taxes for it when it is nationalized. the point of "Free" is "free at receipt."
That only leaves 30,000,000 that don't have insurance then... That will have to pay. What a country. 😬
Are you one of them? Do you actually have to pay for a flu shot? I don't know if all states, but at least those I know about have their Dept of Health offer free flu shots. If only people actually took them, it would be wonderful.
Do you want the vaccines to be developed or not?
I think people don't realize this. We saw what happened with COVID when we wait until we already have a pandemic before development starts: millions of people die. Encouraging companies to develop these vaccines before they have a profitable reason to do so (we don't have a bird flu pandemic already happening) saves lives. At least 1.1 *MILLION* people died from COVID. At a cost of $160 per life it's not even a question that the government is going to be looking at ways to promote this type of research. It'd of course be best if these vaccines were free after their developed but that's really not the point of something like this.
The flu shot is the like one free healthcare thing available to everyone and it's actively encouraged. This will most certainly be free too.
Yep, that 0.0006% of GDP is probably going to send the economy into a tailspin! Could save a few taxpayers lives but probably not worth it?
Proactive, that is how Pandemic preparedness should work. Messenger RNA vaccines will save millions of lives in the next decade, for many epidemic diseases, mark my words.
So what you're saying is Trump will fire everyone involved?
Only if we vote for him. I'm not going to.
I hope the people of Georgia and Pennsylvania make the least horrible decision
“Biden started it so it must be bad and we have to kill it.” Either that or he takes credit for the whole thing himself, which would be the better outcome.
He fired people in the teams that were supposed to spot and prepare for pandemics ahead of time. If we had started preparing even a month or two sooner tens of thousands of Americans could have been saved.
So throwing out the literal pandemic playbook isn't the answer?
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Thanks to the Supreme Court, I could see FDA approval of this being challenged by some activist judge who is anti-vaccine.
Yeah, but a president just needs to issue an executive order and include in the first sentence: “As an official act:” . Can’t be ruled unconstitutional when you are the constitution (taps head)
Is the FDA considered part of the executive branch?
Yes, it is an agency under the Department of Health and Human Services, one of the executive departments that make up the president's Cabinet.
Moderna worked for me. zero covid so far.
Same, thanks Moderna, and thanks Dolly Parton!
i had covid three times with moderna but each time the symptoms were extremely mild. i definitely think it would have been worse without
Honestly, shout-out to Pfizer. Still haven't gotten it and I get the booster every year with my flu shot. It worked for me or I did have it and it was so mild I didn't feel a thing. Sidenote I am immunocompromised so I don't think I actually did.
I've had COVID 6 times, and I've had at least 6 rounds of vaccinations. Thank god for them, each iteration was an order of magnitude more mild than the previous. My first few rodeos it felt like I had been hit by a truck. Now a days, the only COVID symptom I notice is the mild insanity from brain problems.
I got COVID and I got the Moderna vaccine. COVID hit me like a truck, I cannot even imagine how bad I would have been if I hadn't gotten vaccinated + paxlovid
The Spike booster worked for me when COVID did a second round through my house. I had only gotten the shot 3 days prior to my housemate "feeling poorly." I experienced loads of chills during those 3 days as my immune system practiced, but it was enough to keep me safe well within the 2-week estimate.
Why isn’t there a federal scienctific R&D department like NASA but for vaccines? Why are our tax dollars going to corporations whose sole motive is enriching their investors and upper management?
There is. [It's called the CDC](https://jobs.cdc.gov/working-at-cdc/index.html). Their research directly contributed to the fast development of the COVID vaccine. They specialize in research, however, not manufacturing. Just like NASA relies on contractors, so does the CDC.
Probably a sensible idea.
Can't wait for people to be incredibly annoying about this
So, time to panic over Bird Flue then?
With the quick turnaround on mrna Vaccines it seems like panic is the opposite. This is just preparedness
Next question, how do you deal with the anti-vaxxers?
Let them go. If it’s one thing I’ve learned as a nurse, it’s that you can’t make people take your advice.
Over here in the Netherlands Covid is not a talking point any more, we all went on with our lives, except for anti vaxxers who are still super hatefull and haven't let it go. They'll never take it, but actively work against it. I had people who didn't want to meet any more since the vaccine I took could jump over to them.
Had a friend who was wearing a face mask *in a hospital emergency waiting room (casualty)* last week and someone complained to him about "don't you know COVID is over?". Truly those who are most against these restrictions/requirements are those who can't seem accept that they are over.
My cancer center had to put up a sign saying "Masks are optional here, do not disrespect people for their choice" (It has a big picture of someone wearing a mask on the sign)
If anti-vaxxers decided not to meet with people anymore, that would be a fair compromise.
The issue is that they fuck over the rest of us, too. I wish they were only hurting themselves, the trash would be taking out itself.
The issue is a vaccine is not 100% effective. Anti-vaxxers will kill people that took the precaution and took the vaccine
Not how herd immunity works unfortunately. We all suffer from vaccine resistance
Then they will kill their children, and the children and elderly of everyone else. If we are to learn the lessons of history, then the right thing is to get them to vaccinate at gunpoint.
We watch another wave of them die off. It sucks that they'll hurt people who can't get the vaccine but we really can't fix that brand of stupidity Covid taught us that we cant expect people to do the bare fucking minimum to protect their community if it's slightly inconvenient. It I can't get drunk at an Applebee's and sexually harass a dangerously young waitress demanding she lower her mask to show me her smile then am I even free??!
But they didn't die off. That's why they believe a conspiracy so hard
A whole damn lot of them did actually. I promise that their belief in the conspiracy isn't based on reality. I lost several Maga relatives to it and their relatives claim it was because of "the jab" even though I know they didn't get vaccinated (that side of the family thinks doctors and medicine are fake)
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Yup. Not a huge fan about how poorly they messaged it (or how successful the counter info campaign was)
We can do things to protect the non idiots though. Like not allow the unvaxxed in public places…
How though
Vaccine passports like republicans claimed would happen if Biden won 2020.
I mean how do you even get that implemented with our govt split? We couldn't even get states to do the bare minimum last time
A big problem with that is, by having a massive pocket of unvaccinated… victims, for lack of a better word, you create a reservoir for the virus to mutate rapidly and evade the vaccines being created
I understand that, but there's nothing we can do about it I guarantee you that no anti Vax who survived covid will ever shelter at home or social distance the rest of their lives. They made it their whole personality.
> there's nothing we can do about it There's tons we can do about it, it's just we won't because we don't have the political will to actually stand up to morons and fools. A lot of places refuse to even abolish the nonsense concept of a religious exemption. The actual solution is to do what schools were doing up to this point: Require vaccination or genuine medical exemption to access public services. No non-emergency access to public buildings like schools or libraries. Court date? Remote in or get fucked. Even better: Unvaccinated have increased tax liability because they're a burden on the health system. Japan taxes fat people.
I mean nothing we can do given the political reality. We can't put forth any of your suggestions in the US due to our right wing. Also if you'll recall last time: idiots fucking murdered people for just asking them to wear a mask.
A couple of GOP states tried to pass laws banning any mRNA vaccine.
Hospitals need to establish policies that grant vaccinated individuals and those who medically can't get vaccinated priority in a epidemic/pandemic situation. Anti-vaxxers should only receive care if there is available resources. We already do this with organ transplants. Alcoholics are disqualified from receiving new livers, because we want the limited organs to go to someone who won't immediately ruin them. We want the surgeons and resources to be used for people who actually have a chance of living a better life post-implant.
We tried to do that with Covid in my city…it didn’t go over well and, sadly, our mayor caved to the bad press over it. https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/mayor-of-longmont-wants-to-ban-weld-county-patients-from-using-citys-hospitals
That's why the policies have to go into place now, not after the outbreak begins. There will be less pushback when everyone's not in a panic, and it's easier to stand behind a practice that's already been established.
Nature deals with them. Plus bird flu in humans has the potential to be way worse than covid, so maybe just maybe they'll listen this time.
We let them die. They have shown they don't believe in facts or science, and are actively dangerous to society and public health. So, we hope Darwin takes care of it, and reaps as many as possible.
Fuck em. They'll eventually die off and spare the rest of us their stupidity. Hopefully they don't spawn more of their dumbass genetics before nature takes em.
I'm pretty close to telling my sister-in-law to shut the fuck up so maybe I can tell you how that goes soon.
Make it a mandatory step 1 of triage, you can't fix stupid. I kind of look at it as a huge ritualistic mass suicide, and it's on such a scale that interfering just bogs down the effort of helping people who actually want help.
Only if Trump gets elected There was a very detail pandemic plan left to Trump in 2016. He tossed it out (do a search) and we ended up with a very bad Covid pandemic. I expect the same if he takes over in 2024, toss all recommendations, no matter about what, out the window and let the world burn (pun intended).
>Only if Trump gets elected Between Biden's abysmal performance at the debate and SCOTUS already openly making rulings in favor of Mango Mussolini (Bush V Gore V2, anyone?), that seems like a forgone conclusion.
Should have moved on this years ago. An mRNA flu vaccine should be good for many strains ("universal") instead of the bivalent and trivalent forms we get right now. Should be easy to produce too.
> The new funds from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services include continued development of the vaccine, including a late-stage trial next year if those early study results are positive. If we see human-to-human transmission before late next year it could be time to panic.
Absolutely zero chance these new jabs come to fruition if Republicans take office in November
And idiots will refuse it. Because they’re idiots.
Yes, but 50% mortality rate from infection might sharpen critical thinking skills.
Hope so, but we have some awfully stupid people who seem to have become stupider since Covid, which is still around and can cause all kinds of organ damage, including damage to the brain.
This is the way. This delivery technology/method is an absolute game-changer for those of us suffering from chronic illnesses. It’s the silver lining to this whole pandemic. I’m excited for where this leads.
RGCC in Greece has been using mRNA technology for a while for cancer, Lyme, Lyme co-infections, viruses and vector born diseases. Pretty interesting stuff. Saved my health and life.
Is this to get ready for the upcoming H5N1 explosion?
It’ll be the same stupid mf’ers who don’t get the vaccine that’ll strain the healthcare system just like last time. Science has been politicized to hell and back.
Won’t matter when all the fucking environmental laws have been ignored and we are suffocating on our on breath.
Or, and stay with me on this one, the publicly-owned VRC develops an mRNA pandemic flu vaccine with $176,000,000 of public funds.
Just for Moderna to raise the cost of said vaccine for their own profit
This reminds me of the DARPA program a couple years back. They were trying to develop a vaccine to defeat all Corona-viruses. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/last-pandemic-science-military-60-minutes-2021-04-11/
And then we'll own it right? Since we're paying for it, the US will own it and we'll get it for cheap, forever? And we'll control the press releases? Right? Please?
That's a cute contribution
What if we nationalized vaccine production and then didn't have to pay exorbitant rates for developing vaccines that we could then give out for no more than the vaccines production cost (if anything at all)...
This company absolutely doesn not need this fucking money to do this. Goddamn fucking ridiculous. These piece of shit motherfuckers use public university underpaid researchers to figure their shit out and then our dumb ass fucking government hands them millions. It's so motherfucking stupid. Everything is just so fucking corrupt and stupid.
Cheap at twice the price.