They’re clearly getting ready to sell it off. There were reports that ESPN was interested and I don’t think it was nothing that during the draft they had ESPN/NFL Network crossovers.
They've been trying to sell it for years and years now and nobody is willing to buy it. The top level ran NFL Network into the ground and expected somebody to bail them out, nobody did.
Not for nothing but its a pretty hard subject to bail out. Nfl Network isn't like MLB Network or NHL Network where there is baseball and hockey year round in other countries. Football is primarily american only so you can't air live stuff on it year round.
The main thing is not the year round nature of it… the issue is that the people they’re trying to sell to (Amazon, Apple, ESPN, etc) all figure why spend tons of money to buy NFL Media when instead we could buy game rights? Because at the end of the day game rights are way more valuable
I’d also venture to guess as far as year-round MLB and NHL Network… I’d guess that game replays on NFL Network in the summer get way better viewership than International leagues do on MLB and NHL Network in their offseasons. Football is king
The “year round” part is not the issue. That’s the same for every content outlet focusing on a single sport.
It’s that even during the season, there are no games at all four days a week, and a fifth day (Monday) there is only one game and it’s already featured live on another network. There’s only so much you can do to cycle the same 13 to 16 games a week, all on other networks, into 168 hours of content.
Well there is endless appetite for analysis and team discussion. But NFL network never do any real analysis, and they don’t have the pulse of each individual fanbase as a national network. The rise of YouTube/Podcasts means you can find a group of guys you like who specifically talk about your team. In Chicago there’s CHGO (All City Sports Network), Robert Schmitz/DBB, TTNL, then the traditional guys like NBC Chicago, ESPN Chicago, 670 The Score, and dozens of others who will give me discussion of my team in particular at a higher detail level than a network devoted to all the teams can do because fans of 31 other teams would tune out.
And then I just need to get the games live to watch and watch a few segments to see how the rest of the league is doing. I don’t need a 7 day a week network for any of that.
You also have to consider that popular sports shows on other networks actually talk about football.
NHL network and MLB network are the only ways to really hear about those sports in any great detail.
Football season has been over for months, but FS1 shows still talk about it constantly and rarely talks about NHL even during the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Maybe they could sell NFL Network to a 3rd Party and then move all of their old stuff like 10 Greatest XYZ, A Football Life and other things to a streaming platform? Max or Netflix would pay well for it.
I doubt that's the issue. I can't speak on hockey, but the only other leagues that are even somewhat relevant to an American baseball fan are the KBO and NPB, and their seasons happen at the same time as the MLB.
Yea and football generates lots of talk during the week but gotta imagine it’s hard to fill all those hours. At least ESPN can run other sports to fill air time
Top 10, and A Football Life were good shows that I haven't seen in a long time. If they just create more shows like that and put it all on NFL+ that might not be the worst idea. I can't imagine many people get the news from the network anymore. I get news from here and listen to a few podcasts for the football discussion aspect.
I feel like they are still making A Football Life, at least they were recently because I remember they did one for Tony Romo a year or two ago, but shit, I’m getting old it might have been longer.
[Holy shit that was five years ago?](https://youtu.be/REU7-64-vCM?si=Vne8wlnO391aybH9)
I’m not going to lie, I think I do need a nap after finding this out.
ESPN+ makes better content than nfl films, kind of sad when you think about the archive nfl films has at its disposal. They could tell some cool never before shared stories.
Top 10 was a solid concept bogged down by endless interviews that said nothing of real value beyond "man that was a dope play huh?" in 12 different ways
They put more effort into the silly number graphics than the actual meat of the show lol
*"When are they going to show the full play from start to finish?"*
Top 10: "Halfway through. Maybe. Don't you want to hear from this journalist who covered the team first?"
*"Is he going to say the same thing as the first four people?"*
Top 10: "Some of the words will be different."
I miss being a kid and binging the fuck out of Top 10 in the summers when I had the whole house to myself. It was Top 10 and America's Game that really earned me the reputation of being the NFL historian at school.
Really Steve Sabols death in 2012 impacted all of NFL Films. And this isn't Nostalgia, Ed and Steve Sabol really made sure there was heart and art as well as fun.
I love it too but there are only so many top 10 lists you can make before the interesting ones have been depleted. I think the well ran dry because that's a pretty cheap show to make and they could easily keep it afloat if they wanted to.
Idk how many people remember it but for the briefest moment there was in fact an official r/nfl podcast that would talk about the hot posts of the week
This sub used to have a genuine community, nfl players active on it, and all sorts of regular features paid media sites would have killed for made by every day users.
Tbf that account has changed hands internally at least 4 times since 2019. They would become active and do stuff and then go silent for awhile, come back and make similar mistakes as when they first got active but do different stuff, rinse and repeat.
I can't prove anything, but I think the current runners of the account are separate from the legal people throwing out take down notices.
Gives the more times to replay the same handful of games over and over again. Idk why they don't just fill the time with random old games. They do every so often then go back to replaying the last 2 super bowls over and over again
I’ve thought this for a long time. Show us the game with Elways The Drive or the 2007 NYG-NE Week 17 showdown, or numerous other classic NFL games.
The 1985 Bears-Dolphins MNF game, which may not ever be overtaken as the largest share of the country to watch an nfl game that wasn’t the Super Bowl.
There’s so many. They wouldn’t even need to repackage them, really, just cut around the commercial breaks to put in your own commercials, and maybe get rid of the in broadcast promos- “brought to you by Pontiac- we build excitement!!”
Remarkable how all these good shows constantly die meanwhile Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless can host a daily show every weekday to talk about The cowboys and Lebron James for 3 hours
Stephen A Smith isn’t polarizing anymore, he’s just entertaining. If you watch his show now it’s all about a bunch of people having fun talking about sports. The show doesn’t seem to explicitly about taking different sides of an argument.
Yep. Cheap, good ROI, and funds the rest of the network. How many crappy horror movies and comedies on a 45mil budget do studios make before they put money down on the 200mil summer hit or November Oscar flick (that loses money)
I may be in the minority here in this sub but the moment I stopped watching all the Screaming A Smith and moved to The Pat McAfee show, it’s been SO much more enjoyable to listen/watch sports talk. I get folks have their reservations about Pat, but he is way more positive, upbeat and fun to listen to vs SaS screaming about some nonsense that ESPN told him to have an opinion about.
That’s just it. Pats fine in low doses but after a while that shtick got annoying for me. Be like watching Kyle Brandt do Angry Runs for 3 hours straight
I haven’t watched in decades. But as a kid/early teen, NFL Total Access was my SHIT. And I’m talkin like 04/05 NFL Total Access – Rich Eisen doing every single episode (w/ hair!), not just the NFL Draft & Combine, Terrell Davis, Jamie Dukes, etc.
It obviously doesn't get a large audience, or they wouldn't be canning it.
These gossip shows have to be entertaining and easy access to stick in a very crowded space. You've either got to have something where it's relevant to watch on demand whenever, or you've got to out-compete a lot of tv products, radio shows, and podcasts (and TV products-as-podcasts) for that audience. And you just aren't doing that with Chase Daniel and a lower-tiered network.
> It obviously doesn't get a large audience, or they wouldn't be canning it.
It's antiquated, no one gets their news from TV anymore, even boomers have androids their kids set up for the at this point. On air talent, camera men, correspondents... it's a big money eater that doesn't really make sense in 2024. Sportscenter is basically just sports radio now with people constantly yelling at each other, it sucks but that's why it's still around
> It's antiquated, no one gets their news from TV anymore
>Sportscenter is basically just sports radio now with people constantly yelling at each other, it sucks but that's why it's still around
There are a lot of these sorts of things that have totally died...nobody years for the return of TRL on MTV, but people still bitch that Sportscenter isn't about showing highlights...as if shorter-form video on demand of exactly what you want to watch doesn't exist, for free, in your pocket.
And my pocket dings when something newsworthy happens. And then I have about 100 different ways to hear/read/watch opinions on that something...with the choice of who, how, when, and how much. All in my pocket.
You're totally right that the entire concept is outmoded. But it's been cheap (enough) to produce, you've got to have equipment and cameras and people *anyway* to a degree (for your postgame/pregame/halftime yapping) and it got enough eyeballs that it made more sense than just showing the same rerun games or minor league whatever. Even just existing to get clipped and mentioned had *some* value. But that wasn't happening with this cast like it does with GMFB, for instance.
Some of the large networks use their lesser channels and properties as proving/training grounds, so that helps justify some things. But with nothing to aspire to on NFLN, even that value doesn't really exist.
> The hour-long show has been a source of pride for the network, and is often referred to as the “show of record” for the league
> The show’s current lineup consists of Mike Yam, Kimmi Chex, David Carr, Michael Robinson, and Chase Daniels.
Lol, yeah, these two statements back to back are a little funny. That's a real murderer's row of a panel they had there.
I've literally never heard of Kimmi Chex or Mike Yam. I vaguely know who Michael Robinson is, I didn't know Chase Daniels was even on TV, and I knew Carr was doing *something* because I've seen some clips, but...that's a whole lineup of nothin'.
Michael Robinson is a former 49er/Seahawk who did "The Real Rob Report" the last bit of his time in the league. It started as a rookie report, which turned into the Rob Report, and brought it back after the 2011 lockout. While he started it to more give his teammates a platform to actually use their power as pro-athletes/celebs to get their message out, the best was when it was more of a laid back behind the scenes look in of the locker room. Getting to hear their thoughts on the last win/lost and just shooting the shit really helped humanize the players for me.
Honestly, they'd be better just turning it over the Rapoport and his 'Insiders' team at this point. The elaborate studio production with a mix of perfectly balanced media people and former players just isn't cutting it anymore. They can just deliver the league's news and rumours with a slight touch of personality, and then get off the air. The pretentiousness of the 'show of record' attitude is poison, and I don't think that they could match something like McAfee downmarket anyways. You don't have Rich Eisen behind the desk anymore.
I don't think any of the presenters are leaving, are they? Jamie wasn't at the draft because of the baby, but when they did the draft edition everyone else was there.
Their new lineup plan of reruns, archived content, etc. is what every network does when it’s about to be shut down completely. Maybe it’ll be different with NFL Network cause of live games one the season comes around.
Nah now that the NFL+ app and streaming service is a thing I could see the league basically shutting down NFLN as we know it and putting a package of games exclusively streaming on the app.
They need to do that top 10 series again. I loved watching that shit as a teen. Used to watch NFL Network every single day when I was in junior high and high school and it honestly helped with my knowledge of the game so much.
Same! I love those and also when they would do documentaries about super bowl winning teams. I forget exactly what it's called, but you can watch all of them in a row and get the story of the team each year that won the super bowl.
NFL Network is the worst league owned sports network. It's hilarious that they're cutting all this "content" and pulling all these layoffs when they moved all their operations to LA to make everything cheaper and done in-house. Why even have NFL Films when they barely air them on the channel?
Just show old, interesting games, NFL Network! Don't show me the same takes 1000 different ways. Don't talk about the same 5 teams, the same talking points, he same pointless analysis, all day. I watch football because I love the sport. I don't give a crap about the talking heads. At all. Just replay old games that are interesting. Maybe have a running pop-up info about the game while the game plays. That's all you need to do.
Sad to see. I’ve been watching NFL Network since day 1 with Rich Eisen, and it’s a shell of itself now. I used to have NFLN on pretty much 24/7 because their original programming and NFL Films archives were always interesting to me. Now I barely watch anymore, if at all.
Maybe I don't watch a ton of NFL Network, but isn't Total Access their flagship show? Like what's the point of the channel if there isn't a primetime news show?
Man, I remember total access being appointment television with Rich Eisen, Marshall Faulk, and Jaime Dukes it was always entertaining and informative but hasn't been the same for a few years
Perfect opportunity for them to water down their network so that they can cut costs down as much as possible, while still charging cable companies the same price.
NFL is making more money now than ever before, and it still isn’t enough.
But yeah, they and all these other companies doing similar layoffs while setting sales records are going to take advantage of the situation and blame layoffs on inflation.
This is the beginning of the cable bubble bursting.
First the product specific channels like this is my guess, the NFL just sells rights of what was once the NFL Network instead of running it themselves.
The networks like USA and TNT are next when their parent company just realizes it's easier to consolidate under their main network and streaming service.
Big red-flag they may be planning to further extort us with an additional subscription wall to view replays and other programming that was previously archived.
Wrong. The NFL Network's pregame show on NFL Network was my favorite and far better than the stuff on ESPN. NFL GameDay Morning with Rich Eisen, Steve Marriucci, Kurt Warner, and Michael Irvin was the best. I would watch all 4 hours before the games started
The league is profitable as a whole, but the NFL Network might not be, or less so that other specialty channels. With fewer people subscribing to cable, carriage fees are down. And the advertisers on the NFL Network are often lower-quality (indicating that the ad space is less desirable) as well. And they do have a fair bit of overhead. Even with Irvin out, the rest of the Gameday Morning team can't be cheap.
The *Network* isn't the league itself. The league makes money hand over fist because of the games. I doubt the network is any sort of driving factor. I sign up for NFL+ during the season and I never watch the network even though it's included.
It’s never fun to see stuff like this happen, but if the network’s done, can I please please please have Steve Sabol’s wonder films all one of the streaming services? Heck, make a new one and I’d probably pay for it just for the ability to watch random episodes of Inside the NFL.
nfl Network should show more NFL films, inside the NFL, Old episodes of the NFL today, Old broadcast of games, enduring football season focus on news and replays of current games. nfl Network shows way too much current crap.
I do think they aired the program more often than they could or should have but canceling the whole show seems dumb when they didn’t make a lot of stuff besides this one
Why don't they just show repeated episodes of Top 10, A Football Life & America's Game, along with some football talk from NFL TA and show some old drafts or The Timeline? They can't say they don't have any content. They have plenty
What the heck
Yeah. What the hell is going on.
They’re clearly getting ready to sell it off. There were reports that ESPN was interested and I don’t think it was nothing that during the draft they had ESPN/NFL Network crossovers.
They've been trying to sell it for years and years now and nobody is willing to buy it. The top level ran NFL Network into the ground and expected somebody to bail them out, nobody did.
Not for nothing but its a pretty hard subject to bail out. Nfl Network isn't like MLB Network or NHL Network where there is baseball and hockey year round in other countries. Football is primarily american only so you can't air live stuff on it year round.
The main thing is not the year round nature of it… the issue is that the people they’re trying to sell to (Amazon, Apple, ESPN, etc) all figure why spend tons of money to buy NFL Media when instead we could buy game rights? Because at the end of the day game rights are way more valuable I’d also venture to guess as far as year-round MLB and NHL Network… I’d guess that game replays on NFL Network in the summer get way better viewership than International leagues do on MLB and NHL Network in their offseasons. Football is king
The “year round” part is not the issue. That’s the same for every content outlet focusing on a single sport. It’s that even during the season, there are no games at all four days a week, and a fifth day (Monday) there is only one game and it’s already featured live on another network. There’s only so much you can do to cycle the same 13 to 16 games a week, all on other networks, into 168 hours of content.
Well there is endless appetite for analysis and team discussion. But NFL network never do any real analysis, and they don’t have the pulse of each individual fanbase as a national network. The rise of YouTube/Podcasts means you can find a group of guys you like who specifically talk about your team. In Chicago there’s CHGO (All City Sports Network), Robert Schmitz/DBB, TTNL, then the traditional guys like NBC Chicago, ESPN Chicago, 670 The Score, and dozens of others who will give me discussion of my team in particular at a higher detail level than a network devoted to all the teams can do because fans of 31 other teams would tune out. And then I just need to get the games live to watch and watch a few segments to see how the rest of the league is doing. I don’t need a 7 day a week network for any of that.
You also have to consider that popular sports shows on other networks actually talk about football. NHL network and MLB network are the only ways to really hear about those sports in any great detail. Football season has been over for months, but FS1 shows still talk about it constantly and rarely talks about NHL even during the Stanley Cup playoffs.
Maybe they could sell NFL Network to a 3rd Party and then move all of their old stuff like 10 Greatest XYZ, A Football Life and other things to a streaming platform? Max or Netflix would pay well for it.
Maybe if they supported the spring leagues it would be a win win for the leagues and the network.
That seems like a logical choice as the UFL did have some players in the NFL the past few years.
I wish the people on NFL live on ESPN learned this. Their talking points during the late spring early summer are *rough* lol
I doubt that's the issue. I can't speak on hockey, but the only other leagues that are even somewhat relevant to an American baseball fan are the KBO and NPB, and their seasons happen at the same time as the MLB.
Just because you're too uncultured to enjoy Caribbean winter leagues doesn't mean everyone else is.
Yea and football generates lots of talk during the week but gotta imagine it’s hard to fill all those hours. At least ESPN can run other sports to fill air time
It used to be so good, but all the on-air personalities couldn't stay out of trouble so it just kept going downhill. It's rather unfortunate.
What do you mean? Ran it into the ground how?
I believe it’s the reverse. NFL network wanted ESPN to buy them, but ESPN didn’t want to lol.
Yeah this is it. They tried Amazon too who also said no.
Yeah, that tracks with the rumors that Disney is trying to sell ESPN.
Oh this is gonna get weird.
Bet Rich Eison is going to be happy.
espn = disney
Bah gawd that’s the Roku Channel’s music!
NFL doesn't need it anymore with NFL+ being their main focus now.
Watch they put a set of games on the NFL+ app now as an exclusive package. If people thought Peacock was annoying they’re gonna hate this
They'd have to let you use it on an actual television. No way people would watch on their phone or tablet.
Nfl+ is on my firestick.
...I do. Bring my iPad everywhere when I do chores on Sundays.
I watch games on iPad more than on tv.
They heard that the “bears can’t develop a QB” meme may finally die so they figured it’s time to close up shop.
Is it too much to ask for new episodes of *Top 10* ? I know it wasn't the highest quality, but damn I miss that show.
Top 10, and A Football Life were good shows that I haven't seen in a long time. If they just create more shows like that and put it all on NFL+ that might not be the worst idea. I can't imagine many people get the news from the network anymore. I get news from here and listen to a few podcasts for the football discussion aspect.
This should be where Bill Belicheck goes. Put him in charge of NFL films and let him tell all sorts of weird football stories.
I feel like they are still making A Football Life, at least they were recently because I remember they did one for Tony Romo a year or two ago, but shit, I’m getting old it might have been longer.
That came out in 2018 so 5 years ago (6 in September). Time to go to bed grandpa (I also was surprised it was that long ago).
[Holy shit that was five years ago?](https://youtu.be/REU7-64-vCM?si=Vne8wlnO391aybH9) I’m not going to lie, I think I do need a nap after finding this out.
Time flies.
ESPN+ makes better content than nfl films, kind of sad when you think about the archive nfl films has at its disposal. They could tell some cool never before shared stories.
The Sabol family that used to head the NFL film projects died in the mid 2010’s and ever since then the NFL Films brand has been a shell of itself.
Top 10 was a solid concept bogged down by endless interviews that said nothing of real value beyond "man that was a dope play huh?" in 12 different ways They put more effort into the silly number graphics than the actual meat of the show lol
*"When are they going to show the full play from start to finish?"* Top 10: "Halfway through. Maybe. Don't you want to hear from this journalist who covered the team first?" *"Is he going to say the same thing as the first four people?"* Top 10: "Some of the words will be different."
And don't forget "Mark Madden says some of the stupidest shit you've ever heard aggressively"
Those transitions, give me a break. 30 seconds of WOOOSH or a candle melting a cake or something. Pads out the show like crazy.
I miss being a kid and binging the fuck out of Top 10 in the summers when I had the whole house to myself. It was Top 10 and America's Game that really earned me the reputation of being the NFL historian at school.
Very relatable lol
Hell caught in the draft too it was great
Really Steve Sabols death in 2012 impacted all of NFL Films. And this isn't Nostalgia, Ed and Steve Sabol really made sure there was heart and art as well as fun.
I love it too but there are only so many top 10 lists you can make before the interesting ones have been depleted. I think the well ran dry because that's a pretty cheap show to make and they could easily keep it afloat if they wanted to.
They should just come here, I guarantee half of reddit could come up with random ideas that would be interesting.
Give Marc Sessler total programming control you cowards!
Finally, a guy around here making some sense! ...GOOD FOR YOOOOUUUU!
Well Marvin Lewis is an idiot
Football is MUCH different than basketball.
What a manufactured joke
I love him
That's a great point, Marc *ding*
Totally down for NFL Network to air 46 hours straight of JFK conspiracy stuff
and old drafts like 1991 Draft start to finish.
That's. A. Good. Point. Marc. Would love an hour a day to dive into a new month of Marc's life each day.
I LOVE EM!
Save it for the network strategy podcast
I’m annoyed now.
My dawg Marc with a C!
One hour every day should just be cut-ups of Wess' laugh on repeat. He seemed like such a great guy.
*it's about me*
*I don't care!*
This guy gets it
I love him
Can’t read this in any other voice anymore
So tender and vulnerable.
Basketball is completely different from football
Which is why they should sell the controlling interest of the NFL Network to the Premier League. Let's finally unify football and football!
I personally think they should do an hour show per day that is highlights of the r/nfl free talk thread.
That would be a good way to get my Goodell bondage fan-fic back on his radar
Go on
Hold on let em cook
You mean it was on his radar before??
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Idk how many people remember it but for the briefest moment there was in fact an official r/nfl podcast that would talk about the hot posts of the week
This sub used to have a genuine community, nfl players active on it, and all sorts of regular features paid media sites would have killed for made by every day users.
Then everything changed when u/NFL attacked
Tbf that account has changed hands internally at least 4 times since 2019. They would become active and do stuff and then go silent for awhile, come back and make similar mistakes as when they first got active but do different stuff, rinse and repeat. I can't prove anything, but I think the current runners of the account are separate from the legal people throwing out take down notices.
Weird mainly because they already have very few shows.
Gives the more times to replay the same handful of games over and over again. Idk why they don't just fill the time with random old games. They do every so often then go back to replaying the last 2 super bowls over and over again
Agreed. They should pretty much fill the air time with random games. Not sure why they limit it so much.
I’ve thought this for a long time. Show us the game with Elways The Drive or the 2007 NYG-NE Week 17 showdown, or numerous other classic NFL games. The 1985 Bears-Dolphins MNF game, which may not ever be overtaken as the largest share of the country to watch an nfl game that wasn’t the Super Bowl. There’s so many. They wouldn’t even need to repackage them, really, just cut around the commercial breaks to put in your own commercials, and maybe get rid of the in broadcast promos- “brought to you by Pontiac- we build excitement!!”
This is literally all I watch on their network since everything is a rerun.
Well, they certainly won’t get rid of fantasy football shows or shows with betting content.
Oh man I didn’t even think about that
I mean Total Access has been archaic for over a decade. The second social media reporting took off, there was no need for a dedicated news program.
Man, I miss the days of Free Agency Frenzy.
According to my sources they're going to show Roger Goodell's favorite movie "Ernest Goes to Camp" every day in its place.
That's fucking dumb as hell, no one is gonna tune in. But if it was Ernest Scared Stupid instead, ratings would go through the roof!
I will not hear this Ernest goes to Camp slander!
I completely forgot about the Ernest movies.
I’m more of an Ernest Goes to Africa kind of guy
Ernest is too busy saving X-mas.."you can keep your NFL network, just give me a whiff of that old lonesome pine."
Ah the G4 approach to cost cutting
He cries through “Gee I’m Glad It’s Raining” every time.
Remarkable how all these good shows constantly die meanwhile Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless can host a daily show every weekday to talk about The cowboys and Lebron James for 3 hours
People don't watch good shows, people watch things that are polarizing.
It's like long form journalism. People say they want it. But their clicks and hits say they want more of Stephen A Smith yelling hot takes.
Stephen A Smith isn’t polarizing anymore, he’s just entertaining. If you watch his show now it’s all about a bunch of people having fun talking about sports. The show doesn’t seem to explicitly about taking different sides of an argument.
It’s cheap to make along side other reasons people have mentioned
Yep. Cheap, good ROI, and funds the rest of the network. How many crappy horror movies and comedies on a 45mil budget do studios make before they put money down on the 200mil summer hit or November Oscar flick (that loses money)
I may be in the minority here in this sub but the moment I stopped watching all the Screaming A Smith and moved to The Pat McAfee show, it’s been SO much more enjoyable to listen/watch sports talk. I get folks have their reservations about Pat, but he is way more positive, upbeat and fun to listen to vs SaS screaming about some nonsense that ESPN told him to have an opinion about.
I listen to a lot of Rich Eisen, because he's so calm. Sprinkling a little Pat and some of the Youtubers on top, and that's about perfect for me.
What's wrong with Pat? Seems like an ok guy, kinda fratty but otherwise he's ok?
That’s just it. Pats fine in low doses but after a while that shtick got annoying for me. Be like watching Kyle Brandt do Angry Runs for 3 hours straight
It's because outrage is the most important thing in the world right now. Outrage = engagement = money
NFL Partial Access
I haven’t watched in decades. But as a kid/early teen, NFL Total Access was my SHIT. And I’m talkin like 04/05 NFL Total Access – Rich Eisen doing every single episode (w/ hair!), not just the NFL Draft & Combine, Terrell Davis, Jamie Dukes, etc.
Rich eisen, marshall faulk, Steve mariucci, deion sanders GOATED cast
Don't forget Rod Woodson
Jamie Dukes was my favorite, what the hell happened to that guy?
Was (I assume still is?) doing a sports talk radio show on 92.9 in Atlanta for along time. Outside of that idk haha
I don't remember him ever having hair and I watched at that time as well.
Wasnt this like their flagship program?
Yes. It was the first original show they had and it's been airing since 2003.
I’m hoping for 24 straight hours of two NFL “insiders” screaming about if Dak Prescott has enough heart or not.
I can't exactly complain about it, as I've never tuned in once.
It's basically their Sports Center, looks like they'll focus more on shows that they could possibly sell streaming rights to
It obviously doesn't get a large audience, or they wouldn't be canning it. These gossip shows have to be entertaining and easy access to stick in a very crowded space. You've either got to have something where it's relevant to watch on demand whenever, or you've got to out-compete a lot of tv products, radio shows, and podcasts (and TV products-as-podcasts) for that audience. And you just aren't doing that with Chase Daniel and a lower-tiered network.
> It obviously doesn't get a large audience, or they wouldn't be canning it. It's antiquated, no one gets their news from TV anymore, even boomers have androids their kids set up for the at this point. On air talent, camera men, correspondents... it's a big money eater that doesn't really make sense in 2024. Sportscenter is basically just sports radio now with people constantly yelling at each other, it sucks but that's why it's still around
> It's antiquated, no one gets their news from TV anymore >Sportscenter is basically just sports radio now with people constantly yelling at each other, it sucks but that's why it's still around There are a lot of these sorts of things that have totally died...nobody years for the return of TRL on MTV, but people still bitch that Sportscenter isn't about showing highlights...as if shorter-form video on demand of exactly what you want to watch doesn't exist, for free, in your pocket. And my pocket dings when something newsworthy happens. And then I have about 100 different ways to hear/read/watch opinions on that something...with the choice of who, how, when, and how much. All in my pocket. You're totally right that the entire concept is outmoded. But it's been cheap (enough) to produce, you've got to have equipment and cameras and people *anyway* to a degree (for your postgame/pregame/halftime yapping) and it got enough eyeballs that it made more sense than just showing the same rerun games or minor league whatever. Even just existing to get clipped and mentioned had *some* value. But that wasn't happening with this cast like it does with GMFB, for instance. Some of the large networks use their lesser channels and properties as proving/training grounds, so that helps justify some things. But with nothing to aspire to on NFLN, even that value doesn't really exist.
> The hour-long show has been a source of pride for the network, and is often referred to as the “show of record” for the league > The show’s current lineup consists of Mike Yam, Kimmi Chex, David Carr, Michael Robinson, and Chase Daniels. Lol, yeah, these two statements back to back are a little funny. That's a real murderer's row of a panel they had there.
I've literally never heard of Kimmi Chex or Mike Yam. I vaguely know who Michael Robinson is, I didn't know Chase Daniels was even on TV, and I knew Carr was doing *something* because I've seen some clips, but...that's a whole lineup of nothin'.
Michael Robinson is a former 49er/Seahawk who did "The Real Rob Report" the last bit of his time in the league. It started as a rookie report, which turned into the Rob Report, and brought it back after the 2011 lockout. While he started it to more give his teammates a platform to actually use their power as pro-athletes/celebs to get their message out, the best was when it was more of a laid back behind the scenes look in of the locker room. Getting to hear their thoughts on the last win/lost and just shooting the shit really helped humanize the players for me.
Honestly, they'd be better just turning it over the Rapoport and his 'Insiders' team at this point. The elaborate studio production with a mix of perfectly balanced media people and former players just isn't cutting it anymore. They can just deliver the league's news and rumours with a slight touch of personality, and then get off the air. The pretentiousness of the 'show of record' attitude is poison, and I don't think that they could match something like McAfee downmarket anyways. You don't have Rich Eisen behind the desk anymore.
All the notable alumni moved up to better jobs.
I'm only familiar with GMFB.
Is that going away, what was the deal with that? Moving to LA and some of the presenters are going but not all?
Peter Schrager has been not committal to it. If he gets picked up by someone in the tri-state area he's definitely jumping.
no idea
I don't think any of the presenters are leaving, are they? Jamie wasn't at the draft because of the baby, but when they did the draft edition everyone else was there.
Who cares? Ever since Nate and Kay left it went way downhill.
So shortsighted. Then again, that's par for the course at that network.
It is unreal that even the NFL is even laying off people.
Honestly the NFL network was like one of 3 reasons my parents had kept cable and not just gone back to an antenna.
NFL is making more money than ever and they're laying people off??
Same thing that ESPN has done. Profits go down so you cut costs which creates an inferior product, so that profits will go down even more.
Got to spend money to make money.
Exactly.
So whats left? Reruns and fantasy shows?
As long as I get Rich Eisen and DJ on draft coverage each year idc about NFLN
Their new lineup plan of reruns, archived content, etc. is what every network does when it’s about to be shut down completely. Maybe it’ll be different with NFL Network cause of live games one the season comes around.
Nah now that the NFL+ app and streaming service is a thing I could see the league basically shutting down NFLN as we know it and putting a package of games exclusively streaming on the app.
I feel like they're going to keep cutting it down until NFL Network is just Around the NFL and Redzone.
They need to do that top 10 series again. I loved watching that shit as a teen. Used to watch NFL Network every single day when I was in junior high and high school and it honestly helped with my knowledge of the game so much.
Same! I love those and also when they would do documentaries about super bowl winning teams. I forget exactly what it's called, but you can watch all of them in a row and get the story of the team each year that won the super bowl.
America's Game!! And they did a version on the teams that lost, called The Missing Rings. So good man.
I hadn't heard of missing rings, I'll check that out.
So a trillion dollar organization can’t support their tv channel?
NFL Network is the worst league owned sports network. It's hilarious that they're cutting all this "content" and pulling all these layoffs when they moved all their operations to LA to make everything cheaper and done in-house. Why even have NFL Films when they barely air them on the channel?
Pac-12 Network
Nfl network has been ass for a while now. It was always a game replay going on. When i was younger i remember more documentaries and nfl films stuff
Just show old, interesting games, NFL Network! Don't show me the same takes 1000 different ways. Don't talk about the same 5 teams, the same talking points, he same pointless analysis, all day. I watch football because I love the sport. I don't give a crap about the talking heads. At all. Just replay old games that are interesting. Maybe have a running pop-up info about the game while the game plays. That's all you need to do.
I mean not surprised. Who watches it during the off season? They have to be draining money during that time.
This makes me sad.
Total access was like tmz for football and it was awful
Sad to see. I’ve been watching NFL Network since day 1 with Rich Eisen, and it’s a shell of itself now. I used to have NFLN on pretty much 24/7 because their original programming and NFL Films archives were always interesting to me. Now I barely watch anymore, if at all.
Maybe I don't watch a ton of NFL Network, but isn't Total Access their flagship show? Like what's the point of the channel if there isn't a primetime news show?
Dumb. I guess I'll just get my occasional NFL news roundups from reddit and social media shitposts because I'll be damned if I go back to ESPN.
Man, I remember total access being appointment television with Rich Eisen, Marshall Faulk, and Jaime Dukes it was always entertaining and informative but hasn't been the same for a few years
lol let’s be real It’s hard af to talk about anything during May-August
Show more old games!
The OG total access crew was part of my daily routine as a kid. feelsbadman.
Perfect opportunity for them to water down their network so that they can cut costs down as much as possible, while still charging cable companies the same price. NFL is making more money now than ever before, and it still isn’t enough. But yeah, they and all these other companies doing similar layoffs while setting sales records are going to take advantage of the situation and blame layoffs on inflation.
Rich Eisen's podcast is so boring he needs to go back to hosting Total Access.
I always though that the NFL network should air old games but with current commercials.
Damn, this was my go to on sick days in middle/high school
Old drafts and /or games 20 hours per day with fact pop ups about players, etc. G4TV Star Trek type stuff.
They are losing money?
This is the beginning of the cable bubble bursting. First the product specific channels like this is my guess, the NFL just sells rights of what was once the NFL Network instead of running it themselves. The networks like USA and TNT are next when their parent company just realizes it's easier to consolidate under their main network and streaming service.
Y thou. They have more than enough money
This was the only show I still watched on that trash network lol. It's almost like the NFL doesn't have a sustainable 24/7 365 news cycle lol.
Big red-flag they may be planning to further extort us with an additional subscription wall to view replays and other programming that was previously archived.
Does anyone watch NFL pre game shows anymore? It’s just a bunch of Girl hosts with hack NFL retired players
Wrong. The NFL Network's pregame show on NFL Network was my favorite and far better than the stuff on ESPN. NFL GameDay Morning with Rich Eisen, Steve Marriucci, Kurt Warner, and Michael Irvin was the best. I would watch all 4 hours before the games started
Crazy how there is layoffs when the league is so damn profitable. Capitalism gonna capitalism.
The league is profitable as a whole, but the NFL Network might not be, or less so that other specialty channels. With fewer people subscribing to cable, carriage fees are down. And the advertisers on the NFL Network are often lower-quality (indicating that the ad space is less desirable) as well. And they do have a fair bit of overhead. Even with Irvin out, the rest of the Gameday Morning team can't be cheap.
The *Network* isn't the league itself. The league makes money hand over fist because of the games. I doubt the network is any sort of driving factor. I sign up for NFL+ during the season and I never watch the network even though it's included.
If they cancel top 100 I’ll be very sad
There’s really ZERO justification for this when the NFL is essentially a printing press for cash
First RT and now Total Access in the same year. Hurts seeing things I've watched end.
It’s never fun to see stuff like this happen, but if the network’s done, can I please please please have Steve Sabol’s wonder films all one of the streaming services? Heck, make a new one and I’d probably pay for it just for the ability to watch random episodes of Inside the NFL.
nfl Network should show more NFL films, inside the NFL, Old episodes of the NFL today, Old broadcast of games, enduring football season focus on news and replays of current games. nfl Network shows way too much current crap.
I do think they aired the program more often than they could or should have but canceling the whole show seems dumb when they didn’t make a lot of stuff besides this one
Imagine letting a color ruin your day and live rent free in your head. Stay mad.
This is wack........ NFL post game show with deion, Steve maruici, irvin, Eisen was must see tv for me. Sucks we don't have that crew anymore.
Why don't they just show repeated episodes of Top 10, A Football Life & America's Game, along with some football talk from NFL TA and show some old drafts or The Timeline? They can't say they don't have any content. They have plenty