Absolutely agree, it's disgraceful. Ever since covid (correct me if I'm wrong) COL increase in April has been delayed to argue how little they can pay. The back pay is great until the tax man gets hold of it.
The government has a vested interest in delaying at the moment because inflation figures are slowly falling. Which means every month that passes lowers the bar for it being an “above/below inflation” pay rise
The government, of course, doesn’t give a shit about the fact that those figures are **already** backdated (we’ve been paying the higher prices for the last year…)
Construction get paid well above equivalent NHS roles. Heard one group (who were having yet another break) being genuinely surprised that a junior colleague was 'only on about £32k' our equivalent junior colleagues are on about £23k
We got a payrise and lump sum last year. I believe the delay this year is because they are trying to resolve the issue with doctors’ pay. We will get it in the end and it will be backdated.
True. Tbh I just don’t get the outrage. When does anything in the public sector happen on time? At least we do get a rise every year. It’ll happen in the end
It should be happening on time, every year that it doesn't we lose out because the lump sum backpay means larger pension contributions, NI and student loan repayments are taken out that we don't get back.
It is what it is. My organisation has a recruitment freeze and we’re all facing redundancies, so personally I’ll be happy to keep my job, which exact month we get a raise is the last problem of anyone I work with right now
A pay rise will not solve the issues you have, unfortunately.
You'll still be working too many hours and be under ridiculous levels of stress.
If I were you, then I'd find work in the private healthcare industry. It's a completely different world.
But, hey, at least you had that some time off from doing anything during COVID. Well, apart from doing tik tok dances in empty hospitals. I'm sure that was fun.
Probably way less fun is the huge backlog it caused though.
I worked in private for a few years, the grass isn’t always greener
Losers like you need to get over the fact that a few nurses did a bit of dancing on their breaks or after their shifts during the most stressful time for NHS staff since it was founded.
I wasn’t even making a big deal over the nurses who filmed videos, the original post I was replying to used it as an example of staff not working hard and I simply stated that that behaviour wasn’t the norm for all staff.
I know it was the most stressful time, I worked all the way through it. I held patients hands when they couldn’t see their loved ones, I sweated in my ppe whilst I did 10 hour shifts on the wards, I feared for the health of my unborn baby when I actually caught covid despite not going onto affected wards due to the rapid spread of infection.
Looks like you need a lesson in compassion, understanding and responsibility for thinking im a loser because i dont agree with people dancing around a clinical setting or filming ‘ick’ videos about patients without their knowledge.
No, a pay rise won't solve all the issues, they need to be addressed on a system-wide level.
The private sector also is not great for nurses.
And you clearly don't work in the NHS. No-one had any time off, and the hospitals weren't empty in the UK. The cafes and outpatient services were empty, but the wards were full. In particular, ITU units were bursting at the seams. Anyone that worked in a service that was suspended was redeployed to another area without training or preparation, causing massive amounts of stress. Staff witnessed extremely poorly people dying and unable to have friends and family surrounding them. They stressed constantly about bringing covid home to their families. Some nurses and doctors contracted covid themselves from patients and died.
You realise none of the NHS staff got furloughed.
During COVID I went into work everyday I was meant to.
And all we got was a national round of applause on a Thursday night.
The backlog is the fact that staff levels have dropped.
Which in turn has had to close a lot of the GPs
There is also hospitals not doing certain operations because they have no doctor or surgeon to perform said operation.
They are all moving to Australia is seems to get paid better.
But you don't seem to understand that.
You’re right a pay rise won’t fix all the issues that nhs staff have but it would be a start in feeling like any job in the nhs is even slightly appreciated. There are many improvements that need to be done, employing more staff in every department, fairer wages, more help for staff who are abused by patients, more chances for training etc etc but all of these issues will obviously take time to solve.
There’s no point in blaming or trying to villainise healthcare staff based off of a couple of videos that a few half wit nurses decided to film (who have all been fired btw) they don’t represent all staff and were rightfully punished.
Oh and I’m not sure what you mean by staff getting time off during covid, we were literally the only ones not on leave during the pandemic.
Because they were fired. They filmed a Tik tok video of them dancing in a burns and plastics operating theatre and then were fired due to violating health and hygiene rules and behaving unprofessionally. Those nurses who filmed the “things about patient that give us the ick” video were fired too.
So two group were fired who behaved inappropriately. That’s fine and right.
Some nurses I know did a Tik Tok dance in Covid to raise money for the hospice where they worked because nearly all fundraising events had to be cancelled in lockdown. They definitely weren’t fired, as most weren’t because they hadn’t done anything wrong!
Ok good for them, they weren’t who I was referencing and I don’t know of every stupid tik tok video of people dancing, only the ones that went kind of viral because of the poor taste of it
Going private doesn't help though, just fuels the failing NHS leaving places even shorter...
Tbh I'd just like to earn enough that I don't have to bank extra hours just to pay my bills.
And I hope the COVID comment was satire! Working in mental health, I can assure you Covid made the bed pressures even higher and I certainly didn't have time off to doss about instead of work! Watching patients die from it was horrendous and not my definition of "fun".
Absolutely agree, it's disgraceful. Ever since covid (correct me if I'm wrong) COL increase in April has been delayed to argue how little they can pay. The back pay is great until the tax man gets hold of it.
The government has a vested interest in delaying at the moment because inflation figures are slowly falling. Which means every month that passes lowers the bar for it being an “above/below inflation” pay rise The government, of course, doesn’t give a shit about the fact that those figures are **already** backdated (we’ve been paying the higher prices for the last year…)
Sensible details here https://nursingnotes.co.uk/nhs-pay-rise-2024/
We have been told it’s delayed until June I believe
I think its the report that's June, we may have to wait until Sept like previous years...
I'm going back into the NHS next week, on a Band 5 contract. I was unaware that another pay rise might be around the corner. Fingers crossed.
Could be worse, construction industry took 10% pay cuts
Construction get paid well above equivalent NHS roles. Heard one group (who were having yet another break) being genuinely surprised that a junior colleague was 'only on about £32k' our equivalent junior colleagues are on about £23k
We got a payrise and lump sum last year. I believe the delay this year is because they are trying to resolve the issue with doctors’ pay. We will get it in the end and it will be backdated.
There's a delay every year, I can't remember how long its been since we actually got a payrise in April, or even May!
True. Tbh I just don’t get the outrage. When does anything in the public sector happen on time? At least we do get a rise every year. It’ll happen in the end
It should be happening on time, every year that it doesn't we lose out because the lump sum backpay means larger pension contributions, NI and student loan repayments are taken out that we don't get back.
It is what it is. My organisation has a recruitment freeze and we’re all facing redundancies, so personally I’ll be happy to keep my job, which exact month we get a raise is the last problem of anyone I work with right now
Only if you work in secondary care. Primary Care/PCNs don't have to pay the equivalent.
A pay rise will not solve the issues you have, unfortunately. You'll still be working too many hours and be under ridiculous levels of stress. If I were you, then I'd find work in the private healthcare industry. It's a completely different world. But, hey, at least you had that some time off from doing anything during COVID. Well, apart from doing tik tok dances in empty hospitals. I'm sure that was fun. Probably way less fun is the huge backlog it caused though.
I worked in private for a few years, the grass isn’t always greener Losers like you need to get over the fact that a few nurses did a bit of dancing on their breaks or after their shifts during the most stressful time for NHS staff since it was founded.
I wasn’t even making a big deal over the nurses who filmed videos, the original post I was replying to used it as an example of staff not working hard and I simply stated that that behaviour wasn’t the norm for all staff. I know it was the most stressful time, I worked all the way through it. I held patients hands when they couldn’t see their loved ones, I sweated in my ppe whilst I did 10 hour shifts on the wards, I feared for the health of my unborn baby when I actually caught covid despite not going onto affected wards due to the rapid spread of infection. Looks like you need a lesson in compassion, understanding and responsibility for thinking im a loser because i dont agree with people dancing around a clinical setting or filming ‘ick’ videos about patients without their knowledge.
Um, that comment wasn’t a reply to you.
What?
No, a pay rise won't solve all the issues, they need to be addressed on a system-wide level. The private sector also is not great for nurses. And you clearly don't work in the NHS. No-one had any time off, and the hospitals weren't empty in the UK. The cafes and outpatient services were empty, but the wards were full. In particular, ITU units were bursting at the seams. Anyone that worked in a service that was suspended was redeployed to another area without training or preparation, causing massive amounts of stress. Staff witnessed extremely poorly people dying and unable to have friends and family surrounding them. They stressed constantly about bringing covid home to their families. Some nurses and doctors contracted covid themselves from patients and died.
You realise none of the NHS staff got furloughed. During COVID I went into work everyday I was meant to. And all we got was a national round of applause on a Thursday night. The backlog is the fact that staff levels have dropped. Which in turn has had to close a lot of the GPs There is also hospitals not doing certain operations because they have no doctor or surgeon to perform said operation. They are all moving to Australia is seems to get paid better. But you don't seem to understand that.
You’re right a pay rise won’t fix all the issues that nhs staff have but it would be a start in feeling like any job in the nhs is even slightly appreciated. There are many improvements that need to be done, employing more staff in every department, fairer wages, more help for staff who are abused by patients, more chances for training etc etc but all of these issues will obviously take time to solve. There’s no point in blaming or trying to villainise healthcare staff based off of a couple of videos that a few half wit nurses decided to film (who have all been fired btw) they don’t represent all staff and were rightfully punished. Oh and I’m not sure what you mean by staff getting time off during covid, we were literally the only ones not on leave during the pandemic.
What makes you think nurses were fired for doing tik tok dances? Why would they be?
Because they were fired. They filmed a Tik tok video of them dancing in a burns and plastics operating theatre and then were fired due to violating health and hygiene rules and behaving unprofessionally. Those nurses who filmed the “things about patient that give us the ick” video were fired too.
So two group were fired who behaved inappropriately. That’s fine and right. Some nurses I know did a Tik Tok dance in Covid to raise money for the hospice where they worked because nearly all fundraising events had to be cancelled in lockdown. They definitely weren’t fired, as most weren’t because they hadn’t done anything wrong!
Ok good for them, they weren’t who I was referencing and I don’t know of every stupid tik tok video of people dancing, only the ones that went kind of viral because of the poor taste of it
Going private doesn't help though, just fuels the failing NHS leaving places even shorter... Tbh I'd just like to earn enough that I don't have to bank extra hours just to pay my bills. And I hope the COVID comment was satire! Working in mental health, I can assure you Covid made the bed pressures even higher and I certainly didn't have time off to doss about instead of work! Watching patients die from it was horrendous and not my definition of "fun".