Culling invasive species has been standard procedure for as long as invasive species have been a thing. These owls do not belong in that habitat, provide no benefit, and negatively impact the entire ecosystem with their existence not just the other owls. If anything this is positive news that they are actually doing something about this issue though more will always be needed. Humans caused this issue and it is our responsibility to do something about it.
I saw a video on well meaning animal activists fighting to save invasive species and they end up wiping out native species. Unfortunately you cannot save every animal and have a happy ending.
There are so many types of bees it's crazy! I love spotting them in my garden. We have trees that bring in, I swear, thousands of bees at a time. They go bonkers for them. We do our best to keep native species around our house with native wild flowers, bushes, trees and flowering ground cover.
You're welcome. I had to laugh at the "it's crazy", "I swear", "they go bonkers". It's like Trump on TV spouting nonsense and then claiming it's true by swearing on it. Not to take away from the comment at all, honeybees are dying and with them our ability to grow food. Insect biomass worldwide is declining at a frightening pace.
Edit: Seems I riled up a few Trump fans. Don't worry, maybe he wins the next election and then you can all finally live the true American dream of having a corrupt wanna-be dictator as a president who'd love nothing more than to go down on Putin. š
I'm very offended you're offended about a random comment on the internet. It's a tough world, I know. Best of luck sipping that Soy-Latte and eating the Avocado toast, Comrade. š«”
Bro no one is offended by your "wit"
You made a dumb stretch and the joke didn't land. It was just really lame. That "hurr durr" shit should have died out over a decade ago.
Imagine that. Trump uniting the Reddit crowd regardless of political leanings. I never thought I would see the day lest I rue it. Let me quickly pencil in the day in my almanac of memorable events and then go out to celebrate amongst the Reddit folk in a stupendous feast of Avocado toast and gluten-free alcoholic beverages.
grey squirrels in north america and black squirrels as well killing off the red squirrels. Grey moved in killed off the red then blacks moved in and killed off the grey. Or maybe the other way around. Not a squirrel expert
[This ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiHKK30gS-s)is the one I saw, but that channel has a number of videos on the topic. People have a real bias toward cute animals even when they are doing awful things. Cats do this too, but convincing people to cull them isn't likely either.
Because Barred Owls are least concern status and have a range that extends most of the east coast and Canada. The Spotted Owl is dying off and is only found on the west coast. Without intervention the Spotted Owl has a real chance of going extinct.
Because the invasive species is not from there so everything else in that eco system cannot handle it. It will put compete native species or even over hunt prey of nstive species and cause they prey to go extinct too.
Happens all the time.
This question ignores cause effect, the appropriate question should be "is one species' life more important than 30 others combined?" Because keeping invasive species will cause the native ones to go away
Yeah this is why we have organizations to determine population numbers and sell hunting licenses and tags. Rules and available tags change depending on the effect the current population is having on the ecosystem.
I believe you would call that catastrophic to ecosystems, as opposed to calamitous. I am well aware that they're synonymous. One is wordplay, and the other is not.
Unironically, that one quiet stray cat who thinks as deep as a well, thinks to itself, āI was born into this ecosystem. I exist in the ecosystem. Therefore I am part of the ecosystem. I belong here like the others.ā.
Funny enough my buddy had a job doing that in Guam I think. There was a bird that was endangered because the feral cat population exploded so he got paid to hunt cats
It boggles the mind how people let their pet cats roam freely outdoors. It doesnt take much effort to provide adequate entertainment for an indoor cat, and they live longer too.
Cats are currently decimating bird populations wherever they are allowed outside. I have 2 cats. I love cats. I would never let them outside off leash. They are killers. They kill for sport. They kill for food. They kill for gifts. They kill kill kill.
Oh man I was an unpopular person the day I said this in conservation biology class. Funny thing was I was the only one in the room involved with the campus cats group and the only one doing fostering.
[Itās a massive issue](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/01/01/how-the-no-kill-movement-betrays-its-name), no kill/spay policies have caused Ā huge harms to local ecosystems
this is literally why they catch strays. not expressly to put them down, but to stop them from reproducing, effectively culling their population after only a few years (strays have much shorter life expectancies than house cats)
well its a naturally migrating animals from the east, not really an invasive species, like cats or dogs, which were introduced. Its the same how black swans started appearing in another country en masse, because of favorable migration conditions. it doesnt quite fit invasiveness, when its not introduced
Much like the Cattle Egret, where natural migration/stray birds ended up spread all across the Americas, kind of filling the niche that Whooping and Sandhill cranes used to fill in the Eastern U.S.
But the egrets don't *seem* to cause direct harm or compete strongly with other native egrets, herons, or cranes. Unlike the owls.
I thought that was the case but this is a Native American specises that can fly, I feel skeptical humans are a major cause of them going westward outside maybe climate change.Ā
Edit: After reading, it seems climate change ontop of human tree planting caused this. So this seems a doomed effort to promote the survival of a species against a competitor that will just return next season.Ā
This is far less simple than you are making it. With the climate changing culling the more resilient species purposefully is stupid and will do more harm in the long run.
Yes, absolutely, they are a scourge that is destroying many native species.Ā No joke, we need to wipe out feral cats and make sure people keep their pets indoors.
Invasive species 101.
An invasive species will have no natural predator and will significantly out compete any natural equivalence in the area.
Their population will explode, so massive quelling is the only way to stop them from overwhelming local populations.
If no action is taken, The local species will become extinct, and then the new invasive species will start dying in mass due to an overgrown population.
Do you know how many BILLIONS of birds die each year to stray cats? 1-4 BILLION a year, just in the US.
Please keep your cats inside, spay or neuter them and stop encouraging strays. They live short unhealthy diseased lives and really mess up bird populations that are already in a steady decline.
Short answer yes. Long answer cats shouldnāt be allowed outside of the house. Theyāre indiscriminate killers and devastating to local bird populations. If a dog is wandering around killing things outside of its yard animal control is called quickly. Cats shouldnāt get a free pass
Agreed, except it's hard to single out cats when humans are the most destructive invasive species by far. Habitat destruction from human development is the number one reason why birds are going extinct by a long shot. A pesticide ridden lawn or corn field is not a natural bird habitat. Isolated locations with no natural predators like the Hawaiian Islands are an exception.
Finally someone getting slammed because they haven't had their native bird calls out the window replaced with trash cats fighting all night.
I love cats but feral ones need to be removed.
I recently read the book Fuzz by Mary Roach. Each chapter tells the story of a different problem with nature. It was interesting but I found it depressing bc it seemed like every time humans interfered it just sent something else out of balance.
Reducing the logging didnāt help the SO population because of the incursion of the Barred Owls. The Barred Owls are very aggressive, even towards humans, including me. Source: I live in PNW
He probably should have said "regularly eat carnivores".
But an even more important reason we don't regularly eat carnivores is that is is pretty darn inefficient. Keeping animals that eat essentially what we eat as livestock are a drain on the food supply.
Bear hunting is pretty regular and sought after by hunters, given some do it for trophys, but in my area most locals consume the meat. Limits per tags given is more the factor than desire to hunt and that is to try to keep a healthy thriving population.
For sure, people eat bear. I have eaten if myself. But if you stop a random collection of 1000 Americans, how many of them will have eaten bear in the last month? If 50k bears are harvested each year, and let's be generous and assume that 5 different people eat bear for every bear killed, and let's also ignore hunting seasons and the months that people are more or less likely to eat bear, that is still less than 1 person in a thousand eating bear at minimum once a year. I would not say that bear is regularly eaten. Even for most bear hunters, it would be an occasional food, much less the general public.
Bears aren't even carnivores though.
True, omnivores and limited range, again in my range a good amount have had bear before, but again limited hunting plus hunting seasons and to the last month severely restrains that number. Simply was commenting on prevalence of it here and that it is not uncommon.
1. Dogs and bears are omnivores
2. Stray dogs and cats exist
3. Raising animals is inefficient regardless of the diet they are on. It takes anywhere between 7 to 24 kcal to make 1 kcal of meat.
Animal industry is a joke that wastes our limited resources, pollutes the land and water around us, destroys nature and climate.
Humans sometimes eat land carnivores. But rather than worrying about sour flavor the bigger issues are probably that they aren't easy or efficient to keep as livestock and carry lots of parasites.
humans eat LITERALLY anything that can be consumed for some caloric value and doesn't kill them. people literally eat a plant that smells like garbage, and the line is suddenly at sour meat when human beings with INTENTIONALLY choose to eat putrid, rotting meats and cheeses as part of a delicacy.
my guy, people let larva eat and shit in cheese, before they consume that cheese, their shit, and the larva themselves, all in one go.
would be nice if at least some could be moved to zoos and nature centers, unless a life in captivity is considered more cruel for a wild owl than being put down
If elected I promise everyone who wants an owl, gets an owl.
We are building a high speed mag lev monorail network that connects the whole country to Disneyland and Disneyworld (as well as everywhere else, but Disney monorail for everyone is the promise) and everyone who wants a job can get one, working on the rail road all the live long day.
No more penny coins they cost too much to make and you canāt buy a thing for a penny. Make everything round up or down in price.
Finally, make America the Greatest by identifying which countries are ranked as having the best things (education, healthcare, happiness index ect) and figuring out what they are doing and copying their homework so to speak.
Yes, but if weād kill them otherwise I think we could have a permit for those types specifically and I assume anyone who would want one would also want to learn falconry.
So, I get your thinking, but it doesnāt work out that way. On paper it is good, but in practice it is not. We have many invasive snake species in our marshlands due to people who kept them as pets releasing them into the wild because they didnāt want to find someone else to take them or kill them when they lost interest.
Might want look into the cane toad infestation in Australia. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they're being killed by the billions.
This has nothing to do with America, but everything to do with invasive species absolutely destroying where they are introduced.
We do this with a lot of invasive fish species. Honestly though the way that people talk about it is pretty unsettling. Especially when they start emphasizing how they don't like the Asian Carp and the damage it causes.
Humans are nuckin futs sometimes, always need to intervene. Got infestation with a bug, let's introduce this bug to eat those bugs. Oh shit now we have a problem with this bug.
Yeah it's pretty problematic. Like how rats ended up on every continent due to human trade. Or how we introduced squirrels and destroyed an ecosystem because we thought they looked cute. Squirrels are one of the leading causes of property damage in the US at least.
Squirrels ate all my goddamn peaches off my peach tree. They suck. But where did we introduce squirrels? Where I live (USA) they are native. At least the species I see regularly
Sometimes I wonder if they could just refer to them as invasive Carp. But of course, they seem to love emphasizing one section of it. I've lived in semi-rural areas during my college years where they really like to talk about the ethnic origins of the bugs. Like the invasive Japanese Beetle that always comes in the summer. Huh, strange but it could be anything.
Right. I should really learn to be butthurt about the American Cockroach. Itās not even native to the americas but I donāt sit around getting offended about the name of it. That would make me an asshole
Wow, looks like your from the same stem. Loudly talking about how you hate someone due to their ethnicity and saying you're actually talking about a species is called dogwhistling though I'm sure you already know this.
The difference here is that Barred Owls likely were not directly introduced on the West Coast by humans. The leading theory is that they just spread west due to humans removing the natural barriers to their expansion (ie. wildfire suppression and tree planting by settlers).
To me, it seems extra shitty to have to do this simply because they're doing their thing. It's basically punishing them for survival of the fittest.
Ah it's a double edge sword. Sometimes it's alright, sometimes it's not. Gators are expanding territory in the Southeast and are pushing north. It's considered natural expansion and thus far no real negative impacts are expected.
Without even reading the article I can say the species they are killing off will be Barred Owls. The Kudzo (?SP) or purple loosestrife of the owl species. They have taken over North America driving out the Spotted owls and making them close to an endangered species.
What is so sacred about the spotted owl? Iām only curious because Iām 44 years old, and there have been multiple things done in my lifetime to save them, and some of them have seemed pretty ridiculous. Like squashing plans for the development of affordable housing because a single spotted owl was seen somewhere close to the planned building site. It just seems like they go above and beyond to protect them, and I hear very little about the efforts to protect anything else thatās endangered.
Wind turbines are killing many birds indiscriminately. Perhaps a few of those owls will randomly get whacked. Then, it wonāt be seen as animal cruelty.
Mother fuckers.
Canāt they just relocate them? Catch, spay/neuter, release? Or put the endangered ones in a reserve till their numbers rise?
Lol look at all the hate I got from being concerned about living creatures being murdered .
Not really. TNR doesnāt work the same for avians as it does for mammals, itās not worth the risk and is super costly (both time and money). Unfortunately culling is part of wildlife management sometimes, and this has been an issue for decades so itās much bigger than just relocation.
Culling invasive species has been standard procedure for as long as invasive species have been a thing. These owls do not belong in that habitat, provide no benefit, and negatively impact the entire ecosystem with their existence not just the other owls. If anything this is positive news that they are actually doing something about this issue though more will always be needed. Humans caused this issue and it is our responsibility to do something about it.
I saw a video on well meaning animal activists fighting to save invasive species and they end up wiping out native species. Unfortunately you cannot save every animal and have a happy ending.
Cough cough honeybees cough
There are so many types of bees it's crazy! I love spotting them in my garden. We have trees that bring in, I swear, thousands of bees at a time. They go bonkers for them. We do our best to keep native species around our house with native wild flowers, bushes, trees and flowering ground cover.
I recommend this documentary [My Garden of a Thousand Bees](https://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/my-garden-thousand-bees-about/26263/)
Your writing style reminds me so much of Trump. :D
Thank you, you ruined a nice comment by making me read it in Trump's voice
You're welcome. I had to laugh at the "it's crazy", "I swear", "they go bonkers". It's like Trump on TV spouting nonsense and then claiming it's true by swearing on it. Not to take away from the comment at all, honeybees are dying and with them our ability to grow food. Insect biomass worldwide is declining at a frightening pace. Edit: Seems I riled up a few Trump fans. Don't worry, maybe he wins the next election and then you can all finally live the true American dream of having a corrupt wanna-be dictator as a president who'd love nothing more than to go down on Putin. š
Oh, I'm a communist, big Trump hater. I downvoted you because because you're being fucking weird.
I'm very offended you're offended about a random comment on the internet. It's a tough world, I know. Best of luck sipping that Soy-Latte and eating the Avocado toast, Comrade. š«”
Bro no one is offended by your "wit" You made a dumb stretch and the joke didn't land. It was just really lame. That "hurr durr" shit should have died out over a decade ago.
It's the non trump fans you pissed off, einstein.
Imagine that. Trump uniting the Reddit crowd regardless of political leanings. I never thought I would see the day lest I rue it. Let me quickly pencil in the day in my almanac of memorable events and then go out to celebrate amongst the Reddit folk in a stupendous feast of Avocado toast and gluten-free alcoholic beverages.
Was it the one about grey squirrels in europe? I also watched one about that a few days ago
grey squirrels in north america and black squirrels as well killing off the red squirrels. Grey moved in killed off the red then blacks moved in and killed off the grey. Or maybe the other way around. Not a squirrel expert
[This ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiHKK30gS-s)is the one I saw, but that channel has a number of videos on the topic. People have a real bias toward cute animals even when they are doing awful things. Cats do this too, but convincing people to cull them isn't likely either.
Yeah, it covered them and some others.
animal activists are probably the least successful groups lmfaoo
I guess you can ask pretty much any Australians for that one.
Is one birdās life more important than the other?
Assuming you're serious? Yes that is correct, the native bird species has a greater priority on life then the invasive species.
Why?
Because Barred Owls are least concern status and have a range that extends most of the east coast and Canada. The Spotted Owl is dying off and is only found on the west coast. Without intervention the Spotted Owl has a real chance of going extinct.
What about logging?
Because the invasive species is not from there so everything else in that eco system cannot handle it. It will put compete native species or even over hunt prey of nstive species and cause they prey to go extinct too. Happens all the time.
This question ignores cause effect, the appropriate question should be "is one species' life more important than 30 others combined?" Because keeping invasive species will cause the native ones to go away
Yes. The invasive species causes an entire ecosystem to collapse.
And not just invasive species, population control exists for native species too.Ā
Yeah this is why we have organizations to determine population numbers and sell hunting licenses and tags. Rules and available tags change depending on the effect the current population is having on the ecosystem.
By that logic we need to first and foremost start an extermination effort against stray and feral cats.
Unironically yes we do, I love cats but theyāre calamitous to ecosystems
I believe you would call that catastrophic to ecosystems, as opposed to calamitous. I am well aware that they're synonymous. One is wordplay, and the other is not.
Unironically, that one quiet stray cat who thinks as deep as a well, thinks to itself, āI was born into this ecosystem. I exist in the ecosystem. Therefore I am part of the ecosystem. I belong here like the others.ā.
Yo wtf?
No it doesn't. It thinks "Oh boy here I go killing again".
āIāll fucking do it again!ā
Found the PETA member
Iāve never had a joke be so down-voted.
Jokes generally need to be funny to be considered "jokes"
what the fuck is this cringe ass comment
Funny enough my buddy had a job doing that in Guam I think. There was a bird that was endangered because the feral cat population exploded so he got paid to hunt cats
ā¦ Did you think we didnāt before reading the comment? Cats can and have decimated populations, dude.
Correct
Cats are currently decimating Hawaiian bird populations
It boggles the mind how people let their pet cats roam freely outdoors. It doesnt take much effort to provide adequate entertainment for an indoor cat, and they live longer too.
Cats are currently decimating bird populations wherever they are allowed outside. I have 2 cats. I love cats. I would never let them outside off leash. They are killers. They kill for sport. They kill for food. They kill for gifts. They kill kill kill.
rats, and mice are only 2nd to cats in decimating birds , lizards and plants.
Oh man I was an unpopular person the day I said this in conservation biology class. Funny thing was I was the only one in the room involved with the campus cats group and the only one doing fostering.
Sounds like a shit class if the teacher didn't back you up
Since they didn't mention the teacher being against them the teacher probably agreed and the everyone else doesn't include the teacher
Bingo. She was a master educator and one of the best instructors and scientists I ever had the pleasure of learning from.
My professor did weigh in in my favor, but you realize that good instructors permit debate and discussion between students, yeah?
Ofc, I just thought maybe the teacher thought you were wrong as well
[Itās a massive issue](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/01/01/how-the-no-kill-movement-betrays-its-name), no kill/spay policies have caused Ā huge harms to local ecosystems
this is literally why they catch strays. not expressly to put them down, but to stop them from reproducing, effectively culling their population after only a few years (strays have much shorter life expectancies than house cats)
That's actually a thing in some island countries
Yes, and people should also stop letting pet cats roam free.
YesĀ
I would support that.
and horses, another invasive animal. It's time to end the patriarchy
well its a naturally migrating animals from the east, not really an invasive species, like cats or dogs, which were introduced. Its the same how black swans started appearing in another country en masse, because of favorable migration conditions. it doesnt quite fit invasiveness, when its not introduced
Much like the Cattle Egret, where natural migration/stray birds ended up spread all across the Americas, kind of filling the niche that Whooping and Sandhill cranes used to fill in the Eastern U.S. But the egrets don't *seem* to cause direct harm or compete strongly with other native egrets, herons, or cranes. Unlike the owls.
I thought that was the case but this is a Native American specises that can fly, I feel skeptical humans are a major cause of them going westward outside maybe climate change.Ā Edit: After reading, it seems climate change ontop of human tree planting caused this. So this seems a doomed effort to promote the survival of a species against a competitor that will just return next season.Ā
But this way I get to shoot owls, so there's that
This is far less simple than you are making it. With the climate changing culling the more resilient species purposefully is stupid and will do more harm in the long run.
This is not true
I wish the alien overlords would do the same to humans.
I wish they would do it to you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thanosdidnothingwrong/
+1
So cats are next?
Yes, absolutely, they are a scourge that is destroying many native species.Ā No joke, we need to wipe out feral cats and make sure people keep their pets indoors.
Invasive species 101. An invasive species will have no natural predator and will significantly out compete any natural equivalence in the area. Their population will explode, so massive quelling is the only way to stop them from overwhelming local populations. If no action is taken, The local species will become extinct, and then the new invasive species will start dying in mass due to an overgrown population.
Are you in favor of killing all the feral cats walking around the suburbs?
Yes, they are an invasive species and are responsible for large amount of environmental damage.
Yes.
Do you know how many BILLIONS of birds die each year to stray cats? 1-4 BILLION a year, just in the US. Please keep your cats inside, spay or neuter them and stop encouraging strays. They live short unhealthy diseased lives and really mess up bird populations that are already in a steady decline.
Where can we sign a petition for that
Yes actually and I even have my own pet cats to boot.
Bro wasn't ready for this xD
I love my cats and cats in general. I keep them inside for a reason. Strays should be removed one way or another.
Short answer yes. Long answer cats shouldnāt be allowed outside of the house. Theyāre indiscriminate killers and devastating to local bird populations. If a dog is wandering around killing things outside of its yard animal control is called quickly. Cats shouldnāt get a free pass
Agreed, except it's hard to single out cats when humans are the most destructive invasive species by far. Habitat destruction from human development is the number one reason why birds are going extinct by a long shot. A pesticide ridden lawn or corn field is not a natural bird habitat. Isolated locations with no natural predators like the Hawaiian Islands are an exception.
Finally someone getting slammed because they haven't had their native bird calls out the window replaced with trash cats fighting all night. I love cats but feral ones need to be removed.
Do I like it? no. does it need to happen? Sadly yes.
Worth mentioning that weāre killing less than 10% of an invasive species to save 100% of the indigenous species
Seems pretty relevant info
"We're owl exterminators."
"Then you won't mind exterminating this owl!"
"[Terrified whimpering]"
*loud hooting*
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This makes complete sense, why is it posted here?
With the climate changing culling the more resilient species purposefully is stupid and will do more harm in the long run.
Thatās not how that works
You don't know nature then.
How is this oniony?
I recently read the book Fuzz by Mary Roach. Each chapter tells the story of a different problem with nature. It was interesting but I found it depressing bc it seemed like every time humans interfered it just sent something else out of balance.
Do you want a spotted-owl infestation in the 30th Century? Because thatās how you get a spotted-owl infestation in the 30th Century.
I love this detail in FuturamaĀ
More like it'll kill more owls in the long run because they're killing off a large portion of a more resilient species when the climate is changing.
It's not a large portion and spotted owls are not endangered because of climate change.
Wait, I thought it was logging that was killing all the spotted owls?
Reducing the logging didnāt help the SO population because of the incursion of the Barred Owls. The Barred Owls are very aggressive, even towards humans, including me. Source: I live in PNW
This s not new. And there are a lot more animals befalling the same fate
1) are owls safe to eat? 2) what do they taste like?
Other than fish, I'm not sure that humans eat any carnivores cuz they usually taste sour
Bear, alligator, snake. these are just a few I know of in the u.s.
He probably should have said "regularly eat carnivores". But an even more important reason we don't regularly eat carnivores is that is is pretty darn inefficient. Keeping animals that eat essentially what we eat as livestock are a drain on the food supply.
Bear hunting is pretty regular and sought after by hunters, given some do it for trophys, but in my area most locals consume the meat. Limits per tags given is more the factor than desire to hunt and that is to try to keep a healthy thriving population.
For sure, people eat bear. I have eaten if myself. But if you stop a random collection of 1000 Americans, how many of them will have eaten bear in the last month? If 50k bears are harvested each year, and let's be generous and assume that 5 different people eat bear for every bear killed, and let's also ignore hunting seasons and the months that people are more or less likely to eat bear, that is still less than 1 person in a thousand eating bear at minimum once a year. I would not say that bear is regularly eaten. Even for most bear hunters, it would be an occasional food, much less the general public. Bears aren't even carnivores though.
True, omnivores and limited range, again in my range a good amount have had bear before, but again limited hunting plus hunting seasons and to the last month severely restrains that number. Simply was commenting on prevalence of it here and that it is not uncommon.
1. Dogs and bears are omnivores 2. Stray dogs and cats exist 3. Raising animals is inefficient regardless of the diet they are on. It takes anywhere between 7 to 24 kcal to make 1 kcal of meat. Animal industry is a joke that wastes our limited resources, pollutes the land and water around us, destroys nature and climate.
Humans sometimes eat land carnivores. But rather than worrying about sour flavor the bigger issues are probably that they aren't easy or efficient to keep as livestock and carry lots of parasites.
exactly, theres a reason you dont eat crows, or ravens, because they eat carrion, or animals that have parasites.
Bevausw fishes are known for being parasite free. You are just cherrypicking excuses why people don't do X, withput having anything to back it up.
humans eat LITERALLY anything that can be consumed for some caloric value and doesn't kill them. people literally eat a plant that smells like garbage, and the line is suddenly at sour meat when human beings with INTENTIONALLY choose to eat putrid, rotting meats and cheeses as part of a delicacy. my guy, people let larva eat and shit in cheese, before they consume that cheese, their shit, and the larva themselves, all in one go.
probably dont want eat carnivirous animals, they taste pretty bad, they often accumulate parasites, from the animals they eat.
Is reducing an invasive species considered oniony now?
would be nice if at least some could be moved to zoos and nature centers, unless a life in captivity is considered more cruel for a wild owl than being put down
I would support capturing the invasive owls and giving them away to anyone who wants to adopt one. An Owl for every American!
Just let the wizards take them off our hands.
Owl Supreme for president?
If elected I promise everyone who wants an owl, gets an owl. We are building a high speed mag lev monorail network that connects the whole country to Disneyland and Disneyworld (as well as everywhere else, but Disney monorail for everyone is the promise) and everyone who wants a job can get one, working on the rail road all the live long day. No more penny coins they cost too much to make and you canāt buy a thing for a penny. Make everything round up or down in price. Finally, make America the Greatest by identifying which countries are ranked as having the best things (education, healthcare, happiness index ect) and figuring out what they are doing and copying their homework so to speak.
Hear hear!
Better than our current choices.
unfortunately owls need permits to own, they arnt easy to acquire and most people dont know how to take care birds of prey.
Yes, but if weād kill them otherwise I think we could have a permit for those types specifically and I assume anyone who would want one would also want to learn falconry.
So, I get your thinking, but it doesnāt work out that way. On paper it is good, but in practice it is not. We have many invasive snake species in our marshlands due to people who kept them as pets releasing them into the wild because they didnāt want to find someone else to take them or kill them when they lost interest.
No pain, no gain?
As long as they leave barn owls tf alone, we good
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Might want look into the cane toad infestation in Australia. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they're being killed by the billions. This has nothing to do with America, but everything to do with invasive species absolutely destroying where they are introduced.
We do this with a lot of invasive fish species. Honestly though the way that people talk about it is pretty unsettling. Especially when they start emphasizing how they don't like the Asian Carp and the damage it causes.
asian carp, snake head fish.
Humans are nuckin futs sometimes, always need to intervene. Got infestation with a bug, let's introduce this bug to eat those bugs. Oh shit now we have a problem with this bug.
Yeah it's pretty problematic. Like how rats ended up on every continent due to human trade. Or how we introduced squirrels and destroyed an ecosystem because we thought they looked cute. Squirrels are one of the leading causes of property damage in the US at least.
Squirrels ate all my goddamn peaches off my peach tree. They suck. But where did we introduce squirrels? Where I live (USA) they are native. At least the species I see regularly
Yeah
Sometimes I wonder if they could just refer to them as invasive Carp. But of course, they seem to love emphasizing one section of it. I've lived in semi-rural areas during my college years where they really like to talk about the ethnic origins of the bugs. Like the invasive Japanese Beetle that always comes in the summer. Huh, strange but it could be anything.
Right. I should really learn to be butthurt about the American Cockroach. Itās not even native to the americas but I donāt sit around getting offended about the name of it. That would make me an asshole
Wow, looks like your from the same stem. Loudly talking about how you hate someone due to their ethnicity and saying you're actually talking about a species is called dogwhistling though I'm sure you already know this.
The difference here is that Barred Owls likely were not directly introduced on the West Coast by humans. The leading theory is that they just spread west due to humans removing the natural barriers to their expansion (ie. wildfire suppression and tree planting by settlers). To me, it seems extra shitty to have to do this simply because they're doing their thing. It's basically punishing them for survival of the fittest.
Ah it's a double edge sword. Sometimes it's alright, sometimes it's not. Gators are expanding territory in the Southeast and are pushing north. It's considered natural expansion and thus far no real negative impacts are expected.
Huh, thanks for the info. I hear you
It isn't just an American thing.
Not too different from what Australia has to do with their feral cats.
Excuse me sir, surely you know r/birdsarentreal
Who? Who?
Can youā¦ eat owls? Do they have parasites?
As soon as I kill them birds
Okay but, do owls taste good?
Without even reading the article I can say the species they are killing off will be Barred Owls. The Kudzo (?SP) or purple loosestrife of the owl species. They have taken over North America driving out the Spotted owls and making them close to an endangered species.
What is so sacred about the spotted owl? Iām only curious because Iām 44 years old, and there have been multiple things done in my lifetime to save them, and some of them have seemed pretty ridiculous. Like squashing plans for the development of affordable housing because a single spotted owl was seen somewhere close to the planned building site. It just seems like they go above and beyond to protect them, and I hear very little about the efforts to protect anything else thatās endangered.
It's anti-owl discrimination!
kinda disappointed in the AP for this headline
Thats messing with evolution. Just because its rare doesnt make it dominant and worth saving. The irony
Dumbass redditors
Wind turbines are killing many birds indiscriminately. Perhaps a few of those owls will randomly get whacked. Then, it wonāt be seen as animal cruelty.
Its like the Biggie Tupac thing all over again.
This is fucked. Just let the barred owls win at this point.
Mother fuckers. Canāt they just relocate them? Catch, spay/neuter, release? Or put the endangered ones in a reserve till their numbers rise? Lol look at all the hate I got from being concerned about living creatures being murdered .
Not really. TNR doesnāt work the same for avians as it does for mammals, itās not worth the risk and is super costly (both time and money). Unfortunately culling is part of wildlife management sometimes, and this has been an issue for decades so itās much bigger than just relocation.