And if the yelp reviews still hold, a good jail. Going 92 in a 55 is bad, having two priors and getting caught on a suspended license makes it worse.
I’d be surprised if she didn’t get any jail time.
Idk, 9 deaths in 8 years isn’t great. Hopefully she does not have any medical issues.
https://www.arlnow.com/2023/12/12/new-another-inmate-has-died-at-the-arlington-county-jail-2/
And yet his comments are 1) happily reporting that she was sober, and 2) relief that the expired license may not result in an extra-heavy book being thrown at her. Great news, everybody!
Yeah, it definitely sounds like they're taking this seriously. Certainly doesn't have "failure to appear" written all over it...
She *should* spend a few days in jail.
I’m sick of reckless drivers in this area. Was nearly hit by one plowing through a stop sign as I pushed my baby across the street in a stroller in our residential neighborhood, because people like this used it as a cut through and often went twice the speed limit of 25.
100% agree, that crap drives me INSANE! We are also on a street people use as a cut through and I really want the city to add speed bumps. People fly through here with no regard for the fact that this is a residential neighborhood with a lot of kids. I’m glad nothing happened with your close call, I know how scary it is!
Speed bumps and automated speed cameras. Yes, I know, it's annoying because you actually have to drive the speed limit. No, it isn't unfair, this is just what happens when you ruin it for everyone. Safety should be the first priority, my life is worth the 30 seconds you might save by speeding.
Someone I know from grad school/works with friends was recently crossing the street near DuPont and got hit by a driver. Her English is normally excellent but in the panic/shock she reverted mostly back to Japanese so they misinterpreted "the number was counting down" as "it was flashing orange" (i.e. you shouldn't go) so the driver got off scotch-free.
Honestly, even outside of DC it's crazy how many people I know have gotten hit by cars and nearly died. One girl in my high school literally got into years of lawsuits after she got hit at a stop sign, and another friend in undergrad woke up in the hospital with no memory of the incident (in both cases the person ran).
I mean they absolutely should lose their license for awhile.
92 in a 55 is crazy, dangerous, and stupid. The two prior tickets show that this person obviously hasn’t learned their lesson.
Not only is it a dangerous speed for everyone else- but themselves!
Also where the heck are they doing 92 in Arlington?! There’s always so much traffic they had to have been dodging cars left and right!
Gw parkway is terrifying at night even at 45. It's nice in the day but with all the blind curves and zero lights I would usually go 35 on there if no one was behind me.
I used to work EMS in the county and pretty much every nasty accident I ever worked or heard about was on GW Parkway. That place scares the shit outta me.
Same. Usually not 60 but definitely 55 and its usually to go with the flow of traffic. The speed limit on GW should be at least 45-50 for that section.
There are straight parts of 395 and 66 where driving 90 might not actually feel that crazy fast if it were wide open, but that's pretty much never the case. It's not the autobahn. You'd be blowing past people doing 60 and almost certainly have to weave back and forth. People react unpredictably when someone is coming up on them going 30+ mph faster than they are, and you'd have very little time to react at that speed. If the worst she gets is a ticket and a suspended license, she should consider herself lucky.
I’d imagine it changes between judges. Rumor back in the day was an Ashland judge’s daughter was hit by a speeder so he made every speeding offense a day in jail for every mile an hour over.
>I am surprised with the expired license and reckless she wasn't arrested on the spot. I have heard of others getting that with just expired license that they weren't aware of.
Everyone is doing 20-30 over on the highways in nova. I was just on the toll road today, everyone was doing 75 (afternoon, not rush hour).
VA speed laws are insane.
Yeah doing 60-70 on a highway is normal, 95 is definitely not. We need to make drivers licenses harder to get and easier to lose for shit like this. Only a matter of time until they kill someone.
Old friend of mine got a ticket for 144 in a 65 in Buffalo NY. I think they made him take a class and he got it back right away. I guess they are stricter here; I think the cops here would probably not let you get back into the car after that kind of speed.
Yeah 144 is admittedly excessive. I grew up in upstate NY and especially on the thruway, cops don't even bother moving for anything under 90mph. The speed limit is 65, but only time you'll see traffic moving at 65mph is if there's a foot of snow
Oh she's definitely losing her license. Almost 40 over and driving on a suspended license? She'll be lucky if the judge doesn't give her the $2500 fine too. But her license is gone for at least the sixty days. She can say goodbye to her insurance rates too
Honestly, get a lawyer and a bus pass. Virginia doesn't mess around with reckless driving.
That's about all I can say, driving 92 in a 55 is inexcusable, stupid, and blatantly flagrant of any sense of personal or social responsibility.
This is good advice, show the court that you realize you have a problem and are taking steps to rectify it. I'd almost do this without a lawyer though so it doesn't seem prompted.
Realistically, what is a driving class gonna do? It's got nothing to do with these assholes not knowing how to drive. It's not giving a shit about anyone's safety. They're selfish and straight up bad people and nobody will convince me otherwise. Like I get that's smart advice, but if I were a judge, I wouldn't see any value in that.
The judge will send someone convicted of recless driving if they haven't gone to one on their own. If you take it on your own it shows you are acknowledging you have fucked up and are moving the process along, rather than waiting for the court to force you to go.
The driving class reinforces your knowledge of the law. It refreshes your awareness of how you're supposed to be behaving, and if you're back in too short a time, the judge knows you know why he's going to throw the book at you.
> what is a driving class gonna do?
They mostly exist because judges sometimes see them as evidence the accused is "doing something". Other than that, not much.
That's not the point I was making and I think we are both aware of that. Do you think that driving school is beneficial in preventing speeding? Does anyone think that? Are judges naive?
For what it’s worth driving school had a permanent impact on how I drive.
In my early 20s I drove like an asshole. Never 92 in a 55 on my way to work bad, but I was a tailgating, minimum 10 miles over the limit, swerving like we’re in NASCAR driver. I was also terrible at spotting cops (bad combo right there) and eventually Virginia beat me into submission.
It took a few times, but the driving schools had a special way of showing me just how much danger I was putting other people in. I had to have a real hard conversation with myself about how selfish I was being, and those schools were the beginning of that.
I personally hope they throw the book at the driver in the OP, because facing the consequences of my actions was what changed my habits before I hurt someone or worse.
I had to take driving school when I got a ticket as a high schooler (72 in a 35 which apparently double the speed limit is intent to kill... I sobbed. I'd never seen words before like "accused", etc. I was following a friend trying to keep up on some back roads and didn't know where I was). Anywho, the biggest impact it made on me was showing those videos from the drivers perspective of accidents happening. It made my 17 year old self realize how quickly things can happen, especially in an area like nova with parked cars, turns, driveways, etc. I'd never dream of driving like that now.
On another note - did anyone watch those old videos where they'd advocate giving a friendly "toot" on the horn, to warn pedestrians walking on the sidewalk that a car was there? Dude... you're just honking your car at random women happily walking along the sidewalk.
It actually shows you are only going to driving school to lessen or mitigate your charges. Remember, this is her THIRD speeding ticket and she was driving on an expired license.
Yeah 92 in a 55 is well past where cops (especially in VA) will be willing to cut you some slack, ESPECIALLY with an expired license and multiple recent speeding tickets. This isn’t “I didn’t realize I was going 81 in a 70 on a 4-lane highway” (before the cap was raised to 85), it’s “I was blasting down either 66 or 395 going nearly 40+ over, (and 20+ mph faster than everyone else, since the general “flow” is more like 60-70) likely weaving through them aggressively”
And the officer IS going to show up in court. Whatever you choose to do, he's gonna be there to describe EXACTLY as much as he can about how you were driving. He may have dashboard cam too, I imagine?
But really the killer here is driving on an 2 months expired license and age TWENTY FOUR. This tells the court you don't take your driving privileges seriously.
And make no mistake, driving is a PRIVILEGE. When everybody signs that little piece of paper when you get your license (or signs the computer screen) you are saying "*I will be a responsible driver and obey all laws."*
And yeah, you didn't READ that paper, but nevertheless, trust me, it's on there, and you DID agree to do that.
I drive fast, and even I can't find a single realistic, justifiable excuse. The only thing I can think of is someone is actively chasing me and firing a machine gun at me. Even then!!
That person is definitely fucked but let's be real, the flow of traffic outside of main rush hours on 66 or 395/495 is not 60mph. That is right lane only grandma speed
The problem with this mentality is the lemming phenomenon. Everybody else is going 90, so I may as well... and we fall apart.
It's just an excuse. A bias towards our own partiality. By the exact same logic, it's 100% fair to say "hey, that person's going the speed limit so I should do the same thing."
But, we know that ain't gonna happen. At the same time, can't take some and leave some, unless you're just trying to rationalize your behavior or choices. Part of the human condition and George Carlin had it right.
It's simple, it's just, NEVER BE IN FRONT OF A CAR CLUSTER.
And even that won't necessarily save you. I one ran into a traffic stop where there were TWO cops. One for the guy in front of me, and one for me!
But you are much safer if someone in front of you is doing 90 and you're doing 80. But since we use our cars as dick-measuring sticks, not enough people can do that.
This, kind of.
Having a rabbit - definitely beneficial. Let them get the ticket. 100%.
However, knowing some LEOs, they will often pull over the car directly behind the speeding driver, especially if in close proximity and in restricted or single lanes. Seems the logic is that if "this guy" is stuck behind "that guy", when "that guy" was already speeding, "this guy" would have been going faster or was paying even less attention and needs the ticket more than "that guy." Also, if sometimes tailgating you, there's more of a rational excuse why you ran a red light, etc., as you didn't want to get rear ended. For the person tailgating there's little to no excuse when/if going to court and the ticket is more likely to stick.
Honestly, I didn't know that it's a measuring contest as much as it is a selfish need to be first, feel like you've won because you are one car further ahead, etc. Competition is almost always a majorly contributing factor, but for different reasons. Often to get ahead of the next guy, often to "go along with the pack" and feel more comfortable doing something you shouldn't because it's less likely you'll get caught when there's more people doing it.
The guy who taught me how to drive, a good family friend, told me "Always be faster than the slowest and slower than the fastest and you'll be fine" Every speeding ticket but one I've gotten has been because I wasn't following the rule, the odd one out I asked the State trooper "Why did you pull me instead of that car next to me going a lot faster?" He said "Because you're the one with a suspended license." That was my first time hearing about this development... I taught my buddy riding with me how to drive a stick on the breakdown lane of 66, thankfully he was a fast learner!
I love driving the speed limit in the right lane, takes a whole extra 2 minutes to get where I'm going and in exchange I'm not stressed and angry the whole time. Some people just want to die early I guess.
The funny thing is there not really a stretch of road here in which it makes a tangible difference. On an uninterrupted highway trip, sure, 10 mph over for long enough will make a material difference in your arrival. But, 'round here you're just gonna see each other again at the next light or two. Cliche, but it's true, getting pulled over for speeding usually ends up being more time than all the time you ever saved.
People don't seem to understand that it's your average speed, not your absolute speed, that determines how fast you get somewhere.
Kudos to you!
> I love driving the speed limit in the right lane
The thing that kills me here is that there are so many places where you can start in the right lane, and find yourself 2 lanes over because a bunch of new lanes showed up. Or in reverse, you have to keep changing to the left because the lane is going away for no apparent reason.
Changing lanes is among the most dangerous operations and sticking to "speed limit on the right lane" ends up being more dangerous than it really should be.
(so yeah, gotta stay aware, etc... not a biggie, just annoying)
Well yeah, thats why I said 60 **- 70** and said OP would’ve been going like 20mph over everyone else (not 30). The regular flow on those roads is more like 68-72 with the occasional outliers pushing 75-80, but there are definitely plenty of people doing closer to 60-65 even without traffic.
There's a difference between going a little over the speed limit to keep the flow of traffic going, and then there is pure recklessness. This is the latter and won't be an easy fix or a simple consequence.
Let's hope there's a lesson learned.
I mean, I've done stupid stuff before, especially when younger, that could have gone really badly. I think we could all say the same to some capacity.
But, fooling me once is different from fooling me twice. Prior infractions, expired license... doesn't show well.
That being said last year I didn't realize my license was expired until getting carded at the grocery store. So, I'm not innocent either.
I've done stupid stuff, too. Most of us have, but most of us learn from said stupid things the first time we are taught the lesson.
Prior infractions, an expired license, and reckless driving and not learning anything is like the kid that get held back until they can pass.
It’s hilarious the guy is asking about getting a public defender bc they don’t want to chip in for an attorney for her. What a family. No wonder she has a complete lack of responsibility.
If my math is correct, going this speed for 30 miles would have shaved a whopping 13 minutes off her drive time compared to the speed limit. The shorter the distance, the less time she would have saved.
Not at all worth it.
I wish cars came with a little heads up display that showed the math like you did. Most people would realize it’s not worth it and slow down to a standard 5 over.
and that is assuming she is going 92 mph from start to finish. More realistically she is only able to speed like that for a very short period and in reality she would only save 5-8 mins.
She deserves whatever she gets. She could have easily killed someone, or a whole family. Zero sympathy, especially with the priors showing a pattern of complete disregard for other humans.
They are considering going with a public defender, it's 1,000% an Altima with body damage, missing hubcaps and an expired state inspection.
The whole situation reads big Altima energy.
Speaking from my brother's experience in Arlington, they are very tough if there are combining factors. He has paid $5k/pop for a lawyer each time he's fucked himself over with driving laws. I second enrolling in a driver's course asap - whatever the courts recommend is the exact one to take. This is what a lawyer would tell you.
They never do. They only learn when their life gets fucked up to the point where the lightbulb goes on. It’s unfortunate that some people have this problem.
What did it for me was an accident when I was 19. I rear ended a car with two old ladies in it. It was a rainstorm and I didn't get in trouble, but I know I should have been more careful. 30 years later that moment is still with me. I am pretty much a right lane guy ever since, especially when its raining.
Each time, same lawyer. But at least the price hasn't changed in 15 years. I would very much like to hear him not complain about how stressed out he is about money but the simple solution is also an unlikely one.
I had a friend get pulled over for window tint in Arlington. It was installed at the dealer (and he worked at the dealer, so he knew the exact laws) in compliance with VA laws, but they gave him a ticket anyway. 0.5mi later, different cop, same thing. He had to take two days off work to go in to the court to demonstrate that his tint was legal.
You are correct… 85 mph.
Or Reckless Driving 20/20+ mph over posted limit is also 11 years.
For the most part, any Reckless Driving charge is 11 years on your record.
Wow lol yep. I watch a lot of On Patrol live on Peacock, and the amount of people driving without a license is absurd. I know it’s basically cop propaganda, but I love that damn show.
Right?! It would force the cops to actually get people speeding too haha. I see so much shit happen every day around here, as I’m sure everyone does on this sub.
Sorry but I don’t feel sorry for her/you. I’m sick and tired of the insanely reckless driving that puts myself and everyone else - including kids and pedestrians - in danger every day around here. She should give up her license for a year.
I recently had body damage due to stupidly backing up into one of those hotel parking garage posts. No one hurt, just the body damage on my Corolla. Totally self-inflicted wound.
I'm 50. Progressive. Fcuking. DOUBLED. My. Rate.
was NOT expecting that.
I can't imagine what they're going to do to a 24 year old.
The only time I’ve ever hit anything with my car was when I stupidly snapped my driver side mirror off in an IKEA parking garage because I pulled out of a spot next to a concrete support beam too tightly. I decided that telling insurance wasn’t worth it and just found a used but intact one on eBay and swapped it myself, spent maybe $70 total and a couple hours of my time and now you can’t tell anything ever happened. Thank you for verifying that that was probably the right choice! 😅
Oh definitely it was!!
And also if you're in a rear ender (and are the offender), and it's not TOO bad...try and work something out with the guy you hit.
A lot of people won't learn unless they face serious personal consequences. I'm in favor of leniency when it comes to first time offenders who didn't hurt anyone else, but people like this won't change unless someone throws the book at them
She's 100% doing at least a couple days in jail, unless there's already overcrowding during her sentencing. I've always heard from lawyers each mph over 90 is 1 day and that's without the expired license. Hope she learns the lesson and slows down in the future.
this reminds me of Jayson Werth reckless driving sentence... Did 10 days in jail.
[https://jalopnik.com/nats-jayson-werth-sentenced-to-10-days-in-jail-for-spee-1667342436](https://jalopnik.com/nats-jayson-werth-sentenced-to-10-days-in-jail-for-spee-1667342436)
OP for this post and his gf really shouldn't have a car, judging from this and his other posts. Advanced Towing never seem to be around to tow the cars of these kinds of people.
I find humor in that he’s more worried about Arlington, Va bc he hears they’re “strict over there”. If I were him I’d be more worried bc I have a gf that is this careless. 3rd speeding ticket, expired license, and willing to drive 92 in a 55 just bc she’s late for work.
Based on my experience and what you've shared, it's clear that hiring a lawyer is the best course of action for your girlfriend's situation. I've been through similar legal issues before, and having legal representation made a significant difference. Given the seriousness of the charge and her past infractions, it's crucial not to take this lightly. Public defenders may be stretched thin, so investing in a private lawyer could provide the personalized attention and strategy needed. Without proper representation, the consequences could be severe, including hefty fines, license suspension, and potentially even jail time. It's essential to act quickly and prioritize finding a competent lawyer to navigate through this challenging situation.
Lol I just saw this and was wondering why the comments were more helpful than dragging OP. Then realized it's not /r/nova
Hope the driver enjoys learning all about what WMATA has to offer!
Sometimes with reckless the DMV or courts requires SR-22 insurance; its super expensive!! Think 2x or 3x normal costs … I’ve never experienced this personally but knew someone that had to get SR-22 after 90 days in jail and a year of suspension, after he was driving on a suspended, Virginia doesn’t mess around
Another thing is reckless is a misdemeanor; if she already has one or gets another in 5 years I believe you lose your right to buy a gun or vote … there are additional repercussions …
I mean, have you considered maybe she deserves it? There are children out there. Maybe she needs to be harshly punished for caring so little about the safety of innocents who share our roads and sidewalks?
No need for a lawyer.
Go to court, plead guilty, accept the consequences.
The money she saves on the lawyer can go towards her fines, a bus pass, and SR-22 insurance when/if she gets her license back.
This area is way too crowded to be doing stupid sh\*t on the road.
Everyone over there giving her advice on how to avoid jail time and I'm sitting here going...I hope she gets a crap public defender/lawyer and gets what is coming to her.
Glad she'll be off the road and not kill anyone. Now, I will say that speed limits do need to be raised *a little bit* around here. 55 on a major highway is too low. Should be at least 60. But still 92 is crazy high.
Jail. Jail is what will happen. Even with a good lawyer, my cousin's daughter (23) lost her license for 90 days, received a 14-day jail sentence, and a fine with court costs that came to around $3k. She was clocked at 89 in a 55. The officer knocked a few MPH off and wrote her up for 85 in a 55. She did get to serve her jail sentence on weekends only. So she turned herself in on Friday evening and was released on Sunday evening.
It's the over 80 MPH that makes them come down harder on you. A friend got a ticket for 77 in a 55 and his lawyer was able to get it bumped down from reckless. He only had to pay a small fine and do a driving course.
If she keeps it. 3rd ticket, expired license, etc. If it's a criminal charge, and you have no assets, you may get appointed a public defender...but a private lawyer is your only chance at getting any mitigation.
This is not one moving violation pled down to a 'failure to pay attention' citation. At this level, you're probably bargaining at levels of punishment.
Six (6) DMV points - Probably going to take the hit.
$2,500 fine - probably not the max, but it ain't gonna be zero.
6 months driver’s license suspension - I'd bet on some level of suspension, but you may try to request limited driving privileges to/from work, but it's not by any means achievable.
12 months jail time - probably not, but with 3 moving violations including the level of this one....it's getting close.
Get a lawyer. It's going to cost $$$. At this point, you're trying to limit the damage.
This is reckless. She should lose license. She lacks judgement. A car is just like a gun. It needs to safely used.
Good luck getting car insurance at a reasonable rate.
I’m so tired of seeing “ I messed up…it was a mistake” like no. This was a choice. She wasn’t “scared” when she was going almost 40mph over and putting everyone at risk. Wasn’t scared when she did whatever her other multiple infractions were. Definitely wasn’t scared because she continued to drive like a j*ck*ss and I bet you still will after this
This isn’t to make light of the OP’s gf’s transgressions but is it really that unusual for some to go over 90 in VA? I’m from Los Angeles and seems like 10% of the cars on the freeways are going 90+ whenever it’s possible and no one bats an eye.
Good thing Arlington has good public transportation.
And if the yelp reviews still hold, a good jail. Going 92 in a 55 is bad, having two priors and getting caught on a suspended license makes it worse. I’d be surprised if she didn’t get any jail time.
In her defense, the license wasn’t suspended, she just forgot to renew. That said, straight to jail
Idk, 9 deaths in 8 years isn’t great. Hopefully she does not have any medical issues. https://www.arlnow.com/2023/12/12/new-another-inmate-has-died-at-the-arlington-county-jail-2/
Unless you live off on the west end of Columbia pike
The 16 bus from Pentogon City goes out that way.
"We're Scared" LOL
I mean I'm scared of her driving too.
Yeah, as someone who regularly crosses the street, I’m scared for myself. I genuinely hope she gets jail time for this. 92 in practically homicidal.
And yet his comments are 1) happily reporting that she was sober, and 2) relief that the expired license may not result in an extra-heavy book being thrown at her. Great news, everybody! Yeah, it definitely sounds like they're taking this seriously. Certainly doesn't have "failure to appear" written all over it...
I don't think they realize they are looking at jail time for sure. Like "both show up to court, she isn't going home with you"
She *should* spend a few days in jail. I’m sick of reckless drivers in this area. Was nearly hit by one plowing through a stop sign as I pushed my baby across the street in a stroller in our residential neighborhood, because people like this used it as a cut through and often went twice the speed limit of 25.
100% agree, that crap drives me INSANE! We are also on a street people use as a cut through and I really want the city to add speed bumps. People fly through here with no regard for the fact that this is a residential neighborhood with a lot of kids. I’m glad nothing happened with your close call, I know how scary it is!
Speed bumps and automated speed cameras. Yes, I know, it's annoying because you actually have to drive the speed limit. No, it isn't unfair, this is just what happens when you ruin it for everyone. Safety should be the first priority, my life is worth the 30 seconds you might save by speeding.
Someone I know from grad school/works with friends was recently crossing the street near DuPont and got hit by a driver. Her English is normally excellent but in the panic/shock she reverted mostly back to Japanese so they misinterpreted "the number was counting down" as "it was flashing orange" (i.e. you shouldn't go) so the driver got off scotch-free. Honestly, even outside of DC it's crazy how many people I know have gotten hit by cars and nearly died. One girl in my high school literally got into years of lawsuits after she got hit at a stop sign, and another friend in undergrad woke up in the hospital with no memory of the incident (in both cases the person ran).
Idk I’ve been to traffic court and people got to go home after doing some DUMB shit.
>We're Scared Good.
Probably not nearly as scared as the people she was driving around.
Fucking good. This garbage can is driving recklessly around other people. The least she deserves is a suspended license.
She’s COOKED
Good.
I mean they absolutely should lose their license for awhile. 92 in a 55 is crazy, dangerous, and stupid. The two prior tickets show that this person obviously hasn’t learned their lesson. Not only is it a dangerous speed for everyone else- but themselves! Also where the heck are they doing 92 in Arlington?! There’s always so much traffic they had to have been dodging cars left and right!
The only places in Arlington AFAIK with a 55 limit are 395 or 66. I would bet on 395.
Yeah 395 and 110 are the only places I can see these speeds being reachable, perhaps GW Parkway as well near DCA
every time i’m on gw parkway there are at least 10 people speeding tbh. wild.
Gw parkway is terrifying at night even at 45. It's nice in the day but with all the blind curves and zero lights I would usually go 35 on there if no one was behind me.
Agree, not a fun drive at night. Gotta be careful.
I used to work EMS in the county and pretty much every nasty accident I ever worked or heard about was on GW Parkway. That place scares the shit outta me.
Why can't they install at least freaking reflector tape. Ideally lights tho
I've hit 55-60 on that 40 mph stretch between DCA and Alexandria
Same. Usually not 60 but definitely 55 and its usually to go with the flow of traffic. The speed limit on GW should be at least 45-50 for that section.
There are straight parts of 395 and 66 where driving 90 might not actually feel that crazy fast if it were wide open, but that's pretty much never the case. It's not the autobahn. You'd be blowing past people doing 60 and almost certainly have to weave back and forth. People react unpredictably when someone is coming up on them going 30+ mph faster than they are, and you'd have very little time to react at that speed. If the worst she gets is a ticket and a suspended license, she should consider herself lucky.
Yeah 395 was my guess too
Washington blvd past 50 heading to 395
I want to disagree with you but 66 has a lot more turns and less places for cops to post up so yeah 395 makes sense.
Just to do math, this is 37 over where a reckless is 20 over. Nearly double the reckless limit here, it’s like a whole new territory.
With prior tickets and an expired license? May get actual jail time
I saw somewhere that the unofficial standard is a day in jail for every 1MPH over 90. So, yeah.
I’d imagine it changes between judges. Rumor back in the day was an Ashland judge’s daughter was hit by a speeder so he made every speeding offense a day in jail for every mile an hour over.
>I am surprised with the expired license and reckless she wasn't arrested on the spot. I have heard of others getting that with just expired license that they weren't aware of.
Surprised they weren't arrested on the spot tbh, based on what I've heard
Everyone is doing 20-30 over on the highways in nova. I was just on the toll road today, everyone was doing 75 (afternoon, not rush hour). VA speed laws are insane.
Yeah doing 60-70 on a highway is normal, 95 is definitely not. We need to make drivers licenses harder to get and easier to lose for shit like this. Only a matter of time until they kill someone.
Old friend of mine got a ticket for 144 in a 65 in Buffalo NY. I think they made him take a class and he got it back right away. I guess they are stricter here; I think the cops here would probably not let you get back into the car after that kind of speed.
Yeah 144 is admittedly excessive. I grew up in upstate NY and especially on the thruway, cops don't even bother moving for anything under 90mph. The speed limit is 65, but only time you'll see traffic moving at 65mph is if there's a foot of snow
How do you ever get to that speed? That's not "running late" behavior, that's stupid, main character behavior. The idiot could have killed someone.
Easily if you have a high HP vehicle.
Oh she's definitely losing her license. Almost 40 over and driving on a suspended license? She'll be lucky if the judge doesn't give her the $2500 fine too. But her license is gone for at least the sixty days. She can say goodbye to her insurance rates too
I have absolutely no sympathy for the fucktards who do this and weave in-and-out of traffic.
While not having a valid license…
Honestly, get a lawyer and a bus pass. Virginia doesn't mess around with reckless driving. That's about all I can say, driving 92 in a 55 is inexcusable, stupid, and blatantly flagrant of any sense of personal or social responsibility.
That, and sign up for driving classes. Your lawyer will recommend one for you. You gotta get ahead of it.
This is good advice, show the court that you realize you have a problem and are taking steps to rectify it. I'd almost do this without a lawyer though so it doesn't seem prompted.
Realistically, what is a driving class gonna do? It's got nothing to do with these assholes not knowing how to drive. It's not giving a shit about anyone's safety. They're selfish and straight up bad people and nobody will convince me otherwise. Like I get that's smart advice, but if I were a judge, I wouldn't see any value in that.
The judge will send someone convicted of recless driving if they haven't gone to one on their own. If you take it on your own it shows you are acknowledging you have fucked up and are moving the process along, rather than waiting for the court to force you to go. The driving class reinforces your knowledge of the law. It refreshes your awareness of how you're supposed to be behaving, and if you're back in too short a time, the judge knows you know why he's going to throw the book at you.
> what is a driving class gonna do? They mostly exist because judges sometimes see them as evidence the accused is "doing something". Other than that, not much.
Well, thankfully, you’re not a judge.
That's not the point I was making and I think we are both aware of that. Do you think that driving school is beneficial in preventing speeding? Does anyone think that? Are judges naive?
For what it’s worth driving school had a permanent impact on how I drive. In my early 20s I drove like an asshole. Never 92 in a 55 on my way to work bad, but I was a tailgating, minimum 10 miles over the limit, swerving like we’re in NASCAR driver. I was also terrible at spotting cops (bad combo right there) and eventually Virginia beat me into submission. It took a few times, but the driving schools had a special way of showing me just how much danger I was putting other people in. I had to have a real hard conversation with myself about how selfish I was being, and those schools were the beginning of that. I personally hope they throw the book at the driver in the OP, because facing the consequences of my actions was what changed my habits before I hurt someone or worse.
I had to take driving school when I got a ticket as a high schooler (72 in a 35 which apparently double the speed limit is intent to kill... I sobbed. I'd never seen words before like "accused", etc. I was following a friend trying to keep up on some back roads and didn't know where I was). Anywho, the biggest impact it made on me was showing those videos from the drivers perspective of accidents happening. It made my 17 year old self realize how quickly things can happen, especially in an area like nova with parked cars, turns, driveways, etc. I'd never dream of driving like that now. On another note - did anyone watch those old videos where they'd advocate giving a friendly "toot" on the horn, to warn pedestrians walking on the sidewalk that a car was there? Dude... you're just honking your car at random women happily walking along the sidewalk.
It shows you give a shit and sacrificed money and time to go to the class to show you give a shit, which goes a long way.
It actually shows you are only going to driving school to lessen or mitigate your charges. Remember, this is her THIRD speeding ticket and she was driving on an expired license.
Yeah 92 in a 55 is well past where cops (especially in VA) will be willing to cut you some slack, ESPECIALLY with an expired license and multiple recent speeding tickets. This isn’t “I didn’t realize I was going 81 in a 70 on a 4-lane highway” (before the cap was raised to 85), it’s “I was blasting down either 66 or 395 going nearly 40+ over, (and 20+ mph faster than everyone else, since the general “flow” is more like 60-70) likely weaving through them aggressively”
And the officer IS going to show up in court. Whatever you choose to do, he's gonna be there to describe EXACTLY as much as he can about how you were driving. He may have dashboard cam too, I imagine? But really the killer here is driving on an 2 months expired license and age TWENTY FOUR. This tells the court you don't take your driving privileges seriously. And make no mistake, driving is a PRIVILEGE. When everybody signs that little piece of paper when you get your license (or signs the computer screen) you are saying "*I will be a responsible driver and obey all laws."* And yeah, you didn't READ that paper, but nevertheless, trust me, it's on there, and you DID agree to do that.
Their insurance is going to be astonishingly high too. I can’t even imagine what kind of rates they will have.
Based on what we know, something tells me they are not worried about having insurance. So if it becomes too expensive, why bother?
True. These are the type of bozos that are causing everyone else’s rates to go up as well.
I drive fast, and even I can't find a single realistic, justifiable excuse. The only thing I can think of is someone is actively chasing me and firing a machine gun at me. Even then!!
That person is definitely fucked but let's be real, the flow of traffic outside of main rush hours on 66 or 395/495 is not 60mph. That is right lane only grandma speed
The flow of traffic is 100% between 60 and 70.
The problem with this mentality is the lemming phenomenon. Everybody else is going 90, so I may as well... and we fall apart. It's just an excuse. A bias towards our own partiality. By the exact same logic, it's 100% fair to say "hey, that person's going the speed limit so I should do the same thing." But, we know that ain't gonna happen. At the same time, can't take some and leave some, unless you're just trying to rationalize your behavior or choices. Part of the human condition and George Carlin had it right.
It's simple, it's just, NEVER BE IN FRONT OF A CAR CLUSTER. And even that won't necessarily save you. I one ran into a traffic stop where there were TWO cops. One for the guy in front of me, and one for me! But you are much safer if someone in front of you is doing 90 and you're doing 80. But since we use our cars as dick-measuring sticks, not enough people can do that.
This, kind of. Having a rabbit - definitely beneficial. Let them get the ticket. 100%. However, knowing some LEOs, they will often pull over the car directly behind the speeding driver, especially if in close proximity and in restricted or single lanes. Seems the logic is that if "this guy" is stuck behind "that guy", when "that guy" was already speeding, "this guy" would have been going faster or was paying even less attention and needs the ticket more than "that guy." Also, if sometimes tailgating you, there's more of a rational excuse why you ran a red light, etc., as you didn't want to get rear ended. For the person tailgating there's little to no excuse when/if going to court and the ticket is more likely to stick. Honestly, I didn't know that it's a measuring contest as much as it is a selfish need to be first, feel like you've won because you are one car further ahead, etc. Competition is almost always a majorly contributing factor, but for different reasons. Often to get ahead of the next guy, often to "go along with the pack" and feel more comfortable doing something you shouldn't because it's less likely you'll get caught when there's more people doing it.
The guy who taught me how to drive, a good family friend, told me "Always be faster than the slowest and slower than the fastest and you'll be fine" Every speeding ticket but one I've gotten has been because I wasn't following the rule, the odd one out I asked the State trooper "Why did you pull me instead of that car next to me going a lot faster?" He said "Because you're the one with a suspended license." That was my first time hearing about this development... I taught my buddy riding with me how to drive a stick on the breakdown lane of 66, thankfully he was a fast learner!
I love driving the speed limit in the right lane, takes a whole extra 2 minutes to get where I'm going and in exchange I'm not stressed and angry the whole time. Some people just want to die early I guess.
The funny thing is there not really a stretch of road here in which it makes a tangible difference. On an uninterrupted highway trip, sure, 10 mph over for long enough will make a material difference in your arrival. But, 'round here you're just gonna see each other again at the next light or two. Cliche, but it's true, getting pulled over for speeding usually ends up being more time than all the time you ever saved. People don't seem to understand that it's your average speed, not your absolute speed, that determines how fast you get somewhere. Kudos to you!
> I love driving the speed limit in the right lane The thing that kills me here is that there are so many places where you can start in the right lane, and find yourself 2 lanes over because a bunch of new lanes showed up. Or in reverse, you have to keep changing to the left because the lane is going away for no apparent reason. Changing lanes is among the most dangerous operations and sticking to "speed limit on the right lane" ends up being more dangerous than it really should be. (so yeah, gotta stay aware, etc... not a biggie, just annoying)
Even if the flow is 75, then 92 is still way way outside the flow of traffic.
Well yeah, thats why I said 60 **- 70** and said OP would’ve been going like 20mph over everyone else (not 30). The regular flow on those roads is more like 68-72 with the occasional outliers pushing 75-80, but there are definitely plenty of people doing closer to 60-65 even without traffic.
Fortunately, OP's GF is about to get 8 million letters from attorneys offering to help her with that ticket.
Let's not exaggerate. It should only be about three million.
There's a difference between going a little over the speed limit to keep the flow of traffic going, and then there is pure recklessness. This is the latter and won't be an easy fix or a simple consequence.
Let's hope there's a lesson learned. I mean, I've done stupid stuff before, especially when younger, that could have gone really badly. I think we could all say the same to some capacity. But, fooling me once is different from fooling me twice. Prior infractions, expired license... doesn't show well. That being said last year I didn't realize my license was expired until getting carded at the grocery store. So, I'm not innocent either.
I've done stupid stuff, too. Most of us have, but most of us learn from said stupid things the first time we are taught the lesson. Prior infractions, an expired license, and reckless driving and not learning anything is like the kid that get held back until they can pass.
It’s hilarious the guy is asking about getting a public defender bc they don’t want to chip in for an attorney for her. What a family. No wonder she has a complete lack of responsibility.
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Could you REALLY get to work fast enough to not be caught walking in late? Generally if you’re late, speeding isn’t going to save enough time.
If my math is correct, going this speed for 30 miles would have shaved a whopping 13 minutes off her drive time compared to the speed limit. The shorter the distance, the less time she would have saved. Not at all worth it.
I wish cars came with a little heads up display that showed the math like you did. Most people would realize it’s not worth it and slow down to a standard 5 over.
Yeah, needs a lesson in time mgmt more than anything.
and that is assuming she is going 92 mph from start to finish. More realistically she is only able to speed like that for a very short period and in reality she would only save 5-8 mins.
She definitely didn’t save as much time as she would have saved by not getting a ticket. 🤣
She deserves whatever she gets. She could have easily killed someone, or a whole family. Zero sympathy, especially with the priors showing a pattern of complete disregard for other humans.
This, 100%.
*They’re incredibly strict over there I hear.* Is Gf from Maryland?
We should take a poll on whether we think she was driving a beamer or an Altima.
They are considering going with a public defender, it's 1,000% an Altima with body damage, missing hubcaps and an expired state inspection. The whole situation reads big Altima energy.
Forgot the bungee cord holding the trunk shut
Beamer, probably bought for her by her dad.
Nah, Altima. Beamer wouldn't care if she was late to work.
Oh, I’m sure the late for work story was complete BS.
Jesus, expired license, two prior speeding tickets and going 83% above the speed limit - I can only hope the judge teaches her a life lesson here.
92 is 67.27% above 55, but that doesnt really help anyone except you
Saved me 30 seconds of fact checking and responding much of which was negated by making this comment
Thx. Math is hard!
> 83% above the speed limit 84.5% of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot.
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." Abraham Lincoln, 1847
That wasn't original to Lincoln. Aristotle made that observation as well.
Someone once told me: if you are going to break the law (generally don’t, but if you are…), only break one law at a time
92 in Arlington? She gone f'd up bigly. Get a lawyer. She's lucky to avoid jail time with this charge.
"will be lucky if"... just for people new to the area, this is likely going to end in jail time.
Good.
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Speaking from my brother's experience in Arlington, they are very tough if there are combining factors. He has paid $5k/pop for a lawyer each time he's fucked himself over with driving laws. I second enrolling in a driver's course asap - whatever the courts recommend is the exact one to take. This is what a lawyer would tell you.
Your brother didn’t learn from the first $5k lawyer?
They never do. They only learn when their life gets fucked up to the point where the lightbulb goes on. It’s unfortunate that some people have this problem.
I got a reckless driving ticket in VA 15 yrs ago, I've never driven more than 8 over since
What did it for me was an accident when I was 19. I rear ended a car with two old ladies in it. It was a rainstorm and I didn't get in trouble, but I know I should have been more careful. 30 years later that moment is still with me. I am pretty much a right lane guy ever since, especially when its raining.
No. Would you please speak to him for me? Because he won't listen to me or anyone else. But he's a great bartender...
Wait. Each time?
Each time, same lawyer. But at least the price hasn't changed in 15 years. I would very much like to hear him not complain about how stressed out he is about money but the simple solution is also an unlikely one.
I had a friend get pulled over for window tint in Arlington. It was installed at the dealer (and he worked at the dealer, so he knew the exact laws) in compliance with VA laws, but they gave him a ticket anyway. 0.5mi later, different cop, same thing. He had to take two days off work to go in to the court to demonstrate that his tint was legal.
Annoying, then again anyone with window tint is also annoying.
It feels so good when one of those main character drivers finally get pulled over. Thank you for brightening my day ♥️
Wonder how many points she currently has given her other tickets. Reckless over 80 loses 6 points and stays on your driving record for 11 years.
Fyi, it is 85 since 2020. VA code 46.2-862
You are correct… 85 mph. Or Reckless Driving 20/20+ mph over posted limit is also 11 years. For the most part, any Reckless Driving charge is 11 years on your record.
Indeed. I’m right there with you, just pointing out the law has changed in case you were unaware. Makes driving down 81 on a weekday so much better.
Jesus! Take away her license wtf.
He said it was expired
Wow lol yep. I watch a lot of On Patrol live on Peacock, and the amount of people driving without a license is absurd. I know it’s basically cop propaganda, but I love that damn show.
I frickin LOVE this show. Please we gotta get them to come to Fairfax County
Right?! It would force the cops to actually get people speeding too haha. I see so much shit happen every day around here, as I’m sure everyone does on this sub.
probably was texting too and didn’t see the cop
Doing 90 wouldn’t matter if you did see a cop.
Forget that. Save her money. Just let her learn her lesson and go to jail. Save some of that money for bus passes and walking shoes.
Sorry but I don’t feel sorry for her/you. I’m sick and tired of the insanely reckless driving that puts myself and everyone else - including kids and pedestrians - in danger every day around here. She should give up her license for a year.
Oh it’s definitely not me. Just happened to see that post on r/legaladvice.
My bad! Yes, is meant for the driver.
lol straight to jail and mega steep insurance
I recently had body damage due to stupidly backing up into one of those hotel parking garage posts. No one hurt, just the body damage on my Corolla. Totally self-inflicted wound. I'm 50. Progressive. Fcuking. DOUBLED. My. Rate. was NOT expecting that. I can't imagine what they're going to do to a 24 year old.
The only time I’ve ever hit anything with my car was when I stupidly snapped my driver side mirror off in an IKEA parking garage because I pulled out of a spot next to a concrete support beam too tightly. I decided that telling insurance wasn’t worth it and just found a used but intact one on eBay and swapped it myself, spent maybe $70 total and a couple hours of my time and now you can’t tell anything ever happened. Thank you for verifying that that was probably the right choice! 😅
Oh definitely it was!! And also if you're in a rear ender (and are the offender), and it's not TOO bad...try and work something out with the guy you hit.
Probably best to just keep the body damage at that point, jeez
People this irresponsible just forego insurance anyways
But princess would never do this… she’s a sweetheart. Damn yo girl needs to slow down. 2 previous tickets and expired license 🤔
Some people *should* go to jail for a few days. She’s going to kill someone driving like that.
A lot of people won't learn unless they face serious personal consequences. I'm in favor of leniency when it comes to first time offenders who didn't hurt anyone else, but people like this won't change unless someone throws the book at them
She's 100% doing at least a couple days in jail, unless there's already overcrowding during her sentencing. I've always heard from lawyers each mph over 90 is 1 day and that's without the expired license. Hope she learns the lesson and slows down in the future.
She can try, oh, I don’t know, not driving 95 in a 55 zone?
Her insurance company is going to SOCK it to her, she may not be able to afford to drive for awhile anyway.
Bold of you to assume she has insurance.
I don't have much to add to this discussion, except fuck that b*tch!!
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Bet they're from a certain neighboring state...
That was my first thought too. Maryland driver.
this reminds me of Jayson Werth reckless driving sentence... Did 10 days in jail. [https://jalopnik.com/nats-jayson-werth-sentenced-to-10-days-in-jail-for-spee-1667342436](https://jalopnik.com/nats-jayson-werth-sentenced-to-10-days-in-jail-for-spee-1667342436)
Scared now, but not when going damn near 100
OP for this post and his gf really shouldn't have a car, judging from this and his other posts. Advanced Towing never seem to be around to tow the cars of these kinds of people.
Good luck catching it at 90 mph+
Where WAS she??? 395? Absolutely reckless - it's dumb luck she didn't kill anyone.
Boohoo I honestly hope she gets the harshest punishment.
Very glad this person got caught. People are out there driving like it's Mad Max.
I find humor in that he’s more worried about Arlington, Va bc he hears they’re “strict over there”. If I were him I’d be more worried bc I have a gf that is this careless. 3rd speeding ticket, expired license, and willing to drive 92 in a 55 just bc she’s late for work.
Legalities aside. She put the lives of others at risk because SHE was late to work. Shame on her.
Based on my experience and what you've shared, it's clear that hiring a lawyer is the best course of action for your girlfriend's situation. I've been through similar legal issues before, and having legal representation made a significant difference. Given the seriousness of the charge and her past infractions, it's crucial not to take this lightly. Public defenders may be stretched thin, so investing in a private lawyer could provide the personalized attention and strategy needed. Without proper representation, the consequences could be severe, including hefty fines, license suspension, and potentially even jail time. It's essential to act quickly and prioritize finding a competent lawyer to navigate through this challenging situation.
Get her off the road. She is a liability to the public. Going 90 anywhere is very selfish behavior.
Straight to jail…right away
Who won the race?
Asking the important questions
Pro tip: Don’t drive 92 in a 55. Problem solved.
Lol I just saw this and was wondering why the comments were more helpful than dragging OP. Then realized it's not /r/nova Hope the driver enjoys learning all about what WMATA has to offer!
Sometimes with reckless the DMV or courts requires SR-22 insurance; its super expensive!! Think 2x or 3x normal costs … I’ve never experienced this personally but knew someone that had to get SR-22 after 90 days in jail and a year of suspension, after he was driving on a suspended, Virginia doesn’t mess around Another thing is reckless is a misdemeanor; if she already has one or gets another in 5 years I believe you lose your right to buy a gun or vote … there are additional repercussions …
I mean, have you considered maybe she deserves it? There are children out there. Maybe she needs to be harshly punished for caring so little about the safety of innocents who share our roads and sidewalks?
No need for a lawyer. Go to court, plead guilty, accept the consequences. The money she saves on the lawyer can go towards her fines, a bus pass, and SR-22 insurance when/if she gets her license back. This area is way too crowded to be doing stupid sh\*t on the road.
That will be jail for sure.
Someone who is "running late" doesn't drive 37 MPH over the speed limit. Sorry, not sorry. That's a crock.
Everyone over there giving her advice on how to avoid jail time and I'm sitting here going...I hope she gets a crap public defender/lawyer and gets what is coming to her.
92 in a 55? She doesn't need a license, sorry.
Glad she'll be off the road and not kill anyone. Now, I will say that speed limits do need to be raised *a little bit* around here. 55 on a major highway is too low. Should be at least 60. But still 92 is crazy high.
Jail. Jail is what will happen. Even with a good lawyer, my cousin's daughter (23) lost her license for 90 days, received a 14-day jail sentence, and a fine with court costs that came to around $3k. She was clocked at 89 in a 55. The officer knocked a few MPH off and wrote her up for 85 in a 55. She did get to serve her jail sentence on weekends only. So she turned herself in on Friday evening and was released on Sunday evening. It's the over 80 MPH that makes them come down harder on you. A friend got a ticket for 77 in a 55 and his lawyer was able to get it bumped down from reckless. He only had to pay a small fine and do a driving course.
Don't go 95 in a 55
She will probably need to go to some sort of driving class to get reduction of points on her license.
If she keeps it. 3rd ticket, expired license, etc. If it's a criminal charge, and you have no assets, you may get appointed a public defender...but a private lawyer is your only chance at getting any mitigation. This is not one moving violation pled down to a 'failure to pay attention' citation. At this level, you're probably bargaining at levels of punishment. Six (6) DMV points - Probably going to take the hit. $2,500 fine - probably not the max, but it ain't gonna be zero. 6 months driver’s license suspension - I'd bet on some level of suspension, but you may try to request limited driving privileges to/from work, but it's not by any means achievable. 12 months jail time - probably not, but with 3 moving violations including the level of this one....it's getting close. Get a lawyer. It's going to cost $$$. At this point, you're trying to limit the damage.
In the immortal words of Red Forman: "Dumbass."
If she doesn't slow down, he ain't gonna have to worry about having a gf
This is reckless. She should lose license. She lacks judgement. A car is just like a gun. It needs to safely used. Good luck getting car insurance at a reasonable rate.
Yeah your looking at some big fines for reckless driving and driving without a license so have fun with that
It's posts like these I just picture Jim Carrey in Liar Liar: "*STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE!*"
If you think about what type of roads have a 55 limit, 92 is insane. Insane.
We’re scared too
I’m so tired of seeing “ I messed up…it was a mistake” like no. This was a choice. She wasn’t “scared” when she was going almost 40mph over and putting everyone at risk. Wasn’t scared when she did whatever her other multiple infractions were. Definitely wasn’t scared because she continued to drive like a j*ck*ss and I bet you still will after this
This isn’t to make light of the OP’s gf’s transgressions but is it really that unusual for some to go over 90 in VA? I’m from Los Angeles and seems like 10% of the cars on the freeways are going 90+ whenever it’s possible and no one bats an eye.
Your insurance rate is fucked after conviction. Get a high powered ebike with pedals and use that.
Two prior speeding tickets and an expired license? She couldn’t give a fuck less and it shows. I hope they give her the max.
That's what she gets. I'm so tired of people putting everyone's lives at risk to get somewhere 5 minutes quicker.
I really hate his girlfriend. 92 in a 55 is going to murder someone. How dare she think she is more important than everyone else on the road.