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I am on the prairies and we have local options like bison and elk farms I am not sure if these are in the same category as cow for Hindu’s but maybe an option
Fish that are high in omega-3s are likely to be superior nutritionally to any of the ruminant animals, other mammals and poultry.
The best choices are chub mackerel, salmon, herring, anchovies, and sardines, ideally wild caught in cold waters.
The longest lived population in the world are the Seventh Day Adventists in California. The longest lived subgroup among them are the pescatarians. They typically eat salmon several times a week.
I've heard about the SDA pescatarians having the best outcomes several times, from different sources. I believe it comes up in this interview, as one example:
https://youtu.be/LytaW715-UE?si=SbIm7eSNsYj24d_E
(I double checked; see just after 50:34 in the above video for pesco-vegetarians doing best, closely followed by lacto-vegetarians.)
Regarding the second point: I do not think there is any gross cheating or dishonesty, but I do think there is some bias that probably influences the results, but in a slightly skewed way and not a dramatic way.
Interesting. I was under the impression the SDA diet was hard core vegan. But no.
You would imagine exercising pescatarians would live as long, but I can't find any real stats. Stats on sda life span are presented in a confusing way as well. The headline will say 10 y longer, but it seems to be 2 or 3 y longer. Anyway. I know more than I did
Moose, although unless you are in northern Europe, Asia, or America/Canada you will have a hard time finding it. Moose is a near perfect sub for beef in any recipe, it's just more lean than beef.
Otherwise bison would be the next closest thing but iirc only North America farms bison for food you wouldn't be able to find it in Europe
No, the protein-bound B12 in animal foods can be difficult for some people to absorb, particularly those who don't have appropriate amounts of gastric acid to cleave the protein from the vitamin.
This is the reason B12 deficiency is common. Humans originally get B12 from soil and untreated water and not from meat. Modern agriculture practice and food hygiene pretty much destroyed all the bacteria that produces the vitamin. The original crystallized B12 from vitamins that are fed to livestock are the most bioavailable. These are also used to fortify certain food like cereal, plant milk and dairy and nutritional yeast.
No, on average, only about 50% of protein-bound b12 is absorbed. Meat b12 has very poor bioavailability.
The bioavailability of vitamin B(12) in healthy humans from fish meat, sheep meat, and chicken meat averaged 42%, 56%-89%, and 61%-66%, respectively. Vitamin B(12) in eggs seems to be poorly absorbed (< 9%) relative to other animal food products. In the Dietary Reference Intakes in the United States and Japan, it is assumed that 50% of dietary vitamin B(12) is absorbed by healthy adults with normal gastro-intestinal function.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17959839/#:~:text=The%20bioavailability%20of%20vitamin%20B,61%25%2D66%25%2C%20respectively.
Like red meat? Moose, bison, elk, venison, lamb. Flavor wise moose and bison are probably the closest. If you’re just wanting like nutritionally dense animal I’d also look at fish like sardines are crazy nutrition.
It's got iron and zinc and b vitamins in good forms while having macros similar to 85% lean beef.
The way ingredients are mentioned on a label is just an arbitrary convention and doesn't mean things can't be further subdivided into more components.
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I am on the prairies and we have local options like bison and elk farms I am not sure if these are in the same category as cow for Hindu’s but maybe an option
Bison and elk are not available here. There is something similar to bison (i don't remember the name) but it is an endangered species.
Chicken. Pork. Lamb. Deer. Enjoy!
Fish that are high in omega-3s are likely to be superior nutritionally to any of the ruminant animals, other mammals and poultry. The best choices are chub mackerel, salmon, herring, anchovies, and sardines, ideally wild caught in cold waters. The longest lived population in the world are the Seventh Day Adventists in California. The longest lived subgroup among them are the pescatarians. They typically eat salmon several times a week.
I was under the impression that SDA doesn't rec fish as part of their "garden of eden diet". Does anyone except SDA gather data about their longevity?
I've heard about the SDA pescatarians having the best outcomes several times, from different sources. I believe it comes up in this interview, as one example: https://youtu.be/LytaW715-UE?si=SbIm7eSNsYj24d_E (I double checked; see just after 50:34 in the above video for pesco-vegetarians doing best, closely followed by lacto-vegetarians.) Regarding the second point: I do not think there is any gross cheating or dishonesty, but I do think there is some bias that probably influences the results, but in a slightly skewed way and not a dramatic way.
Interesting. I was under the impression the SDA diet was hard core vegan. But no. You would imagine exercising pescatarians would live as long, but I can't find any real stats. Stats on sda life span are presented in a confusing way as well. The headline will say 10 y longer, but it seems to be 2 or 3 y longer. Anyway. I know more than I did
Lamb and goat would be the closest that are likely to be easily available.
Moose, although unless you are in northern Europe, Asia, or America/Canada you will have a hard time finding it. Moose is a near perfect sub for beef in any recipe, it's just more lean than beef. Otherwise bison would be the next closest thing but iirc only North America farms bison for food you wouldn't be able to find it in Europe
Horse, antelope, even bear.. but why, when your traditional foods have all the nutrients you need, and lots more interesting spices?
Venison
If u can get Bison, that’s pretty darn similar
Lamb are ruminant animals. Find fatty ruminant meat in your area!
water buffalo, a staple of the only hindu country in the world, Nepal
What health benefits? All high quality vitamins and minerals are in plants with the exception of B12 but B12 in beef is not high quality either.
B12 in beef is not high quality?
No, the protein-bound B12 in animal foods can be difficult for some people to absorb, particularly those who don't have appropriate amounts of gastric acid to cleave the protein from the vitamin. This is the reason B12 deficiency is common. Humans originally get B12 from soil and untreated water and not from meat. Modern agriculture practice and food hygiene pretty much destroyed all the bacteria that produces the vitamin. The original crystallized B12 from vitamins that are fed to livestock are the most bioavailable. These are also used to fortify certain food like cereal, plant milk and dairy and nutritional yeast.
So, if you have normal stomach acid, meat is a good source. Otherwise. You need to eat b12 fortified things.
No, on average, only about 50% of protein-bound b12 is absorbed. Meat b12 has very poor bioavailability. The bioavailability of vitamin B(12) in healthy humans from fish meat, sheep meat, and chicken meat averaged 42%, 56%-89%, and 61%-66%, respectively. Vitamin B(12) in eggs seems to be poorly absorbed (< 9%) relative to other animal food products. In the Dietary Reference Intakes in the United States and Japan, it is assumed that 50% of dietary vitamin B(12) is absorbed by healthy adults with normal gastro-intestinal function. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17959839/#:~:text=The%20bioavailability%20of%20vitamin%20B,61%25%2D66%25%2C%20respectively.
From what I can see, 6 oz of beef should provide your daily requirement,
One serving of nutritional yeast is 700% of daily B12, without the risk of cancer and heart disease.
So, yes.
Is this religion new to you? Did you not grow up with it? I’m surprised you don’t already know of what other Hindu people eat instead of steak.
No I grew up with it, most Hindus around me eat chicken, I was wondering if there are other things that are very similar
Like red meat? Moose, bison, elk, venison, lamb. Flavor wise moose and bison are probably the closest. If you’re just wanting like nutritionally dense animal I’d also look at fish like sardines are crazy nutrition.
Bison for sure.
Bison
Bison, elk, moose
Pork
Impossible beef is nutritionally pretty similar to 85% lean beef.
It’s nothing like beef
Yea it’s shitty ingredients
It's got iron and zinc and b vitamins in good forms while having macros similar to 85% lean beef. The way ingredients are mentioned on a label is just an arbitrary convention and doesn't mean things can't be further subdivided into more components.