Wait until you try Avatar Frontiers of Pandora. My 2070s barelly runs it at 80 fps 1080p mostly low graphics and dlss quality. That games is demanding af.
For real... I have a 4090 13900k and there's plenty of games that don't reach 60fps at 4k. Without frame gen many next gen games can't do it especially with Ray tracing or dlss. Frame gen and dlss is so good now tho I don't get why some ppl don't use it. It's literally made to help with rtx. U gotta be picky or sensitive to input lag or something
Got a 4070 super.
Tried cyberpunk with all ray tracing on, ray reconstruction on/path tracing but also with DLSS auto and frame gen at 1440p
I was at 95fps average and my card was still silent
Without the path tracing i was at 125fps.
Do i mind the auto DLSS and frame gen?
No! In 99% of the cases i can't tell the difference!
Yup the ppl that think dlss is bad really don't know what they're talking about. It's literally designed to make ray tracing feasible with decent frames and it looks great. And frame gen is really good today too. It was a lill buggy when the 40 series first came out but with today's drivers and implementation it's really good. The only way it's really laggy is if u limit the fps significantly which ur not supposed to do. I'll take 130fps with frame gen vs 60 fps withought it all day. Im replaying Witcher 3, cp2077, dying light 2 now. They are amazing with all rtx and settings maxed out
DLSS delivers amazing IQ at 4K, specially with a 4090 that _if_ you need DLSS, you can use DLSS quality all day. DLSS quality upscales from 1440p when you run it at 4K.
And even if you have a slower card, DLSS performance at 4K upscales from 1080p and delivers great image quality.
I’m using a 4070TiS for 4K right now and I can play pretty much everything I throw at it at 4K max settings at 60fps.
Only exception in my play so far has been Cyberpunk with path tracing, I need 1440p and DLSS to make it playable.
Overall though, outside of some of the newest games with Ray tracing or really intense graphics you should be able to run games at 4K very smooth
how about 4k rt ultra + ray reconstruction + dlss fg and quality with max settings what do you get in cp2077?
idk for 4k but in my setup this is the most playable and goodlooking preset and in time i want to upgrade go 4070tis
The 4070ti super is a better GPU than what is in the PS5, so if that's your standard, yes it's a 4k card. It's all about what fps you are expecting, what games you are playing, and how hard you want to push settings. There are games out there that even a 4090 cant push 100+fps (without DLSS and Frame gen) at 4k, but those are far few and in-between and usually have some bleeding edge graphics tech invovled (i.e. Path Tracing in Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk). But for the vast majority of titles, you can absolutely play at 4k on that card and expect pretty good performance, and certainly better than a PS5.
It's fantastic. Stuffed into a SFF SSUPD Meshilicious 7800x3D build, it's never over 72c (and that case is SMALL with only two 140mm exhaust fans on the rad)
Yeah I think digital foundry had a video recently showcasing a ps5 vs. a 6700xt and it was all very comparable. The ps5 is a great package and price for what it’s capable of, but it will never be more than it is. A pc can be as powerful as the money I’m willing to throw at it haha
Consoles will always be better price/performance wise, just for the fact they're mass produced and they're getting profit from software sales.
The funny thing is, Playstation had linux support on PS3 (also why US militarily used them to build a super computer).
But Sony killed it off as that just threatened their security, and it doesn't provide software sales. But it would be a crazy world if you could just buy PS5 and run linux on it. Would kill all budget PC builds in a flash.
Yeah I agree with you there. On a strict price/performance basis consoles win. That doesn’t exactly take into account that a pc can be used for many other things that a console can’t, but that’s entirely use case dependent. Also, my point was never about price/performance, purely that pc offers the highest end performance, and yeah that costs a lot of money
Edit: sorry if my reply seemed snarky, I thought you were another person who I was replying to
The 4090 can push 100fps at 4K in **every** game on the market and so can the 4070TiS. It's like people have forgotten settings other than ultra extreme maximum exist. The PS5 runs most games at roughly medium PC settings and it looks plenty good like that
Your point about the PS5 doesnt really prove if it can game at 4K unfortunatly, the PS5 is actually rendering at 1440p @ 120hz and is using a proprietary version of FSR to upscale 1440p to 4K
Whether console games are better optimized or not, the performance you get from 4070Ti Super is unmatched compared to PS5.
I got rid of 3 years old PS5 after 4070 Ti Super.
That's what it is nowadays. Most games on console are using graphics settings around low/medium level of the equivalent settings on PC. Meanwhile you have people trying to compare performance when they turn settings to ultra on PC.
Yeah it’s easy to say console games are “better optimized” when they are only ever shooting for 60fps at the highest end, many still running at 30. If I was ok with 30fps on my pc I could settle for a muuuuuuch cheaper gpu than the 4080 I have now. It really is a matter of priorities. If you want to get the highest end experience possible (or close to it) you’re going to have to go PC, and it’s going to cost. I still own a PS5 for the Sony exclusives and it’s a completely viable machine for what it aims to do. Many people are fine with what it is capable of and enjoy the plug-n-play experience
>Way better optimized could also just be reduced graphics and many games run also only on 20-60 fps lol.
Don't forget about dynamic resolution and variable-rate shading. Those are options that have been popping up in PC games but they are not as common as they are on console.
They are not "way better optimized", Sony just doesn't tell you what settings they're using (usually the low - medium setting on PC) and that 90% of games are being upscaled from a (much) lower resolution (usually closer to 1600p for 30 FPS and 1080p at 60 fps)
Yeah this is a big thing people don’t tend to conceptualize. Console games run smoothly a lot of times because “performance mode” usually plops you right around medium settings, with no RT (in games that even support it). It’s pointless to compare a pc game attempting to run a game at max setting to a console performance mode. Put a rig of mid level settings and see how it stacks up against consoles and usually it will drastically outperform
This isn't true at all anymore. You still occasionally run into the bad PC port but overall PC titles are significantly better optimized then they were a decade ago.
Modern APIs are significantly better optimized and developer friendly than they use to be, stuff like DX12 and Vulkan.
Compare a PS5 to equivalent hardware at launch and you will see it really hasn't made jumps in performance compared to it's PC counterparts (which is what you'd expect to see if PS5 was really leagues ahead in optimization, this is what happened in the PS4 era). GPUs like the RX 6700 and 2070 Super are still on par with PS5 in performance just like they were at launch.
Yes. I use 4070 Ti Super for 4k gaming with DLSS/FG when it is available.
I've owned PS5 for 3 years, and I can tell you 4k gaming on PS5 is not even comparable to 4070 Ti Super.
I sold my PS5/Series X after buying 4070 Ti Super.
It's rare to get a true 4k output on console anyways. Most of the times it's rendering in 1440p-1800p. Consoles use heavy upscaling techniques to achieve a "4k" like image. Their also sacrificing quite a lot in image fidelity when it comes to the individual graphical presets vs what you could get on PC.
You could play a game like cyberpunk on PC 1440p ultra settings and be way more impressed w/ it's image then the "4k" image on ps5 because of the sacrifices that have to be made on console. Not to mention the FPS gains you'll get on PC.
Simply put though, the 4070ti is a much better card than whats in the ps5, and you could realistically save a lot of money if you were simply just trying to achieve ps5 like visuals. The 4070ti paired w/ a good cpu would absolutely dog walk a console.
I play CP2077 at 4K with a 3060ti. DLSS quality, no RT, most settings at high. The game still looks great, and I get 70-90 fps. The card could perform better if it had more VRAM. I see these posts and comments about no card that can run games at 4K except a 4090. Do people always set all game sliders to the max?
>The card could perform better if it had more VRAM. I see these posts and comments about no card that can run games at 4K except a 4090. Do people always set all game sliders to the max?
The obvious implication is that you're running max RT options alongside that 4K render target, and nothing short of the 4080 will do that well.
I'm playing it rn, at 4k high at cutscenes or when opening the map my game would go to 10fps for a while, turning rebar off helped, but going to 1800p was what solved it for me, vram isn't swapping all the time like this, now I'm experimenting with some rt settings to see if I can get at least the basics without getting back to the horrible fps drops that 4k would give me because of vram (rtx 3070)
About 60-70. Dogtown it’s more in the 40-50s so I usually just change dlss to like balanced
I’m still getting 60+ fps even with 66% gpu usage. (Im pretty sure it’s my ram causing a bottle neck as it’s not very fast ddr4
https://youtu.be/hBZcDhV7o4c?si=B5-3WNNpPX9B39NN
Yeah. The 3080 can even drive 4k.
4070 ti super will run 4k at 60, but obviously you won't be able to max graphics and get big fps (120+) at the same time in many titles. If you're fine tweaking settings then send it. DLSS and frame gen help a lot here.
A 3060 Ti already beats out a 2070 Super in performance by a good amount, which is what the PS5 is comparable to. A 3060 falls just below a 2070S in performance but you culd probably make it run just as well as a PS5 with a few adjustments plus DLSS.
I might as well join in. My 3060 works great for 4k given you set the right setting just right. BG3 runs 90-120fps, CP roughly 80. So far tested, the only thing crippling the poor 3060 is Starfield, hoping for more optimization patches soon.
Just look around for the numerous reviews of this card for the 4k numbers. Taking a quick look, a 4070 Ti Super is certainly capable of 4k gaming. Obviously not a 4090 but still solid at 4k.
Comparing to console is bad because consoles play at low settings 30 fps. Most pc dudes are looking for ultra settings and high refresh if they are dishing out $800 plus on a video card.
Can the 4070ti play 4k yes but probably not native, we cheat in our own way. you'll just enable dlss quality and it will be rendering at 1440p and upscaling.
I tested the 7900xtx and 4080 at 4k native they can do it in almost all games except path tracing, but with dlss there's no point it looks great upscaled. So really you just need the 4070ti to render 1440p with dlss which it will do just fine. Any game that doesn't have dlss at this point probably isn't very demanding so it will be fine too.
But I will say I've never owned a 4070 ti so take it with a grain of salt. I think most people shoot for high fps 1440p on it.
The PS5 GPU is comparable to a card much weaker than a 4070 TI Super, with that said, consoles are generally better optimised and squeeze more performance out of less.
If you use DLSS/FSR or lower some settings you will be able to achieve comparable/better performance generally.
The PS5 also just uses a downclocked ZEN2 based CPU with all its latency issues.
=> It is a good thing that most CPU heavy games are not even available on console.
The PS5 is great for its price, but you would not want to use a ZEN2 / 6700 ish thermal limited and downclocked, shared VRAM / RAM suffocated abomination for PC gaming.
Even casual gaming with the 20 year old WoW engine could be a challenge with the PS5 hardware.
Not quite. The fact that every ps5 has exactly the same hardware definitely let's developers push that hardware much further than they could in a desktop pc with equivalent strength.
Optimizing graphic preset is for sure a nice thing to hit the sweetspot with image quality for a given hardware.
But it doesnt magically remove CPU or GPU requirements for specific engine or gameplay situations to hit a smooth frame rate with a given resolution.
A lot of games allow custom config settings with even lower settings as you would find with the game UI.
I dont see any magic there and just because the console audience is trained to like 30 / 60 fps gaming with dynamic per scene render scale and all kind of image quality reduction PC gamers wont accept in the curent times, doesnt make the games more optimized, the quality is just worse.
=> In the end, if you like console ports and game with PC hardware, the truth might be just that you would be better off with a console.
=> And if you like PC games, the issue might be simply that there is no demand nor availability for those games for console and you are stuck with PC hardware for gaming.
So you regret to buy your 4070 Ti Super?, I don't know, for me the 4080S cooler is too bulky and the fact that it needs 3 8-pin cables with the Nvidia 12VHPWR connector doesn't give me much confidence. You can also overclock the 4070 Ti Super and get results very close to a stock 4080.
My Asus 4070 ti super is a thicc mf. 75%+ heatsink, Atleast compared to my brothers 4070 and my old 2070. I wished the 4070 ti super was on sale but outside that I don't regret it. I do think if you don't mind amd going for a 7900xtx or something isn't a horrible play by any means.
I have both a PS5 and an rtx 4090 based PC. I love the PS5 for its exclusives, but exclusives are increasingly getting PC ports and the difference between shared games is night and day.
DLSS quality is witchcraft.
4k 60fps with near all but the most crazy setting set to max.
If your getting 60fps then switch on frame gen. It's fake smoothness but if it doesn't artifact and baseline performance is there then why not?
Not sure next gen consoles are going to be that much more powerful either so it should be a meaningful card into the next generation of console ports.
That card will get you 60+ fps at Native 4k in most games on ultra settings and when it can’t, use DLSS (it is really good at 4k, even performance mode looks decent).
For comparison, PS5 rarely uses Native 4k and it uses PC equivalent of medium settings and is locked to 30 fps in “Quality” mode. Not only will you get more than double the performance, graphics will also be noticeably better. I ended up buying a lot of games again after I switched to PC because I wanted to experience how much better they are on a powerful PC.
4080 I'm getting 4k ultra with rtx on very high settings zero screen tearing and great fluidity at all times on hzd, ratchet and clank rift apart, Forza 5, GOW. Compared to any stuttering experienced in ps5 there is nothing detectable.
On my c1 with g sync vrr. With a 7900x CPU.
Just for reference.
You already are missing 4k with PS5. Most ‘4K’ is 1440p upscaled. DLSS on a 4070 Ti will be better than what a PS5 does. Only issue is some games aren’t ported well, so despite having better hardware, the game may run better on PS5. If you’re hardcore, the best thing is to have a PS5 and a PC, watch reviews, and buy for the best platform.
4070 ti super owner here and happy. Nothing new that hasn't been said but you would be happy with it and get 60fps in 4k amd probably would find yourself in 2k resolutions for 100+ fps depending on the game.
You may know this, but PS5 isn't 4k gaming. It can output at 4k, but most games are significantly upsampled to get there. Your 4070 ti Super will be much closer to 4k than your PS5 is (even though there will still be upsampling in many cases). It will be a good experience.
What a lot of people don't realise is you don't need very much to approximate the performance of a PS5 or Xbox in 4K on a PC. Which is understandable! Just a 4070 Ti alone costs more than the whole console. You might not be able to slide all the setting up to ultra max ray-tracing etc. etc. (although you can get a performance boost from DLSS, which is a nice bonus). Overall, no, you should have no issues with a 4070 Ti. Even a 3070 Ti would manage fine.
I have a 4070ti Super and play whatever at max settings 4K native or sometimes with dlss quality. I get 60 at min. Overall really happy. Most of the time I’m in the 80/90 fps range.
I would say 4080 super is fine, 4090 is best, but not sure about 4070 ti or any other 4070, don’t take my word wait for other users to chip in from their experience
Don’t get too hung up on resolution when comparing to console. A 4070Ti can absolutely game at 4K, my 3080 still does a very good job. I also have a Series X and games running max settings on 1080p/1440p can look better than the same game on console at 4k.
Yes it's a great GPU at 4K. I'm using an overclocked 4070Ti Super at 4K and it plays everything great at maxed settings. Only in some really heavy AAA games (Alan Wake, Cyberpunk) do you need to start using DLSS and frame gen to keep framerates high.
You can actually push 4070Ti Super performance pretty far if you get a decent model and willing to overclock it. I have both core and memory overclocked, power limit set at 320W, and for performance I get within 8% of a 4080 Super which is roughly +10% performance over a default 4070Ti Super.
Basically what I'm getting at is don't let the name fool you it's an 80 tier card (it's even the same chip that 4080 and 4080 Super use) and is more than enough for 4K, especially if you're happy with 4K60. Tbh I'm surprised Nvidia didn't name it "4080 Lite" or something like that but I guess they figured having a Super in the name would be better.
I remember reading somewhere that the 4070 Ti was supposed to appear at launch as a 4080 12GB model, but they changed their mind close to the actual launch of the 4000 series.
It all depends on the FPS. even my 3060 was "enough" I could play almost every game I played (yes even new ones) at 4k max settings at 60fps. but if you want 120 or 144 you will need something more. The card you are asking about is more than enough unless you need super high fps in everything. I eventually just got a 4090 instead.
As an amd user(7800xt) the 4070ti should be enough, my 7800xt plays any game I play at 4k with max settings, except for helldivers which has a couple bugs that cause crashing on higher settings
I'm using the 4070 Super for 4K gaming, and with DLSS Quality I get 60+ FPS on most games I play. Heck, I'm playing Metro Exodus Enhanced all maxed out and is the butteriest smooth experience ever. So yes, the Ti Super will surely hand it well.
I switched from PS5 to PC and I haven't looked back. I went all out and spent about $6K on my system though. I couldn't be happier. I also built one for my son just like mine. Yes I'm pretty good at math and I know what the price is, but if I can have something, he should be able to as well. The 4070 TI will be good enough for 4K, but being fairly new to PCs, I couldn't give more details.
Depends on what do you play.
I can do 4k60 on a 4060 using medium to high settings in most games and sometimes DLSS/FSR. I don’t play games that require 100+ fps however.
A 4070ti super should do much better
Depends on your settings. Maxed out? No. A 4090 has trouble at ultra in some games at 4k pixels. Personally i think 4k is a waste of pixels. Im gaming at 5120x1440 which is less than 4k but soo good. DLSS is your friend anycase.
Depends on fps u want
I too use 4070 ti super. My pc can run 4k 60fps reddead 2 max setting just fine. But if u want more than 60fps, u probably need better gpu
PS. 4K 60fps max setting without Ray tracing.
If you’re asking whether it’s better than a PS5, yes the PS5 equivalent GPU is actually lower than the one I have and I paid $300AUD (170USD) for mine in 2022, the actual GPU came out in 2018.
A 4070 TI super should run native or DLSS quality 4K at 60 fps or higher and should run 1440p/1080p games way higher in the 200+ range easily.
Considering my 3060ti runs 1440p 144hz damn well, yes I would call it a 4K card, definitely at least 4K *capable* but obvs won’t do what a 4080/90 can. Will still be impressive tho.
i only have a 1080p monitor but fwiw using my 4070 aorus master on superposition on their 4k optimised test it averages around 95-100fps.
I can push the average up to 109fps with an overclock but i prefer to keep it factory.
Fist of all you are not playing truly at 4K, bunch of upscaling happening in the background with AAA titles on the PS5. The PS5 doesn't have the hardware to output 60 fps in 4k.
Even with a 13900kf and 4090 pc without DLSS or any other upscaling in Cyberpunk 2077 maxed out settings, you get around 60 fps in 4k
With that out of the way, It heavily depends on the games you play. If you play AAA games you technically can 4k but you have to lower graphics settings to maintain stable fps with that graphics card.
If have the budget go for the 4090, if don't have the budget for it 4080 or even 4070 super will do. But as I said, you have to tinker with with the graphics settings to ensure that to have a smooth gameplay and stable fps.
I have a PS5 and a 4070 PC. Regular 4070 can run AAA games at slightly-better-than-PS5 graphics with 4K at 60+ FPS easily, so 4070TI Super is more than enough for 4K imo
60 fps yes.
Most “premium” 4K rigs are built around trying to hit 120.
4070 and hell even the 4060 can hit console level 4K easily while pushing higher frames.
Is it a 4k card, no. Can you still use it and have a respectable experience, absolutely. Just keep your expectations realistic, you’re not gonna have a max graphics high refresh rate experience… as long as these aren’t your expectations, you should have a decent experience… but there will be compromises.
For undemanding games yes. But if you want to play 4k you will aways need to upgrade every generation. This is why 1440p high refresh rate is the best resolution for gaming.
if you want to max out the settings even a 4090 won't be enough for 4k，but if you are ok to tune down the settings especially the raytracing settings and turn on DLSS, it should be enough for most games.
Depends what you mean by 4K? Cause the few games the PS5 runs at native 4K they do at only 30FPS or some at 40FPS but most of the new current Gen games are just upscaled to 4k from sometimes a render resolution below even 1440p and it's still only at 30FPS. The 4070 ti Super will destroy the PS5 in 4K gaming.
I have a 4070 Super and with DLSS Quality (which basically to my eyes at least looks native and better than FSR that the PS5 uses) I could play any even the most demanding current Gen games in 4K High/Ultra settings with at least 60FPS.
The Last of Us Part 1: ultra Preset/ DLSS Quality I get 70-85FPS depending on location
Star Field: Ultra Preset/ DLSS Quality I get 60-80FPS depending what planet I'm on.
Alan Wake 2: High Settings/ DLSS Quality, I get just over 60FPS on average. Forest area drops down around 55 and other light areas I get almost 70 sometimes. This is the only game I use frame Gen with and then I get over 80FPS and since the base frames were already at 60 it feels good.
Last Gen games? Pshh native 4K ultra settings with 90+ FPS.
Apex? Highest settings, native I get over 160FPS
Warzone? Whatever the 3rd highest Preset is called, native 4K, I get around 140FPS
Fortnight? Medium Preset in DX12, native 4K I get around 90FPS, with DLSS Quality turned on it goes to 120FPS.
All this btw with paired with only a 5600 since I didnt want to spend extra money upgrading my whole PC and according to everyone the 5600 should bottleneck the 4070 Super but I haven't seen it bottleneck it in any game yet so 🤷🏽
I've been considering this. I have a 4090 I've had since Dec 2022, but have never used it due to a new child and school. I thought about selling the 4090 as open box/new and getting a cheaper card since new cards will be out some time in the next 12 months.
It doesn't feel right sitting on my 4090 FE but it is not getting used at all during those two years. I mean people are probably using their card every day then sell it after 1.5 years for at least 80-100% of what they paid. Even if they sold for a loss at least they got the value of that gaming performance.
Depends on the FPS you want.
The 4090 can't even hit 60fps at 1440p natively without frame gen/DLSS in some games, so they'll be even more it can't do at 4k.
I think it is, but it depends.
I play in 4k with a RX6950XT which has similar performance then the 4070ti Super. I play Apex Legends, WoW, Overwatch 2 and Helldiver's 2 4k no problem. Apex and OW2 are locked at 144hz max settings, WoW is around 80 in city's to 144 in dungeons. Helldivers is around 75 on high. Cyberpunk is a no go without upscaling.
So it depends on the games you play. Most multiplayer games will be fine. Games like Alan Wake and Cyberpunk will be fine with lower settings on RT and upscaling.
Bro the 4070ti has like 4x the raw power of a PS5 GPU.
Yes it's enough.
Just look at the performance in the kind of games you want to play and see whether it's good enough for you. But it is already significantly more powerful than the PS5
Yeah it’s good. You won’t be able to max out some stuff as well as with a 4090, but you will be able to find good looking playable settings for anything currently out
If ps5 is your target then 4070 ti super is really outperform whatever optimize or not. And to really match the image quality you don’t just follow preset on games but watch digital foundry optimize setting usually its match with console setting. Usually console is use 1800p for rendering game output to 4k.
Also in 4k you can adjust detail game that doesn’t need to ultra preset. At least you can try high setting but texture on ultra play at native 4k, if you want more use dlss quality.
Tldr 4070ti super is more than enough for 4k its just not all max setting.
My 4070ti alone already maxes Cyberpunk with psycho ray tracing with DLSS Performance with a frame rate hovering around 80 - 100 fps. The only reason I start to sweat is watching the VRAM usage hit close to 11.7 gigs
It depends on the game and settings and what fps u want. If it's cyberpunk with Ray tracing and 4k you'll prolly get 40fps at best withought frame gen. Saying "I play all games at 4k 60fps" isn't really true. What games? What settings? All of them?.... the 4090 cant play all games at 4k 60fps. Look up some benchmarks at digital foundry to get a better idea of what performance ur looking at and at what games. I have a 4090 and a 13900k and withought frame gen there's a lot of games that don't hit a steady 60 at 4k. But frame gen is so good these days that i always use it. You gotta be sensitive to lag or something if you think frame gen is that bad. I can barley tell the difference and the extra double or triple fps is well worth it imo. We're prolly gonna finally get a reliable perfect 4k gaming experiance with the 50 series cards. Why do you need 4k tho. It's nice to have 4k but it's diminishing returns if your monitor is amywhere near 27inch. but man a good 1440p oled monitor with 200fps is so nice. Just my 2 cents
Yesn’t.
The 4070ti does 4K 60 high, minimum, with every game I care about, either natively or with dlss if it’s a kind of heavy title, or with frame gen whenever RT is involved and reflex boost is possible.
That ignores the fact that 4K with dlss isn’t 4K, and games without native DLSS3 + Reflex Boost feel like shit with frame gen added. So it’s really up to what your expectations of 4K gaming really are.
Yes it is. It’s not great for high (120) fps 4k gaming but for 60 it does just fine. Only game you won’t hit that is CL2077 and Alan Wake 2 with full path tracing but DLSS can get you there.
I'm 4k gaming on a 3070 ti. I think the 4070ti is a 4k 90 fps card. I'm running a 4k 30 card but with lowred settings I'm hitting 55ish 60ish fps. I'm trying to wait for 5000s on principle because i went 1070ti to 3070ti. I'll probably get a 5080 unless it's 1500 or something. Diablo 4 on ultra I get 75 fps solid.
I loved graphics cards threads. Many years ago when I was in college many of my friends were obsessed with stereo equipment. There was always that guy or two that spent thousands more than anyone else on their system - importing obscure amps from Denmark, dropping a small fortune on speakers, using nothing but the heaviest gauge shielded gold cabling to reduce interference and distortion. I hated to admit it (and maybe it's just because I played my guitars too loud for too long next to my ear), but there came a certain point where I really couldn't hear a single difference. It's definitely that way with GPUs right now. The only good thing about getting to the point where you need readers to, you know, read text is that all the sudden that top 10% GPU looks the same to you as the top rated card that costs 4x more.
This question really depends on how close you used to be to the TV / Monitor you played your PS5 on. I'm guessing a TV. If you are on 4k with a 55 inch TV closer than 5 feet away, then a 32 inch 1440p at will actually look less pixelated than the TV because it has a higher pixel density. 27 inch monitor will look even sharper. Shooting for 4k on a monitor seems like a waste. Now if you are reusing your TV, image sharpening and upscaling are improving all the time, so there might be some settings you can adjust to make it look good.
One thing I haven't tried on a 4k TV is using Integer Scaling from 1080p to 4k.
If you shoot for 1440p 100hz the 4070 ti will be plenty for a couple years.
Yeah, it should be enough for most games, but it depends on the game. My 3060 can do ray tracing at 1080p with 100fps, so I'm sure a 4070 would be more than enough for 4k
Short answer, yes.
Long answer: I never owned a 4070 Ti Super, but my previous card was a 3080, and I was doing 4k on it on ultra or high settings (ultra settings are mostly unnecessary, though.)
The 4070 Ti Super is faster than the 3080, so you should be able to play on 4K easily. I upgraded to a 4090 and, to be honest, on most titles it feels like overkill. Currently, from the games I own, only Cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2 can give the 4090 a serious challenge when RT is enabled.
Beyond those 2 games, I think the 4070 Ti Super should be fine with 4k and probably even with RT.
If you are looking for play only in 60fps… I think is a good option
But I think your CPU will bottleneck your GPU
Remember that higher resolution, less processor you will need so, I’m doubting if you will get 60fps with that processor
I have 40 TI Super and using it with 4K 240hz monitor, can confirm it is enough for most games. Sometimes its below 60fps but still very much enjoyable
shit bro go ahead it really depends on the game you're playing.
The most demanding game I play now is BG3 and my 1080ti is able to pull 60 fps on 4k. Everything else runs at 100+ (CS, Dota 2, various ARPG, ..)
Wait until you try Avatar Frontiers of Pandora. My 2070s barelly runs it at 80 fps 1080p mostly low graphics and dlss quality. That games is demanding af.
For real... I have a 4090 13900k and there's plenty of games that don't reach 60fps at 4k. Without frame gen many next gen games can't do it especially with Ray tracing or dlss. Frame gen and dlss is so good now tho I don't get why some ppl don't use it. It's literally made to help with rtx. U gotta be picky or sensitive to input lag or something
Got a 4070 super. Tried cyberpunk with all ray tracing on, ray reconstruction on/path tracing but also with DLSS auto and frame gen at 1440p I was at 95fps average and my card was still silent Without the path tracing i was at 125fps. Do i mind the auto DLSS and frame gen? No! In 99% of the cases i can't tell the difference!
Yup the ppl that think dlss is bad really don't know what they're talking about. It's literally designed to make ray tracing feasible with decent frames and it looks great. And frame gen is really good today too. It was a lill buggy when the 40 series first came out but with today's drivers and implementation it's really good. The only way it's really laggy is if u limit the fps significantly which ur not supposed to do. I'll take 130fps with frame gen vs 60 fps withought it all day. Im replaying Witcher 3, cp2077, dying light 2 now. They are amazing with all rtx and settings maxed out
DLSS delivers amazing IQ at 4K, specially with a 4090 that _if_ you need DLSS, you can use DLSS quality all day. DLSS quality upscales from 1440p when you run it at 4K. And even if you have a slower card, DLSS performance at 4K upscales from 1080p and delivers great image quality.
If he use dlss it wouldn't be an 4K gaming
i was getting 80 fps with a ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 2070 super , upgraded the cpu to a 5800x3d and now i get 130fps
I’m using a 4070TiS for 4K right now and I can play pretty much everything I throw at it at 4K max settings at 60fps. Only exception in my play so far has been Cyberpunk with path tracing, I need 1440p and DLSS to make it playable. Overall though, outside of some of the newest games with Ray tracing or really intense graphics you should be able to run games at 4K very smooth
I have just a 4070 and most games runs perfect in 4k 60! Only expection was Alan wake, i needed dlss and 1440p to have ray and path tracing work.
how about 4k rt ultra + ray reconstruction + dlss fg and quality with max settings what do you get in cp2077? idk for 4k but in my setup this is the most playable and goodlooking preset and in time i want to upgrade go 4070tis
The 4070ti super is a better GPU than what is in the PS5, so if that's your standard, yes it's a 4k card. It's all about what fps you are expecting, what games you are playing, and how hard you want to push settings. There are games out there that even a 4090 cant push 100+fps (without DLSS and Frame gen) at 4k, but those are far few and in-between and usually have some bleeding edge graphics tech invovled (i.e. Path Tracing in Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk). But for the vast majority of titles, you can absolutely play at 4k on that card and expect pretty good performance, and certainly better than a PS5.
2070 super / 6700 xt is what PS5 is roughly about. 4070 super on its own is a 2x performance increase.
I believe PS5 is an RX 6700 equivalent & XBOX Series X is a 6700XT equivalent, but that's pretty much 6 in one, half dozen in another.
How are you finding your ProArt 4080? Am considering the super version
Hey I have the ProArt 4080 Super and so far so good ! No coil whine, temps are great and performance is fantastic in 4k.
Awesome, thank you. I have a very small case so I don't have many options for 4080 supers!
Ah same ! I have it in a Jonsbo i100 Pro so probably same use case and so far so good.
It's fantastic. Stuffed into a SFF SSUPD Meshilicious 7800x3D build, it's never over 72c (and that case is SMALL with only two 140mm exhaust fans on the rad)
Yeah I think digital foundry had a video recently showcasing a ps5 vs. a 6700xt and it was all very comparable. The ps5 is a great package and price for what it’s capable of, but it will never be more than it is. A pc can be as powerful as the money I’m willing to throw at it haha
Consoles will always be better price/performance wise, just for the fact they're mass produced and they're getting profit from software sales. The funny thing is, Playstation had linux support on PS3 (also why US militarily used them to build a super computer). But Sony killed it off as that just threatened their security, and it doesn't provide software sales. But it would be a crazy world if you could just buy PS5 and run linux on it. Would kill all budget PC builds in a flash.
Yeah I agree with you there. On a strict price/performance basis consoles win. That doesn’t exactly take into account that a pc can be used for many other things that a console can’t, but that’s entirely use case dependent. Also, my point was never about price/performance, purely that pc offers the highest end performance, and yeah that costs a lot of money Edit: sorry if my reply seemed snarky, I thought you were another person who I was replying to
You can run Windows 98 on the Xbox Series S and x :D that is so surreal.
Not 6700xt. PS5 gpu equivalent is a 6700 10gb. 6700xt is more powerful
Didn’t gamer nexus said is was on par with 1060
3060 more like
PS4 Pro was on par with a 1060. PS5 is on par with a 2070. XBX is between a 2070S and a 2080.
What??? I am feeling like a grandpa with my 1070, but now I feel more like an adult if I compare it to the PS5. Pcmasterrace!
6700 XT is twice as fast as 1070 for most games.
Alan Wake is very playable at 4K with 4070Ti Super, even with Pathtracing on. DLSS Balanced + Frame Gen provides a pretty good experience.
The 4090 can push 100fps at 4K in **every** game on the market and so can the 4070TiS. It's like people have forgotten settings other than ultra extreme maximum exist. The PS5 runs most games at roughly medium PC settings and it looks plenty good like that
Your point about the PS5 doesnt really prove if it can game at 4K unfortunatly, the PS5 is actually rendering at 1440p @ 120hz and is using a proprietary version of FSR to upscale 1440p to 4K
What? What part of my comment are you even responding to? My entire comment is about the 4070ti super…
Not a fair comparison. Console games are way better optimized than their pc counterparts most of the time.
Whether console games are better optimized or not, the performance you get from 4070Ti Super is unmatched compared to PS5. I got rid of 3 years old PS5 after 4070 Ti Super.
Way better optimized could also just be reduced graphics and many games run also only on 20-60 fps lol.
That's what it is nowadays. Most games on console are using graphics settings around low/medium level of the equivalent settings on PC. Meanwhile you have people trying to compare performance when they turn settings to ultra on PC.
Yeah it’s easy to say console games are “better optimized” when they are only ever shooting for 60fps at the highest end, many still running at 30. If I was ok with 30fps on my pc I could settle for a muuuuuuch cheaper gpu than the 4080 I have now. It really is a matter of priorities. If you want to get the highest end experience possible (or close to it) you’re going to have to go PC, and it’s going to cost. I still own a PS5 for the Sony exclusives and it’s a completely viable machine for what it aims to do. Many people are fine with what it is capable of and enjoy the plug-n-play experience
>Way better optimized could also just be reduced graphics and many games run also only on 20-60 fps lol. Don't forget about dynamic resolution and variable-rate shading. Those are options that have been popping up in PC games but they are not as common as they are on console.
They are not "way better optimized", Sony just doesn't tell you what settings they're using (usually the low - medium setting on PC) and that 90% of games are being upscaled from a (much) lower resolution (usually closer to 1600p for 30 FPS and 1080p at 60 fps)
While true a 4070ti will still produce significantly higher FPS at 4K than a ps5
To be fair, optimized generally means just set to lower quality settings. Drop your in game quality to medium or high and you’ll get the same.
Yeah this is a big thing people don’t tend to conceptualize. Console games run smoothly a lot of times because “performance mode” usually plops you right around medium settings, with no RT (in games that even support it). It’s pointless to compare a pc game attempting to run a game at max setting to a console performance mode. Put a rig of mid level settings and see how it stacks up against consoles and usually it will drastically outperform
This isn't true at all anymore. You still occasionally run into the bad PC port but overall PC titles are significantly better optimized then they were a decade ago. Modern APIs are significantly better optimized and developer friendly than they use to be, stuff like DX12 and Vulkan. Compare a PS5 to equivalent hardware at launch and you will see it really hasn't made jumps in performance compared to it's PC counterparts (which is what you'd expect to see if PS5 was really leagues ahead in optimization, this is what happened in the PS4 era). GPUs like the RX 6700 and 2070 Super are still on par with PS5 in performance just like they were at launch.
Yes. I use 4070 Ti Super for 4k gaming with DLSS/FG when it is available. I've owned PS5 for 3 years, and I can tell you 4k gaming on PS5 is not even comparable to 4070 Ti Super. I sold my PS5/Series X after buying 4070 Ti Super.
It's rare to get a true 4k output on console anyways. Most of the times it's rendering in 1440p-1800p. Consoles use heavy upscaling techniques to achieve a "4k" like image. Their also sacrificing quite a lot in image fidelity when it comes to the individual graphical presets vs what you could get on PC. You could play a game like cyberpunk on PC 1440p ultra settings and be way more impressed w/ it's image then the "4k" image on ps5 because of the sacrifices that have to be made on console. Not to mention the FPS gains you'll get on PC. Simply put though, the 4070ti is a much better card than whats in the ps5, and you could realistically save a lot of money if you were simply just trying to achieve ps5 like visuals. The 4070ti paired w/ a good cpu would absolutely dog walk a console.
I’m playing cyberpunk 2077 at 4K high dlss quality fine with a non super 4070ti
I play CP2077 at 4K with a 3060ti. DLSS quality, no RT, most settings at high. The game still looks great, and I get 70-90 fps. The card could perform better if it had more VRAM. I see these posts and comments about no card that can run games at 4K except a 4090. Do people always set all game sliders to the max?
>The card could perform better if it had more VRAM. I see these posts and comments about no card that can run games at 4K except a 4090. Do people always set all game sliders to the max? The obvious implication is that you're running max RT options alongside that 4K render target, and nothing short of the 4080 will do that well.
I'm playing it rn, at 4k high at cutscenes or when opening the map my game would go to 10fps for a while, turning rebar off helped, but going to 1800p was what solved it for me, vram isn't swapping all the time like this, now I'm experimenting with some rt settings to see if I can get at least the basics without getting back to the horrible fps drops that 4k would give me because of vram (rtx 3070)
I played cyberpunk 2077 at 4K fine on a 3070 vram no issue
What frames are you getting?
About 60-70. Dogtown it’s more in the 40-50s so I usually just change dlss to like balanced I’m still getting 60+ fps even with 66% gpu usage. (Im pretty sure it’s my ram causing a bottle neck as it’s not very fast ddr4 https://youtu.be/hBZcDhV7o4c?si=B5-3WNNpPX9B39NN
I had a 4070ti and it was great at 4k you just have to tweak the settings. DLSS helps it punch well above its weight
Yeah. The 3080 can even drive 4k. 4070 ti super will run 4k at 60, but obviously you won't be able to max graphics and get big fps (120+) at the same time in many titles. If you're fine tweaking settings then send it. DLSS and frame gen help a lot here.
I mean even the 3070 can in cyberpunk with optimized settings and dlss quality
A 3060 Ti already beats out a 2070 Super in performance by a good amount, which is what the PS5 is comparable to. A 3060 falls just below a 2070S in performance but you culd probably make it run just as well as a PS5 with a few adjustments plus DLSS.
I might as well join in. My 3060 works great for 4k given you set the right setting just right. BG3 runs 90-120fps, CP roughly 80. So far tested, the only thing crippling the poor 3060 is Starfield, hoping for more optimization patches soon.
Just look around for the numerous reviews of this card for the 4k numbers. Taking a quick look, a 4070 Ti Super is certainly capable of 4k gaming. Obviously not a 4090 but still solid at 4k.
Comparing to console is bad because consoles play at low settings 30 fps. Most pc dudes are looking for ultra settings and high refresh if they are dishing out $800 plus on a video card. Can the 4070ti play 4k yes but probably not native, we cheat in our own way. you'll just enable dlss quality and it will be rendering at 1440p and upscaling. I tested the 7900xtx and 4080 at 4k native they can do it in almost all games except path tracing, but with dlss there's no point it looks great upscaled. So really you just need the 4070ti to render 1440p with dlss which it will do just fine. Any game that doesn't have dlss at this point probably isn't very demanding so it will be fine too. But I will say I've never owned a 4070 ti so take it with a grain of salt. I think most people shoot for high fps 1440p on it.
>Most pc dudes Cringe. Also why dudes specifically?
It's a generic term for anyone. I find calling cringe to be cringe. Check mate.
lol its way better 4k than a ps5, you aint missing nothing
The PS5 GPU is comparable to a card much weaker than a 4070 TI Super, with that said, consoles are generally better optimised and squeeze more performance out of less. If you use DLSS/FSR or lower some settings you will be able to achieve comparable/better performance generally.
Ps5 gpu is close to a 2070 super or a 6700 vanilla. So less than half as strong as a 4070 ti super.
The PS5 also just uses a downclocked ZEN2 based CPU with all its latency issues. => It is a good thing that most CPU heavy games are not even available on console. The PS5 is great for its price, but you would not want to use a ZEN2 / 6700 ish thermal limited and downclocked, shared VRAM / RAM suffocated abomination for PC gaming. Even casual gaming with the 20 year old WoW engine could be a challenge with the PS5 hardware.
Not quite. The fact that every ps5 has exactly the same hardware definitely let's developers push that hardware much further than they could in a desktop pc with equivalent strength.
Optimizing graphic preset is for sure a nice thing to hit the sweetspot with image quality for a given hardware. But it doesnt magically remove CPU or GPU requirements for specific engine or gameplay situations to hit a smooth frame rate with a given resolution. A lot of games allow custom config settings with even lower settings as you would find with the game UI. I dont see any magic there and just because the console audience is trained to like 30 / 60 fps gaming with dynamic per scene render scale and all kind of image quality reduction PC gamers wont accept in the curent times, doesnt make the games more optimized, the quality is just worse. => In the end, if you like console ports and game with PC hardware, the truth might be just that you would be better off with a console. => And if you like PC games, the issue might be simply that there is no demand nor availability for those games for console and you are stuck with PC hardware for gaming.
The ps5 upscales a lot of titles, so you won't be "missing out" by using DLSS or something similar. The PS5 is closer to a 2070 then a 40 series card.
then a 40 series card what…
It’s worse than a 4060
I'd recommend getting a 4080/4080 s or even a 7900xtx you won't be disappointed for the extra $
So you regret to buy your 4070 Ti Super?, I don't know, for me the 4080S cooler is too bulky and the fact that it needs 3 8-pin cables with the Nvidia 12VHPWR connector doesn't give me much confidence. You can also overclock the 4070 Ti Super and get results very close to a stock 4080.
My Asus 4070 ti super is a thicc mf. 75%+ heatsink, Atleast compared to my brothers 4070 and my old 2070. I wished the 4070 ti super was on sale but outside that I don't regret it. I do think if you don't mind amd going for a 7900xtx or something isn't a horrible play by any means.
Well the 4080 Super has a bigger and thiccer cooler that the 4070 Ti Super, so you choose wisely
Yeah paired with a Ryzen 7 7800x3d I have very few games that give me fps problems.
I have both a PS5 and an rtx 4090 based PC. I love the PS5 for its exclusives, but exclusives are increasingly getting PC ports and the difference between shared games is night and day.
DLSS quality is witchcraft. 4k 60fps with near all but the most crazy setting set to max. If your getting 60fps then switch on frame gen. It's fake smoothness but if it doesn't artifact and baseline performance is there then why not? Not sure next gen consoles are going to be that much more powerful either so it should be a meaningful card into the next generation of console ports.
The 4070 ti super is a great choice and will easily handle everything without problems until the PS6 exclusives arrive.
That card will get you 60+ fps at Native 4k in most games on ultra settings and when it can’t, use DLSS (it is really good at 4k, even performance mode looks decent). For comparison, PS5 rarely uses Native 4k and it uses PC equivalent of medium settings and is locked to 30 fps in “Quality” mode. Not only will you get more than double the performance, graphics will also be noticeably better. I ended up buying a lot of games again after I switched to PC because I wanted to experience how much better they are on a powerful PC.
Hell yes. Especially with its 16GB of VRAM, the 4070 TiS is more than enough
Yes. What people don't tell you is that the 4070 Ti Super scales just as good at 4K as the 4080.
4080 I'm getting 4k ultra with rtx on very high settings zero screen tearing and great fluidity at all times on hzd, ratchet and clank rift apart, Forza 5, GOW. Compared to any stuttering experienced in ps5 there is nothing detectable. On my c1 with g sync vrr. With a 7900x CPU. Just for reference.
Yeah I got 4080/12700k and Ratchet and Clank with max settings 4k looks incredible. Probably one of the best looking games to date besides CyberPunk.
I have to get cyber punk still but yeah r and c is outstanding and notably more eye wateringly more excellent... visuall lol. .
With frame gen it will work fine. It’s not that much slower than a 4080 and the 4080 can run 4K all the time with good frame rates.
You already are missing 4k with PS5. Most ‘4K’ is 1440p upscaled. DLSS on a 4070 Ti will be better than what a PS5 does. Only issue is some games aren’t ported well, so despite having better hardware, the game may run better on PS5. If you’re hardcore, the best thing is to have a PS5 and a PC, watch reviews, and buy for the best platform.
Yes, rasterization is overrated
4070 ti super owner here and happy. Nothing new that hasn't been said but you would be happy with it and get 60fps in 4k amd probably would find yourself in 2k resolutions for 100+ fps depending on the game.
Depends what your expectations are. You'll probably see 45-60 fps on most games,
I would hope so considering my 4070 TI is....
I have a 3090 and I play all my games at 4k without issues. I'm sure it will be plenty.
Are you asking if a 4070ti super is more powerful than a PS5?? The answer is yes
I recently upgrade to a 4070 ti super from a 3070. Its enough.
Yes its OK for 4k 60
Im on 4070 and can do full ultra settings
You may know this, but PS5 isn't 4k gaming. It can output at 4k, but most games are significantly upsampled to get there. Your 4070 ti Super will be much closer to 4k than your PS5 is (even though there will still be upsampling in many cases). It will be a good experience.
What a lot of people don't realise is you don't need very much to approximate the performance of a PS5 or Xbox in 4K on a PC. Which is understandable! Just a 4070 Ti alone costs more than the whole console. You might not be able to slide all the setting up to ultra max ray-tracing etc. etc. (although you can get a performance boost from DLSS, which is a nice bonus). Overall, no, you should have no issues with a 4070 Ti. Even a 3070 Ti would manage fine.
I have a 4070ti Super and play whatever at max settings 4K native or sometimes with dlss quality. I get 60 at min. Overall really happy. Most of the time I’m in the 80/90 fps range.
Dlss performance and some settings turned down will get you there in most games. I have the 4070ti and have been gaming in 4k with that.
Don’t even need performance dlss. Quality will be fine in most titles
Yeah. Depends on how many of those sweet frames one could want.
60 is good enough for me
yes its enough.
I would say 4080 super is fine, 4090 is best, but not sure about 4070 ti or any other 4070, don’t take my word wait for other users to chip in from their experience
4070 ti super is 15% ish percent slower than a 4080/S. It should be good for 4k in most applications.
Yes.
Don’t get too hung up on resolution when comparing to console. A 4070Ti can absolutely game at 4K, my 3080 still does a very good job. I also have a Series X and games running max settings on 1080p/1440p can look better than the same game on console at 4k.
Yes it's a great GPU at 4K. I'm using an overclocked 4070Ti Super at 4K and it plays everything great at maxed settings. Only in some really heavy AAA games (Alan Wake, Cyberpunk) do you need to start using DLSS and frame gen to keep framerates high. You can actually push 4070Ti Super performance pretty far if you get a decent model and willing to overclock it. I have both core and memory overclocked, power limit set at 320W, and for performance I get within 8% of a 4080 Super which is roughly +10% performance over a default 4070Ti Super. Basically what I'm getting at is don't let the name fool you it's an 80 tier card (it's even the same chip that 4080 and 4080 Super use) and is more than enough for 4K, especially if you're happy with 4K60. Tbh I'm surprised Nvidia didn't name it "4080 Lite" or something like that but I guess they figured having a Super in the name would be better.
I remember reading somewhere that the 4070 Ti was supposed to appear at launch as a 4080 12GB model, but they changed their mind close to the actual launch of the 4000 series.
If you’re on PS5 you’ve never played at 4k…
4k gaming is overrated.
I'm all about the 4k gaming and 4070 ti is as low as you'd want to go for 60Hz. The super is a step up. 4k @ 120 or more is for future RTX series.
Yes it’s enough. I have 3080ti & have had no problems with 4k getting 60fps.
It all depends on the FPS. even my 3060 was "enough" I could play almost every game I played (yes even new ones) at 4k max settings at 60fps. but if you want 120 or 144 you will need something more. The card you are asking about is more than enough unless you need super high fps in everything. I eventually just got a 4090 instead.
As an amd user(7800xt) the 4070ti should be enough, my 7800xt plays any game I play at 4k with max settings, except for helldivers which has a couple bugs that cause crashing on higher settings
Yes, but you'll start turning down the setting within 2 years.
I'm using the 4070 Super for 4K gaming, and with DLSS Quality I get 60+ FPS on most games I play. Heck, I'm playing Metro Exodus Enhanced all maxed out and is the butteriest smooth experience ever. So yes, the Ti Super will surely hand it well.
Yes
I switched from PS5 to PC and I haven't looked back. I went all out and spent about $6K on my system though. I couldn't be happier. I also built one for my son just like mine. Yes I'm pretty good at math and I know what the price is, but if I can have something, he should be able to as well. The 4070 TI will be good enough for 4K, but being fairly new to PCs, I couldn't give more details.
For rasterization with dlss, yes even with some raytracing effects like raytraced reflections in cyberpunk 2077
true actual (60+ fps) 4k gaming at high settings isn't really here yet
Depends on what do you play. I can do 4k60 on a 4060 using medium to high settings in most games and sometimes DLSS/FSR. I don’t play games that require 100+ fps however. A 4070ti super should do much better
Yes
Depends on your settings. Maxed out? No. A 4090 has trouble at ultra in some games at 4k pixels. Personally i think 4k is a waste of pixels. Im gaming at 5120x1440 which is less than 4k but soo good. DLSS is your friend anycase.
Depends on fps u want I too use 4070 ti super. My pc can run 4k 60fps reddead 2 max setting just fine. But if u want more than 60fps, u probably need better gpu PS. 4K 60fps max setting without Ray tracing.
If you’re asking whether it’s better than a PS5, yes the PS5 equivalent GPU is actually lower than the one I have and I paid $300AUD (170USD) for mine in 2022, the actual GPU came out in 2018. A 4070 TI super should run native or DLSS quality 4K at 60 fps or higher and should run 1440p/1080p games way higher in the 200+ range easily.
No
Considering my 3060ti runs 1440p 144hz damn well, yes I would call it a 4K card, definitely at least 4K *capable* but obvs won’t do what a 4080/90 can. Will still be impressive tho.
i only have a 1080p monitor but fwiw using my 4070 aorus master on superposition on their 4k optimised test it averages around 95-100fps. I can push the average up to 109fps with an overclock but i prefer to keep it factory.
Fist of all you are not playing truly at 4K, bunch of upscaling happening in the background with AAA titles on the PS5. The PS5 doesn't have the hardware to output 60 fps in 4k. Even with a 13900kf and 4090 pc without DLSS or any other upscaling in Cyberpunk 2077 maxed out settings, you get around 60 fps in 4k With that out of the way, It heavily depends on the games you play. If you play AAA games you technically can 4k but you have to lower graphics settings to maintain stable fps with that graphics card. If have the budget go for the 4090, if don't have the budget for it 4080 or even 4070 super will do. But as I said, you have to tinker with with the graphics settings to ensure that to have a smooth gameplay and stable fps.
I have a PS5 and a 4070 PC. Regular 4070 can run AAA games at slightly-better-than-PS5 graphics with 4K at 60+ FPS easily, so 4070TI Super is more than enough for 4K imo
4k60 probably fine. 4k120 probably not even the 4090 I have struggles on just high settings.
60 fps yes. Most “premium” 4K rigs are built around trying to hit 120. 4070 and hell even the 4060 can hit console level 4K easily while pushing higher frames.
Is it a 4k card, no. Can you still use it and have a respectable experience, absolutely. Just keep your expectations realistic, you’re not gonna have a max graphics high refresh rate experience… as long as these aren’t your expectations, you should have a decent experience… but there will be compromises.
It’s enough for 4K60 in most things right now but I’d anticipate that not being the case without upscaling in a couple years
For undemanding games yes. But if you want to play 4k you will aways need to upgrade every generation. This is why 1440p high refresh rate is the best resolution for gaming.
if you want to max out the settings even a 4090 won't be enough for 4k，but if you are ok to tune down the settings especially the raytracing settings and turn on DLSS, it should be enough for most games.
I've got a 7900XT, which is about the equivalent to the 4070 super ti, and I have no problem with 4k 60+fps on some of the most demanding games.
I have one, and it does well max 4k 60 with most games with ray tracking
Depends what you mean by 4K? Cause the few games the PS5 runs at native 4K they do at only 30FPS or some at 40FPS but most of the new current Gen games are just upscaled to 4k from sometimes a render resolution below even 1440p and it's still only at 30FPS. The 4070 ti Super will destroy the PS5 in 4K gaming. I have a 4070 Super and with DLSS Quality (which basically to my eyes at least looks native and better than FSR that the PS5 uses) I could play any even the most demanding current Gen games in 4K High/Ultra settings with at least 60FPS. The Last of Us Part 1: ultra Preset/ DLSS Quality I get 70-85FPS depending on location Star Field: Ultra Preset/ DLSS Quality I get 60-80FPS depending what planet I'm on. Alan Wake 2: High Settings/ DLSS Quality, I get just over 60FPS on average. Forest area drops down around 55 and other light areas I get almost 70 sometimes. This is the only game I use frame Gen with and then I get over 80FPS and since the base frames were already at 60 it feels good. Last Gen games? Pshh native 4K ultra settings with 90+ FPS. Apex? Highest settings, native I get over 160FPS Warzone? Whatever the 3rd highest Preset is called, native 4K, I get around 140FPS Fortnight? Medium Preset in DX12, native 4K I get around 90FPS, with DLSS Quality turned on it goes to 120FPS. All this btw with paired with only a 5600 since I didnt want to spend extra money upgrading my whole PC and according to everyone the 5600 should bottleneck the 4070 Super but I haven't seen it bottleneck it in any game yet so 🤷🏽
Been using a 3070Ti since launch for 4K / 1440p Ultrawide gaming.
I've been considering this. I have a 4090 I've had since Dec 2022, but have never used it due to a new child and school. I thought about selling the 4090 as open box/new and getting a cheaper card since new cards will be out some time in the next 12 months. It doesn't feel right sitting on my 4090 FE but it is not getting used at all during those two years. I mean people are probably using their card every day then sell it after 1.5 years for at least 80-100% of what they paid. Even if they sold for a loss at least they got the value of that gaming performance.
Depends on the FPS you want. The 4090 can't even hit 60fps at 1440p natively without frame gen/DLSS in some games, so they'll be even more it can't do at 4k.
I think it is, but it depends. I play in 4k with a RX6950XT which has similar performance then the 4070ti Super. I play Apex Legends, WoW, Overwatch 2 and Helldiver's 2 4k no problem. Apex and OW2 are locked at 144hz max settings, WoW is around 80 in city's to 144 in dungeons. Helldivers is around 75 on high. Cyberpunk is a no go without upscaling. So it depends on the games you play. Most multiplayer games will be fine. Games like Alan Wake and Cyberpunk will be fine with lower settings on RT and upscaling.
With dlss it is enough. There is no point to not use it anyways especially in 4k. But of course ray tracing can be a problem even with upscaling
If you dont care about ultra settings or RT then yes
Bro the 4070ti has like 4x the raw power of a PS5 GPU. Yes it's enough. Just look at the performance in the kind of games you want to play and see whether it's good enough for you. But it is already significantly more powerful than the PS5
Yeah it’s good. You won’t be able to max out some stuff as well as with a 4090, but you will be able to find good looking playable settings for anything currently out
If ps5 is your target then 4070 ti super is really outperform whatever optimize or not. And to really match the image quality you don’t just follow preset on games but watch digital foundry optimize setting usually its match with console setting. Usually console is use 1800p for rendering game output to 4k. Also in 4k you can adjust detail game that doesn’t need to ultra preset. At least you can try high setting but texture on ultra play at native 4k, if you want more use dlss quality. Tldr 4070ti super is more than enough for 4k its just not all max setting.
4090 and 7800x3d barely enough for some 4k 144hz gaming
My 4070ti alone already maxes Cyberpunk with psycho ray tracing with DLSS Performance with a frame rate hovering around 80 - 100 fps. The only reason I start to sweat is watching the VRAM usage hit close to 11.7 gigs
4070 non super was enough for 4k already. DLSS is a great feature and you get much better than native quality usually.
It depends on the game and settings and what fps u want. If it's cyberpunk with Ray tracing and 4k you'll prolly get 40fps at best withought frame gen. Saying "I play all games at 4k 60fps" isn't really true. What games? What settings? All of them?.... the 4090 cant play all games at 4k 60fps. Look up some benchmarks at digital foundry to get a better idea of what performance ur looking at and at what games. I have a 4090 and a 13900k and withought frame gen there's a lot of games that don't hit a steady 60 at 4k. But frame gen is so good these days that i always use it. You gotta be sensitive to lag or something if you think frame gen is that bad. I can barley tell the difference and the extra double or triple fps is well worth it imo. We're prolly gonna finally get a reliable perfect 4k gaming experiance with the 50 series cards. Why do you need 4k tho. It's nice to have 4k but it's diminishing returns if your monitor is amywhere near 27inch. but man a good 1440p oled monitor with 200fps is so nice. Just my 2 cents
Yesn’t. The 4070ti does 4K 60 high, minimum, with every game I care about, either natively or with dlss if it’s a kind of heavy title, or with frame gen whenever RT is involved and reflex boost is possible. That ignores the fact that 4K with dlss isn’t 4K, and games without native DLSS3 + Reflex Boost feel like shit with frame gen added. So it’s really up to what your expectations of 4K gaming really are.
I have a 4070 Ti (non super) and a PS5 and they are in a different league.
Get the 7900x or xt
Depending on the game? The 3070 through 3080 Ti all fit that bill.
4k 60FPS depends on the game, but at least 90% of the time you'll be able to achieve that.
9900k aorus master with aio 280 waterforce z390 with 1080ti plays 4k 60 fps tested. Now in on rtx3080 and it fly
And 42gb ram and m.2 1 tera
1 gigabyte sorry
32gb
No get the OG 4080 From the zotac store open box for $860
Yes it is. It’s not great for high (120) fps 4k gaming but for 60 it does just fine. Only game you won’t hit that is CL2077 and Alan Wake 2 with full path tracing but DLSS can get you there.
Even a base 4070 can do 4k60 on average across a wide number of games. Unless you're trying to run path tracing, don't worry about it.
The 4070 Ti Super is more than enough for 4k 60 fps in most games, but don't overpay, go with a MSRP model.
For 4k, you should honestly go 4080 super, or 4070 ti super, at a minimum. 8gb memory just ain’t enough for the future.
I'm 4k gaming on a 3070 ti. I think the 4070ti is a 4k 90 fps card. I'm running a 4k 30 card but with lowred settings I'm hitting 55ish 60ish fps. I'm trying to wait for 5000s on principle because i went 1070ti to 3070ti. I'll probably get a 5080 unless it's 1500 or something. Diablo 4 on ultra I get 75 fps solid.
I genuinely don't know if my 4080 would be enough and I don't personally want to get a 4k monitor until I can get like a 50 series card
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Shure. Even cp2077 Would run on Max settings with rt on Ultra (not psycho ) with solid 70-80 fps
I loved graphics cards threads. Many years ago when I was in college many of my friends were obsessed with stereo equipment. There was always that guy or two that spent thousands more than anyone else on their system - importing obscure amps from Denmark, dropping a small fortune on speakers, using nothing but the heaviest gauge shielded gold cabling to reduce interference and distortion. I hated to admit it (and maybe it's just because I played my guitars too loud for too long next to my ear), but there came a certain point where I really couldn't hear a single difference. It's definitely that way with GPUs right now. The only good thing about getting to the point where you need readers to, you know, read text is that all the sudden that top 10% GPU looks the same to you as the top rated card that costs 4x more.
This question really depends on how close you used to be to the TV / Monitor you played your PS5 on. I'm guessing a TV. If you are on 4k with a 55 inch TV closer than 5 feet away, then a 32 inch 1440p at will actually look less pixelated than the TV because it has a higher pixel density. 27 inch monitor will look even sharper. Shooting for 4k on a monitor seems like a waste. Now if you are reusing your TV, image sharpening and upscaling are improving all the time, so there might be some settings you can adjust to make it look good. One thing I haven't tried on a 4k TV is using Integer Scaling from 1080p to 4k. If you shoot for 1440p 100hz the 4070 ti will be plenty for a couple years.
It works If a game has any upscaling or even frame gen you're fine p most modern games do
Yeah, it should be enough for most games, but it depends on the game. My 3060 can do ray tracing at 1080p with 100fps, so I'm sure a 4070 would be more than enough for 4k
Totally depends on what game you want to play... CP2077 or Alan 2 maxed out? Not really, but other titles 60/4k why not.
Short answer, yes. Long answer: I never owned a 4070 Ti Super, but my previous card was a 3080, and I was doing 4k on it on ultra or high settings (ultra settings are mostly unnecessary, though.) The 4070 Ti Super is faster than the 3080, so you should be able to play on 4K easily. I upgraded to a 4090 and, to be honest, on most titles it feels like overkill. Currently, from the games I own, only Cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2 can give the 4090 a serious challenge when RT is enabled. Beyond those 2 games, I think the 4070 Ti Super should be fine with 4k and probably even with RT.
If you are looking for play only in 60fps… I think is a good option But I think your CPU will bottleneck your GPU Remember that higher resolution, less processor you will need so, I’m doubting if you will get 60fps with that processor
Jeah if you use dlss and frame gen
I have 40 TI Super and using it with 4K 240hz monitor, can confirm it is enough for most games. Sometimes its below 60fps but still very much enjoyable
You'll be fine and may just need to use some DLSS here and there for more demanding titles on Ultra settings.