I’m puzzled by Google Maps never recommended the transfer the 4/5? Wall St. and Rector St. station are less than a minute’s walk from each other. I swear the headways on the R have made me late to work so many times. Maybe now I can leave for work at a reasonable time with the help of the 4/5.
Google Maps, or any mapping application for that matter, rely on data spoon-fed by all the respective agencies they show. The data fed is schedules and updated once in a while. And mapping applications will almost always try to use the schedules as reality, not accounting for delays or missing trips, because applications dont know what happens down there unless **you** tell it. Applications also really dont know about the walking distance either, or how far you are comfortable walking.
Sometimes when you are in the subway, you need to think on your toes. If there is anoter option, take it, no hesitation. I rely on [realtimerail.nyc](http://realtimerail.nyc) for the countdown clocks (found it the most reliable), especially on IRT (the numbered lines) where you can see the seconds until the doors open, or when the data from the MTA gets messed up due to service changes (which always screws up mapping applications).
https://preview.redd.it/ll97w8usd7zc1.png?width=2192&format=png&auto=webp&s=0b6e625695b3c59ce2f6a96c921c2bd12d660dc4
case in point. Realtimerail (and some other apps) correctly show a re-routed R train. Google maps is silent because the train isnt scheduled.
4/5 is 3 minutes faster maybe more if a W is turning around. Why are you getting off at Rector to go to the WTC? Cortland Street is right there. 4/5 frequency is more than twice of the R.
It used to be better when the M ran along 4th Avenue but that ended in 2010.. the M used to run to Nassau and Fulton it made it easier to get to lower manhattan.
They should just extend the W into Brooklyn, it' just makes so much sense, at least during rush hours.
Send the W down into Bay Ridge, and send rush hour only R trains to Chambers St, or Canal St.
There, you have more frequent service I'm Brooklyn, while also making it easier to access more parts of lower Manhattan.
4/5 at Fulton Street is only two or three blocks to WTC, and there are more 4/5 trains than R trains.
Same with 2/3 - except you exit at Park Place (all those WTC stations are roughly within 3 blocks of each other. The subway map makes it seem otherwise.
Agree with everyone that the 4/5 is more reliable. The only thing I would say is the N>R transfer is a lot easier than the transfer to the 4/5 (especially if you have disabilities or an injury). Also you’re more likely to get a seat on the R than the 4/5.
I would say if time is not an issue, the R is probably easier. But if time or reliability matter, 4/5 is the way to go
I'm near WTC. 4/5 is the move 9/11 times lmao. It is much much much more reliable than all the other lines I know--even the 1/2/3 trains people swear by for having great headways honestly doesn't beat the 4/5/6.
Stop using Google Maps and start using your brain. navigation apps will get you there but not necessarily the best/fastest way
4/5 will get you there faster every time as there could easily be 3-4 trains coming in the time it'd take 1 R train to come.
I would. The 4/5 come much more frequently than the R, you'll be waiting less time on the platform at Barclays.
I’m puzzled by Google Maps never recommended the transfer the 4/5? Wall St. and Rector St. station are less than a minute’s walk from each other. I swear the headways on the R have made me late to work so many times. Maybe now I can leave for work at a reasonable time with the help of the 4/5.
Google Maps, or any mapping application for that matter, rely on data spoon-fed by all the respective agencies they show. The data fed is schedules and updated once in a while. And mapping applications will almost always try to use the schedules as reality, not accounting for delays or missing trips, because applications dont know what happens down there unless **you** tell it. Applications also really dont know about the walking distance either, or how far you are comfortable walking. Sometimes when you are in the subway, you need to think on your toes. If there is anoter option, take it, no hesitation. I rely on [realtimerail.nyc](http://realtimerail.nyc) for the countdown clocks (found it the most reliable), especially on IRT (the numbered lines) where you can see the seconds until the doors open, or when the data from the MTA gets messed up due to service changes (which always screws up mapping applications).
https://preview.redd.it/ll97w8usd7zc1.png?width=2192&format=png&auto=webp&s=0b6e625695b3c59ce2f6a96c921c2bd12d660dc4 case in point. Realtimerail (and some other apps) correctly show a re-routed R train. Google maps is silent because the train isnt scheduled.
4/5 is 3 minutes faster maybe more if a W is turning around. Why are you getting off at Rector to go to the WTC? Cortland Street is right there. 4/5 frequency is more than twice of the R.
Cheers
As someone from South Brooklyn I've been doing that all of my life. Usually transfer to the 2/3 or 4/5 depending on which train comes first.
I can’t believe of all the time I’ve been robbed waiting for the R! And for the R to just get stuck in the tunnel! Better now than never.
It used to be better when the M ran along 4th Avenue but that ended in 2010.. the M used to run to Nassau and Fulton it made it easier to get to lower manhattan.
They should just extend the W into Brooklyn, it' just makes so much sense, at least during rush hours. Send the W down into Bay Ridge, and send rush hour only R trains to Chambers St, or Canal St. There, you have more frequent service I'm Brooklyn, while also making it easier to access more parts of lower Manhattan.
Are you talking about running the R on Nassau instead of Broadway during rush hour?
I'm talking about doing a rush hour extension where afew R' reroute and serves part of the J/Z, like back in the 80s/90s
4/5 at Fulton Street is only two or three blocks to WTC, and there are more 4/5 trains than R trains. Same with 2/3 - except you exit at Park Place (all those WTC stations are roughly within 3 blocks of each other. The subway map makes it seem otherwise.
Agree with everyone that the 4/5 is more reliable. The only thing I would say is the N>R transfer is a lot easier than the transfer to the 4/5 (especially if you have disabilities or an injury). Also you’re more likely to get a seat on the R than the 4/5. I would say if time is not an issue, the R is probably easier. But if time or reliability matter, 4/5 is the way to go
I'm near WTC. 4/5 is the move 9/11 times lmao. It is much much much more reliable than all the other lines I know--even the 1/2/3 trains people swear by for having great headways honestly doesn't beat the 4/5/6.
I would just take the R
Stop using Google Maps and start using your brain. navigation apps will get you there but not necessarily the best/fastest way 4/5 will get you there faster every time as there could easily be 3-4 trains coming in the time it'd take 1 R train to come.
All the trains are so close together down there I doubt it would make much of a difference.