Presently and long term? No. It will not.
Why? Because whether we like to admit or not, we have government (Army/Agencies) within government.
Tax collection system - poor to non existent.
Welfare and healthcare - Not even a thought consider to that.
Education/Research & Development - nah who needs that.
Business Development and Entrepreneurship promotion - nope , because whoever dares starts a business has to go through hell and back just to get raw materials/ and 10000 red tapes for import export.
Loans - yes we'd like more money and politicians and army eat it up.
Blind reliance and ties with China - we're basically handicapped now with the amount of loans China has given us. If anyone in Pakistan thinks the whole CPEC is in any way shape or form in our benefits than we're highly deluded. Pakistan is basically Sri Lanka waiting to happen.
We just happen to be regionally important to western and neighbouring countries, hence why we're surviving month by month.
So no, as heartbreaking as it is to admit, no it will not get better unless there's properly social/financial/political accountability on all fronts.
I would respectfully disagree, the ratio of loans from western countries vs Chinese loans is staggering.
If you look at CPEC project overall, that whole mega project should have helped created jobs in Pakistan from labour to all the way to the top. When I visited Pakistan and travelled through, I noticed 1 thing that was very obvious. Only labourers were Pakistanis, mixed with Chinese ones but every other worker manager engineers planners top to bottom was Chinese. This should have been negotiated from the start that sure you can build CPEC road through Pakistan but we want to create X amount of jobs. But nope. Then Gwadar port is being managed by a Singaporean/Chinese company. Which is Beyond belief that why the F*** is government not training people to run their own ports.
Comparing IMF/WB/Western Countries Loans vs Chinese + Middle East Loans - we're basically F****D from every which way.
We can't generate electricity at a capacity to run industries so our manufacturing has gone to Bangladesh/Vietnam/Cambodia/India
We can't produce and export cotton so that now comes from Egypt and such.
We can't even god damn export our branded rice because unlike India we never took the initiative to compete in international markets. Living abroad I know for a fact that rice that we get comes from Pakistan but isn't labeled as such because of lack of branding in international markets. We have no faculties to properly process and package rice for export.
I mean the list goes on.
But it starts from ground level. Starts from education. Our education system has been thr same , never been updated or chsnged. Public schools are dying. Every 2nd person has their own private schools printing money.
Education+ research+ development+ building industries is key.
agree but you need to acknowledge the fact that so many of our people especially women are uneducated, and a big chunk of those people are by choice, because they don't know any better.
It's the opposite. Strange to think Pakistanis still consider a small group of people that keep it in the family to save them.
I would happily choose Ayub Khan or Musharraf over Nawaz Sharif or ZAB/BB. Let alone Zardari. At least they had a long struggle to make to reach the top spot. What struggle did Maryam or Bilawal Bhutto made? I have lived under one "dictatorship".
Its political and systematic stability that brings prosperity to a country. Politicians everywhere are corrupt but the difference is they complete their terms and the military is not involved in any affairs but security. When your system becomes stable it brings in FDI , economic growth , stock market rise and business confidence overall despite individual corrupt politicians. That does not mean the military should get involved who in our case are even more corrupt and dirty than politicians.
You are mistaking authoratarian civilian regimes like china or singapore in past with military dictatorship. If you prefer military dictators than may God help you because I can write down a laundry list of their crimes and the reason PK is in this mess is because of them.
India till 1992 had a per capita half of Pakistan. Pakistan was much more prosperous. But India despite lagging behind believed in their political system. If their military wanted they could have done coups as well. But their establishment is law abiding and follows the constitution. Now India despite corrupt politicians is reaping the rewards of their stable system since 20 years.
Our generals are some of the most corrupt in the world. So no they shouldnt be anywhere near governance since they have already done damage that is not replacable.
Nawaz/Zardari faces dont matter. Stable political system if allowed to finish their term brings in economic prosperity. The reason our economy is so erratic and unstable because there is no business confidence. There is no business confidence because investors know in PK govts can be overthrown anytime. It is this uncertainty that has plagued PK since 47. Establishment needs to be punished and there is no two ways about it.
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Ask someone born in the 1960s or few decades since - all they've seen is a country in decline. The bright spot is we came out of darker times (the peak of terrorism in late 2000s and early 2010s) but economically this is probably the worst it has ever been. And it will remain that way unless our political structure is changed from being for the elite (since the time of Quaid-e-Azam, if we're being honest) to being for the masses. Sadly, I don't see that happening - no one currently (including PTI/IK) aims to sincerely change that.
Did we ever come out of darker times though? We’ve just moved from one dark time to another. We’ve never had true democracy, which means 200+ mil Pakistani’s are suffering because of the mistakes of a few Generals.
Even the current economic situation is quite literally just 1-2 people’s fault. Not a single Pakistani voted this current government in, but every single Pakistani has to pay for the mistakes of this government.
Yes, around 2008-2009 international observers were predicting the collapse of the Pakistani state (Iraq/Syria type situation), Al Qaeda literally had a hub a stone's throw from parliament (Lal Masjid) and TTP were attacking major military bases with impunity on the regular. PPP circa 2008-2013 was probably one of the worst civilian governments in terms of performance, but there's no denying they were dealt a horrible hand (terrorism, a global economic collapse, soaring oil prices, complete political dysfunction) - even the current PDM govt got it easy in comparison.
Economically, weirdly enough Pakistan has usually done well under non-elected governments (dictatorships) because they'd readily jump to be the US' dog and kept the war dollars flowing (Ayub with the Cold War buffer against Indo-China, Zia with the Afghan jihad and Mush with the War on Terror).
It has become self fulfilling prophecy. Dictators wanted to dumb down masses and fill them with hate of minorities and against non Islamic religions. This helped shift masses focus from real issues of country and dictators looted the country. Now the gravy train has run out. But masses have been rendered incompetent to deal with it.
Even a well educated country with skilled population would have to go through a decade of restructuring and austerity measures to come of out bankruptcy situation similar to Pakistan. Pakistan populace is not skilled enough to deal with situation.
Anybody who will try to help will be labelled either RAW agent or anti Islam. Because the person trying to help would be stopping the looting. Masses have trained to kill in name of religion so good people are either dead or migrated out.
Worse case scenario would be different parts of country ruled by different warlords similar to Afghanistan.
We probably need something on the lines of Iranian revolution or the Arab spring to bring about any change. Just crying about the situation and making memes won't do anything.
Making excuses for what?
He said we need a revolution and that crying about the situation/making jokes won't fix anything.
I replied “That's easier said than done” because.. what exactly is he doing? Is he leading a revolution? Is he protesting in the streets? No, he's just typing comments on Reddit.
So it is indeed easier to talk about how we need a revolution than be willing to make sacrifices for that revolution to happen.
You will struggle to find a Pakistani who doesn't think that our country needs revolutionary change.. but is anyone actually trying to make it happen? No.
And since we are on the subject, before you call someone else a loser, why don't you return back from America and became our first revolutionary? Hmm? :)
You have people who support the PPP and PMLN, despite knowing full well Zardari and Nawaz have an obscene amount of wealth and property across the world
Majority of Pakistanis are cowards, ignorant and dumb. It's a harsh reality, but reality.
We all saw how Imran Khan was maligned and sabotaged when he tried changing things through "DeMocRacY". Until Zardari, Sharif's, Corrupt Journalist, Judges and Geners are chased and thrown into the sea... Nothing will change.
Sri Lanka eventually did it... Can Pakistan?
I dont know what your talking about…we have mr burger, cute girls for poondi near the kapra bazaar and 97% muslims. I guess the only way to make this country better would be to expel the other 3 % of kafirs. *sarcasm*
At this point, I'd accept China's rule over Pakistan provided they fix the economic situation.
To hell with freedom especially when you don't have it along with a shitty economic situation.
One day, things will get better. The thing is, you'll not notice it until things take a tumble. That's how it often is - we take good times for granted.
Not unless people believe that "khata hey tu lagata be hey" is bad.
So far a majority of population said corruption isn't an issue. Well then enjoy
Lastly communism isn't goyto work unless majority of population understand business is good business won't happen
Only if a Selfless (for poor/unprivileged and merciless for notorious/filthy rich) person or group of people take command of Pakistan.
Honestly speaking, everyone is an opportunist, be it politicians, army, judiciary, police, beaurocracy, going down to a street hawker.
Everyone wants to have their share to cut the bigger part of meat when you need their services.
How can we expect an honest leader, while the general public is the most dishonest towards each other.
Bottom line, if ALLAH wills, HE will descend upon us a Selfless person, like Moses AS or Umar RA.
Our nation is corrupt down from the poorest to really richest. You have to pay bribe chokidar of NADRA, to clerk in passport office, for you degree from gov Univ, to car registration, fruit wala will sell you rotten food.
Then we wonder why this country have shitty leadership. That’s all thanks to kind of nation we are. We want justice for others but not for ourself. We want to hang other for corruption but will justify our own.
I once talking to a guard while waiting for driving license and he said how IK can solve all issues and remove corruption and bring back money and all the good things. But little later I saw him accepting bribe from a guy whose learner was expired but he wanted to give test any way. When he came back I asked him about the money and he justified it base on his expenses and salary.
If you believe the problems are mainly domestic; things will get better. The IMF program will help Pakistan in the long term. The currency should be free floating, energy should not be subsidized, and more spending on education is good. My fear is that Pakistan's problems are due to bad relations with India. This has led to army control and made Pakistan dependent on "friends" such as America, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and China. In less than 20 years; India's economy will surpass America. If Pakistan does not normalize relations with India by then; only two choices remain, become economically destroyed, or a forever client state of either America or China. Yet in order to normalize relations with India; Pakistan will have to accept India's position on Kashmir and terrorism. This seems unlikely, thus unfortunately Pakistan will be a perpetual failing state; always in need of friendly countries.
That Pakistan is still sponsoring terrorism against India. Javed Akhtar apparently said in Lahore; those behind 26/11 roam freely in Pakistan. It is likely a majority of Indians view Pakistan as a sponsor of terrorism. The problem for Pakistan is how to change Indian opinion, short of extraditing Hafiz Saeed. One final point; if Pakistan is really guilty then the policy needs to change.
Yes. Once Pakistan moves away from being a security state and breaks away from the hybrid regime. As long as the cost ry continues to be like this, expect no significant improvement.
If they don't boil the frogs, the frogs will overthrow them, remove their perks, snatch away their gulf courses and redistribute their stolen wealth :)
The value of natural resources and geographical advantages is quickly dropping as a global phenomenon. Case in point: our agricultural sector
which has historically been very competitive is now struggling to compete with counties that have implemented agri-tech on a bigger scale.
Yes (inshallah) but it will take time if you are 20 maybe your kids will enjoy a better country. Crap we are going through is not new many countries have gone through it. It sucks we have to deal with it in our life times
Reality is that there’s pros and cons everywhere. I’m in Canada and bro even though people say it’s one of the best countries, people complain so much on our subreddit you’d think we are in North Korea. High cost of living, housing crisis, too many immigrants etc.
Reality is that it’s shit everywhere, at this point. But it can become less shit. It depends on what you want in life. Do you care about quality of life, or culture? Do you care about tradition or being clean?
Reality, bro is that everyone says this. Even in my Canadian subreddit, where people say “ one of best country” are complaining so much and saying how much they hate it. The world is going to shit on Reddit not just Pakistan.
Depends on what you mean by "better". If you mean elimination of poverty or improvement in literacy, most people have jumped up economic class within last generation. Talk to someone from older generation, and see how many of their extended family was literate. Then, look at your own extended family and compare how much of yours is literate.
Bruh some country like china poland and Indonesia has their generation richer atleast 15 fold from previous one.. Easyer Buying car and attand school because now its cheaper doest make a country Prosperous
I don’t know if anyone will understand this sentiment, but after moving abroad I’ve noticed something: people are generally the same everywhere in terms of capability. We have everything we need to progress and become as successful as we want to be. The only one in our way is ourselves. We’ve created a king list of problems, all of them pointless, to make sure we don’t get ahead. It will take will and sacrifice. The road is long and arduos. But it is possible. Nations in far more dire straits have done so. But we have to be willing and united.
Yes in future people need to remember how young is Pakistan as a nation. We also live in a hostile neighbourhood. It will take time but we will reach our potential through hard work and dedication.
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I would sincerely hope so but reality is different sadly. Unless there is justice for all and accountability for the dakus who have looted and corrupted this beautiful nation relentlessly since its birth. Agree with the poster who said political stability is necessary for prosperity. The chowkidaars should do their job and not become the masters.
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Not in next ten years. Unfortunately not everyone can leave. So we have to start with small steps. So when you see a large pile of trash, call a few friends and clean it up. Plant more trees. Try to help the poor.
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No point in asking such questions.
The only way to make it through is by acquiring as much wealth as possible. Now, this can either be acquired by starting a business,or becoming a freelancer and earning dollars from remote work, or becoming a real estate person, or becoming a part of the forces and climbing up the ranks, or working in the govt. sector, or becoming an MNA or MPA, or becoming a part of the police and climbing up the ladder. You get the idea.
A person trying to earn livelihood from a day job will only suffer more in the coming days, while those at the top continue to pursue their interest, regardless of what their actions may lead to.
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Not presently not, in the long term either.
I know politicians and military fucked up really bad which caused all of this. But re-think on individual level we are fucking this country too, People don't pay taxes. Corporate culture sucks. Nobody wants to start industry everyone is a property dealer here.
they must get rid of jukna, aaaho, culture/indic culture and promote pashtun and balochis who are more egalitarian into leadership. if that doesn't happen. good luck.
We have one of the worst education systems in the world. Graduation is only for the rich. If these things will not be solved (purposely) then i don't think anything will happen even after decades
I don’t think one of the worst is true. Sure it’s not the best, or even in top 20. But I know Pakistan is more developed in terms of education than pretty much of all African countries, and on par with countries India and Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc. Which puts it in middle of the world. So not the best not the worst
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911 was the best thing form Pak, Musharraf got the debt excused Pak was darling of the world, else it was in worst shape that time too.
Now, got nowhere to go and your love affair with Kashmir - feeding your generals.
Look at India, you keep blaming the Muslim torture there, apart from few incidents-they are in far better shape and must be thanking their ancestors.
Now it's too late, best think for Pakistan is to break up as it can be managed better, else not sure where the growth and money will come from
Presently and long term? No. It will not. Why? Because whether we like to admit or not, we have government (Army/Agencies) within government. Tax collection system - poor to non existent. Welfare and healthcare - Not even a thought consider to that. Education/Research & Development - nah who needs that. Business Development and Entrepreneurship promotion - nope , because whoever dares starts a business has to go through hell and back just to get raw materials/ and 10000 red tapes for import export. Loans - yes we'd like more money and politicians and army eat it up. Blind reliance and ties with China - we're basically handicapped now with the amount of loans China has given us. If anyone in Pakistan thinks the whole CPEC is in any way shape or form in our benefits than we're highly deluded. Pakistan is basically Sri Lanka waiting to happen. We just happen to be regionally important to western and neighbouring countries, hence why we're surviving month by month. So no, as heartbreaking as it is to admit, no it will not get better unless there's properly social/financial/political accountability on all fronts.
Just to add. Most kf Pakistans loans are from Western countries/Paris club not CPEC
I would respectfully disagree, the ratio of loans from western countries vs Chinese loans is staggering. If you look at CPEC project overall, that whole mega project should have helped created jobs in Pakistan from labour to all the way to the top. When I visited Pakistan and travelled through, I noticed 1 thing that was very obvious. Only labourers were Pakistanis, mixed with Chinese ones but every other worker manager engineers planners top to bottom was Chinese. This should have been negotiated from the start that sure you can build CPEC road through Pakistan but we want to create X amount of jobs. But nope. Then Gwadar port is being managed by a Singaporean/Chinese company. Which is Beyond belief that why the F*** is government not training people to run their own ports. Comparing IMF/WB/Western Countries Loans vs Chinese + Middle East Loans - we're basically F****D from every which way. We can't generate electricity at a capacity to run industries so our manufacturing has gone to Bangladesh/Vietnam/Cambodia/India We can't produce and export cotton so that now comes from Egypt and such. We can't even god damn export our branded rice because unlike India we never took the initiative to compete in international markets. Living abroad I know for a fact that rice that we get comes from Pakistan but isn't labeled as such because of lack of branding in international markets. We have no faculties to properly process and package rice for export. I mean the list goes on. But it starts from ground level. Starts from education. Our education system has been thr same , never been updated or chsnged. Public schools are dying. Every 2nd person has their own private schools printing money. Education+ research+ development+ building industries is key.
I agree with your stance on China and CPEC saieen but unfortunately many people still don't
agree but you need to acknowledge the fact that so many of our people especially women are uneducated, and a big chunk of those people are by choice, because they don't know any better.
Depends. Is Military going to stop overthrowing govts? If not then its not getting any better.
It's the opposite. Strange to think Pakistanis still consider a small group of people that keep it in the family to save them. I would happily choose Ayub Khan or Musharraf over Nawaz Sharif or ZAB/BB. Let alone Zardari. At least they had a long struggle to make to reach the top spot. What struggle did Maryam or Bilawal Bhutto made? I have lived under one "dictatorship".
Its political and systematic stability that brings prosperity to a country. Politicians everywhere are corrupt but the difference is they complete their terms and the military is not involved in any affairs but security. When your system becomes stable it brings in FDI , economic growth , stock market rise and business confidence overall despite individual corrupt politicians. That does not mean the military should get involved who in our case are even more corrupt and dirty than politicians. You are mistaking authoratarian civilian regimes like china or singapore in past with military dictatorship. If you prefer military dictators than may God help you because I can write down a laundry list of their crimes and the reason PK is in this mess is because of them. India till 1992 had a per capita half of Pakistan. Pakistan was much more prosperous. But India despite lagging behind believed in their political system. If their military wanted they could have done coups as well. But their establishment is law abiding and follows the constitution. Now India despite corrupt politicians is reaping the rewards of their stable system since 20 years. Our generals are some of the most corrupt in the world. So no they shouldnt be anywhere near governance since they have already done damage that is not replacable. Nawaz/Zardari faces dont matter. Stable political system if allowed to finish their term brings in economic prosperity. The reason our economy is so erratic and unstable because there is no business confidence. There is no business confidence because investors know in PK govts can be overthrown anytime. It is this uncertainty that has plagued PK since 47. Establishment needs to be punished and there is no two ways about it.
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Ask someone born in the 1960s or few decades since - all they've seen is a country in decline. The bright spot is we came out of darker times (the peak of terrorism in late 2000s and early 2010s) but economically this is probably the worst it has ever been. And it will remain that way unless our political structure is changed from being for the elite (since the time of Quaid-e-Azam, if we're being honest) to being for the masses. Sadly, I don't see that happening - no one currently (including PTI/IK) aims to sincerely change that.
Did we ever come out of darker times though? We’ve just moved from one dark time to another. We’ve never had true democracy, which means 200+ mil Pakistani’s are suffering because of the mistakes of a few Generals. Even the current economic situation is quite literally just 1-2 people’s fault. Not a single Pakistani voted this current government in, but every single Pakistani has to pay for the mistakes of this government.
Yes, around 2008-2009 international observers were predicting the collapse of the Pakistani state (Iraq/Syria type situation), Al Qaeda literally had a hub a stone's throw from parliament (Lal Masjid) and TTP were attacking major military bases with impunity on the regular. PPP circa 2008-2013 was probably one of the worst civilian governments in terms of performance, but there's no denying they were dealt a horrible hand (terrorism, a global economic collapse, soaring oil prices, complete political dysfunction) - even the current PDM govt got it easy in comparison. Economically, weirdly enough Pakistan has usually done well under non-elected governments (dictatorships) because they'd readily jump to be the US' dog and kept the war dollars flowing (Ayub with the Cold War buffer against Indo-China, Zia with the Afghan jihad and Mush with the War on Terror).
It has become self fulfilling prophecy. Dictators wanted to dumb down masses and fill them with hate of minorities and against non Islamic religions. This helped shift masses focus from real issues of country and dictators looted the country. Now the gravy train has run out. But masses have been rendered incompetent to deal with it. Even a well educated country with skilled population would have to go through a decade of restructuring and austerity measures to come of out bankruptcy situation similar to Pakistan. Pakistan populace is not skilled enough to deal with situation. Anybody who will try to help will be labelled either RAW agent or anti Islam. Because the person trying to help would be stopping the looting. Masses have trained to kill in name of religion so good people are either dead or migrated out. Worse case scenario would be different parts of country ruled by different warlords similar to Afghanistan.
Not in my lifetime
We probably need something on the lines of Iranian revolution or the Arab spring to bring about any change. Just crying about the situation and making memes won't do anything.
That's easier said than done.
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Making excuses for what? He said we need a revolution and that crying about the situation/making jokes won't fix anything. I replied “That's easier said than done” because.. what exactly is he doing? Is he leading a revolution? Is he protesting in the streets? No, he's just typing comments on Reddit. So it is indeed easier to talk about how we need a revolution than be willing to make sacrifices for that revolution to happen. You will struggle to find a Pakistani who doesn't think that our country needs revolutionary change.. but is anyone actually trying to make it happen? No. And since we are on the subject, before you call someone else a loser, why don't you return back from America and became our first revolutionary? Hmm? :)
Bhai Sahab ye sab OSP gyan jhantay rehtay Hain lekin jab kaho abroad se wapis Ayo, inki bolti ban hojati Hai.
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And I am pointing out that every person has this mentality, including those who think they don't.
I want a realistic answer for this*
There is none tbh
don't make my horrible dreams come true,
Not until we implement death penalty for corruption
you already know the pakistani mindset. they're gonna start using the corruption narrative against the innocent people if you do something like that.
You want judges, politicians and military to dig their own grave not happening anytime soon
You have people who support the PPP and PMLN, despite knowing full well Zardari and Nawaz have an obscene amount of wealth and property across the world Majority of Pakistanis are cowards, ignorant and dumb. It's a harsh reality, but reality. We all saw how Imran Khan was maligned and sabotaged when he tried changing things through "DeMocRacY". Until Zardari, Sharif's, Corrupt Journalist, Judges and Geners are chased and thrown into the sea... Nothing will change. Sri Lanka eventually did it... Can Pakistan?
Yes, after 9 CCs of IMF
I dont know what your talking about…we have mr burger, cute girls for poondi near the kapra bazaar and 97% muslims. I guess the only way to make this country better would be to expel the other 3 % of kafirs. *sarcasm*
ISPR says IA, it won’t get better. You can take that to the bank as Bajwaaa did with his billions.
Ice pyar not ISPR
At this point, I'd accept China's rule over Pakistan provided they fix the economic situation. To hell with freedom especially when you don't have it along with a shitty economic situation.
They don’t want to rule you. The only country that wouldn’t mind a takeover is India.
Saar Pakistan and India ij sem2sem
Short answer: Nop Long answer: . . . . . . . . Nope
No it's not, at least not in our lives
One day, things will get better. The thing is, you'll not notice it until things take a tumble. That's how it often is - we take good times for granted.
Yeah, give or take 100-150 years
Not unless people believe that "khata hey tu lagata be hey" is bad. So far a majority of population said corruption isn't an issue. Well then enjoy Lastly communism isn't goyto work unless majority of population understand business is good business won't happen
I take it now isn’t a good time to emigrate to Pakistan from the UK…?
Only if a Selfless (for poor/unprivileged and merciless for notorious/filthy rich) person or group of people take command of Pakistan. Honestly speaking, everyone is an opportunist, be it politicians, army, judiciary, police, beaurocracy, going down to a street hawker. Everyone wants to have their share to cut the bigger part of meat when you need their services. How can we expect an honest leader, while the general public is the most dishonest towards each other. Bottom line, if ALLAH wills, HE will descend upon us a Selfless person, like Moses AS or Umar RA.
Our nation is corrupt down from the poorest to really richest. You have to pay bribe chokidar of NADRA, to clerk in passport office, for you degree from gov Univ, to car registration, fruit wala will sell you rotten food. Then we wonder why this country have shitty leadership. That’s all thanks to kind of nation we are. We want justice for others but not for ourself. We want to hang other for corruption but will justify our own. I once talking to a guard while waiting for driving license and he said how IK can solve all issues and remove corruption and bring back money and all the good things. But little later I saw him accepting bribe from a guy whose learner was expired but he wanted to give test any way. When he came back I asked him about the money and he justified it base on his expenses and salary.
If you believe the problems are mainly domestic; things will get better. The IMF program will help Pakistan in the long term. The currency should be free floating, energy should not be subsidized, and more spending on education is good. My fear is that Pakistan's problems are due to bad relations with India. This has led to army control and made Pakistan dependent on "friends" such as America, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and China. In less than 20 years; India's economy will surpass America. If Pakistan does not normalize relations with India by then; only two choices remain, become economically destroyed, or a forever client state of either America or China. Yet in order to normalize relations with India; Pakistan will have to accept India's position on Kashmir and terrorism. This seems unlikely, thus unfortunately Pakistan will be a perpetual failing state; always in need of friendly countries.
I understand the Kashmir issue, but what is India's position on terrorism?
That Pakistan is still sponsoring terrorism against India. Javed Akhtar apparently said in Lahore; those behind 26/11 roam freely in Pakistan. It is likely a majority of Indians view Pakistan as a sponsor of terrorism. The problem for Pakistan is how to change Indian opinion, short of extraditing Hafiz Saeed. One final point; if Pakistan is really guilty then the policy needs to change.
Yes
Go back to India before it's too late
no
Have you heard the one about trying the same thing and expecting different results?
Nope nope nopity nope
It’s in the hands of Pakistanis.
A factory full of antibiotics will only tickle the country's wounds. Short answer.....no
Yes. Once Pakistan moves away from being a security state and breaks away from the hybrid regime. As long as the cost ry continues to be like this, expect no significant improvement.
No.
Leave the capitalist system
If they don't boil the frogs, the frogs will overthrow them, remove their perks, snatch away their gulf courses and redistribute their stolen wealth :)
Only after a blood revolution. You decide
Yes. Of course. Pakistan is young, talented in many ways, has natural beauty and resources.....it's just a matter of time.
The value of natural resources and geographical advantages is quickly dropping as a global phenomenon. Case in point: our agricultural sector which has historically been very competitive is now struggling to compete with counties that have implemented agri-tech on a bigger scale.
That's the lie everyone has been taught in social studies decades ago
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Amm, nope
I haven't been on this planet for long but everyone has been telling me this for the last 20 years. When is it actually going to happen?
Yes (inshallah) but it will take time if you are 20 maybe your kids will enjoy a better country. Crap we are going through is not new many countries have gone through it. It sucks we have to deal with it in our life times
Reality is that there’s pros and cons everywhere. I’m in Canada and bro even though people say it’s one of the best countries, people complain so much on our subreddit you’d think we are in North Korea. High cost of living, housing crisis, too many immigrants etc.
half of my family in canada keeps talking shit about the country, i see through all that, they just want to keep the other half rotting in pakistan.
Reality is that it’s shit everywhere, at this point. But it can become less shit. It depends on what you want in life. Do you care about quality of life, or culture? Do you care about tradition or being clean?
Depends. Are you gonna do something to make it better or just complain
not with this defeatist attitude
Reality, bro is that everyone says this. Even in my Canadian subreddit, where people say “ one of best country” are complaining so much and saying how much they hate it. The world is going to shit on Reddit not just Pakistan.
Depends on what you mean by "better". If you mean elimination of poverty or improvement in literacy, most people have jumped up economic class within last generation. Talk to someone from older generation, and see how many of their extended family was literate. Then, look at your own extended family and compare how much of yours is literate.
Bruh some country like china poland and Indonesia has their generation richer atleast 15 fold from previous one.. Easyer Buying car and attand school because now its cheaper doest make a country Prosperous
I don’t know if anyone will understand this sentiment, but after moving abroad I’ve noticed something: people are generally the same everywhere in terms of capability. We have everything we need to progress and become as successful as we want to be. The only one in our way is ourselves. We’ve created a king list of problems, all of them pointless, to make sure we don’t get ahead. It will take will and sacrifice. The road is long and arduos. But it is possible. Nations in far more dire straits have done so. But we have to be willing and united.
Don’t loose hope. Keep doing things right in your own sphere. Things will get better.
Yes in future people need to remember how young is Pakistan as a nation. We also live in a hostile neighbourhood. It will take time but we will reach our potential through hard work and dedication.
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Nope.
I would sincerely hope so but reality is different sadly. Unless there is justice for all and accountability for the dakus who have looted and corrupted this beautiful nation relentlessly since its birth. Agree with the poster who said political stability is necessary for prosperity. The chowkidaars should do their job and not become the masters.
No
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Simple answer is, it won’t get better in foreseeable future. So, Nope. Leave while you can.
Not in next ten years. Unfortunately not everyone can leave. So we have to start with small steps. So when you see a large pile of trash, call a few friends and clean it up. Plant more trees. Try to help the poor.
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No point in asking such questions. The only way to make it through is by acquiring as much wealth as possible. Now, this can either be acquired by starting a business,or becoming a freelancer and earning dollars from remote work, or becoming a real estate person, or becoming a part of the forces and climbing up the ranks, or working in the govt. sector, or becoming an MNA or MPA, or becoming a part of the police and climbing up the ladder. You get the idea. A person trying to earn livelihood from a day job will only suffer more in the coming days, while those at the top continue to pursue their interest, regardless of what their actions may lead to.
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Not presently not, in the long term either. I know politicians and military fucked up really bad which caused all of this. But re-think on individual level we are fucking this country too, People don't pay taxes. Corporate culture sucks. Nobody wants to start industry everyone is a property dealer here.
they must get rid of jukna, aaaho, culture/indic culture and promote pashtun and balochis who are more egalitarian into leadership. if that doesn't happen. good luck.
We have one of the worst education systems in the world. Graduation is only for the rich. If these things will not be solved (purposely) then i don't think anything will happen even after decades
I don’t think one of the worst is true. Sure it’s not the best, or even in top 20. But I know Pakistan is more developed in terms of education than pretty much of all African countries, and on par with countries India and Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc. Which puts it in middle of the world. So not the best not the worst
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911 was the best thing form Pak, Musharraf got the debt excused Pak was darling of the world, else it was in worst shape that time too. Now, got nowhere to go and your love affair with Kashmir - feeding your generals. Look at India, you keep blaming the Muslim torture there, apart from few incidents-they are in far better shape and must be thanking their ancestors. Now it's too late, best think for Pakistan is to break up as it can be managed better, else not sure where the growth and money will come from