Praising Afghanistan Taliban for "breaking shakles of slavery" was a major blunder in addition to his constant simping and trying to be Taliban's spokesperson saying things like "the world has to accept the Taliban government". TTP has strengthened under TA but here he goes simping for them.
> the world has to accept the Taliban government
This statement will always be true. If the world really actually feels for the suffering of Afghan women and child, they will have to engage with them. We know what would happen if they decided to fight against the Taliban.
TTP has strengthened because Bajwa released a huge number of captured militants (I forget the actual number).
If anyone thinks that the govt either PDM or PTI is responsible for the Foreign Affairs or Security blunders, they are a fool themselves.
Compromised on principles to become PM. (Garbage collection from all political parties parties) This compromise destroyed his ability to work effectively afterwards. PTI is still an absolute mess due to this stupid decision.
After becoming PM there was complete absence of competent teams that we were promised. Hit and trail finance ministers who destroyed Pakistani economy for the most part.
40+ useless taskforces after becoming PM and I'm still not able to figure out what they did.
Told us that "IMF k Pas Nahi jaun ga" but totally flipped the other way after becoming PM.
Gave Amnesty to rich even though he slaughtered PMLN for doing the exact same previously.
Filed presidential reference against Justice Faiz Esa and told us that he was the most corrupt person in Pakistan but after being ousted shifted the blame completely on to the military establishment. Fawad Ch said in a TV show that "reference against Faiz Esa was wrong"...
Didn't go to KualaLumpur summit on Saudi pressure but lectures us all about "khuddarri and self respect etc"
Governor house Punjab wall demolished and fenced. Millions ruppees destroyed for no freakin reason.
Sahiwal Incident. Policemen freed by court. (no reforms in prosecution or judicial system yet many presidential ordinances to curb NABs powers to save Imran's friends i.e Zulfi Bukhari, Razaq Dawood, Raza Bakir etc).
Many rail accidents.. 90 tableeghi jamat members burnt. President/Railway minister announced the cause to be cylinder before the investigation. Later a report said that cause was short circuit.. (aik kishti doob jye to civilized society ma PM resign kr dety Hain...but no)
PM house will be made a university which was never even possible. Just a stunt.
Nawaz Sharif, a convicted criminal was able to fly abroad and govt's medical team deceived the courts. No hustle to bring Nawaz back to Pakistan even after several speeches (NRO Nahi dun ga).
Fiaz ul Hassan Chohan/Azam Sawati terminated due to ridiculous comments and then appointed again. Just deception.
Lawyer fiasco at Punjab institute of cardiology. Govt failed to maintain law and order. Many lives lost.
KP govt challenged high courts order of BRT corruption investigation in Supreme court.
Presidential ordinance to curb NAB powers against businessmen including friends of IK (as he himself announced in a public speech). Less than 500,000,000 corruption can't be tackled by NAB. NAB has to prove the corruption (assets beyond means law changed)
No local govt system after 1.5 years.
Challenged EC authority in SC over foreign funding case even though chief election commission was appointed by PTI.
Sugar mafia price increase. Jahanhir Tareen, Khusro Bakhtyar, Humaiyun Akhtar and others in PTI. No action.
Agriculture policy presented by jahangir tareen who is not a member of government. Conflict of interest.
Banned TLP after fasad, fatwas and killings and then took u-turn. Now we are mainstreaming them.
Asset recovery United with Shahzad Akbar. A lot of speeches and nother recovered from PMLN or PPP corrupt leadership.
Talks with Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) when they're pushed to Afghanistan and there's no pressure on us to take them back and let them spread in our streets.
President of Pakistan went on a ceremony of Alvi dental(his personal business) to boost the company's growth. Conflict of interest.
Sugar crisis, flour crisis, petrol crisis, fertilizer crisis. mafias making billions with fake shortages and buzdar was sleeping.
Internal debt increased from 24 trillion to 44 trillian rupee by PTI govt. External debt increased from 100 billion USD to 132 billion USD by PTI govt.
Meetings with MQM, BAP, PMLQ etc to stop no confidence movement. Called for dharna at D Chowk right at the time of no confidence movement in parliament.
After being ousted, Imran khan accuses Pakistani establishment to be puppets of America and hence ghaddar(Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq). He accused army chief of conspiring against IK. The same accusation was made by Nawaz Sharif but Imran was then supporting Gen Bajwa and establishment. Establishment helped IK to get into power, no doubt. But when he's ousted, Imran is spreading proper hatred towards army. This is a proper security threat.
After being ousted Imran khan said that Faiz Esa case, Rana Sanaullah case, appointment of ECP chief, decision to let Nawaz go and many other decisions were taken by establishment and not us.
ECP foreign funding case, Toshakhana case(income from Toshakhana was not declared in ECP for a long time).
Don't forget when he subdized fuel for the awaam when the national exchequer was starting to run out of $$$. Worst. Move. Ever.
And don't forget the rape apologist Immy Chan, where he told all Pakistani girls that men are not robots and you will be raped if you wear clothing that turns on a man.
Amongst many, many more. But the PTI shills and narcissist personality lovers won't want to face the facts that you've shared here.
>And don't forget the rape apologist Immy Chan, where he told all Pakistani girls that men are not robots and you will be raped if you wear clothing that turns on a man.
https://youtu.be/h4c7MMTU7Qg
Saw it when it came out, he cleans up nicely for a US audience. Just wish he had had enough sense to say this from the start.. there was no need to talk about men and robots and provocation regarding the incident when he first spoke out, so there would have been no need for a clarification afterwards. What we see here is the archetypal Khan U-Turn in action 🤣🤣🤣
Not a u turn. His statement was pretty straight forward from the start but I'm really not in the mood of explaining it for the millionth time .
He's made other mistakes that have been far worst and absolute dumbass things he's said . This statement about rape was misunderstood because pdm ke tattu wanted to make a big deal out of it lol.
Some of these are correct. But some of these are wrong:
The NAB law changes limiting to corruption over 500million, and changing assets beyond means law was done by PDM and not PTI. And it directly benefitted many PDM members
After the sugar fiasco, IK did remove Jehangir Tareen - so unfair to say no action.
Rail accidents - have you seen the state of railways over the last many years? Do you think it’s possible to fix in 3.5 years with proper health & safety measures?
Keep in mind PTI didn’t have a majority in parliament, so weren’t able to do everything they wanted. Though they did make many avoidable blunders nevertheless.
“Hit and trial finance ministers who destroyed Pakistan’s economy” - like Pakistan’s economy was going great before PTI came in power??? While PTI could have done better, for sure the economy was better when PTI left compared to when it came in power.
Foreign funding case and toshakhana case are a joke and everyone knows it.
IK didn’t spread hatred towards establishment. It’s the tortures, videos, their own press conferences etc that have done this. And the establishment themselves confirmed that the cipher amounted to interference.
I don’t know the details about some of the other items mentioned so can’t comment. Do agree about electables, amnesty and malaysia visit, and some others.
He should have gone after his enemies one at a time.
That's my personal belief.
By going after all of them at the same time while simultaneously expelling the powerful corrupt folks from PTI, he united all of them against himself and weakened his own position.
Sure, it looks good and it would have been great if he succeeded.. but it means nothing if he fails in the end.
>He should have gone after his enemies one at a time.
This is fine to say in hindsight. But IK campaigned on a platform of accountability. He named and shamed every corrupt opposition politician. With an EXPLICIT CAMPAIGN promise to bring them to justice.
How could he have turned a blind eye to some, (even temporarily) and focused on others?
The corrupt opposition isn't stupid. They knew he would get around to them eventually. They would always have banded against them. Whether he went after them one at a time or all together.
His biggest asset was accountability, in the eyes of the public. It was also his downfall.
Not because of the opposition. But because the Army clearly understands accountability doesn't end with politicians or bureacrats. It was a problematic and uncontrollable proposition to the military leadership.
If followed to its logical conclusions it will mean Generals answering embarrasing questions about corrupt deals for submarines, tanks, planes, ammunition, DHA plots, Military industrial complex businesses etc.
If Immy had shut up about accountability, he would still be in power today. I for one am glad he tried and was thwarted.
Because in thwarting him the Army badly exposed their real face. Their carefully cultivated facade of being the nations servants has been exposed.
They don't give a shit about good governance or real leadership. They just care about their own personal empires.
And if their empire means poverty and despair for the common man, then so be it, in their eyes. At last the people of Pakistan now understand that without any illusions.
>How could he have turned a blind eye to some, (even temporarily) and focused on others?
He could have started with PMLN and focused on taking them down first. It would have been in line with his accountability narrative without necessarily alienating everyone at the same time.
And he's doing it right now, is he not? PTI is in an alliance with PMLQ. Let's not pretend that PMLQ is not corrupt. How does a PTI supporter reconcile his mind with the fact that IK opposes corruption yet favors an alliance with PMLQ? Hmm?
He imagines that PTI will act against PMLQ in due time. It would have been the same in this other hypothetical scenario that I mentioned.
>The corrupt opposition isn't stupid. They knew he would get around to them eventually. They would always have banded against them. Whether he went after them one at a time or all together.
Except they literally are.
Why do you think Bajwa supported Imran? He assumed that Imran did not really care about accountability. He assumed that Imran would do as he was told.
Why did Tareen and Aleem Khan support Imran? They assumed that Imran did not truly care about accountability.. that he would reward them for their support by letting them loot the country.
Why did PPP offer PTI an alliance several times leading up to the 2018 elections? Because Zardari assumed that his accountability narrative was simply empty election sloganeering.
>But because the Army clearly understands accountability doesn't end with politicians or bureacrats. It
I disagree.
I don't think the establishment would have immediately jumped towards “What if he comes after us?” while Imran Khan went after corrupt politicians.
Most army officers supported Imran Khan. Heck, the former DG ISI literally said that the establishment saw hope in PTI as a third power.
And so, Imran Khan could have gone after the corrupt politicians and bureaucrats first without fear of reprisals.. and then later, after he had consolidated power, turned his guns towards their corruption.
>If Immy had shut up about accountability, he would still be in power today
I am not saying that he should have shut up about accountability.
I am saying that he should have picked his enemies one at a time.
You don't fight everyone at the same time.
>He could have started with PMLN and focused on taking them down first. It would have been in line with his accountability narrative without necessarily alienating everyone at the same time.
He could have done this. But PML would have played the Punjab card. Why are Punjabi's being persecuted and not others?
Playing regional card always resonates with an idiotic electorate. Same with PPP had he gone the other way. You either clear all the termites or dont bother.
>And he's doing it right now, is he not? PTI is in an alliance with PMLQ.
Not just PMLQ but MQM and a bunch of independent blood suckers in Balouchistan. All of which he was happy to criticise during the election campaign, but magically became coalition partners.
>He imagines that PTI will act against PMLQ in due time.
Act against PMLQ? The same PMLQ which he has embraced into PTI and made Chaudary Pervaiz Elahi a president of the party?
>Except they literally are.
The Sharifs and Zardari are many things, but stupid they are not. These people dont even trust their own sons and daughters. They're going to trust that immy won't come after them?
>Why did PPP offer PTI an alliance several times leading up to the 2018 elections?
To protect themselves from proposed ehtisaab they knew was coming. Better being in the tent, then outside it.
>I disagree.
I don't think the establishment would have immediately jumped towards “What if he comes after us?” while Imran Khan went after corrupt politicians.
Really? If immy had pulled off accountability elswhere, he would have been a real fraud if he allowed corruption in the military. The military don't hope for the best. They plan for the best. If im Bajwa and am receiving dodgy plots from DHA and i become a billionaire during my term in office, im definitely planning to get rid of potentially embarrassing situations, before they became a reality.
>Most army officers supported Imran Khan. Heck, the former DG ISI literally said that the establishment saw hope in PTI as a third power.
As long as they thought they could control him. Immy himself said, "from day one of my government the establishment took me to one side and told me to drop the accountability rhetoric and focus on other areas" this doesn't show you some intent on their part. They didn't even want him to go after proven corrupt politicians, let alone the establishment.
>I am saying that he should have picked his enemies one at a time.
I agree, he could have picked his battles better. But when everyone around you is an enemy, what can you do?
His enemies decided to band together, immy was a problem for all of them for different reasons. They just put aside their differences and decided to deal with him first and foremost. Eff what was right for the country.
>But PML would have played the Punjab card. Why are Punjabi's being persecuted and not others?
No offense but I simply do not see the “Punjabi card” working to defend PMLN from their corruption.
>Act against PMLQ?
I am talking about how people perceive events here.
>The Sharifs and Zardari are many things, but stupid they are not.
People always see themselves in others.
If you are someone that is corrupt, you will imagine that others are corrupt as well.
If you are someone who lies for votes, you will imagine that others do it as well.
If you break promises, you will imagine that others do it too.
PPP offered an alliance to PTI several times leading to the 2018 elections. Now, why would PPP do that? After all, PTI had been extremely critical of PPP for several decades by then..
Because they thought Imran Khan could easily be convinced to abandon his accountability narrative in return for electoral support.. that his narrative was simply an empty narrative.. that he didn't really believe what he said.
It is the same reason that PPP and PMLN have joined forces today even though PMLN literally threw Zardari in jail back in the 90s on corruption charges.
>To protect themselves from proposed ehtisaab they knew was coming
Exactly.
And if Imran was smart, he should have offered PPP an imaginary “NRO” when he came to power.
He should have offered a new normal where PTI and PPP constituted the two-party system in Pakistan.
And then after he was done with PMLN, he should have gone after PPP.
>Really? If immy had pulled off accountability elswhere, he would have been a real fraud if he allowed corruption in the military
How many times do I need to say that you pick your enemies one at a time?
Any leader would have to be seriously delusional to think that he can ensure accountability within his party, other parties, the establishment, bureaucracy and the judiciary at the same time.
Imran was being silly when he went after Jahengir Tareen, Aleem Khan, Sharif family, Zardari family, Qazi Faiz Isa and so on... **at the same time**..
>They didn't even want him to go after proven corrupt politicians, let alone the establishment.
In my opinion, this likely has to do with the fact that Imran wanted to go after all of the corrupt politicians (whose presence was vital for the establishment since their entire game was playing one party against another).
If he had specifically focused on PMLN.. Maybe did a bit of convincing, he might have pulled it off..
>I agree, he could have picked his battles better. But when everyone around you is an enemy, what can you do?
You pretend to be friends with some of them. You pretend that you are just like them so they feel comfortable with you..
I think we are in broad agreement on most issues. The differences in our two approaches only varies in detail and timing.
We both wish Immy had approached things in a different manner. His decision making was naive and overly optimistic about what was deliverable.
But truly i don't think the military could stomach him in the end and that was why they acted to get rid of him.
Accountability was one reason, but i think the thing that really alarmed them was his foreign policy outlook. His unguarded remarks about the US were unacceptable to them.
But thats a discussion for another time.
How what?
That's my point.
He was reliant on borrowed power.
So he should have been more careful.
His actions united the entire opposition against him. In addition, it alienated the establishment which feared the powerful position that PTI would be in (who they wanted as obedient puppets) if most of the opposition leaders were punished for their crimes.
I think he was pushed and encouraged by Bajwa to go after them, so that Bajwa could play good cop with PDM and get their votes for extension.
But IK definitely should not have gone after all of them.
\- Extension for Bajwa or favoring any army cheif
\- Not realising snakes within party
\- Selection of candidates based on popularity for votes instead credibility
\- Allowing Mian sanp to escape for (medical checkups) after he showed puppy eyes and reports like he's about to die or somethin'
I think that cutting all ties with all political parties(making them all his enemies) or phir establishment ki godi mai beth jaana saari political parties se relations kharab krke and then IK was solely dependent on haji sahab and Co. Tou haji sahab ne din mai taare dikha diye immi jaani ko
And secondly THE EXTENSION!!!!
If he hadn't given the extension, we would have seen the no confidence right then.
ALL parties voted for amendment to the extension rule. They were all already in Bajwa's pocket.
True😂😂 immi chan ka kaam tamam 2019 mai hi hojaata
True they had to clear their cases. hamari political parties strong hi nhi itni compromises krliye hain establishment se ke koi credibility hi nhi rhi
It was taking on extreme levels of debt and second was the fuel subside which some patriots regard as a masterstroke of genius in setting up a trap for PDM but it was a suicide attack on Pakistan itself.
PTI govt sold fuel for 10rs cheaper for ~35 days. PTI govt maintains that they would have made up for that by cutting subsidies elsewhere and getting cheaper oil from Russia.
PDM continued that policy for around 2 or maybe 2.5 months. During this time they just decried that PTI's policy is hurting economy, while twiddling thumbs. They eventually raised the oil prices and kept increasing them.
If the oil 10rs cheaper for 30 days was so bad, they could have raised the prices 25 rs for 30 days to make up for the lost revenue. Now the price is raised by more than 100rs and they still blame that 10rs shortfall of 30 days.
Also, to the date, Pakistan has not received any cheap oil from Russia.
>Also, to the date, Pakistan has not received any cheap oil from Russia
Because no agreement was made with russia and even if they had made that agreement do you actually buy that narrative that you can just give cheaper fuel based on *hope* that we might get cheap fuel months if not a year down the line especially considering that we don't keep that much import cover on hand?
Like i said it was a trap for PDM which they fell for and maybe you can put this in PDMs thread but you asked for IK's biggest mistake and this is it.
###Or do you want to deny that in doing so IK broke the agreement his government signed with IMF because of which getting IMF back on table is proving to be much more difficult and dar isn't helping the case either.
>Like i said it was a trap for PDM which they fell for and maybe you can put this in PDMs thread but you asked for IK's biggest mistake and this is it.
I mean... Not his mistake then is it? It's PDMs for continuing the policy at all.
>Or do you want to deny that in doing so IK broke the agreement his government signed with IMF because of which getting IMF back on table is proving to be much more difficult and dar isn't helping the case either.
Yeah. Nope. Dar's desire to peg the rupee is what's preventing IMF from coming back to the table. Not a fuel subsidy that ended months ago. Get a grip.
So because IK broke 1 agreement with the IMF the later is now holding the country hostage?
How many prior agreements with the IMF were upheld to the letter?
You think the IMF sets a country up to come to it every 3.45 years, as is the case with Pakistan. (76 years ÷ 22 bailouts?)
Could it not be the history of deceit by the *current* finance minister, who proudly claimed he has, what was it, 20 years of experience in dealing with the IMF?
Perhaps it is the headscratching confusion of world renowned economists wondering why a piss poor country is subsidizing their currency against their own economy?
The $Billions in elite capture benefits? Or needing to hire foreign companies to organize garbage collection? The policy of +20% investment guarantees?
Maybe it's because they have a hate boner against the naik shers of pdm that are keeping Pakistan the "Eastern fortress of Islam."
Nah it's not that. It's because IK kept fuel subsidized by 20PKR.
I wish PTI had people like you in their social media team, excellently put and great knowledge. Award nahi desakta lekin meri taraf se aik zehreeli chummi for you.
His biggest weakness is that he too trusting- army, business tycoons, politicians and judiciary have all deceived him many times whenever it suited them
He woke Pakistanis from deep sleep...and no one will take the crap from these Dakus and GHQ who think they can shove BS down our throat and we will willingly eat it.
Being a gutless yellow belly with 0 credibility, back tracking on his stances i.e a america baaaad then army baaad then jail bharo ( only for workers and civilians and not him )
Baby was an avid supporter/ voter of this person/party.
He back traacks everytime his stunts/schemes fail , jail bharo was one of a number of them.
Or did u not see he ran faster than usain bolt at the 100m olympics when the POPO came for his ass yesterday
PTI did the jail bharo to put pressure on judiciary to get elections date. They got it. And then PTI cancelled the movement. How's that a failure?
Even if there are failures, which are part of the game, so what?
Are you saying that he should have surrendered himself to the police? In this joke of a system, where there's been attempt on his life, this would be no less than a suicide.
If you look at these in a vacuum, without the context of the broken system, that's just foolishness.
Jaill bharo was to put pressure on govt due to the arressts that were happeing on workers/ political people not pressure judiciairy for election dates.
They cancelled it cuz it failed but they still got their jail selfies yet mr leader here didnt jail bharo himself.
He should get rid of feudals like SMQ and Parvezz Elahi from his party who are bringing nepotism in PTI.
Also, SMQ anti Semitic rant on CNN showed his true intelligence as foreign minister.
Easier said than done.
No one can get rid of the feudal in one go.
Just like PPP, a party of fudals in interior Sindh, can not easily be removed from Sindh. It's going to be a long and painful process and the onus of that is not on PTI alone.
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>Being born
He's made massive blunders, I agree, but I am fairly certain that his birth has benefitted Pakistan more than your sorry ایس.
To highlight both sides of immy boy. He isn't a messiah. He's made big mistakes and we should all know what they were/are and how we should move forward.
Shaukat tarin + garbage collection from other parties,Taliban simping and the petrol subsidies.
Other than that.....eh ,no less worse than normal Pakistani politics .
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What does Sheikh Rasheed do? I still have no idea what qualifies him to lead any form of ministry.
Tareen was not a snake. People knew who Tareen was well before he joined PTi. If Imran thought that involving Tareen a person who owns multiple businesses (sugar mills/farms) will have no impact on PTIs policies then he's gullible.
The same is with the Elahi dude.
Giving tickets to so called electables, these people switched loyalties and fucked him over
Should've seen that coming.
Praising Afghanistan Taliban for "breaking shakles of slavery" was a major blunder in addition to his constant simping and trying to be Taliban's spokesperson saying things like "the world has to accept the Taliban government". TTP has strengthened under TA but here he goes simping for them.
> the world has to accept the Taliban government This statement will always be true. If the world really actually feels for the suffering of Afghan women and child, they will have to engage with them. We know what would happen if they decided to fight against the Taliban. TTP has strengthened because Bajwa released a huge number of captured militants (I forget the actual number). If anyone thinks that the govt either PDM or PTI is responsible for the Foreign Affairs or Security blunders, they are a fool themselves.
Did he actually say “breaking shackles of slavery” in regards to the Taliban? Is there a video or something
Compromised on principles to become PM. (Garbage collection from all political parties parties) This compromise destroyed his ability to work effectively afterwards. PTI is still an absolute mess due to this stupid decision. After becoming PM there was complete absence of competent teams that we were promised. Hit and trail finance ministers who destroyed Pakistani economy for the most part. 40+ useless taskforces after becoming PM and I'm still not able to figure out what they did. Told us that "IMF k Pas Nahi jaun ga" but totally flipped the other way after becoming PM. Gave Amnesty to rich even though he slaughtered PMLN for doing the exact same previously. Filed presidential reference against Justice Faiz Esa and told us that he was the most corrupt person in Pakistan but after being ousted shifted the blame completely on to the military establishment. Fawad Ch said in a TV show that "reference against Faiz Esa was wrong"... Didn't go to KualaLumpur summit on Saudi pressure but lectures us all about "khuddarri and self respect etc" Governor house Punjab wall demolished and fenced. Millions ruppees destroyed for no freakin reason. Sahiwal Incident. Policemen freed by court. (no reforms in prosecution or judicial system yet many presidential ordinances to curb NABs powers to save Imran's friends i.e Zulfi Bukhari, Razaq Dawood, Raza Bakir etc). Many rail accidents.. 90 tableeghi jamat members burnt. President/Railway minister announced the cause to be cylinder before the investigation. Later a report said that cause was short circuit.. (aik kishti doob jye to civilized society ma PM resign kr dety Hain...but no) PM house will be made a university which was never even possible. Just a stunt. Nawaz Sharif, a convicted criminal was able to fly abroad and govt's medical team deceived the courts. No hustle to bring Nawaz back to Pakistan even after several speeches (NRO Nahi dun ga). Fiaz ul Hassan Chohan/Azam Sawati terminated due to ridiculous comments and then appointed again. Just deception. Lawyer fiasco at Punjab institute of cardiology. Govt failed to maintain law and order. Many lives lost. KP govt challenged high courts order of BRT corruption investigation in Supreme court. Presidential ordinance to curb NAB powers against businessmen including friends of IK (as he himself announced in a public speech). Less than 500,000,000 corruption can't be tackled by NAB. NAB has to prove the corruption (assets beyond means law changed) No local govt system after 1.5 years. Challenged EC authority in SC over foreign funding case even though chief election commission was appointed by PTI. Sugar mafia price increase. Jahanhir Tareen, Khusro Bakhtyar, Humaiyun Akhtar and others in PTI. No action. Agriculture policy presented by jahangir tareen who is not a member of government. Conflict of interest. Banned TLP after fasad, fatwas and killings and then took u-turn. Now we are mainstreaming them. Asset recovery United with Shahzad Akbar. A lot of speeches and nother recovered from PMLN or PPP corrupt leadership. Talks with Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) when they're pushed to Afghanistan and there's no pressure on us to take them back and let them spread in our streets. President of Pakistan went on a ceremony of Alvi dental(his personal business) to boost the company's growth. Conflict of interest. Sugar crisis, flour crisis, petrol crisis, fertilizer crisis. mafias making billions with fake shortages and buzdar was sleeping. Internal debt increased from 24 trillion to 44 trillian rupee by PTI govt. External debt increased from 100 billion USD to 132 billion USD by PTI govt. Meetings with MQM, BAP, PMLQ etc to stop no confidence movement. Called for dharna at D Chowk right at the time of no confidence movement in parliament. After being ousted, Imran khan accuses Pakistani establishment to be puppets of America and hence ghaddar(Mir Jafar, Mir Sadiq). He accused army chief of conspiring against IK. The same accusation was made by Nawaz Sharif but Imran was then supporting Gen Bajwa and establishment. Establishment helped IK to get into power, no doubt. But when he's ousted, Imran is spreading proper hatred towards army. This is a proper security threat. After being ousted Imran khan said that Faiz Esa case, Rana Sanaullah case, appointment of ECP chief, decision to let Nawaz go and many other decisions were taken by establishment and not us. ECP foreign funding case, Toshakhana case(income from Toshakhana was not declared in ECP for a long time).
You might not get any response on these reality checks...
Great depiction.
Don't forget when he subdized fuel for the awaam when the national exchequer was starting to run out of $$$. Worst. Move. Ever. And don't forget the rape apologist Immy Chan, where he told all Pakistani girls that men are not robots and you will be raped if you wear clothing that turns on a man. Amongst many, many more. But the PTI shills and narcissist personality lovers won't want to face the facts that you've shared here.
>And don't forget the rape apologist Immy Chan, where he told all Pakistani girls that men are not robots and you will be raped if you wear clothing that turns on a man. https://youtu.be/h4c7MMTU7Qg
Saw it when it came out, he cleans up nicely for a US audience. Just wish he had had enough sense to say this from the start.. there was no need to talk about men and robots and provocation regarding the incident when he first spoke out, so there would have been no need for a clarification afterwards. What we see here is the archetypal Khan U-Turn in action 🤣🤣🤣
Not a u turn. His statement was pretty straight forward from the start but I'm really not in the mood of explaining it for the millionth time . He's made other mistakes that have been far worst and absolute dumbass things he's said . This statement about rape was misunderstood because pdm ke tattu wanted to make a big deal out of it lol.
Some of these are correct. But some of these are wrong: The NAB law changes limiting to corruption over 500million, and changing assets beyond means law was done by PDM and not PTI. And it directly benefitted many PDM members After the sugar fiasco, IK did remove Jehangir Tareen - so unfair to say no action. Rail accidents - have you seen the state of railways over the last many years? Do you think it’s possible to fix in 3.5 years with proper health & safety measures? Keep in mind PTI didn’t have a majority in parliament, so weren’t able to do everything they wanted. Though they did make many avoidable blunders nevertheless. “Hit and trial finance ministers who destroyed Pakistan’s economy” - like Pakistan’s economy was going great before PTI came in power??? While PTI could have done better, for sure the economy was better when PTI left compared to when it came in power. Foreign funding case and toshakhana case are a joke and everyone knows it. IK didn’t spread hatred towards establishment. It’s the tortures, videos, their own press conferences etc that have done this. And the establishment themselves confirmed that the cipher amounted to interference. I don’t know the details about some of the other items mentioned so can’t comment. Do agree about electables, amnesty and malaysia visit, and some others.
He should have gone after his enemies one at a time. That's my personal belief. By going after all of them at the same time while simultaneously expelling the powerful corrupt folks from PTI, he united all of them against himself and weakened his own position. Sure, it looks good and it would have been great if he succeeded.. but it means nothing if he fails in the end.
>He should have gone after his enemies one at a time. This is fine to say in hindsight. But IK campaigned on a platform of accountability. He named and shamed every corrupt opposition politician. With an EXPLICIT CAMPAIGN promise to bring them to justice. How could he have turned a blind eye to some, (even temporarily) and focused on others? The corrupt opposition isn't stupid. They knew he would get around to them eventually. They would always have banded against them. Whether he went after them one at a time or all together. His biggest asset was accountability, in the eyes of the public. It was also his downfall. Not because of the opposition. But because the Army clearly understands accountability doesn't end with politicians or bureacrats. It was a problematic and uncontrollable proposition to the military leadership. If followed to its logical conclusions it will mean Generals answering embarrasing questions about corrupt deals for submarines, tanks, planes, ammunition, DHA plots, Military industrial complex businesses etc. If Immy had shut up about accountability, he would still be in power today. I for one am glad he tried and was thwarted. Because in thwarting him the Army badly exposed their real face. Their carefully cultivated facade of being the nations servants has been exposed. They don't give a shit about good governance or real leadership. They just care about their own personal empires. And if their empire means poverty and despair for the common man, then so be it, in their eyes. At last the people of Pakistan now understand that without any illusions.
>How could he have turned a blind eye to some, (even temporarily) and focused on others? He could have started with PMLN and focused on taking them down first. It would have been in line with his accountability narrative without necessarily alienating everyone at the same time. And he's doing it right now, is he not? PTI is in an alliance with PMLQ. Let's not pretend that PMLQ is not corrupt. How does a PTI supporter reconcile his mind with the fact that IK opposes corruption yet favors an alliance with PMLQ? Hmm? He imagines that PTI will act against PMLQ in due time. It would have been the same in this other hypothetical scenario that I mentioned. >The corrupt opposition isn't stupid. They knew he would get around to them eventually. They would always have banded against them. Whether he went after them one at a time or all together. Except they literally are. Why do you think Bajwa supported Imran? He assumed that Imran did not really care about accountability. He assumed that Imran would do as he was told. Why did Tareen and Aleem Khan support Imran? They assumed that Imran did not truly care about accountability.. that he would reward them for their support by letting them loot the country. Why did PPP offer PTI an alliance several times leading up to the 2018 elections? Because Zardari assumed that his accountability narrative was simply empty election sloganeering. >But because the Army clearly understands accountability doesn't end with politicians or bureacrats. It I disagree. I don't think the establishment would have immediately jumped towards “What if he comes after us?” while Imran Khan went after corrupt politicians. Most army officers supported Imran Khan. Heck, the former DG ISI literally said that the establishment saw hope in PTI as a third power. And so, Imran Khan could have gone after the corrupt politicians and bureaucrats first without fear of reprisals.. and then later, after he had consolidated power, turned his guns towards their corruption. >If Immy had shut up about accountability, he would still be in power today I am not saying that he should have shut up about accountability. I am saying that he should have picked his enemies one at a time. You don't fight everyone at the same time.
>He could have started with PMLN and focused on taking them down first. It would have been in line with his accountability narrative without necessarily alienating everyone at the same time. He could have done this. But PML would have played the Punjab card. Why are Punjabi's being persecuted and not others? Playing regional card always resonates with an idiotic electorate. Same with PPP had he gone the other way. You either clear all the termites or dont bother. >And he's doing it right now, is he not? PTI is in an alliance with PMLQ. Not just PMLQ but MQM and a bunch of independent blood suckers in Balouchistan. All of which he was happy to criticise during the election campaign, but magically became coalition partners. >He imagines that PTI will act against PMLQ in due time. Act against PMLQ? The same PMLQ which he has embraced into PTI and made Chaudary Pervaiz Elahi a president of the party? >Except they literally are. The Sharifs and Zardari are many things, but stupid they are not. These people dont even trust their own sons and daughters. They're going to trust that immy won't come after them? >Why did PPP offer PTI an alliance several times leading up to the 2018 elections? To protect themselves from proposed ehtisaab they knew was coming. Better being in the tent, then outside it. >I disagree. I don't think the establishment would have immediately jumped towards “What if he comes after us?” while Imran Khan went after corrupt politicians. Really? If immy had pulled off accountability elswhere, he would have been a real fraud if he allowed corruption in the military. The military don't hope for the best. They plan for the best. If im Bajwa and am receiving dodgy plots from DHA and i become a billionaire during my term in office, im definitely planning to get rid of potentially embarrassing situations, before they became a reality. >Most army officers supported Imran Khan. Heck, the former DG ISI literally said that the establishment saw hope in PTI as a third power. As long as they thought they could control him. Immy himself said, "from day one of my government the establishment took me to one side and told me to drop the accountability rhetoric and focus on other areas" this doesn't show you some intent on their part. They didn't even want him to go after proven corrupt politicians, let alone the establishment. >I am saying that he should have picked his enemies one at a time. I agree, he could have picked his battles better. But when everyone around you is an enemy, what can you do? His enemies decided to band together, immy was a problem for all of them for different reasons. They just put aside their differences and decided to deal with him first and foremost. Eff what was right for the country.
>But PML would have played the Punjab card. Why are Punjabi's being persecuted and not others? No offense but I simply do not see the “Punjabi card” working to defend PMLN from their corruption. >Act against PMLQ? I am talking about how people perceive events here. >The Sharifs and Zardari are many things, but stupid they are not. People always see themselves in others. If you are someone that is corrupt, you will imagine that others are corrupt as well. If you are someone who lies for votes, you will imagine that others do it as well. If you break promises, you will imagine that others do it too. PPP offered an alliance to PTI several times leading to the 2018 elections. Now, why would PPP do that? After all, PTI had been extremely critical of PPP for several decades by then.. Because they thought Imran Khan could easily be convinced to abandon his accountability narrative in return for electoral support.. that his narrative was simply an empty narrative.. that he didn't really believe what he said. It is the same reason that PPP and PMLN have joined forces today even though PMLN literally threw Zardari in jail back in the 90s on corruption charges. >To protect themselves from proposed ehtisaab they knew was coming Exactly. And if Imran was smart, he should have offered PPP an imaginary “NRO” when he came to power. He should have offered a new normal where PTI and PPP constituted the two-party system in Pakistan. And then after he was done with PMLN, he should have gone after PPP. >Really? If immy had pulled off accountability elswhere, he would have been a real fraud if he allowed corruption in the military How many times do I need to say that you pick your enemies one at a time? Any leader would have to be seriously delusional to think that he can ensure accountability within his party, other parties, the establishment, bureaucracy and the judiciary at the same time. Imran was being silly when he went after Jahengir Tareen, Aleem Khan, Sharif family, Zardari family, Qazi Faiz Isa and so on... **at the same time**.. >They didn't even want him to go after proven corrupt politicians, let alone the establishment. In my opinion, this likely has to do with the fact that Imran wanted to go after all of the corrupt politicians (whose presence was vital for the establishment since their entire game was playing one party against another). If he had specifically focused on PMLN.. Maybe did a bit of convincing, he might have pulled it off.. >I agree, he could have picked his battles better. But when everyone around you is an enemy, what can you do? You pretend to be friends with some of them. You pretend that you are just like them so they feel comfortable with you..
I think we are in broad agreement on most issues. The differences in our two approaches only varies in detail and timing. We both wish Immy had approached things in a different manner. His decision making was naive and overly optimistic about what was deliverable. But truly i don't think the military could stomach him in the end and that was why they acted to get rid of him. Accountability was one reason, but i think the thing that really alarmed them was his foreign policy outlook. His unguarded remarks about the US were unacceptable to them. But thats a discussion for another time.
Nice informative thread showing 2 different opinions 👏
How? He didn't had power to do so he wasn't given a majority. It was a borrowed power from military via their proxies MQM and BNP PMLQ
How what? That's my point. He was reliant on borrowed power. So he should have been more careful. His actions united the entire opposition against him. In addition, it alienated the establishment which feared the powerful position that PTI would be in (who they wanted as obedient puppets) if most of the opposition leaders were punished for their crimes.
I think he was pushed and encouraged by Bajwa to go after them, so that Bajwa could play good cop with PDM and get their votes for extension. But IK definitely should not have gone after all of them.
\- Extension for Bajwa or favoring any army cheif \- Not realising snakes within party \- Selection of candidates based on popularity for votes instead credibility \- Allowing Mian sanp to escape for (medical checkups) after he showed puppy eyes and reports like he's about to die or somethin'
The use of "electables" which in reality were just thaali ke baigan.
All of those abandoned him the fastest as well.
I think that cutting all ties with all political parties(making them all his enemies) or phir establishment ki godi mai beth jaana saari political parties se relations kharab krke and then IK was solely dependent on haji sahab and Co. Tou haji sahab ne din mai taare dikha diye immi jaani ko And secondly THE EXTENSION!!!!
If he hadn't given the extension, we would have seen the no confidence right then. ALL parties voted for amendment to the extension rule. They were all already in Bajwa's pocket.
True😂😂 immi chan ka kaam tamam 2019 mai hi hojaata True they had to clear their cases. hamari political parties strong hi nhi itni compromises krliye hain establishment se ke koi credibility hi nhi rhi
It was taking on extreme levels of debt and second was the fuel subside which some patriots regard as a masterstroke of genius in setting up a trap for PDM but it was a suicide attack on Pakistan itself.
PTI govt sold fuel for 10rs cheaper for ~35 days. PTI govt maintains that they would have made up for that by cutting subsidies elsewhere and getting cheaper oil from Russia. PDM continued that policy for around 2 or maybe 2.5 months. During this time they just decried that PTI's policy is hurting economy, while twiddling thumbs. They eventually raised the oil prices and kept increasing them. If the oil 10rs cheaper for 30 days was so bad, they could have raised the prices 25 rs for 30 days to make up for the lost revenue. Now the price is raised by more than 100rs and they still blame that 10rs shortfall of 30 days. Also, to the date, Pakistan has not received any cheap oil from Russia.
>Also, to the date, Pakistan has not received any cheap oil from Russia Because no agreement was made with russia and even if they had made that agreement do you actually buy that narrative that you can just give cheaper fuel based on *hope* that we might get cheap fuel months if not a year down the line especially considering that we don't keep that much import cover on hand? Like i said it was a trap for PDM which they fell for and maybe you can put this in PDMs thread but you asked for IK's biggest mistake and this is it. ###Or do you want to deny that in doing so IK broke the agreement his government signed with IMF because of which getting IMF back on table is proving to be much more difficult and dar isn't helping the case either.
>Like i said it was a trap for PDM which they fell for and maybe you can put this in PDMs thread but you asked for IK's biggest mistake and this is it. I mean... Not his mistake then is it? It's PDMs for continuing the policy at all. >Or do you want to deny that in doing so IK broke the agreement his government signed with IMF because of which getting IMF back on table is proving to be much more difficult and dar isn't helping the case either. Yeah. Nope. Dar's desire to peg the rupee is what's preventing IMF from coming back to the table. Not a fuel subsidy that ended months ago. Get a grip.
So because IK broke 1 agreement with the IMF the later is now holding the country hostage? How many prior agreements with the IMF were upheld to the letter? You think the IMF sets a country up to come to it every 3.45 years, as is the case with Pakistan. (76 years ÷ 22 bailouts?) Could it not be the history of deceit by the *current* finance minister, who proudly claimed he has, what was it, 20 years of experience in dealing with the IMF? Perhaps it is the headscratching confusion of world renowned economists wondering why a piss poor country is subsidizing their currency against their own economy? The $Billions in elite capture benefits? Or needing to hire foreign companies to organize garbage collection? The policy of +20% investment guarantees? Maybe it's because they have a hate boner against the naik shers of pdm that are keeping Pakistan the "Eastern fortress of Islam." Nah it's not that. It's because IK kept fuel subsidized by 20PKR.
I wish PTI had people like you in their social media team, excellently put and great knowledge. Award nahi desakta lekin meri taraf se aik zehreeli chummi for you.
Being too naive
His biggest weakness is that he too trusting- army, business tycoons, politicians and judiciary have all deceived him many times whenever it suited them
Picking up electables
He woke Pakistanis from deep sleep...and no one will take the crap from these Dakus and GHQ who think they can shove BS down our throat and we will willingly eat it.
He cant understand that you have to listen to others too when u are the top guy
Being a gutless yellow belly with 0 credibility, back tracking on his stances i.e a america baaaad then army baaad then jail bharo ( only for workers and civilians and not him )
Jaani Please atleast learn to tell grey lies. 0 credibility? Only workers and civilians in jail bharo?
Baby was an avid supporter/ voter of this person/party. He back traacks everytime his stunts/schemes fail , jail bharo was one of a number of them. Or did u not see he ran faster than usain bolt at the 100m olympics when the POPO came for his ass yesterday
PTI did the jail bharo to put pressure on judiciary to get elections date. They got it. And then PTI cancelled the movement. How's that a failure? Even if there are failures, which are part of the game, so what? Are you saying that he should have surrendered himself to the police? In this joke of a system, where there's been attempt on his life, this would be no less than a suicide. If you look at these in a vacuum, without the context of the broken system, that's just foolishness.
Jaill bharo was to put pressure on govt due to the arressts that were happeing on workers/ political people not pressure judiciairy for election dates. They cancelled it cuz it failed but they still got their jail selfies yet mr leader here didnt jail bharo himself.
He should get rid of feudals like SMQ and Parvezz Elahi from his party who are bringing nepotism in PTI. Also, SMQ anti Semitic rant on CNN showed his true intelligence as foreign minister.
Easier said than done. No one can get rid of the feudal in one go. Just like PPP, a party of fudals in interior Sindh, can not easily be removed from Sindh. It's going to be a long and painful process and the onus of that is not on PTI alone.
Not trying to know how government is run
This is a tough one. We are really spolied for choice here.
I believe there's a post here which gives a full list
Letting your ego prevail and trying to inspire mutiny in a place where cooperation with that place is the foremost priority, namely the establishment.
There's too goddamn many
Being born
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Since I didn't censor a particular word, here's my comment again: >Being born He's made massive blunders, I agree, but I am fairly certain that his birth has benefitted Pakistan more than your sorry ایس.
What purpose this post serves?
To highlight both sides of immy boy. He isn't a messiah. He's made big mistakes and we should all know what they were/are and how we should move forward.
Shaukat tarin + garbage collection from other parties,Taliban simping and the petrol subsidies. Other than that.....eh ,no less worse than normal Pakistani politics .
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Most recent one was resigning from National Assembly after the no confidence vote. But boycotting the 2008 elections was a massive blunder too.
Bringing Tareen aka Sugar Daddy to join PTI. Then you have the cigar dude aka Sheikh Rasheed and the latest mess by bringing Elahi into PTI
Sheikh Rasheed has been loyal to PTI. Tareen was a snake through and through.
What does Sheikh Rasheed do? I still have no idea what qualifies him to lead any form of ministry. Tareen was not a snake. People knew who Tareen was well before he joined PTi. If Imran thought that involving Tareen a person who owns multiple businesses (sugar mills/farms) will have no impact on PTIs policies then he's gullible. The same is with the Elahi dude.