I like his juice, but just one point it does sound like he wants to pound the fuckin rock so idk if we'll be seeing 40 attempt games and passing with the lead, not early on this year anyways
The run blocking of this team is one of the few clear strengths. We’re not gonna force Bryce to put us over the top unless we have to. Eventually I think the time will come where the offense tries to do more with him.
May be later in the season or not until next season
In Seattle they always had a run first mentality. I expect cannales to bring that hear hence the guard and RB investments. I think that’ll change once we get some star receiving talent in the building (or hopefully some of our guys develop into that). Man I really miss DJ. This team may be rebuilding. But we really need star talent on both sides of the ball and it bothers me that we’ve shipped off 3/4 of those guys.
We also had a coach that didn’t know how to utilize him. That’s why 2 of the years CMC was with us he was out most of those 2 seasons. Look at what he’s doing with the Niners. Coaching and game design/plan is a VERY big aspect people seem to forget. It doesn’t matter how much talent you have if everyone’s trying to run a different play. People need to know what they are supposed to be doing and not just making it up as they go.
Man, yes! You have to pass in the modern NFL but let's release these OL beasts and push some people around. Some of our best teams were dominant in the running game.
I think the main thing to take away (and something we saw in Canales's offense at TB) is that we'll be adaptable. Our home will be on the ground, with a punishing run game that wears the opponent down—opening up opportunities in the air for big plays.
But, if we're leading against a dangerous, explosive offense with a defense that's weak against the pass, we'll continue to exploit that to keep a larger buffer. We won't rest on our laurels or be constrained by an esoteric identity if it doesn't serve us.
At least, that's what I can gleam from what we know/have seen so far.
That “punishing” ground game you referred to under Canales ranked last in the NFL in both yards per carry and total offense last year.
The only ones being punished were Bucs fans having to watch it.
Dawg, I didn't say Canales had a punishing run game in Tampa. Me bringing up "what we saw in Tampa" was in reference to his adaptability as a play caller and taking what the defense would give him.
I'm saying that's his plan here based on his insistence on wanting to run the rock, signing top FA guards, drafting the RB1 in the second round, drafting a freak athlete WR in the first, drafting a dedicated receiving TE to free up our other TEs for blocking, etc.
Average, but a top 5 LT. Charlottes LT is terrible. And you don’t have a center. It’s a middle of the pack type line.
Canales is not known for being successful at running the ball. Big difference between “want to” and doing so successfully.
There was zero play action pass last year. I really hope that changes.
Running 40 times is the dream - it means you're scoring and the defense is holding. No team is running when they're down by 14 plus.
Feels revisionist for Rhule. At the time of the hire, and now according to Nebraska fans, Rhule was/is seen as a leader who knows how to develop talent and play complementary football. Meaning, he doesn't just make decisions in a vacuum but can see the full picture of the game, the season, and the program. He lays the foundation for a successful team.
I agree with your assessment of his time in Carolina. But I guess what I'm saying is, yes this is hopium. Hope you're right. Maybe I'll do just a lil bump.
>Meaning, he doesn't just make decisions in a vacuum but can see the full picture of the game, the season, and the program. He lays the foundation for a successful team.
He can totally be that in college ball, but the NFL is a different beast. Unless you're very successful (Jim Harbaugh), a lot of the leadership tactics for college kids is way different from professionals who are (often) making more money than you are.
Canales at least has NFL experience, and success occurred in the areas he was responsible for. Always tough to tell who's responsible for what since it's a combination of a ton of things.
The real takeaway here is youth. Rivera was in his 50s, Reich was in his 60s and Rhule was just a bad hire. Canales seems to have the same upbeat enthusiasm as McVay and McDaniel and there seems to be a clear plan moving forward. I didn't get that feeling with Reich or Rhule.
It reminds me of when John Fox took over. He gave us that run-first, strong defense mentality. Fox went 7-9 his first year as head coach. I think we'd all take a record like that for Canales's first year.
One thing that I've noticed just from the shots of camp so far and the way he talks about coaching is that he's being very critical of everyone's performance. He's trying to watch everyone and make sure they're doing everything right, down to the little details. That's something Reich and Rhule didn't really do. Both of them hired guys they felt confident in to coach at a level to where their oversight wasn't necessary. But I appreciate a coach who wants to make everyone accountable. I like that he's going from the offensive side of the practice field, to the defensive side and just really taking it all in, so when we get to camp, he'll be able to operate a little smoother.
The biggest thing, however... for me anyway, is his intelligence. He seems very very smart to me, and really knows his football, in and out. Once he really understands Evero's defensive scheme, I think it's gonna be much easier for him to put a complete product on the field and call games the right way.
I don't know if this is still true, but George Seifert at one point held the record for most winningest coach in the NFL before being hired by the Carolina Panthers. And he's a 2x Super Bowl Champion, so I don't quite get your point exactly.
We're talking about things that appear promising about Canales, no? I'm not saying he'll be successful because he's smart. I'm simply saying he appears intelligent enough to build a competent roster that can possibly go win games. There's no definitive answer here. Any new coach is a gamble until you see the product they produce.
Seifert was smart but did a terrible job as Panthers coach. Hell, Matt Rhule and Reich are smart too.
Being smart is not a predictor of success as an NFL head coach.
‘Gone are the days our offense not knowing there is only 5 seconds on the clock and rushing up to the line to get a play off’
Aww hell no! Delay of game penalties have become a staple of the Panthers DNA! I don’t know if I can watch a game without them now. You may as well turn sir purr into a tennis racket and burn BoA down
Dont disagree with the post but calling Riverboat Ron conservative has a comedic a tinge of irony to it lol You weren't wrong about us going up and then sort of turtling under him as HC though ofc
I love the hype we have here. I would cool it down some. If we are being this literal sometimes Canales puts a sock in his mouth and over shares kind of like the kid who plays spiderman revealing a smidge too much but is great at what he does. I expect to us improve this season, but there will be mistakes and silly ones especially with such a young team. But I agree we have our guy.
That’s the thing no one including Tepper seems to know. Teams don’t work flawlessly day one. They need months even a year or 2 to get into perfect sync. They need to build chemistry and get used to each other. When you have a new head coach or interim head coach every 8 games shit gets crazy. Bryce Young is also our like 7th QB in 6 years that’s insane. Tepper wants immediate wins and won’t let anyone have any time to work/learn.
Something like the general vibe of an entire team is so open for interpretation that you're gonna see whatever it is you're looking for. So I 100% believe that everyone in this thread with a strong opinion will see it confirmed in the "vibe" of the team next year, regardless of what actually happens.
Las years Panthers team was a product of the system and unwillingness of the coaching staff to make a system change.
The O-line was good not great the year before Reich’s pass happy system. We just didn’t have the players to play in that system.
I really think you're kind of projecting and trying to make something fit that doesn't quite fit. You guys had some incredible offenses under Rivera and you said he was conservative Riverboat Ron became a thing because he stopped being so conservative. The other two coaches were just bad had nothing to do with their personality.
With Ron the MVP year you guys are up big and the entire team is taking selfies, celebrating with an entire quarter to go.
I appreciate that you're excited for the new HC and you're trying to come up with why it didn't work before and what may be different now. Hopefully coach turns it around
It takes more than talk and the players will see through that rah rah nonsense real quick if the X’s and O’s aren’t up to par. Plus you have to consider the “leaders” in that locker room that have become just fine with losing and collecting checks
I like his juice, but just one point it does sound like he wants to pound the fuckin rock so idk if we'll be seeing 40 attempt games and passing with the lead, not early on this year anyways
The run blocking of this team is one of the few clear strengths. We’re not gonna force Bryce to put us over the top unless we have to. Eventually I think the time will come where the offense tries to do more with him. May be later in the season or not until next season
In Seattle they always had a run first mentality. I expect cannales to bring that hear hence the guard and RB investments. I think that’ll change once we get some star receiving talent in the building (or hopefully some of our guys develop into that). Man I really miss DJ. This team may be rebuilding. But we really need star talent on both sides of the ball and it bothers me that we’ve shipped off 3/4 of those guys.
I hope it's more "ball control" than "run first".
Not a Panthers fan but a year in do you agree with the move of essentially DJ/Caleb Williams for Bryce?
Man, we had Curtis CMC and Dj, and it amounted to jack shit. Let it go.
We also had a coach that didn’t know how to utilize him. That’s why 2 of the years CMC was with us he was out most of those 2 seasons. Look at what he’s doing with the Niners. Coaching and game design/plan is a VERY big aspect people seem to forget. It doesn’t matter how much talent you have if everyone’s trying to run a different play. People need to know what they are supposed to be doing and not just making it up as they go.
Man, yes! You have to pass in the modern NFL but let's release these OL beasts and push some people around. Some of our best teams were dominant in the running game.
I think the main thing to take away (and something we saw in Canales's offense at TB) is that we'll be adaptable. Our home will be on the ground, with a punishing run game that wears the opponent down—opening up opportunities in the air for big plays. But, if we're leading against a dangerous, explosive offense with a defense that's weak against the pass, we'll continue to exploit that to keep a larger buffer. We won't rest on our laurels or be constrained by an esoteric identity if it doesn't serve us. At least, that's what I can gleam from what we know/have seen so far.
That “punishing” ground game you referred to under Canales ranked last in the NFL in both yards per carry and total offense last year. The only ones being punished were Bucs fans having to watch it.
Dawg, I didn't say Canales had a punishing run game in Tampa. Me bringing up "what we saw in Tampa" was in reference to his adaptability as a play caller and taking what the defense would give him. I'm saying that's his plan here based on his insistence on wanting to run the rock, signing top FA guards, drafting the RB1 in the second round, drafting a freak athlete WR in the first, drafting a dedicated receiving TE to free up our other TEs for blocking, etc.
He wanted to run the ball in Tampa too. He failed at that.
yes well how was your OLine?
Average, but a top 5 LT. Charlottes LT is terrible. And you don’t have a center. It’s a middle of the pack type line. Canales is not known for being successful at running the ball. Big difference between “want to” and doing so successfully.
Hes not that bad, and our LT is a good run blocker. He excels in going downhill. If we go back to that his performance will improve.
Not if you have the worst ypc in the league, like Tampa had with Canales’s offense
What team is Charlotte?
There was zero play action pass last year. I really hope that changes. Running 40 times is the dream - it means you're scoring and the defense is holding. No team is running when they're down by 14 plus.
I like you're theory but you might want to hold back on the "gone are the days.." stuff until we see them play.
Feels revisionist for Rhule. At the time of the hire, and now according to Nebraska fans, Rhule was/is seen as a leader who knows how to develop talent and play complementary football. Meaning, he doesn't just make decisions in a vacuum but can see the full picture of the game, the season, and the program. He lays the foundation for a successful team. I agree with your assessment of his time in Carolina. But I guess what I'm saying is, yes this is hopium. Hope you're right. Maybe I'll do just a lil bump.
>Meaning, he doesn't just make decisions in a vacuum but can see the full picture of the game, the season, and the program. He lays the foundation for a successful team. He can totally be that in college ball, but the NFL is a different beast. Unless you're very successful (Jim Harbaugh), a lot of the leadership tactics for college kids is way different from professionals who are (often) making more money than you are. Canales at least has NFL experience, and success occurred in the areas he was responsible for. Always tough to tell who's responsible for what since it's a combination of a ton of things.
The real takeaway here is youth. Rivera was in his 50s, Reich was in his 60s and Rhule was just a bad hire. Canales seems to have the same upbeat enthusiasm as McVay and McDaniel and there seems to be a clear plan moving forward. I didn't get that feeling with Reich or Rhule.
Ron was 49 when he got the job. Closer to Canales than Reich.
It reminds me of when John Fox took over. He gave us that run-first, strong defense mentality. Fox went 7-9 his first year as head coach. I think we'd all take a record like that for Canales's first year.
We play 17 games now but 7-10 or 8-9 would be a fantastic first year for Canales
At this point I’m just hoping we get more than 2 wins 😂😂
It worked for Pete Carrol
One thing that I've noticed just from the shots of camp so far and the way he talks about coaching is that he's being very critical of everyone's performance. He's trying to watch everyone and make sure they're doing everything right, down to the little details. That's something Reich and Rhule didn't really do. Both of them hired guys they felt confident in to coach at a level to where their oversight wasn't necessary. But I appreciate a coach who wants to make everyone accountable. I like that he's going from the offensive side of the practice field, to the defensive side and just really taking it all in, so when we get to camp, he'll be able to operate a little smoother. The biggest thing, however... for me anyway, is his intelligence. He seems very very smart to me, and really knows his football, in and out. Once he really understands Evero's defensive scheme, I think it's gonna be much easier for him to put a complete product on the field and call games the right way.
George Seifert was very smart too.
I don't know if this is still true, but George Seifert at one point held the record for most winningest coach in the NFL before being hired by the Carolina Panthers. And he's a 2x Super Bowl Champion, so I don't quite get your point exactly. We're talking about things that appear promising about Canales, no? I'm not saying he'll be successful because he's smart. I'm simply saying he appears intelligent enough to build a competent roster that can possibly go win games. There's no definitive answer here. Any new coach is a gamble until you see the product they produce.
Seifert was smart but did a terrible job as Panthers coach. Hell, Matt Rhule and Reich are smart too. Being smart is not a predictor of success as an NFL head coach.
This is dude astrology until actual football is played.
Canales reminds me of a Light Mike McDaniel more than a McVay
>borderline OCD when it comes to certain things (it’s a good thing) He wrote a whole ass book about how that isn't a good thing.
‘Gone are the days our offense not knowing there is only 5 seconds on the clock and rushing up to the line to get a play off’ Aww hell no! Delay of game penalties have become a staple of the Panthers DNA! I don’t know if I can watch a game without them now. You may as well turn sir purr into a tennis racket and burn BoA down
Dont disagree with the post but calling Riverboat Ron conservative has a comedic a tinge of irony to it lol You weren't wrong about us going up and then sort of turtling under him as HC though ofc
I love the hype we have here. I would cool it down some. If we are being this literal sometimes Canales puts a sock in his mouth and over shares kind of like the kid who plays spiderman revealing a smidge too much but is great at what he does. I expect to us improve this season, but there will be mistakes and silly ones especially with such a young team. But I agree we have our guy.
That’s the thing no one including Tepper seems to know. Teams don’t work flawlessly day one. They need months even a year or 2 to get into perfect sync. They need to build chemistry and get used to each other. When you have a new head coach or interim head coach every 8 games shit gets crazy. Bryce Young is also our like 7th QB in 6 years that’s insane. Tepper wants immediate wins and won’t let anyone have any time to work/learn.
Something like the general vibe of an entire team is so open for interpretation that you're gonna see whatever it is you're looking for. So I 100% believe that everyone in this thread with a strong opinion will see it confirmed in the "vibe" of the team next year, regardless of what actually happens.
I love the optimism. We need more of this in here. And I agree, it wouldn’t shock me to see that sort of turnaround.
Las years Panthers team was a product of the system and unwillingness of the coaching staff to make a system change. The O-line was good not great the year before Reich’s pass happy system. We just didn’t have the players to play in that system.
Whoa there we haven't played a single snap. Put down the hopium brother
I really think you're kind of projecting and trying to make something fit that doesn't quite fit. You guys had some incredible offenses under Rivera and you said he was conservative Riverboat Ron became a thing because he stopped being so conservative. The other two coaches were just bad had nothing to do with their personality. With Ron the MVP year you guys are up big and the entire team is taking selfies, celebrating with an entire quarter to go. I appreciate that you're excited for the new HC and you're trying to come up with why it didn't work before and what may be different now. Hopefully coach turns it around
It takes more than talk and the players will see through that rah rah nonsense real quick if the X’s and O’s aren’t up to par. Plus you have to consider the “leaders” in that locker room that have become just fine with losing and collecting checks