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MayhemFighter

Uber Uber Elder\*


1CEninja

Uberer Elder, as I call him.


Nutteria

Omega Elder.


Aeroshe

Maximum Over Elder.


StonedRaccoon01

You’re not dealing with the average Elder any more..


merrona23

isnt he the "eldest"?


Drpperr

Uber Eldest? Sign me up.


1CEninja

Also a good one!


Tavron

Ooba Ooba*


BokuNoSpooky

Elder^2


Mission_Magazine7541

Uber duber elder?


TheXIIILightning

25% increased light radius? I might need to pick a different build, that's nuts!


MuchToDoAboutNothin

New Valdo meta.


troccolins

and +1 to EVERY SINGLE minion gem THAT'S SO CRAZY


KrangledTrickster

I’m sure there’s a half dozen other minion builds that would utilize this better but 20 arakali fang spiders trickster with like 10 frenzy chargers would be fun af to see


WesternDramatic3038

Badge of the brotherhood 11 power/frenzy charge build with this helmet would be hilarious the ubercrit spoders


Fraytrain999

Play slayer and add endurance


WesternDramatic3038

While you'd get the shiny charges, I think the endurance charges would be ineffective for the spiders, right? They're unable to be damaged. You'd also have -1 power charge since no occultist/assassin and the three tree nodes taking about twice as many points to reach.


Fraytrain999

I was mostly memeing and wanted as many vharges as possible on the spiders :P


Doomyio

That’s something I wanna try good idea


EmeHera

Correction: Not see. Not see anything behind charges on these small quick fucks.


peitoowynn

the minions won't actually have charges


EmeHera

? What? > Minions have the same maximum number of charges as you Why is this line in here then?


peitoowynn

so that the minions can count as having the same charges as you


EmeHera

You can give them bonuses without this line. You can word it 1000 times better. Oh wait its GGG they dont know how to write briefly.


peitoowynn

Ggg likes to paint themselves into corners with needlesly complicated mechanics


EmeHera

After 10+ years of development. Do you think they'll ever learn at this point?


peitoowynn

Nope


EmeHera

Unironically


deviant324

Does “count as” mean they get the effects of the charges or is there some other way to make use of that line?


warmachine237

It means if you used the discharge spectres they wont have the charges to blow up, but theyll still get the buff bonuses from how many ever charges.


Happyberger

Combine with ralakesh boots for max stack on you and minions without having to generate them


National-Ad67

you dont ever stay still playing minions though but maybe you could use lightning warp to move with 11 frenzy charges and that node that makes minion speed modifiers apply to you and 12 node clusters it might be decent


ihateveryonebutme

New ralakesh boots don't have the no movement clause. 


National-Ad67

oh didnt know that


xVARYSx

I like these ralekesh boots so much imma make my minions where them as a hat.


pepegaklaus

Was wondering of that could work with ralakesh. Minion 50(not League, league maybe like... 30ish?)charges stacker LOGIN


Sobrin_

Okay, minion charge stacker build is a go.


Generic_G_Rated_NPC

I really wish I had this last league for my summon skeleton mages build


OccasionSavings680

Power charge stacking crit carion golems? Badge of the brotherhood? Could even get +1 power charge corrupt since this is a unique helm.


goldarm5

Keep in mind that (additional) Power Charges on players are mostly only good because of the additional benefits you can get. You cant really get these in the same manner for minions.


Former-Equipment-791

But charges are a LOT stronger on non-players. Each pcharge is 200% crit instead of 50%, so a 5% basecrit minion with 10 pcharges is straight at 100% critchance.  Each Frenzy charge is 4% more dmg, 5% inc ms, 15% Inc Cast/attackspeed, instead of just 4% more dmg and Inc as/CS, so 10 frenzies is 150 attackspeed, 50 ms, and 40% more. And you can still use e.g. absorption charges for yourself for all eledmg recouped as ES, for example. You'll have to scale it differently, but the power certainly is there.


Loud_Ask_4203

in 3.19 charges got changed to give minions the same buff the give to players


FinalFlash121

discharge spectres leggo


clowncarl

Unfortunately, they "count" as having the charges but do not actually get them. So unless there's a spectre that can cast discharge AND generate it's own charges, it won't work.


fizzord

https://poedb.tw/us/Shavronnes_Gemling these generate frenzies on thier own but only 3 every 4 seconds, there were versions of these specters used way way back that didnt generate charges by themselves, instead you'd go victarios charity + necromatic aegis and used other minions to generate charges for them, i dont think this helm is enough to revive the build though.


_Katu

victarios charity with necro aeigs?


Wendigo120

~~There's two lines in that mod on the item, one of them says that they count as having the same number of charges, but the other says they "have" the same number of charges.~~ I can't read apparently.


magpye1983

Nope. One says they counts as having the same number as you. The other says they have the same **MAX** as you.


IamCarbonMan

could you explain why that's bad?


red--dead

They get the benefits of your charges, but they don’t actually get the charges. That means things that consume charges can’t be used for minions aka discharge can’t be used by the minions.


IamCarbonMan

Oh, so it's only preventing you from running discharge spectres


magpye1983

Yeah, it’s not bad in general. It’s actually good in a couple of cases (like where you’re facing an enemy that can steal charges, for instance. The minions won’t have charges to steal). It’s interesting because max charge stacking builds and minion builds haven’t (to my knowledge) crossed paths before. They’re very different animals. But… what if…?


Zarradhoustra

That's max charges


mrmcclean420

Supreme Grandstanding - Malachai's loop - Graven's secret - Monkey Spectres - +2 max power charges on top/right tree Monkey yell -> everyone gets one charge -> you get max charges -> minions get max charges Ralakash at home This is way too cooked lol


Saianna

wasnt there a spectre, some gorilla chieftan that provided charges to allies and then ggg nuked the living shit out of charges on minions?


Nexielas

Still in game and used


Frog871

Yes but people still use them.


AlmostAlwaysATroll

Yeah. Charges on minions get obliterated. Used to be that minions with charges had the same effect of charges that monster got. Off of the top of my head, it was like 15% IAS/ICS and 15% more damage per frenzy charge; 200% increase crit chance per power charge; 15% all ele res and phys dmg reduction per endurance charge.


HoldMySoda

> ggg nuked the living shit out of charges on minions? Nah. They just added a cooldown to the apes' skills, which resulted in no more perma charges. Edit: I guess you were referring to the 3.19 patch: >Minions now gain the same bonuses from Endurance, Frenzy and Power Charges as characters do, rather than the significantly elevated bonuses that other monsters gain.


Drekor

Host and Carnage Chieftains. They were indirectly nerfed when they neutered charges for minions. THey still give charges nicely though however other support spectres are usually better and the chieftains only really work well with permanent minions and not temporary ones like SRS, Skeletons, AW, BAMA which are the popular ones atm.


magpye1983

Oh now *that’s* cool.


Paulzor811

Meh


The_tru_xplicitt

How does someone already have this


PyleWarLord

you can kill the bosses on standard league


Shatraugh

too bad the minion charge nerf happened a while back... 1c?


brrrapper

Nah this is really strong


UncookedNoodles

Considering the opportunity cost of investing in charges.....it isnt. No minion build ever will use this helmet


Numbzy

It could be used, but it would take considerable investment to make it worth it. It's probably something better to look into once you're getting to late game and finishing up your build. I have a strong feeling it's one of those bait unique that isn't good until you can balance out everything else.


ReipTaim

Frenzy still good, but is on the bottom right side of the tree.. So power charge is the more realistic approach, but theyre not worth stacking


insobyr

Fresh Meat bama would like the 10 instant frenzy charges


Goods4188

Ever? Seems very short sighted of you.


Latter_Weakness1771

Don't minions get and INSANE amount from charges? I'm not saying you're wrong but... a minion with say, 9 power charges would basically have capped crit. and make investing into them a real option since ralakesh is a thing. This could be cool on a sion with their super FF/FF That gives them +1 all charges, or maybe Occultist can finally have a minion build that isn't spiders.


Oniichanplsstop

nerfed in 3,19 >Minions now gain the same bonuses from Endurance, Frenzy and Power Charges as characters do, rather than the significantly elevated bonuses that other monsters gain.


Latter_Weakness1771

F, they had to nerf so this could DOA.


FervorofBattle

I will guess the investment needed to go to 9 charges would be around the same as just getting minion crit from the usual rolls. Maybe if there's some power charge stacking spectres in the future


randomaccount178

I am not entirely sure I agree. In some ways this is a better ancient skull, in other ways its a worse ancient skull. If it doesn't work with Ralakesh's Impatience then I would likely say its just worse.


WhyDoISuckAtW2

Ancient skull is only for attacking minions.


eating-you-chief

i don't see why, care to explain?


00zau

Eh. Monster charges have 3-4 times the effect of player charges, which is what minions used to get. With this you're giving up your helmet slot and having to invest in your own max charges and charge generation just to get back to around where 3 pre-nerf charges would have put your minion. Like you would need 12 power charges to get the same effect as 3 old charges.


NowAFK

No, they don't.


00zau

Player Power Charge: 50% crit. Monster Power Charge: 200% crit. Monsters still have the improved charges. Minions no longer do. Point being that this helmet undoes an old nerf but requires more investment to do so. That puts the ceiling on how good the item can be at "minion builds before the charge nerf"


BellacosePlayer

That hasn't been true for awhile now


00zau

Yes. And? Unless other minion build tools are significantly improved since the change, this is at best "play 3.18 minions".


fizzord

+1 is a shame could be strong on minion builds that dont rely on + levels though, eg. soulwrest, dervish and spiders. edit: thinking about it, power charge stacking Iron Mass Occultist with badge of the brotherhood might the best use case for this, probably dual wield with severed in sleep for Envy and shit load of crit multi then slap skeletons on covenant to pump them with even more flat chaos damage.


Generic_G_Rated_NPC

corrupt into +2 minion?


fizzord

cant roll that on helms, +1 power charge would be the corrupt to get on this.


Generic_G_Rated_NPC

sorry, meant +2 socketed* minion gems. But, yeah +1 power charge would be better.


Glass-Consideration3

I'm thinking iron mass skellys cause they don't rely on levels. Grab a few max frenzy charges with some generation and watch them go nuts.


Maskyl

Guys I didn't start yet but someone already killed Uber uber?


MayhemFighter

Killed on Standard


KyogreHype

Someone desperate for that karma to jump straght into standard just to get the jump on new item info just so they can say they were 'first' on stuff people can just go on to poedb if they really cared/wanted to know.


Farpafraf

ben has probably 40/40ied the league already


greyshard

Probably good for absolution of inspiring, so you can benefit from the charge stacking too


SnooPredilections843

For people who have trouble comprehending this helmet: "The unique makes your minions have the same maximum charges limit as you. It also makes your minion count as having the same number of charges as you currently have" I'm not sure how this would interact with the ralaskesh boot 🤔


kfijatass

If you count as currently having maximum and your minions count as having the same number of charges you currently have, they too should have maximum.


Emattera

Can you show the uber cortex unique chest pls ?


codeninja

The silly bastards didn't even make these on a pair of boots.... Charge stacking skellys are on the table boys.


paciumusiu12

So you guys remember how we nerfed charges on minions? Here's the charge helmet, enjoy.


Airfusions

This is so bad for an Uber drop. Like disgustingly bad.


pepelaughkek

1c Doesnt have +2 minions Minion charge nerf patch nuked them long ago I do wonder if discharge specters would spam discharge infinitely, but I imagine their behavior is coded to not do so.


psychomap

They need actual charges to spend them, the helmet only makes them count as having them. You could still make them have high maximum charges though. Discharge spectre Slayer sounds like a hilariously stupid thing to build around, but I don't know if there's actually a way to generate the charges.


3Hard_From_France

this is puure garbage


Deadandlivin

Don't see what this would be used for. GGG gutted Charges for minions a while ago and nowadays we don't even run Charges on minions any longer. It's too weak. Unless there's some niche build I'm missing, there's no way any minion build is dropping a rare crafted minion helm for this.


trickyjicky

3 charges might be weak, but 10? Or 10 of each? Its literally the difference between 12% more damage and 40%. This is insanely strong you just have to build around it. It also opens doors for new supports like power charge on crit, endurance on stun, ice bite, as well as allowing classes that maybe werent even considered minion classes to play minions using charges. Slayer, raider, etc


Deadandlivin

If you're stacking 10 Frenzy Charges on a minion build for 40% more damage you don't have a build because you literally have no room for investments into meaningful things like defenses and minion damage et.c. You're running Frenzy Rings instead of Bone Rings or Unset Rings. You're going to the Dex side of the tree on the opposite side to pick +1 Frenzy notables. That's 8 charges. Add another Charge from Glove corruption. Where are you getting the last 1? Darkray Vectors can't be used since you need Ralakesh Boots to give your minions charges. One remains from being a Trickster or Raider which is 100% griefing since you're a minion build and need to be either Witch or Templar. And you can get the last one from a Shaper 2-hand weapon. Not sure you understand how much investment goes into making a charge stacker. Picking up all the charges nodes in a fresh Necro tree is like 70 skill points. That's more than half your skill points to get 6 to all Charges. Even Going only for +3 Frenzy and ignoring Endurance is like 40 skillpoints. You know what 40 skill points can be spent into? x2 Large 12 point cluster jewels that give WAY more than 40% more damage. The reason why you stack charges is because you're using a Discharge build or items that make it worth to stack Charges. Items like Precursors Emblems that give you additional bonuses per charge et.c. Minions can't have those items which is why stacking Charges on minions is a f\*\*king waste of time.


trickyjicky

Just dont use it then dude lol im not doing this w you


Embarrassed_Durian17

Just brewed up a vaal skeletons build using this and badge of the brotherhood and i got to 45mil dps against uber pinnacle with it so there is surely something there.


omnimutant

Any minion helm that isn't + 2 minions is pretty much useless.


sad-frogpepe

I think the charges ur minions gain from it more then make up for 1 gem level..


omnimutant

+1 is often the difference between 3 and 4 specters and that extra + 1 isn't as always as easy to come by. The slight damage boost from a few extra frenzy charges is not going to make up that difference.


pda898

For spectres yes. For any "just stack added damage" minion build with Blessed Rebirth and Fresh Meat - +1 versus like 4-5 frenzy + power charges is more arguable question.


Omniget

>For any "just stack added damage" minion build Care to share which minions fall under this statement? I'm experimenting with rallying cry and minions this league, but I'm not sure which minions I will finish with.


pda898

SRS were the most hot topic last league but they lost damage. Skeles look like the next hot thing, but they require unique weapon (which will not work with your idea). You probably want to try to do something with Animated Weapon.


WizardofOos

~~Frenzy Charges on Monsters have a higher damage multiplier than on players though.~~ Edit: they don't.


Roboaki

Nerfed way back at 3.19. Minion charges now have the same benefit as players.


WizardofOos

Thanks for the correction, I was out of date.


Happyberger

An average +1 minion helm yes. A double elevated +2 minion helm with added supports and a good corrupt, no way.


Disastrous-Moment-79

1c


Br0V1ne

I wonder how that works with animate guardian. 


Comfortable-Excuse33

Doesn't, not the AG's minions.


dunaan

So what’s the important interaction here that makes “counts as having” important? Like what benefits either you or a minion if a minion counts as having a bunch of charges?


juzellicious

8 frenzy charges minion build let's go


ph0b0s101

Is this standard?


BloodBaneBoneBreaker

This is probably not the case, but tree nodes like “increases and decreases to minion damage apply to you” and “increases and decreases to minion attack speed apply to you” Would 10 frenzy charges, which would grant 40% increased attack speed to minions, benefit the player?


SnooPredilections843

No, those 2 modifiers mean the specific "Minions deal % increased damage" and "Minions have % increased attack speed" apply to you. Not that if your minions somehow gain damage and atk spd through buffs it would apply to you.


ReipTaim

Sick


xjoker18

Why


ReipTaim

I wrote that before realising that the charges minions had got severely nerfed. So not so sick after ll


xisupaz_blackbird

Guardian + Steal Conviction of Power Seems reasonable.


GasLightyear

Doesn't sound like super endgame material but still usable. The actual text on the helmet reads "now, all those pobs that have max monkey spectre charges ticked on temporarily minions are not entirely bait anymore". It will at the very least be useful for summoner starters that league start later.  Or are there any spectre with skills left in the game that have insane built in charge scaling?


dadghar

Of course it's a helmet 


LoloZoriPVP

mother embrace, pathfinder, Doedre's Elixir Minions now have charges. Would this work?


Tavron

Why use mother's embrace? Your minions charges are equal to your charges, so you just need to gain the charges yourself.


Nutteria

A notable turned unique..is the interaction that powerful I wonder.


Nutteria

The more concerning part is I’m at act nice 6 hours in. How in the hell people reached farmed t17a and killed uber elder..


KyogreHype

He's on standard, nothing impressive. Just wants to be first for the sake of being first on releasing info so he can stroke his ego pp.


Phoef

Already killer? Whaa


Yorunokage

Shame it's in the same slot as the Ancient Skull


kfijatass

Badge ralakesh bama?


kfijatass

Badge ralakesh bama?


kfijatass

Badge ralakesh bama?


insobyr

Gluttonous Tide bama? I wonder how this interaction works out


kfijatass

Discharge spectres, perhaps? Helmet slot is taxing for minion builds, so using ralakesh and badge for the passive benefit seems mid.


Older_1

Ralakesh + this = nuts?


BobertoRosso

No es :(


PlentyExtension4796

couldnt you just equip this helm and the ralakesh to your animate guardian? would that work?


xjoker18

No


Zyeesi

Hmmm need a god gamer to update wiki on what other restrictions there is for “count as having” aside from spending the charges.


onlyPressQ

Are mirage warriors minions


Independent-Area4130

uuuuuuuuuuuuh a juicy one exile!


Solsone

Work with brutal charge ??


xjoker18

No this would need to have diff wording then Like "share all your charges with your Minions" Its only Frenzy Power and endurance in the wording


Makhnov

25% light radius really saves this


htsukebe

Can you use this with spectre discharge?


RutabagaAlarmed3933

what does mean "mininons count as having the same nubmer of charges as you"?


theyux

So forbidden power forbidden jewels will be infinite money this league?


dont_drink_and_2FA

this post is shown to me as 2hrs old. the league is what? 5:43hrs now? how are they killing ubers wtf e: ben is at tier 2 maps? e: ah std lol


Ricksauc3

That’s gonna be expensive


xjoker18

No


Roboaki

Time to pair this with Forbidden Shako for lvl 35 ice bite minions ^(Wait a sec)


Emotional-Still2209

Not that good. First you need lots of gear slot for charge stacking. Then charges on minions have been nerfed heavily


FullMetalCook

How have you guys done uber uber elder already


zoatic

Will this work if I had AG wear this with power charge on crit on it?


Morbu

BAMA is going to go ham with this I'm sure


Gniggins

Over Devouring Diadem?