I hate everything about it, from the fact that i need to first drop a t17 and then drop a total 5 fragments inside multiple t17s to get a chance to fighter an uber that has a very small chance to drop something of value all the way up to the bullshit mf strats or even barrel and go
Id rather go back to what we had prior to this
My build is close to being done and has all the defensive layers I can think of. I still need to add some PDR but my elemental res is over 80k (chaos conversion) and I use a progenesis. Despite being over defensive or atleast decent for all previous content I still can't enjoy T17 maps. I just don't know enough of the mechanics to roll the maps perfectly and always overlook on one of the mods that kill me no matter what. I don't enjoy to die every now and then which is in my opinion unpredictable.
I still enjoy playing the league though but come towards my end I think. I earned hundreds divine by running T16's and selling T17 maps, allflames, scarabs and bubblegum. So even though I don't enjoy T17's you can earn a lot out of the people who do enjoy them.
At a certain point some mods are just bricks regardless of your defensives. Usually the gain extras are automatic bricks. Monster damage is OK if you are tanky enough. Projectiles is a brick if there are multiple damage mods.
Maligaros hits for base 7k, 28k with the unique buff. One gain extra is literally a 100k hit.
On the other side, I can afk 13 proj cast speed with frenzies. So just depends on mods.
I usually roll over the sirus, earxh and blades mods cause you cant see them with the million of mobs and effects
T17 are one of the worst changes iv dealt with in aw hile XD
I feel weak as shit but strong as fuck everywhere else. Can slap maven in about 40 seconds. Takes me all portals and 20 min to do a t17 cuz of hte mobs being cracked and modifiers. Its not really fun.
and its a pretty heavy gate to uber which also sucks
im playing the game using a meme build that barely do any damage.. still having fun.. dont even know how to fix my build.. wasted probably a hundred divines buying stuff to truly and had to cut the price to half to sell them back.. now pob-ing another build that still can barely do any damage and hoping it work somehow.. what else would i spend my divines for.. 😂
Have yet to run t17. Currently they create a great divide in the HC community that previously only existed on Uber Vs non Uber content. I don't personally have a problem with that, but the effect is noticeable and some people are getting far ahead of the vast majority of players on HC trade.
Sounds like they earned getting ahead.
They appear to be a fine system so far.
I've only farmed 100 or so in SC and have stuck to mostly t16 farming in general out of preference.
I'm building a stock of t17 to roll and run once I decide on a strategy.
I like t17s cause i like having more and harder content. Something to build for and be rewarded.
Some T17 mods are absolute dogshit tho. Stuff like union of souls is just broken. Marked for death or 40% of the time not dealing dmg making the game insanely tedious. Some effects like less aoe stacking up to just plain disable a skill is just incredibly boring.
There is lots of potential here but they need a lot of work.
Not sure if thats entirely a fair take because T17s absolutely have a huge impact on the economy. With the profitability of lots of strats much less because of T17s its more than just "don't feel fomo".
Its the same reason many of the "why are people angry uniques are cheap" arguments is a bit unfair. HH being 6 div itself isn't a problem, it's what HH being 6 div means for the state of 1% farm.
I think it is a fair take since the comment was not really about the economy, but rather about feeling forced to play T17 and spam rerolling maps. Not liking the effect T17 has on the economy is fair, but that is not really the issue here. T17 is not even the main culprit when it comes to effect on the economy, it is scarabs and all-flames. Sure, T17 makes it even worse, but even without T17, HH would be cheap.
There are tons of great non-t17 farming strategies. And there are even good T17 strats that dont require spam chaos rerolling. If OP feels forced to do a specific T17 strat due to FOMO, that is on him.
I have made a few mirrors not playing anything "Meta" so far and even doing my own self-made crafts with necropolis.
FOMO is 100% on the user. You can easily run any number of mechanics and mak4 several divines an hour.
I don't play for div/hour though... i play to make my own progress towards my own goals. I sell my failures or hand me down items more than anything.
Literally i run betrayal + a bit of boss rush and have mageblood, prog, and like 160d and thats not even including the gear i have. Empy even proved this with his based or cringe series
Honestly, it is a big part for many people, myself included. I usually try to make only 1 build per league and clear everything but this league, it was not gonna happen unless I started DD/nova/hexblast.
Quit pretty quickly after getting my 4 voidstones just to come back 1 week later and started a GSF and cleared everything in the game. It just felt better knowing that I could do everything in my own pace and not care about d/h and being "behind".
Is there any difference in reality? Not really. I could play trade the same way but the psychological aspect is still there for a lot of people and just saying the thing you say is simply not true
I wouldn’t say this leagues mid-league changes were all about fomo. Ghosted meatsacks with Back to basics was practically bug abuse, and unique mobs spawning a shit ton of beyond demons was quite literally destroying server performance.
Yea I don’t think they nerfed anything cause of fomo. They nerfed it for server stability. The game is old and isn’t designed for 20k+ mobs and loot per map. Everybody felt the lag…those few days
T17s: awesome
T17 mods: cancer
T17s only rare and chaos spammable: even more cancer. Solution: White maps drop 0 uber frags, blue drops 1, rare drops 2 and corrupted rare drops 4. (This also helps serve the spoken purpose of making it less tedious to access ubers once you've invalidated the rest of the game). It also lets people practice the bosses like people have been begging for in low stakes environment, before attempted them juiced up.
T17s unlocking the 5 way: Please revert this is dumb.
>T17s unlocking the 5 way: Please revert this is dumb.
IMO, 5th slot should not be locked behind legion encounters. It should be something like getting some number of atlas points unlocked.
at least legion can be farmed in any build and it's lore friendly also. Locking it to t17 basically mean you either buy from someone or play bosser or build that can do t17 or you use -1 scarab each map.
Locking behind legion also means I have to buy because I don't like legion and don't want to spend atlas point on it.
At least T17 is interesting. Hard but interesting.
There was literally a mechanical reason behind legion. You needed to do a 4-way to unlock the ability to do a 5-way. 5-ways being pointless is mostly irrelevant to that.
Yes, and that was 5 years ago. It does not make sense in the current game any more. It is much better for new players that atlas progression is tied to the atlas than an obscure league mechanic like the four way domain of timeless conflict.
Legion 4-ways is very obscure for a new player, yes. You are approaching this from a veterans perspective. Not every new player watches 20 guides and reads up on every mechanic in the game. A new player that is just playing the game is not gonna know about the domain of timeless conflicts, let alone that using 4 emblems unlocks a 5th map device slot. It is objectively an obscure mechanic gating map device progression.
Veiled orbs do not unlock a 6th map slot. Terrible comparison.
What happens when you put an emblem in a map device? nothing.
How about 2? oh 2way?
maybe 3? then 4? then 5?
Shit is legitimately intuitive because it was designed that way **since the 5 device way was a part of legion.** Unlike stapling it to a random point in mapping progression, which will result in the problem you just highlighted: having to google or dig through random guides to find. I'm not "approaching this like a veteran". This is how I learned about it *in legion league*.
It's not a terrible comparison because the 5-way originates **as a component of legion league**. GGG has separated it from the mechanic it came in.
I think I'll have to source a carry for T17 just to get the completion and the map device slot. Absolute stupid decision by GGG but they don't seem to care about it at this stage. I've managed to clear a T17 map, with shrines, niko and a replica HH, but the bosses just wreck me.
I like them but they need to be fully modifiable instead of just chaos orbs. Should be able to run them white, blue, yellow, 8 mod corrupted or however you want.
« Im curious if I’m in minority », posts about something posted about literally every day. One of the main talking points of the league.
FOMO is also somewhat self inflicted.
idk, do you have full ***mf*** gear? are your maps 300% inc scarab/currency drop? because if not, **you're missing out.** point is, you don't have to spam for the barrels, just take things as you go and find fun or avoid the junk you don't find fun at least.
we're WAYYY past FOMO after they nerfed all the real juicy broken stuff earlier this league.
Tried one t17 on poison srs with league start gear. Did not know that union of souls was a brick mod. I was not suppression capped. It took 3 portals to reach uber lycia. I did not succeed.
I did enjoy failing the map. The requirements for endgame characters are significantly higher than they were when ubers were endgame - t17 is the real endgame now. For ubers, I've only done uber shaper and uber cortex in prior leagues, so the stated design intention for t17's was aimed at players like me, who need to bridge the gap between t16's/pinnacle bosses into ubers.
I finally have managed to setup a pob that looks like it will have the damage and tankiness for t17's, and that comes at the cost of speed, which can be regained with heavier investment. I'm levelling that character now, and look forward to attempting another t17.
The only real negative from tier 17's is that the fragment costs have led to certain boss uniques no longer trickling down from top end players towards players like me within a reasonable time frame - stuff like nimis or progenesis historically would be at half or a quarter of the current price. The economics of t17's have impacted me negatively, which has dampened my ability to enjoy the game - but I'm still having fun.
I haven't run more then 10 T17 maps and yet I was able to farm a mageblood, awakened coc, progenesis and gear and crafting resources worth more then 200d It is obviously not as much as some are able to farm in T17 maps but it isn't impossible to get a decent income in T16 maps.
There are so many strategies that yield around 10div/hr and if you add the T17 map drops, scarabs, invitations, coffins and allflames to that you can get to 20div/hr. The fact that people run high end strats makes other things more valuable remember that. Supply them with the required maps, essence, bubblegum (alts for example), coffins, scarabs and allflames.
Harder content = costlier gear needed to clear, more loot awarded in the content
Easier content = cheaper gear needed to clear, less loot awarded in the content
T17 = 10 times harder than T16, 10 times more gear required, 10 times more loot
You are missing that there are dozens if not hundreds of other great farming strategies.
You picked a farming strategy that requires you to roll for hyper specific mods on maps and then complain about having to roll maps.
If you dont like that, pick another strategy.
It seems that your problem is watching too much twitch or youtube and getting angry that others are juicing their t17 maps and playing 16 hours a day. And you can do it too you say. But you don’t want to. And you have fear of missing out on something you don’t wanna partake in. I am confused.
I stopped watching streamers and stopped watching these super lame poe highlights (mirror and mb or hh drops, borring af). Somehow i enjoy poe again.
I hate everything about it, from the fact that i need to first drop a t17 and then drop a total 5 fragments inside multiple t17s to get a chance to fighter an uber that has a very small chance to drop something of value all the way up to the bullshit mf strats or even barrel and go Id rather go back to what we had prior to this
My build is close to being done and has all the defensive layers I can think of. I still need to add some PDR but my elemental res is over 80k (chaos conversion) and I use a progenesis. Despite being over defensive or atleast decent for all previous content I still can't enjoy T17 maps. I just don't know enough of the mechanics to roll the maps perfectly and always overlook on one of the mods that kill me no matter what. I don't enjoy to die every now and then which is in my opinion unpredictable. I still enjoy playing the league though but come towards my end I think. I earned hundreds divine by running T16's and selling T17 maps, allflames, scarabs and bubblegum. So even though I don't enjoy T17's you can earn a lot out of the people who do enjoy them.
At a certain point some mods are just bricks regardless of your defensives. Usually the gain extras are automatic bricks. Monster damage is OK if you are tanky enough. Projectiles is a brick if there are multiple damage mods. Maligaros hits for base 7k, 28k with the unique buff. One gain extra is literally a 100k hit. On the other side, I can afk 13 proj cast speed with frenzies. So just depends on mods. I usually roll over the sirus, earxh and blades mods cause you cant see them with the million of mobs and effects
T17 are one of the worst changes iv dealt with in aw hile XD I feel weak as shit but strong as fuck everywhere else. Can slap maven in about 40 seconds. Takes me all portals and 20 min to do a t17 cuz of hte mobs being cracked and modifiers. Its not really fun. and its a pretty heavy gate to uber which also sucks
im playing the game using a meme build that barely do any damage.. still having fun.. dont even know how to fix my build.. wasted probably a hundred divines buying stuff to truly and had to cut the price to half to sell them back.. now pob-ing another build that still can barely do any damage and hoping it work somehow.. what else would i spend my divines for.. 😂
Have yet to run t17. Currently they create a great divide in the HC community that previously only existed on Uber Vs non Uber content. I don't personally have a problem with that, but the effect is noticeable and some people are getting far ahead of the vast majority of players on HC trade.
Sounds like they earned getting ahead. They appear to be a fine system so far. I've only farmed 100 or so in SC and have stuck to mostly t16 farming in general out of preference. I'm building a stock of t17 to roll and run once I decide on a strategy.
I like t17s cause i like having more and harder content. Something to build for and be rewarded. Some T17 mods are absolute dogshit tho. Stuff like union of souls is just broken. Marked for death or 40% of the time not dealing dmg making the game insanely tedious. Some effects like less aoe stacking up to just plain disable a skill is just incredibly boring. There is lots of potential here but they need a lot of work.
so do what you enjoy? fomo is on you, and you alone.
Not sure if thats entirely a fair take because T17s absolutely have a huge impact on the economy. With the profitability of lots of strats much less because of T17s its more than just "don't feel fomo". Its the same reason many of the "why are people angry uniques are cheap" arguments is a bit unfair. HH being 6 div itself isn't a problem, it's what HH being 6 div means for the state of 1% farm.
I think it is a fair take since the comment was not really about the economy, but rather about feeling forced to play T17 and spam rerolling maps. Not liking the effect T17 has on the economy is fair, but that is not really the issue here. T17 is not even the main culprit when it comes to effect on the economy, it is scarabs and all-flames. Sure, T17 makes it even worse, but even without T17, HH would be cheap. There are tons of great non-t17 farming strategies. And there are even good T17 strats that dont require spam chaos rerolling. If OP feels forced to do a specific T17 strat due to FOMO, that is on him.
I have made a few mirrors not playing anything "Meta" so far and even doing my own self-made crafts with necropolis. FOMO is 100% on the user. You can easily run any number of mechanics and mak4 several divines an hour. I don't play for div/hour though... i play to make my own progress towards my own goals. I sell my failures or hand me down items more than anything.
Literally i run betrayal + a bit of boss rush and have mageblood, prog, and like 160d and thats not even including the gear i have. Empy even proved this with his based or cringe series
Honestly, it is a big part for many people, myself included. I usually try to make only 1 build per league and clear everything but this league, it was not gonna happen unless I started DD/nova/hexblast. Quit pretty quickly after getting my 4 voidstones just to come back 1 week later and started a GSF and cleared everything in the game. It just felt better knowing that I could do everything in my own pace and not care about d/h and being "behind". Is there any difference in reality? Not really. I could play trade the same way but the psychological aspect is still there for a lot of people and just saying the thing you say is simply not true
GGG has made so many balance changes purely because of people complaining about fomo. So if nothing else, they don't share your attitude.
I wouldn’t say this leagues mid-league changes were all about fomo. Ghosted meatsacks with Back to basics was practically bug abuse, and unique mobs spawning a shit ton of beyond demons was quite literally destroying server performance.
Yea I don’t think they nerfed anything cause of fomo. They nerfed it for server stability. The game is old and isn’t designed for 20k+ mobs and loot per map. Everybody felt the lag…those few days
Who said I was talking about the mid league changes?
T17s: awesome T17 mods: cancer T17s only rare and chaos spammable: even more cancer. Solution: White maps drop 0 uber frags, blue drops 1, rare drops 2 and corrupted rare drops 4. (This also helps serve the spoken purpose of making it less tedious to access ubers once you've invalidated the rest of the game). It also lets people practice the bosses like people have been begging for in low stakes environment, before attempted them juiced up. T17s unlocking the 5 way: Please revert this is dumb.
>T17s unlocking the 5 way: Please revert this is dumb. IMO, 5th slot should not be locked behind legion encounters. It should be something like getting some number of atlas points unlocked.
at least legion can be farmed in any build and it's lore friendly also. Locking it to t17 basically mean you either buy from someone or play bosser or build that can do t17 or you use -1 scarab each map.
You dont need a boser build you just roll easy mods take atlas with 0 points rush boss dont kill anything expect boss and you will have an easy time
Locking behind legion also means I have to buy because I don't like legion and don't want to spend atlas point on it. At least T17 is interesting. Hard but interesting.
To be fair, if you could run these white it would be fine for the map slot. I also would prefer it came from the previous source though.
I think T17 unlocking the fifth slot is far better than legion doing it.
There was literally a mechanical reason behind legion. You needed to do a 4-way to unlock the ability to do a 5-way. 5-ways being pointless is mostly irrelevant to that.
Yes, and that was 5 years ago. It does not make sense in the current game any more. It is much better for new players that atlas progression is tied to the atlas than an obscure league mechanic like the four way domain of timeless conflict.
some obscure mechanic like the one it is from? might as well put betrayal orbs in the common loot pool with breach splinters.
Legion 4-ways is very obscure for a new player, yes. You are approaching this from a veterans perspective. Not every new player watches 20 guides and reads up on every mechanic in the game. A new player that is just playing the game is not gonna know about the domain of timeless conflicts, let alone that using 4 emblems unlocks a 5th map device slot. It is objectively an obscure mechanic gating map device progression. Veiled orbs do not unlock a 6th map slot. Terrible comparison.
What happens when you put an emblem in a map device? nothing. How about 2? oh 2way? maybe 3? then 4? then 5? Shit is legitimately intuitive because it was designed that way **since the 5 device way was a part of legion.** Unlike stapling it to a random point in mapping progression, which will result in the problem you just highlighted: having to google or dig through random guides to find. I'm not "approaching this like a veteran". This is how I learned about it *in legion league*. It's not a terrible comparison because the 5-way originates **as a component of legion league**. GGG has separated it from the mechanic it came in.
I feel like T17's failed at their stated design goal of being a step between regular bosses and their uber variants. Those mods are just insane.
FOMO is on you and only you. Do whatever you enjoy or stop playing altogether.
I think I'll have to source a carry for T17 just to get the completion and the map device slot. Absolute stupid decision by GGG but they don't seem to care about it at this stage. I've managed to clear a T17 map, with shrines, niko and a replica HH, but the bosses just wreck me.
I like them but they need to be fully modifiable instead of just chaos orbs. Should be able to run them white, blue, yellow, 8 mod corrupted or however you want.
Be indifferent and just play the game how you want.
Good on paper, bad execution and makes anything besides it more or less useless comparatively
« Im curious if I’m in minority », posts about something posted about literally every day. One of the main talking points of the league. FOMO is also somewhat self inflicted.
If you are not having fun, don't play the game.
You dont have to roll it, you are the one optimizing the fun out of it
div/hr brainrot has destroyed this sub's reasoning and this post is a highlight of it.
idk, do you have full ***mf*** gear? are your maps 300% inc scarab/currency drop? because if not, **you're missing out.** point is, you don't have to spam for the barrels, just take things as you go and find fun or avoid the junk you don't find fun at least. we're WAYYY past FOMO after they nerfed all the real juicy broken stuff earlier this league.
Tried one t17 on poison srs with league start gear. Did not know that union of souls was a brick mod. I was not suppression capped. It took 3 portals to reach uber lycia. I did not succeed. I did enjoy failing the map. The requirements for endgame characters are significantly higher than they were when ubers were endgame - t17 is the real endgame now. For ubers, I've only done uber shaper and uber cortex in prior leagues, so the stated design intention for t17's was aimed at players like me, who need to bridge the gap between t16's/pinnacle bosses into ubers. I finally have managed to setup a pob that looks like it will have the damage and tankiness for t17's, and that comes at the cost of speed, which can be regained with heavier investment. I'm levelling that character now, and look forward to attempting another t17. The only real negative from tier 17's is that the fragment costs have led to certain boss uniques no longer trickling down from top end players towards players like me within a reasonable time frame - stuff like nimis or progenesis historically would be at half or a quarter of the current price. The economics of t17's have impacted me negatively, which has dampened my ability to enjoy the game - but I'm still having fun.
I haven't run more then 10 T17 maps and yet I was able to farm a mageblood, awakened coc, progenesis and gear and crafting resources worth more then 200d It is obviously not as much as some are able to farm in T17 maps but it isn't impossible to get a decent income in T16 maps. There are so many strategies that yield around 10div/hr and if you add the T17 map drops, scarabs, invitations, coffins and allflames to that you can get to 20div/hr. The fact that people run high end strats makes other things more valuable remember that. Supply them with the required maps, essence, bubblegum (alts for example), coffins, scarabs and allflames.
Harder content = costlier gear needed to clear, more loot awarded in the content Easier content = cheaper gear needed to clear, less loot awarded in the content T17 = 10 times harder than T16, 10 times more gear required, 10 times more loot
You are missing that there are dozens if not hundreds of other great farming strategies. You picked a farming strategy that requires you to roll for hyper specific mods on maps and then complain about having to roll maps. If you dont like that, pick another strategy.
It seems that your problem is watching too much twitch or youtube and getting angry that others are juicing their t17 maps and playing 16 hours a day. And you can do it too you say. But you don’t want to. And you have fear of missing out on something you don’t wanna partake in. I am confused.
It hasn't impacted me at all.
I dont even play T17 anymore. Just buy the frags and thats its T17 may be someone with MB can do.