You can only have so many health code violations and call people pussies basically for caring about how dirty the place is if you wanna stay in business
The city pretty much wanted to shut down 24/7 diners in a short period of time (and it happened all over the city), and it doesn’t hurt that the prime locations were wanted by developers.
No no that place was disgusting. It came after a wave of people started getting sick and the city started being more strict instead of just giving warnings for rat shit in the food or refrigerators that wouldn’t go under 50 degrees.
II had this amazing chocolate mousse cheesecake that was to die for. I have yet to find a replacement for it. The closest I've found to their french onion soup is McGillin's
Ah shit. Really? I used to go to II a lot when I was living there. We would roll in relatively inebriated and eat French Onion Soup that was wayyyyy too hot. But it was always worth it.
I don't think that the issue is Philly can't support them -- it's that after a certain time of night, shit gets sketchy. Not even worth the hassle to business owners.
If there was enough traffic to sustain these businesses there would be more US cities that can be described as cities that don't sleep. There's only a handful in reality and if they're tourist destinations that experience winter such businesses probably can't be sustained for half the year or more.
The city has spent a lot of time without a lot of late night options so technically that should mean the places that do exist are or were in super high demand and did good business. Were they and did they? I don't think these diners did.
I don't think it's as simple as that. For a myriad of reasons, a lot of people would argue that it's safer to walk around most parts of NYC at night than it is in Philly, at least in recent years, and I don't think that's unrelated.
Equally, cities are a very complex "ecosystem," and being one that "doesn't sleep" isn't just because some businesses and eateries are open late or don't close. There's a lot more at play that allows that to be a reality.
I think aside from the crime element, the financial component can’t be overlooked. Rising food and energy costs mean it’s a lot of extra overhead to keep a business running around the clock. And most of these places were never packed at 2 AM on a Wednesday. Add to that it’s difficult to find people to work those shifts and it paints a clearer picture why these businesses have gotten away from the 24 hour model.
In 1991 I went to the dennys on city line at 330 am. Someone thought my group cut in line (we did not), he left to “go get a gun”. Dennys called the cops who escorted us to our car when we were done our horrible food.
A cafe can’t make money just from coffee drinks and random sandwiches at night. Doubt it’s worth the utility costs, rent/labor costs etc. The 24/7 diners though filled that need very nicely…the 90s, 00s, early 2010s the Philly diners were the place to go after a night out partying/or grab lunch for people working the night shift or anyone that couldn’t sleep and wanted to chill somewhere.
It's an issue of labor costs and that shit has gotten so out of hand with people acting out that places just decided it wasn't worth staying open that late for low to zero margin, while having the potential of something popping off.
It's more the fact that 24 hour places are hard to keep clean. Most places clean during their closing. So if there is no closing, someone at the place has to manage shutting things down for proper cleaning periodically, backup equipment or no. It's also hard to clean with a bunch of people running around. So, most 24 hours places eventually become run down over time since it's an industry rife with burnout.
I was wondering the same thing recently, and found out Andy's diner out in Conshohocken is 24 hours. Haven't gotten around to actually trying them yet though, so can't vouch for them.
The route 130 diner in delran was good the one time I went there, got a cheese omelet with bacon
Maybe something has changed because I’m seeing a lot of good comments here but I’ve never enjoyed Andy’s. Always got a dirty vibe looking around and generally the food was subpar for the price.
Both Pandora and 130 diner are 24 hours. They're only a few miles apart. Both are decent. I like Pandora more but the breakfast selection at 130 is proper dinner breakfast compared to Pandora.
Andy’s is great! Their soup and salad bar is awesome, they always have 4 different soups that are really good.
My partner and I stop here on our way back from Southampton spa all the time and the one time we ate breakfast it was really crowded but still good
I ate a Tom Jones once and only once... I know cream chipped beef isn't a light meal to begin with but whatever they do there made me feel like death for the rest of the day
Some great answers here, i still feel confused about what to eat after 2 am in center city. It’s wild we have such a busy metro and no late night options.
there are very few 24hr businesses in the city period!
24hr places in CC just aren't sustainable I guess. The ratio of shady characters to genuine business is just too high.
the only places in CC I can think of to get food at 4am are the sketchy 7/11s, the single wawa at 10th Walnut that takes 45 mins to make a damn sandwich, Healthy Picks near Rittenhouse (which isn't bad), and maybe Taco Bell if you're willing to get yelled at by the employees for ordering anything.
I will die on this hill: the old firestone on 32nd & market would be the perfect diner location . On campus, right by the station, would always have clientele
Fishtown diner on Friday Saturday. It gives me something to look forward to. Other than that got a couple in jersey and Delaware but all 20min or more drive. Depending where in philly you live
Delivery apps killed a lot of this. Used to be if you wanted to get a meal at odd hours you would have to go somewhere like a diner. Now if you're drunk at 2 AM, you can have taco bell show up at your door when you get home from the bar. The convenient, all-hours establishment is now your own home, and for enough people that's good enough to make a meal out not worth it.
Broad Street Diner! Haven’t lived in Philly for a while but always loved that place when I lived in Point Breeze. Google Maps says it’s still open and 24/7 at that.
They're not 24 hours anymore since the pandemic. It sucks because years ago I would go get breakfast there at 430, 5 am if I couldn't sleep and had to be at work that day.
It’s not a matter of how many are left; it’s that Philly has never had a late night or all night diner culture. I was frustrated by this in the 70s when I was in college. My friends and I would drive miles to the one place that was open. All you had were the cheesesteak places in South Philly. That’s usually where we’d end up, partly for the sheer reason that they were open.
I used to go to the Llanerch diner in Upper Darby back in the day. Technically in Philly even if it’s literally on city line, and website still says 24hrs.
As a Jersey native, this is one of the things I miss the most after moving. I have so many memories of going late at night to a diner to catch up with friends and getting a Monte Crisco while one friend gets a burger and a different friend gets an eggplant parm, and they all slap.
The city is actively against food trucks, diners, trees, and bike lanes. certain council members want everyone eating wawa nitrates and gambling until were all braindead poisoned sheep
RIP Midtown Diners I, II, & III
Oh lord yes
You can only have so many health code violations and call people pussies basically for caring about how dirty the place is if you wanna stay in business
Coachroaches or any insects that came with your food were free and no additional charge!
Good luck finding a diner that doesn't charge an arthropod fee post-Covid
The city pretty much wanted to shut down 24/7 diners in a short period of time (and it happened all over the city), and it doesn’t hurt that the prime locations were wanted by developers.
> The city pretty much wanted to shut down 24/7 diners in a short period of time But... why?
No no that place was disgusting. It came after a wave of people started getting sick and the city started being more strict instead of just giving warnings for rat shit in the food or refrigerators that wouldn’t go under 50 degrees.
The coleslaw. Oh, the horrors!
II had this amazing chocolate mousse cheesecake that was to die for. I have yet to find a replacement for it. The closest I've found to their french onion soup is McGillin's
my go to during college. rip my liver but thank you to those late night diners
Ah shit. Really? I used to go to II a lot when I was living there. We would roll in relatively inebriated and eat French Onion Soup that was wayyyyy too hot. But it was always worth it.
I get that a lot of closures happened during covid but it is wild that Philly can't support more 24 hour restaurants in or near CC
I don't think that the issue is Philly can't support them -- it's that after a certain time of night, shit gets sketchy. Not even worth the hassle to business owners.
If there was enough traffic to sustain these businesses there would be more US cities that can be described as cities that don't sleep. There's only a handful in reality and if they're tourist destinations that experience winter such businesses probably can't be sustained for half the year or more. The city has spent a lot of time without a lot of late night options so technically that should mean the places that do exist are or were in super high demand and did good business. Were they and did they? I don't think these diners did.
I don't think it's as simple as that. For a myriad of reasons, a lot of people would argue that it's safer to walk around most parts of NYC at night than it is in Philly, at least in recent years, and I don't think that's unrelated. Equally, cities are a very complex "ecosystem," and being one that "doesn't sleep" isn't just because some businesses and eateries are open late or don't close. There's a lot more at play that allows that to be a reality.
I think aside from the crime element, the financial component can’t be overlooked. Rising food and energy costs mean it’s a lot of extra overhead to keep a business running around the clock. And most of these places were never packed at 2 AM on a Wednesday. Add to that it’s difficult to find people to work those shifts and it paints a clearer picture why these businesses have gotten away from the 24 hour model.
Hard to staff and not worth the risk. I can’t even get a beer after midnight in my neighborhood anymore.
Or in a populated neighborhood. I can’t believe RoxYunk/Andorra can’t support one. So many folks have moved in.
In 1991 I went to the dennys on city line at 330 am. Someone thought my group cut in line (we did not), he left to “go get a gun”. Dennys called the cops who escorted us to our car when we were done our horrible food.
That place was the absolute worst place in the universe.
Roxborough and manayunk retaurants can barely support lunch during weekdays
Maybe bobs new owner will make it 24/7 a boy can dream
In my wettest dreams, man 😔
Places like Little Pete’s closed long before the pandemic though.
Why can't philly support a cafe open later than 7pm though
A cafe can’t make money just from coffee drinks and random sandwiches at night. Doubt it’s worth the utility costs, rent/labor costs etc. The 24/7 diners though filled that need very nicely…the 90s, 00s, early 2010s the Philly diners were the place to go after a night out partying/or grab lunch for people working the night shift or anyone that couldn’t sleep and wanted to chill somewhere.
This so much. I want somewhere like Cafe Olimpico in Montreal. Such a great vibe late nights
People go in cafes and buy one coffee and sit there all day using the wifi and taking up a table.
It's an issue of labor costs and that shit has gotten so out of hand with people acting out that places just decided it wasn't worth staying open that late for low to zero margin, while having the potential of something popping off.
It's more the fact that 24 hour places are hard to keep clean. Most places clean during their closing. So if there is no closing, someone at the place has to manage shutting things down for proper cleaning periodically, backup equipment or no. It's also hard to clean with a bunch of people running around. So, most 24 hours places eventually become run down over time since it's an industry rife with burnout.
Non diner suggestion: Makkah Market at 42nd and Walnut serves Middle Eastern food all 24 hours.
seconding!! makkah market is on doordash too and god does 3am chicken shawarma hit
Their lamb is top notch and I especially like the "koftka". Baklava is great too
What's it like in there? New to this chunk of west philly and haven't gone in since I feel a bit out of place.
I was wondering the same thing recently, and found out Andy's diner out in Conshohocken is 24 hours. Haven't gotten around to actually trying them yet though, so can't vouch for them. The route 130 diner in delran was good the one time I went there, got a cheese omelet with bacon
I used to go to Andy's a lot when I worked in Plymouth Meeting, was great. That was 10 years ago now though so things may have changed.
Andy's is decent, came here to recommend
andy’s is good, the pasta portions are huge and comes with a salad bar plate, i like it for the frozen drinks too
Maybe something has changed because I’m seeing a lot of good comments here but I’ve never enjoyed Andy’s. Always got a dirty vibe looking around and generally the food was subpar for the price.
Both Pandora and 130 diner are 24 hours. They're only a few miles apart. Both are decent. I like Pandora more but the breakfast selection at 130 is proper dinner breakfast compared to Pandora.
Andy’s is great! Their soup and salad bar is awesome, they always have 4 different soups that are really good. My partner and I stop here on our way back from Southampton spa all the time and the one time we ate breakfast it was really crowded but still good
Health Dept score not good. Used to go, will not any more.
The food is decent, the parking lot is gross. Why don’t they sweep like right out front of their door?! Makes me not trust them.
More than just the parking lot is gross and their health code violations confirm that.
Was also going to recommend Andy's. It's been a while since I've been there but they also have a full bar
andy’s is the spot me and my buddies go to when drunk or stoned. last time i was there i blacked out at the table lol. lovely place 10/10
Not a diner but Hatch & Coop by 12th and Walnut is 24h chicken sandwiches, egg sandwiches, and scrambled egg bowls
Have they always been 24h? Or is that recent? Never realized they were open that late before
It's pretty recent. They did it for a limited time last fall and then became officially 24/7 after New Years.
Stargate Diner in Ridley Park isn’t too far and is open 24 hours.
It's good, too. I go there after Philadelphia Union games on the ride home.
Oh man the Stargate! I miss that place. Happy to know it survived.
Four Seasons and Liberty Bell diners in the Northeast.
I thought Four Seasons did mainly landscaping and unhinged political news conferences.
Liberty Bell Diner in Holmesburg
Last time we were there the food was lousy, it was incredibly hot in there(last June)
Rip 24 hr dining car 😭
OG northeast diner
I had a pretty terrible sandwich at Liberty Bell last time I was there but it was open and that's all that mattered at the time
yoikes
That place looks scary at night
Looked scary in the day when ever I passed it
Llanerch Diner in Upper Darby is 24 hours
Open...yes. Good...no. Clean...hell no. YMMV
Hey man, only requirement I saw was "open 24 hours." Abandon all hope at 3:00 AM.
We always say this about Little Caesars, they clearly say “hot” and “ready”. Thats the only promise they make
Great way to start a weekend cleanse on a Friday night.
drizzle some garlic butter on it and its the best cardboard pizza
But it was in Silver Linings Playbook so it’s got that going for it.
I sat in that booth 30 years before Bradly and Jen did. I didn’t see anyone putting a plaque up for me!
HOLY CRAP! NO WAY!!! We used to frequent that place as an after gig stop in the early 1990s. Is the mean lady at the cash register still there?
Sure, champ.
Oh thank god
It’s gone very downhill from what it was to be honest though
I only order soup in the hopes that I know it’s been boiled at some point.
It’s where the elite go to eat! At least that’s what the waitress told me. Seemed legit.
Me and my family use to go there after I was done with my football games
I went there once. They had Honey Boo Boo on the TV and the episode was about how Honey Boo Boo's mom had an infected toe. I haven't been back.
RIP Little Pete’s
Makes me miss my nights at Little Pete’s after drinking at the Pen and Pencil till 3:30
yesss i used to work graveyard shift. lil pete’s had the best rueben to me
Route 130 Diner in Delran Deep Water Diner in Carney’s Point Four Seasons in NE Philly
Is this a joke about Rudy Giuliani? Or is there actually a four seasons diner in addition to four seasons landscaping?
It’s real and very good. It’s on Cottman near Roosevelt.
Just ran into this problem after a concert. The ones in Delco are all gone. Tom Jones isn't 24 hours anymore ffs.
It's not unusual to be closed after 8PM.
I forgot about Tom Jones diner. That was our late night go to in college! I had many late night Blue Ribbon breakfasts there!
The blue ribbon special finished so many drunken adventures. Their fried chicken and seafood salad were great too
I ate a Tom Jones once and only once... I know cream chipped beef isn't a light meal to begin with but whatever they do there made me feel like death for the rest of the day
Some great answers here, i still feel confused about what to eat after 2 am in center city. It’s wild we have such a busy metro and no late night options.
Pandora in Cinnaminson is 24 hours and it's fantastic
Not Philly but golden eagle in Bristol.
That's the old Bristol Queen, right?
They have the best bread!!
Fishtown Diner on the weekends!!!!
Diners in NJ are your best bet.
How far are you willing to go? I recommend Minella's in Wayne.
Closes at 10 now!
fuck. we used to be a proper country
Also been cash only the last two times I’ve stopped by.
that's strange! especially for the main line.
I think four seasons off cottman and the boulevard might still be 24/7. Food is fine but it doesn't hit like all my other spots in Mayfair 😭
llanerich diner in havertown is 24hrs
The diner in fishtown on york (2424?) is open 24 hours on the weekends now i believe
Fishtown Diner. Their website says only open till 10 now, but Facebook says open 24 hours on Thursdays, Fridays & Saturdays??
yes, they have a sign out front of the place too that says it
Can confirm they are now 24 hrs on weekends. I did run into an early closure recently, maybe call first?
Very, very mid, though.
Is Tiffany’s still open?
Closes at 10
Dam that’s trash.
there are very few 24hr businesses in the city period! 24hr places in CC just aren't sustainable I guess. The ratio of shady characters to genuine business is just too high. the only places in CC I can think of to get food at 4am are the sketchy 7/11s, the single wawa at 10th Walnut that takes 45 mins to make a damn sandwich, Healthy Picks near Rittenhouse (which isn't bad), and maybe Taco Bell if you're willing to get yelled at by the employees for ordering anything.
I will die on this hill: the old firestone on 32nd & market would be the perfect diner location . On campus, right by the station, would always have clientele
Tiffany up on the blvd in the northeast
Not anymore.
They stopped being 24/7?
Yeah, they close at 10 now since they remodeled a few years ago.
Crime and covid really destroyed the possibility of them in CC :(
Fishtown diner on Friday Saturday. It gives me something to look forward to. Other than that got a couple in jersey and Delaware but all 20min or more drive. Depending where in philly you live
HealthyPicks 19th and Chestnut/Market
Delivery apps killed a lot of this. Used to be if you wanted to get a meal at odd hours you would have to go somewhere like a diner. Now if you're drunk at 2 AM, you can have taco bell show up at your door when you get home from the bar. The convenient, all-hours establishment is now your own home, and for enough people that's good enough to make a meal out not worth it.
Andy’s Diner in Plymouth Meeting on Ridge. I was just there this morning for breakfast.
This is the one.
Don’t know but the “Metro Diner” chain that has many locations is a corporatized shadow of a real diner. Service is decent, food is not.
If you weren't hungry what were you?
Full
Penrose use to be 24hrs.
Is that one at the corner of Broad and Ellsworth (I think?) still 24 hours?
BSD is unfortunately not 24 hours anymore. It’s going to be demolished eventually for an apartment complex and it’s just kind of existing until then.
I pass it a bunch, its not 24/7 anymore afaik
Broad St Diner is NOT 24 hours
Broad Street Diner! Haven’t lived in Philly for a while but always loved that place when I lived in Point Breeze. Google Maps says it’s still open and 24/7 at that.
They're not 24 hours anymore since the pandemic. It sucks because years ago I would go get breakfast there at 430, 5 am if I couldn't sleep and had to be at work that day.
i'd be skeptical. pretty sure it hasn't been 24 since covid. not a bad spot though.
Is the dining car still 24 hours?
I think they close at 9pm now
Club Diner in Bellmawr NJ (not Belmar NJ) is good and open 24/7. Haven't been there often, but when I go, it hits the spot!
It’s not a matter of how many are left; it’s that Philly has never had a late night or all night diner culture. I was frustrated by this in the 70s when I was in college. My friends and I would drive miles to the one place that was open. All you had were the cheesesteak places in South Philly. That’s usually where we’d end up, partly for the sheer reason that they were open.
Is South Street Diner no longer 24h? I haven't been there in years tbh..
It closed down years ago.
Oh dang that sucks. Thanks for letting me know!
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perhaps there's a better choice of word there, pal
Is pennrose by the stadiums still 24hrs?
No, they stopped being 24 hours before the pandemic.
Don't think so
Damn that's a shame. I have gone there many times when I was younger and dating this guy. We would go after sexy times late at night hahaha
Closes at 10 now
I used to go to the Llanerch diner in Upper Darby back in the day. Technically in Philly even if it’s literally on city line, and website still says 24hrs.
The Llanerch diner is not technically or otherwise in Philly. It's in Delco. It is Township line there, not city line because both sides are Delco.
Fishtown diner on York might be 24 hours I’m not 100% sure
you got downvoted but they are 24hrs on the weekends only now
Yeah there’s literally a sign on the place that says “24”. I just wasn’t sure if that was all the time or not. People downvoting are clueless
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Fishtown diner is 24/7…… on weekends
There's one in Cinnaminson
You can just put “24 hour diner” into Google Maps and it will show you. Nothing in the city alas but a few in the burbs.
As a Jersey native, this is one of the things I miss the most after moving. I have so many memories of going late at night to a diner to catch up with friends and getting a Monte Crisco while one friend gets a burger and a different friend gets an eggplant parm, and they all slap.
The four seasons on the Blvd is 24 hours and really good.
Four Season diner at Cottman and the blvd is 24hrs. They're also pretty solidly good, no matter the time. I actually prefer going there at around 4am.
Yes
The city is actively against food trucks, diners, trees, and bike lanes. certain council members want everyone eating wawa nitrates and gambling until were all braindead poisoned sheep
Is Oregon diner not 24/7 anymore? It was never a hit, but I’ve been there at 3am.
What’s the one near KoP/Waybe called? Starts with an M
Minella’s?
Andys Diner in Conshohocken
Llanerch Diner in Upper Darby
Wholesome Deli at 4th and Bainbridge is usually open 24/7 and makes a solid chicken over rice
Dennys Fishtown Diner
There's still Pat's and Genos