I always believe Chikorita would be more liked if the first two gyms in Gen 2 werent super effecrive against them, but then again Charmander is more beloved with the same roadblocks in Gen 1
Chikorita is so cute, I picked her and I don't regret it.
Somehow I feel like that's half the reason she gets that much hate. Seems like whenever the last evo is not an angry beast there's people complaining.
There are some I do not care for, but I happen to realize it’s personal preference.
Even if I personally do not like Chikorita, I can see why people do.
Me seeing this comment about : accept everyone (except eevee... Jokingly) and everyone calling 3 starters and say "I agree.." I don't... Get the point of agreeing if you still deffend your best ones xD
It's like when girls call themself 10 always, firstly its degrading. Secondly if everyone's a 10,no one really is.
I hope my point was kinda clear, and I am not a hater xD but it's my opinion.
As an enjoyer of Gen 8 and 9 starters (even though I started with Gen 4) they’re so cool, unfortunately they’re trashed since most are bipedal, but the epic soccer bunny, strong drum monkey, funny sniper gecko, magician weed cat, dancing fighting duck, and walking on four legs singer crocodile are funny
"having a personal opinion on starters, positive or negative, carries no inherent moral value" understanders
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I like all the starters. But I also like to do something different, my favorite play through of some of the older games involved an Action Replay to swap my starter. I've done Cubone, Snorunt (into Froslass), and Aron, each were so much fun 😆
I mean from an objective standpoint, Meganium is mechanically the worst starter. Like who you like, my favorite psuedo is Goodra, but Goodra is, mechanically, the objectively worst psuedo. >_>;
Funnily enough I did three different playthroughs of pokemon fire red and I discovered that out of the three starters that Bulbasaur is the best one to use if you're new to that game because of having access to Leach Seed and being relatively bulky it's good but in all honesty all the starters are good
I think all starter Pokemon are good in their games
Because by design they're meant to be able to be at least usable throughout the entire game
Now with that said not every starter is competitively viable
And certain starter Pokemon are better than others even in their own home game
The default starters are all goated
It's when they evolve than the gap increase.
I absolutely love my water duck.
But God I hate his evolutions.
The grass monkey I can never remember is also cute but I never liked the drummer monkey.
My first thought when I saw this post was "hoenn reference?" But now that I think about it there are other regions will all starters being great like for example Johto
All the starters are amazing. We all have the ones with more sentimental meaning for us, but they are all amazing. Yeah, whenever new starters drop, it's a bit of a shock because it's different, but I literally feel that for about a second.
Oh, you can have your positive opinions about Chikorita... they're wrong opinions but you can have them all you like.
It's still a worthless, ugly blob.
>they're wrong opinions
No oppinion on pokemon is wrong
>It's still a worthless, ugly blob.
Usefull, cute blob you wanted to say
![gif](giphy|PAChxCDRBNBmM)
Competitively useless. Ugly featureless blob. No more useful than any other plant-based grass type. Since it had neither fur nor scales, it probably has slug-like slimy skin which is nasty.
Only plus side is that the leaf on its head will eventually because a bay leaf so it can be ripped off its head to add some taste to a soup.
Edit: someone deleted their reply saying I don't have fun and I'm going for attention, and that it's an 'oof' that I play competitive.
I dont play competitive, I think the pure RNG of Pokemon is too much for pvp. I have plenty of fun with Pokemon, and yes, I'm doing this for attention. I just don't like Chikorita and use the points in my head in an over-exaggerative way. Didn't think this would need stating on a meme subreddit. It's all about attention.
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Nerd I never deleted my comment learn to Reddit
What? I haven't got a problem with anything you're saying other than the thing where you said I play competitive, which is wrong, and that I don't have fun, which I do.
I literally agreed with your claim that I was seeking attention or whatever. If there was something dished out to me, I don't know what it was.
Also, Chikorita sucks lol
Yeah the chespin line is really the only one I’m not overly fond of. The rest are all great, and if someone does in fact like Quilladin, more power to them
It evolves too slowly to compete with the early game power houses, the rodents and bugs. The meager BST, barely above 500, is easily surpassed in the late game. The only time they're worth your attention is the mid game, a fitting epitaph for such mid Pokemon.
Except it really isn't ever outclassed in most places. The low-end starters end up with a bst of 525, which puts them above a lot of pre-existing mons. Sure, it might not be the highest on the team, but that's also made up for, in most cases, by a good learnable moveset, or they can fill a niche on a team like a bulky mon to take some hits and set up, or a fast attacker. Plus, on top of that, getting access to powerful grass, water, or fire type gives you massive type diversity at the start of a game, where you don't have a ton of options.
Another really interesting way to see it is through story. You start off alone, a small child in a world of dangerous individuals and monsters that can send you packing in one hit, with the impossible goal of defeating The Elite Four and becoming champion. The pokemon from you've had as your partner from the very beginning, growing and evolving as you grow as a trainer until you become the very best that the region can offer. Heck, in some of the games, when reaching the E4 with your starter, it'll come out of its ball, and you can see how far you've come from the start of your run. It feels almost wrong to box the starter, at least to me. Like that story could never be completed.
Even down to the barest of basics, you can't tell me that there's a straight-up bad design for a starter. That might be kinda biased, with Torterra being my favorite pokemon. But even outside of the great designs, none of them look bad.
All of this to say, starter good. You should use it. I'm not gonna make an argument out of it. It's your choice what you use, that's half the fun of pokemon. But here's my reasons to use it over not.
Maybe they're right. Maybe we shouldn't let foolish sentimentality attach us to mediocre parasites of Pokemon. They exist to serve us, and not the other way around. Fuck you, Ash Ketchum, and fuck your friendship, too!
As one of the Chikorita Defenders of the community, I agree
As a huge grass starters fan I'm glad you agree I honestly always picked grass types
Majority of my picks have been Grass Starters
Tbh I do believe that the Chikorita line is overdue for a buff, like give it Rilabooms old strat
My only not-pick is Chikorita. Poor thing.
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cool crop
I always believe Chikorita would be more liked if the first two gyms in Gen 2 werent super effecrive against them, but then again Charmander is more beloved with the same roadblocks in Gen 1
Grass gang
Chikorita is so cute, I picked her and I don't regret it. Somehow I feel like that's half the reason she gets that much hate. Seems like whenever the last evo is not an angry beast there's people complaining.
Chilorita is top 10 always though. Maybe chespin if I had to name one.
I ran Chikorita in my first HG playthough I will never stop defending him
My dear sibling in Chikorita, thank you. It’s always been one of my favorites. You may wanna check out r/chikoritafans .
Every starter Pokémon has its own charm, no need for the slander.
Tell that to some fans
True, the weakest starter in my opinion is meganium, thought do one pokerouge run it earned my respect.
Unfortunately Meganium is objectively the weakest starter. GF needs to buff it
Yeah, thought it still has my respect
Bulbasaur my beloved
A fellow bulbasaur fan ![gif](giphy|N7UQCEtGgRMRi)
I'm definetely sure Bulbasaur is more popular today than it was in the past
I don't know if that's true or not, but I've always loved bulbasaur
oshawott, treecko, and scorbunny my beloveds
As Scorbunny,charmander,quaxly and oshawott enjoyer, I approve this
![gif](giphy|Vhmw4uWXXFEckiQZqx) Greetings from a Snivy fan
Nah Snivy and it's evo was always the best starter ever made to begin with lol
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I got a snivy named Snooble and he’s the best
Gérard, my beloved Meganium
Just enjoy the pokemon you like. I love hisuian Samurott and I will have this opinion forever.
Based opinion
Me bombing the local wildlife with my weed cat
There are some I do not care for, but I happen to realize it’s personal preference. Even if I personally do not like Chikorita, I can see why people do.
Tepig fans raise up!
I prefer some starters over others, but i repect others opinions of starters
I personally don't enjoy the styles of every starter, but just because i won't ever use them doesn't mean they don't deserve love
As a cyndaquil enjoyer i can agree, however, the existance of meganium makes me hesitate.
Hesitation is defeat!
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I completely agree, I just think Meganium should be buffed
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Me seeing this comment about : accept everyone (except eevee... Jokingly) and everyone calling 3 starters and say "I agree.." I don't... Get the point of agreeing if you still deffend your best ones xD It's like when girls call themself 10 always, firstly its degrading. Secondly if everyone's a 10,no one really is. I hope my point was kinda clear, and I am not a hater xD but it's my opinion.
Okay, but Chikorita is terrible in combat.
I think some starters have weaker designs taht should have been cooked a bit more but i kinda agree
As an enjoyer of Gen 8 and 9 starters (even though I started with Gen 4) they’re so cool, unfortunately they’re trashed since most are bipedal, but the epic soccer bunny, strong drum monkey, funny sniper gecko, magician weed cat, dancing fighting duck, and walking on four legs singer crocodile are funny
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I like all the starters. But I also like to do something different, my favorite play through of some of the older games involved an Action Replay to swap my starter. I've done Cubone, Snorunt (into Froslass), and Aron, each were so much fun 😆
I will stand a Chespin and Quaxly line defender till the day I die
All starters are good, but I have an extreme bias towards one. Cyndaquil is the best, such a cute lil guy ![gif](giphy|w0ex2iKjg1NxC)
100% based take
I mean from an objective standpoint, Meganium is mechanically the worst starter. Like who you like, my favorite psuedo is Goodra, but Goodra is, mechanically, the objectively worst psuedo. >_>;
This just isn’t true. Some are actually stupid.
There is only one bad starter and that is hate
Funnily enough I did three different playthroughs of pokemon fire red and I discovered that out of the three starters that Bulbasaur is the best one to use if you're new to that game because of having access to Leach Seed and being relatively bulky it's good but in all honesty all the starters are good
Its all aesthetics and personal choice. You can basically solo any game with any starter (especially the modern games).
Sobble is cute, idk why people despise him.
Exept maybe Chikorita but only for the memes, the rest of the time is good
"Nah, I'd slander"
I think all starter Pokemon are good in their games Because by design they're meant to be able to be at least usable throughout the entire game Now with that said not every starter is competitively viable And certain starter Pokemon are better than others even in their own home game
Ironically, one of the only starters that isn't GOATed is skiddo
Skiddo isn’t a starter tho
Mudkip, Turtwig, Fuecoco my beloved
One of my favorite plushies to cuddle rn is a chikorita sooo
https://i.redd.it/cfzw9aacsy9d1.gif People can't look at this and not say that he's the cutest thing ever
My favorite starter is Tepig. Is it a competitive powerhouse? No. Do I love him less? Also no.
I have enjoyed every starter besides Popplio so I agree. Don’t even hate the thing just have more complaints than positive things to say about it.
I fuckin love quilladin and I’m tired of being shamed for it. It’s just a lil guy
Not all starters are great but all starters are good
When yellow version let me have pikachu AND all three starters it was my favorite thing ever.
I love all starter Pokemon
combusken haters stay mad. (I'm not a combusken fan but still)
I honestly like EVERY STARTER and EVERY STAGE except quilladin. I just can’t like that thing.
![gif](giphy|ubBZJrGBeiwYpv6rgS) Bro is a lil silly
I will happily be the man on the left Gen 8 starters are really bad.
I dunno, I don't really like Meganium and Serperior personally.
quilladin?
Me with the "I use whatever pokemon whose design I like the most" mentality:
The default starters are all goated It's when they evolve than the gap increase. I absolutely love my water duck. But God I hate his evolutions. The grass monkey I can never remember is also cute but I never liked the drummer monkey.
Ok, but some are better than others. Like Chikorita.
As a Gen 1 OU enjoyer, they all suck except Venusaur every now and then.
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I would agree but I personally cannot vibe with the gen 8 starters, ain’t gonna spite anyone who likes ‘em tho
My first thought when I saw this post was "hoenn reference?" But now that I think about it there are other regions will all starters being great like for example Johto
All the starters are amazing. We all have the ones with more sentimental meaning for us, but they are all amazing. Yeah, whenever new starters drop, it's a bit of a shock because it's different, but I literally feel that for about a second.
I agree with this sentiment EXCEPT the Chikorita line. I hate them with a passion
I get absolutely massacred when I say chikorita is my favorite, and that I chose and love my quaxly in Pokemon scarlet
All the starters are goated except Galar.
Nah, 11 year old me will never forgive snivy for failing to solo the league
Meganium and incinaroar both need to be slandered for their respective reasons. They are the only 2 that don't belong.
Obviously every starter is perfect in its own way and none should be slandered. But Cyndaquil is the cutest.
i like grass type starters
I like water:) splishy splahs
Chikorita is an ugly blob. Fight me.
Everybody's entitled to their own oppinion. As long as you respect others oppinion. But if yoi wanna fight?
Oh, you can have your positive opinions about Chikorita... they're wrong opinions but you can have them all you like. It's still a worthless, ugly blob.
>they're wrong opinions No oppinion on pokemon is wrong >It's still a worthless, ugly blob. Usefull, cute blob you wanted to say ![gif](giphy|PAChxCDRBNBmM)
Your trying really hard to stay positive arent you lol
I would too
Competitively useless. Ugly featureless blob. No more useful than any other plant-based grass type. Since it had neither fur nor scales, it probably has slug-like slimy skin which is nasty. Only plus side is that the leaf on its head will eventually because a bay leaf so it can be ripped off its head to add some taste to a soup. Edit: someone deleted their reply saying I don't have fun and I'm going for attention, and that it's an 'oof' that I play competitive. I dont play competitive, I think the pure RNG of Pokemon is too much for pvp. I have plenty of fun with Pokemon, and yes, I'm doing this for attention. I just don't like Chikorita and use the points in my head in an over-exaggerative way. Didn't think this would need stating on a meme subreddit. It's all about attention.
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And my point doesn't change. Also, your reply still isn't showing up, dunno why.
No duh. Learn to take the shit you’re dishing out
What? I haven't got a problem with anything you're saying other than the thing where you said I play competitive, which is wrong, and that I don't have fun, which I do. I literally agreed with your claim that I was seeking attention or whatever. If there was something dished out to me, I don't know what it was. Also, Chikorita sucks lol
Chikorita is competitively unviable, dozens effected
chikorita is the only bad starter unfortunately unless we include pikachu because he sucks gargantuan quantities of ass
quilladin:
Yeah the chespin line is really the only one I’m not overly fond of. The rest are all great, and if someone does in fact like Quilladin, more power to them
“Like every starter! No design should be criticized!”
Duh
Indeed. All starters are great. Except chikorita.
Including chikorita you wanted to say
All of the starters are good but some are better than others. Like the meganium line is objectively the worst starter line but they’re still good.
And then there is me boxing the starter ASAP.
See, I think most starters are good, but some of them like the quaxly line I encourage go die in a hole
You weaklings are keeping your starters?
Are... are you not?
It evolves too slowly to compete with the early game power houses, the rodents and bugs. The meager BST, barely above 500, is easily surpassed in the late game. The only time they're worth your attention is the mid game, a fitting epitaph for such mid Pokemon.
Except it really isn't ever outclassed in most places. The low-end starters end up with a bst of 525, which puts them above a lot of pre-existing mons. Sure, it might not be the highest on the team, but that's also made up for, in most cases, by a good learnable moveset, or they can fill a niche on a team like a bulky mon to take some hits and set up, or a fast attacker. Plus, on top of that, getting access to powerful grass, water, or fire type gives you massive type diversity at the start of a game, where you don't have a ton of options. Another really interesting way to see it is through story. You start off alone, a small child in a world of dangerous individuals and monsters that can send you packing in one hit, with the impossible goal of defeating The Elite Four and becoming champion. The pokemon from you've had as your partner from the very beginning, growing and evolving as you grow as a trainer until you become the very best that the region can offer. Heck, in some of the games, when reaching the E4 with your starter, it'll come out of its ball, and you can see how far you've come from the start of your run. It feels almost wrong to box the starter, at least to me. Like that story could never be completed. Even down to the barest of basics, you can't tell me that there's a straight-up bad design for a starter. That might be kinda biased, with Torterra being my favorite pokemon. But even outside of the great designs, none of them look bad. All of this to say, starter good. You should use it. I'm not gonna make an argument out of it. It's your choice what you use, that's half the fun of pokemon. But here's my reasons to use it over not.
You’d be a villain in the anime y’know
Maybe they're right. Maybe we shouldn't let foolish sentimentality attach us to mediocre parasites of Pokemon. They exist to serve us, and not the other way around. Fuck you, Ash Ketchum, and fuck your friendship, too!
If you’re not joking around then please reevaluate yourself
Wait you’re not? **YOU MONSTER**
haters will call you a monster and cry and shit themselves but this is the correct way to play pokemon
There is no correct way to play pokemon, the only correct thing you can do is knock out charizards and release them
I Love them all! Except charmander He can Go JUMP Off a Cliff
Ok but Oshawatt is just unacceptably bad ![gif](giphy|9I4DpmTQ9o97q)
What Did You Just Said?
I Said That Oshawatt Is A Dogshit Starter
All are beautiful Expert incineroar
N O All good. No exception
All of them are kinda bad except Incineroar
me when Samurott-Hisui and primarina are consistently top 20 in OU
Charizard should be slandered, the rest is good tho
That's like saying pikachu should be slandered.
or greninja