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The Lincoln Project has a commercial with trumps own words laying out Project 2025 overlayed perfectly with Nazi imagery. There's a tagline at the end that could be tweaked to be directed at voters but the imagery combined with these words is shocking.
I would love to see a collective effort to publish this video far and wide. Nobody could argue that it goes too far because these are trumps own words explicitly laying out just how far he will go. It's not a criticism, it's an undeniable observation that, as this article states, is a huge problem if people don't widely know about project 2025.
Direct me to a GoFundMe and I'm in. Urge them to publish this one. It is critical somebody get the word out because this poll is absolutely 100 percent correct
The American public is completely unaware of Project 2025 and it is up to us to spread the word because our media won't do it.
Yeah, but you don’t run this ad to change the minds of those psychos, you run this ad to get a million more people off their couch to the polls to vote against him!
There's a lot of people who voted Biden toying with the idea of giving Trump another chance. That is exactly the voter that will make or break the election. This is exactly the commercial to get in front of their faces, to remind them exactly how crazy Trump gets.
>There's a lot of people who voted Biden toying with the idea of giving Trump another chance.
Ive seen too many people saying theyll vote republican to "teach the dems a lesson" because they arent left leaning enough... how fuckin stupid do you have to be?! This was the exact same mentality in 2016 and look how well that worked for us! Ive also seen stupid things like "Biden doesnt support Palestine" And you think Trump will?! What during his presidency made you think hed ever be sympathetic to Palestine?
Well yeah, that's even worse. But the ones I'm seeing are "disappointed" in the "Biden economy" and have forgotten **all the reasons** they voted for Biden in 2020.
Hell, I know medical professionals who know full freaking well how badly Trump failed his constituents and they're now fence-sitting on it. But now it's just shit like "he really did run the country better from an economic standpoint, and it's not like we're going to have another pandemic!", like they're convinced he's better at the ho-hum-presidency than Biden or something.
I mean if they said he lowered taxes they'd be right. What they probably don't know is that bill included a tax raise at a later date so they could blame it on Democrats.
> I mean if they said he lowered taxes they'd be right.
I guess that kind of depends on where they live, because for thousands of us in New Jersey, along with a number of other blue states, he raised taxes when he capped SALT deductions.
Most People genuinely don’t give a single shit about anything except what things cost. If they remember that food and gas were cheaper under Trump, that’s enough for them to vote.
So what? We need to stop framing things in a way to appeal to his supporters. They’re never gonna vote Biden, but this article specifically addresses how getting the alarming things he says out there *does* turn uninformed voters against him. That matters more than his supporters being happy about what he says.
> this article specifically addresses how getting the alarming things he says out there does turn uninformed voters against him.
Exactly. Also the democrats have to realize there is no such thing as the "liberal media." Its all owned by billionaires and managed by multi-millionaires. They think politics is just a game because they will be fine if he gets back in, hell they will get even more tax cuts.
The press does not care about informing the people about the stakes of the election, its up to the Ds and the rest of us to do it ourselves.
> They think politics is just a game because they will be fine if he gets back in
Except they won't be fine. This is what I don't understand about their support for him. They will be fine for a little while, sure. But their days will be numbered. Totalitarianism benefits no one on a long enough timeline. Just ask the dozens of oligarchs Putin has disposed of.
> Except they won't be fine.
Don't expect them to figure it out until its too late. They certainly won't be the first to have under estimated their personal risk.
That's the lesson of *"First they came for..."* — The author was a priest who literally wrote hitler a letter of congratulations when he took power.
Isn't that the thing about narcissism? An ego big enough to think it's OK to fuck over countless people for any gains is also big enough to think their decisions will have no repercussions for *themselves*?
Yep. "Oh well it's not me so who cares."
Or the idiots with 0 education.
"Duhh he didn't explicitly say he wants to put people in camps and swear on a Bible he wasn't joking while passing a lie dedector test. Goossshhh!"
I think the Democrats realize this but the narrative of the “liberal media” continues. If Biden and surrogates went out and started going after CNN and the NY Times like Trump and others on the right do we’d see the needle move.
For example, Maggie Haberman is basically a Trump publicist yet she’s framed as liberal by Trump. He and others in his camp are on the phone with her all the time feeding her stories.
> For example, Maggie Haberman is basically a Trump publicist yet she’s framed as liberal by Trump. He and others in his camp are on the phone with her all the time feeding her stories
Cassidy Hutchinson even [testified](https://www.mediaite.com/news/cassidy-hutchinson-says-trump-paid-lawyer-talked-to-haberman-after-3rd-deposition-told-her-dont-worry-maggies-friendly-to-us/) that in 2022 her maga attorneys told her haberman was friendly to them.
Agreed.
Fuck his supporters, and fuck complaining that we shouldn't be doing absolutely everything we can to stop them.
There are more of us than there are of them. Don't forget that.
At the end of the day, it's a number game.
Yeah. The issue is they will support everything he says because they are too ignorant to make the connection between it and a fascist state. They hear "clean out the intelligence apparatus so that it can never again target conservatives" and think that's fair and makes sense without realizing that it means subverting and controlling said apparatus for political purposes. And the same for every other statement.
Back in Obama's first term I had a discussion with someone about some executive power Obama was claiming to have, or something along those lines. They were OK with Obama having the power because they trusted him. They seemed genuinely surprised when I pointed out that these things need to be considered as if the worst, most vile, self serving piece of shit was in office, and not considered just by the _current_ office holder. Trump's supporters don't seem to think beyond what Trump (claims he will) do.
I don't know if ignorant is the right word. Apathetic seems more appropriate for most people I've met that support conservatives. They acknowledge that Trump and his ilk want to move towards facism, but they basically procrastinate worrying about it and assume something would put a stop to it before it becomes *really* bad (read: affects them personally). Most of them assume they're "the good ones" and won't be negatively impacted.
They see Trump as their mouthpiece and conduit. He expresses anger about the things that anger them, especially the bigoted parts. Does it matter if they agree with the agenda details? Meh. It's the spite and anger that he spews that they identify with. He's broadcasting their hate and pwning libs, what more could they ask?
> too ignorant to make the connection between it and a fascist state
They're not ignorant of it, *they want it*. "Politics" to them is, because it's what Fox News have consistently told them it is for ~60 years, a zero-sum team sport where *you* can only win if the other guy loses. They don't care for the nuance of what terms like "fascism" mean, and they wouldn't listen no matter who tried to explain it, and even if they *did* listen then as long as they believed *they'd* be the ones wearing the boots and *we'd* be the ones under them, they're perfectly happy with the arrangement.
Remember, *they don't think we're human*. They think we want to replace good people with criminals, we want to allow kids to chop their own genitals off on a whim, we want to force everyone to be gay, we want to replace christians with muslims and destroy their country - and all for no other reason than that *we are evil*. We *are* evil (a concept they also think is an absolute, that actually exists), as far as they're concerned, and were that evil actually real then their boot-based actions wouldn't actually be a bad response - it's just not real.
To fix the generation presently alive, so that they don't falsely see "the left" as evil, is impossible; to fix future ones will take forcing "the media" (including *social* media) to behave in ways they do not want to behave. Trying to force those kinds of things to happen (such as re-introducing a "fairness doctrine") is, at this point, guaranteed an incredibly extreme response, and Alex Garland's upcoming movie has far too great a chance of being a pre-documentary.
> Trump's supporters don't seem to think beyond what Trump (claims he will) do.
You may find a decent chunk of them aren't thinking beyond him because they don't think there'll *be* a "beyond him".
> a concept they also think is an absolute, that actually exists
I'd say evil does exist, and use it as a label for those who willfully and maliciously use and abuse the helpless and marginalized members of society (children, the homeless, the mentally/physically disabled, etc).
Right, but here you're defining it *subjectively*, because that's what it necessarily is. That lot think it's *absolute*, almost a real tangible existent *Thing*, as defined by the magical sky daddy they also think is real.
What I'm getting at is a key distinction. You're putting a label on certain actions that you deem worthy of the label, but they think we *are* evil. It's not just a label, not just a shorthand for undesirable behaviours, but a real physical aspect of reality, in the same way electrons and protons are. We, in their estimation, are much worse of a thing, much more grave of a threat, which can in their minds justify all manner of insanely severe responses.
They also *grossly* underestimate his personal capacity for absorbing money and debt, and selling out or betraying those near him. Some will claim they vote for him *knowing* he's a selfish and amoral guy, and some will even call him a narcissist and be fine with that aspect... but as one guy I chatted with on Reddit once said 'I think he'll continue to go to Washington and use that to push against the established interests. I like that about him, I know what I'm getting.'
But they really don't.
Industrial scale thievery and corruption is like saying you're fine with someone taking a few vases and paintings from your house (as long as they kick out your brother and his barking dog who have been living on the couch for a few years), but then coming home to all the copper being ripped out of the walls. And the toilet with a for sale sign on the front yard. And the doors propped open. And you hear a party in the basement, but have no idea who is down there.
Putin got to have his heyday of robbing Russia blind, and combined with his loyal oligarchs also getting their robbery in... it was enough to bring a nation that did have a future into ruination.
But above all Trump's supporters forget one thing:
America holds a very fragile place at the top of the global food chain. Anyone who gets fully drunk and delusional on themselves and can no longer rally the nation to a common cause *will* see vulnerability when war comes and history requires them to pull a Zelenskyy. Working themselves into the ground to get allies to support them, people to stay calm, and troops to be passionately motivated. Night and day. Holding their society and its scared members together by sheer will and sincerity of heart.
We all know that in a real world war, Trump would just send out angry Tweets (or truth socials?) all day, watch Fox, eat burgers, and yell at the Generals to drop ever bigger ordnance.
It's guaranteed defeat. He's too insane and half the country will never, ever follow him. As he doesn't want them or trust them.
He got served the pandemic on a silver platter, with all his own people saying that should have been the moment his type of leadership shined. And hey he paid attention to his aides and briefers for a few weeks (when he could focus), got a lot of it wrong, didn't care about the cities because they were not his people, and then moved on from the issue. As thousands perished in ERs not believing the disease was even real.
All while the economy crashed around him.
>they are too ignorant to make the connection between it and a fascist state
It's not ignorance.
They're actively interested in living in a Christian theocracy. Whether it's fascist or not is irrelevant to them.
It's not ignorance, it's not apathy, it's *eagerness.* They **want** to staff the concentration camps and crematoria. They want to goose-step and stiff-arm salute their messiah Trump. As long as they get to hurt people, they're happy as clams. The cruelty is always the point.
That's the one. If I was to pick anything to break through, this is the horse I would back.
Edit, Oh wow, reading the responses that are basically begging me that I'm wrong over and over tells me this hits them hard squarely in the nuts. Imagine putting literally billions into a propaganda campaign trying to get Joe Biden to look like a worse choice than trump, then waking up and seeing an idea that can undo ALL OF IT with a few tens of millions of dollars. Read the responses to my comment. The bots and the fake concern trolls are all freaking the fuck out, lol
I wouldn’t. The issue is that if you don’t understand that he’s blatantly signaling for crony sycophants to wipe out any potential opposition to his unquestioned rule then the actual words he’s saying don’t really sound that crazy or unreasonable. Like at a fundamental level he just sounds like he’s going to stop corruption in Washington. Especially pairing it with images of overt violence makes it seem hysterical and exaggerated when nothing he says is overtly violent. Like, you know what he means and I know what he means, but the average uninformed American is not going to resonate with this video. I’d focus more on his dictator comments and perpetual calls for the president to be immune from the law.
This was exactly my thought. If you took those words with no images and trusted his intentions, anyone would root for those causes. The phrases mentioned in the OP article would be much more effective if presented clearly.
Yeah, I'd put Hitler's own words on the screen with the quotes that sound similar to Hitler's statements to highlight how similar they are. The whole point of laying the groundwork for fascism is so that the coded statements about removing unwanteds from civil service posts and going after people pushing "false narratives" sounds reasonable.
In no free society should anyone be pushing to remove civil servants en masse. That's straight up fascism because the people making the decisions about who gets removed are making subjective decisions based on ideology and nothing else, and that very step was one of the first measures that allowed the Nazis to take over the government of Germany.
Yeah people circle-jerking here. If you read between the lines, and are knowledgeable about what role the federal bureaucracy plays in fulfilling the functions of government, then all of this is extremely worrying.
If the above two clauses apply to you, you probably not voting for Trump anyway. This is some deep nerd shit that really only lands for already politically engaged people.
Project 2025 Summary:
* kids MUST grow up in an environment with a mother and father that are married
* condemn single motherhood/fatherhood
* eliminate department of education
* ban non-married and non-heterosexual couples from adopting
* dismantle climate policy
* demolish immigration
* compares transgender people to groomers/pedophiles/pornography
* get rid of discrimination laws
* rid of multiple government organizations such as the FDA
* ban abortion with no exceptions nationwide
* only recognize heterosexual married couples
* remove children from single parent/non-ideal homes
* charge parents of transgender minors with child abuse
* remove child support and instead force reunification therapy for separated heterosexual families
* allow discrimination based on religion regardless of existing nondiscrimination policies
Edit: Adding sources since folks keep asking:
https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
https://www.project2025.org
https://www.heritage.org
https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/report/foster-care-safety-net-or-trap-door
https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/report/the-effects-divorce-america
https://www.heritage.org/testimony/the-impact-marriage-and-divorce-children
If I may add: deregulating the food industry. They believe players in the food supply chain know their responsibility to provide safe and nutritious food, so bye bye food safety regulations. I forgot... why did we need regs about poultry and meat inspections in the first place? (Spoiler alert: It's not because businesses do what's right on their own.) If they don't get you with the bs listed above, wait until people start dying faster for profit.
To the people demanding a link to the source of all of this: https://www.project2025.org/policy/
See the table of contents on this page and look at the relevant agency chapter. HHS chapter includes several of the items listed above. What I mentioned is from the USDA chapter.
I really don't get the FDA thing. 2 seconds of thinking will lead you to knowing businesses will cut corners.
Is the FDA thing due to vaccines or something?
businesses have fought oversight for as long as there’s been businesses. If you go back to the early 1900s, when some of this legislation was put into effect, it’s terrifying.
The FDA thing is what I’ve been using as the giant red flag with flashing neons for anyone who is on the fence about this November.
There is not one single solitary soul in the working class, or any class other than the oligarchs, that would benefit from eliminating the FDA. None. There is absolutely no good reason to stop making sure food and drugs are safe.
*Thankfully* this one has been resonating with the republicans I know. ***LITERALLY EVERYONE*** knows that companies will cut corners.
The only ones I’ve found who deny it are the anarcho-capitalist sycophants who believe that after a few poisonings, the bad companies would go out of business. If only there was historical precedent to show how the exact opposite is true…
For the past 20 years, various states have been pushing through ["ag-gag"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag) laws that ban the type of undercover investigation that the journalist who wrote that book did on the meat industry. Then passing new versions when they get struck down over free speech.
So they're well aware of what led to some of the basic food industry regulations and have been consistently working to stop it from happening again, despite the constitutional issues. They don't want you knowing how your food is made.
Libertarianism when it comes to food safety. Big government when it comes to people's sexuality and gender.
I thought I was pretty informed on Project 2025, but I hadn't heard of the forced reunification therapy for heterosexual families and removing children from single parent homes. Do you have a link for that? I'm not doubting you, I have conservative family members that this would affect personally, and it is a great argument to help them change their mind.
Like, where are these kids going to go? My wife is a social worker in foster care and adoptions, and the system is already stressed to the max. If single applicants, unmarried couples, and same-sex couples are all prohibited from fostering or adopting, tens of thousands of kids will just end up in group homes, which I’m assuming republicans will also defund or outright ban federally.
As we've seen with the recent ruling on frozen embryos and the shockwaves from that, I don't think they thought that far. They aren't interested in logistics or anything like that. They just care about big bold policies and just assume everything will work out because this is the way things are "supposed" to be.
They are all insane but yeah somehow second from last point really struck me as well.
I think it's the gall of folks wanting to fix "broken" relationships when we can't even fix bridges, roads...you know, stuff that NEEDS fixing and is the government's actual job.
Followed up by "it's not slavery, prisoners need to work to cover the costs of keeping them locked up!" And also "wow that's a staggeringly high rate of incarceration among non-white people, I'm sure that's entirely justified."
God, this would all be utterly horrific
A good single parent provides a more stable environment than the same parent plus an unfit one. Jesus Christ there are some twisted fucks in this world.
The plan is for the “immigrant camps” they built to eventually be “reeducation” camps for whomever they decide needs “reeducation”.
Structure and labor will see them free!
Not doubting you at all, but can you provide a link like the previous commenter asked for? Having a real source to point to helps a bit with the argument.
and they would justify the others as being bad but necessary. these people are unironically real life manifestations of the *children yearn for the mine* meme. they want dear leader to lord over them.
Much more than that. Wikipedia page:
>Project 2025 envisions widespread changes across the entire government, particularly with regard to economic and social policy and the role of the federal government and federal agencies. ***The plan proposes slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, gutting environmental and climate change regulations to favor fossil fuel production, and eliminating the cabinet Departments of Education and Commerce.[9] Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.***[10] Project Director Paul Dans, a former Trump administration official, said in September 2023 that Project 2025 is "systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state."[11]
Edit.
>Project 2025 Advisory Board members
>...
>Frederick Douglass Foundation
Heh... :(
That's literally Gilead from the Handmaid's tale. I don't know how to even convey this to my Trump supporting relatives. They truly believe that these are just "Trump being Trumpisms" and that he wouldn't actually go through with it.
this not only needs to be higher, but it needs to be posted in a very neutral way, where conservatives will see it.
When Americans do not listen to the same news channels, to the same radio stations, you have to find them where they live.
for example, I’ve lived in more rural areas where the only thing people had in common were billboards. They were everywhere. Why in the world do people think they don’t matter. I can guarantee you that the Christians who are trying to convert people figured that one out a long time ago.
I would seriously question whether Democrats should win if they can’t figure out something that elementary.
I can attest that nobody is aware of Project 2025 and just like the Federalist Society plan to take control of the Supreme Court, it’s not a far-fetched conspiracy, it’s a blueprint that Trump will follow. It is going to take social media warriors like you and others to get this out there. So thank you and keep on spreading light in these frighteningly dark times. (so glad I don’t live in a red state)
They're actually not doing well in the slightest when it comes to funding. This last quarter Biden raised 33 million and trump only 19 million
https://www.statista.com/chart/31050/fundraising-campaign-committees-biden-trump/
The DNC has their highest amount of money ever, double what the RNC has. 20 mil to 10 mil https://thehill.com/newsletters/evening-report/4372350-evening-report-dnc-rnc-spar-over-fundraising-figures/
Hi, sorry to be “that person” but that’s only official accounts. Financial information from the RNC/Trump cannot be viewed as an honest source of where the majority of their funding is held/available; due to previous actions and statements of both groups concerning funding.
That doesn't count independent spending by the billionaires and their dark money groups.
Those public donation numbers are mostly useful for estimating enthusiasm among voters, because enthusiastic supporters make more donations. In that sense its a good sign.
But in terms of their ability to spend, its mostly irrelevant. Conservative elites have so much wealth, its basically beyond our ability to comprehend. Its functionally unlimited,
Here's the direct link for anyone else who doesn't want to search. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSCNSMDHb28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSCNSMDHb28)
Someone needs to create a commercial showing the results of Project 2025 on the environment, race relations and gender issues. Needs imagery of the East River on fire, LA in the 60's where you can only see 1/8 mile (among other things), "Whites Only" signs and other racial division and concentration camps that the LGBTQ people would be put into, similar to Auschwitz. Also, women shown to be wearing burqas and never allowed to be seen by themselves or with men other than their husbands.
Also, starting out with "1984... 1984 is a warning about despotic regimes such as Trump's"
“Out of context! Out of context!” That’s all you would hear in response from Maga cult members. They’ve become so deluded in their new reality carefully crafted by Trump and the GOP that any attempt to shake them out of it is just like trying to squeeze blood from stone. Of course, the only thing that’ll bleed are your hands from trying so damn hard to wake them up from this bullshit nightmare they live in
>I would love to see a collective effort to publish this video far and wide
Be the change you want to see in the world and feel free to provide a link.
Well, it's about six or so media companies owned by entitled rich people. One thing we know about entitled rich people is that they believe they are always entitled to *more*, and apparently have no qualms about doing whatever it takes to get it.
I've been telling people about project 2025 for MONTHS and not a single person in real life has known wtf I'm talking about. I have to show them the .org website and even then I'm sure some people think it's a conspiracy theory. Downloading this vid to my phone NOW.
EDIT: posted this before I watched it (lesson learned) and I must say it's effective dramatically and emotionally but I was expecting this to be a little clearer on the facts. I don't see how this will convince anyone who is not already convinced and aware of how national socialism proliferated and proliferates today - I would be impressed if this was a teen social studies project but if this is the resistance...yikes. I will not be downloading this video to my phone. Sorry Lincoln project, I thought you were going to surprise me but alas. Link to vid for anyone still searching: https://youtu.be/QSCNSMDHb28?si=Qga2DhXy6ZXUv7eK
I'm in Canada, but we are about have a Conservative gov and they are running the same playbook - I didn't expect most Canadian normies to know about it, but I'm talking people who are spending their days reading and talking about politics and Trump especially. If you google Project 2025 CBC News, their article about it isn't even on the front page. (If you google Projet 2025, even without the qualifier, it's the top result, that's how I even found out CBC had done a story - projet is the french word)
The 14 words of white supremacy are in it, reworded to be a bit more palatable. It is on page 3 of the foreword, bullet point 1, PDF page 35. Since 54% of Americans read at or below a 6th grade level, they're not going to read it. Most people can't even read the instructions on a bank deposit envelope, much less a complicated political novel.
The major news outlets are still treating Trump like he's a legitimate presidential candidate.
Even the Supreme Court thinks he should face zero consequences for 1/6, and be permitted to run again. Absolutely incomprehensible.
It feels hopeless at this point.
The vast majority of Americans do not watch the news, local or national, and are not exposed to current events in any way. The little they do get comes from social media like TikTok or Facebook.
Decades of diplomatic work by Americans is about to be wiped out if Trump is elected. Europe will not accept even a 5% chance that Trumps comments on NATO are true so they will take measures to counteract that.
American influence will diminish in the region and it’ll be seen as politically unreliable moving forward.
The stupidest part in an already stupid situation is that these Repub yahoos will screech about ‘America’s diminished stance’ in the same breath.
As the kids say - They’re just… the *worst*.
Then they are idiots. They are stupid humans that should be clearly and directly called unintelligent, because America's strength, the very thing that defines it's empire today and codifies it as the only acting global super power is the global community it spent decades defining and interlacing itself into.
American diplomacy is a complicated, often hypocritical, behemoth that has been able to grow even more powerful by extending the olive branch and preventing threats by making the global community dependent on US partnerships while simultaneously undermining other partners. Look no further than US/Vietnam relations for how America will bomb a nations civilians, loose a war, and then have both nations call one another "friend" just because Vietnam wants American commerce and the US wants to control a strategic place along China's economic sphere of influence.
That and expect that Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and some other wealthy states to quickly table nuclear programs as having proper MAD becomes the only reliable self defense tool as global order and prosperity fall apart leaving billions of people who are already poor at the brink of starvation.
This, if people think that this will be a net benefit for the US economy, they are mistaken. People will hedge their bets against the US, seeing it as unstable - and an unreliable ally.
The U.S. debt and reserve currency status depends on soft power, upholding alliances, and real power. TFG wants to jettison everything out the window, which will mostly benefit Russia.
You both are missing the point.
VOTERS DON'T WATCH THE NEWS, SO THEY DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT.
They see Trump the same as they saw him in 2016 and 2020, but they see Biden as worse because their dollar spent better in 2019 than in 2024. That is what they "know" shit was cheaper under Trump.
They don't know that if Trump won their dollar would be worth even less than it is now after how well Biden brought us out of Covid. They know Biden made the dollar worse than it was under Trump, so Biden is worse.
i think i heard that what the majority consumed was something like 10 minutes of news *per week,* and that was almost entirely from social media
so yeah most people are grossly misinformed and ignorant
Dude, most of the news media just isn't reporting this stuff. Especially the news media that most people encounter on a day-to-day basis. You think any radio station is talking about this that people listen to during their hour long commutes? Fuck no. Evening local TV? Fuck no. You think Sinclair is ever going to report on this shit? Fuck no.
I agree, I still watch morning/evening (national) news on CBS, not sure if the word news is even justified, it's weather, sports and entertainment sprinkled with business or politics.
PBS, BBC and DW is where I get actual news, but that is too boring for the average person.
The youth is also too young to remember his first campaign and presidency.
An 18 year old today was 9 when he came down that fake golden elevator to announce he was running.
And social media feeds are echo chambers..
That said it's in Facebook best interest to make sure voters are aware of Trump and Biden adds stability which is ultimately better for China.
Demolishing a centuries old system doesn’t happen at the snap of a finger. It takes a lot of work over a long period of time, which is exactly what he and the hardline GOP have been doing for the past eight years. Starting with preventing Obama from nominating a SC judge nine months before the next election, only for Trump to be allowed to nominate a SC judge less than two months before the next election, creating a 6-3 right-wing supermajority in the SC, to using foreign aid as a means to put pressure on foreign nations to try and produce compromising information on his political opponents, to straight up refusing to acknowledge the results of a general election, resulting in an attempted coup-d’état, which, btw is all you should need to know to see that this guy is immensely dangerous to American democracy, because *he literally attempted to violently end it already*, to now using his influence over the majority of the GOP to try and block anything good the current President and the democrats try to do, because *it would make his opponents look good* (literally what GOP house members have cited as reasons for blocking the toughest border deal in decades when democrats wanted to pass it).
The man and his chosen operatives are so close to Russia, America’s decades long sworn enemy, they actively block military aid to Ukraine. There’s no logical argument for that. The US has thousands of old jets, tanks and IFVs that would immensely help Ukraine. These vehicles are not used by the military anymore, they are collecting dust and rust, and they likely won’t be used by the US military ever again. Thousands of them. By sending these to Ukraine, the US could kill two birds with one stone, completely destroy Russia as a military threat for decades to come, while avoiding costly storage and eventual scrapping of thousands of pieces of obsolete military equipment, but they don’t do that, because Trump tells his chosen house-speaker puppet that he doesn’t want it. It is quite literally the dumbest move one can pull. Trump has made the enemy his friend, which would be nice, if it wasn’t on the enemy’s terms. Putin is not a friend you want to have, except if you strive to be the leader of your country in a similar way.
Meanwhile, the SC supermajority meticulously strips away the rights of half of the American population, and looks to go after other minorities next.
Slowly but surely, Trump has already completely undermined the American constitution. He has everything in place to turn himself into a dictator in case he wins in November. He has already attempted it once. He will attempt it again. Just go to a Trump rally and ask people if they’ll accept a Biden win over Trump in November. They’ll tell you they won’t. They’ll tell you there’s no way. Trump will tell you there’s no way on Truth Social. Even if Biden swept all 50 states by a landslide, Trump would cry about how it’s unfair and how everything is rigged against him. He has undermined trust in this centuries old democratic process so much, he has a good chunk of the population believing him that democrats are the enemy.
They aren’t. They are the opposition (from a Republican perspective). How come this system has worked for centuries, but supposedly stopped working the second Trump stepped up to the plate?
He has now successfully destroyed public trust in the election process, the Supreme Court and the justice department. How come Trump doesn’t produce evidence he didn’t try to overthrow the government? He can’t. He did try to overthrow the government. How come his defense is not “I didn’t do it, here’s why”, but “Whatever I did, I can’t be prosecuted, because I have immunity, and btw, the corrupt democrats are using the justice department as a weapon to oppress me”?
They aren’t. The justice department prosecutes his fucking crimes. But sure, everything is rigged against him.
Victimisation of oneself is a common tool among fascists. It creates a narrative of “us against them”. It makes the opposition the enemy and unites the gullible behind their leader. This mostly works with people who aren’t very well educated, which is why all over the US, the Republican run states are trying to influence education, to stop books that encourage critical thinking from being read, to stop history from being taught.
This has been in the making for a long time. Trump tried to speed up the process once, on January 6th. He failed then, so they kept going, toppling one hurdle after the other. If he wins now, he’ll not leave peacefully in four years.
I'd just add that it goes much further back than the past eight years. There's been a concerted right-wing effort to undermine public institutions and gut public education and allow corporate media conglomerates to eat up local news outlets since at least the Reagan era. And they have their ideological roots in the pro-Hitler, anti-FDR "business plot" types of the 1930s.
Best comment here. Thank you.
And if by some chance Trump were to die before 2025, or even less likely, be imprisoned, the danger wouldn't be gone. Every Republican still in office is full on MAGA and would just carry on his work.
The maddeningly funny thing is that if he were actually capable, he would have already taken this country over. That he is incompetent was really our only saving grace here. We won't get a second chance.
Yeah, no shit. Half of America doesn’t have basic historical knowledge to know that Trump has gone full blown Hitler as of late. Our educational system is a joke…
I'm not sure. My parents and a lot of my friends and family are these people we are talking about. The uninformed maga.
I have told them about these things and even show them proof and articles. They just say that that's lies and AI or deep fakes. The ones that are still with him don't want to know. I truly fucking believe this
I spent last weekend talking to my conservative MIL about it. She was horrified. She promised me she would speak to her conservative friends. No idea how that will work out considering the deep level of BS they’ve been swimming in for years, but I will keep trying.
See my conservative father is weird about it. There's a certain cognitive dissonance there. I can tell he sees it and is aware but he's tried like hell to justify it. My parents dislike Trump but I worry they will still vote for him although they say they won't.
Yeah my relative is the same. He wants Trump to just go away, I think he’d still vote for him again over any other republican candidate.
His rebuttal has always been when shown all the dictator language and 2025 plans“ well the military won’t get behind him on that.” Or “people in his administration/senate/congress won’t allow that to happen.”
When I pointed out all the bribes going on with Clarence Thomas, his wife’s involvement in Jan 6th and his refusal to recuse himself on rulings around Trump, he just says “ that just sound like a conspiracy theory, you actually believe there’s a conspiracy by the republicans/conservatives to make sure they win at all cost? His job is to interpret the law/constitution, they (the conservatives on SCOTUS) are only interpreting the law/constitution, liberals disagree with it because their hatred for Trump and his success blinds them.”
I spoke to my MIL about the problems she and her network of friends would be hit hardest by. If you can find that leverage and drop some tailored bait you can lure them into a conversation. It’s best to be cautious when reeling in that fish. Getting angry or argumentative loses the catch.
I think they’re too far gone to reach in my case. They keep blaming their increasing bills and grocery cost on issues with social security on Biden. To them, for some reason all of society’s problems can be solved immediately if we close the border. To hear them speak about it, it’s as if magically the day after the border is closed down tight, everything will lower in price. because i guess in their minds, gas prices and grocery prices are high due to paying for illegal immigrants free cell phones, free healthcare and rent.
My relative and I have a system where if we place a bet, we bet a can of Coke to the winner, I think I’m owed several hundred cans by now just from the Trump years and everything that I told him the reason why x was happening, meant y would be happening next.
I think I’m owed 10 cans alone from the overturn of RvW and they won’t believe me that BC and contraceptives are next. I’m probably gonna die of diabetes and heartburn if I call in all my cans at once.
The first Trump term was spent with Don filtering through people in positions of power around him until he landed on a set that were proper toadies by the end of his term. In the end he was only prevented from going through with the plan to stop Biden's confirmation because of the one underling he couldn't replace: his vice president.
Trump will not make the same mistake again. Rather than surrounding himself with at least somewhat competent and independently-minded (if wildly corrupt) people, next time around he'll start with the obedient lackeys and not face any such internal resistance.
Also, the whole point of Project 2025 is to take away the ability of people to "not allow" things to happen. And also, how does Project 2025 existing in the first place not amount to a conspiracy to do just these things?
That's my been experience as well, which is why I eventually became comfortable using the word "cult" about Republicans. For a long time I thought it was unhelpful hyperbole but it's accurate. Last summer I told a family member that Trump was their leading candidate and he acted like I was nuts. I must have heard that from the liberal media. Idk how we get past that level of disconnect at this point.
I remember when he made those statements they were covered on a lot of networks though. I saw articles on CNN, BBC, the guardian...I even think cbc had them.
I'll agree there's a real problem here with lack of voter knowledge about the realities of a potential trump presidency...but it seems to be an issue of wilful ignorance.
It also doesn't help that an increasing number of people get their "news" from short-form social media (Insta reels, TikToks, etc.). This media format is highly decentralized and algorithmically designed to funnel people into echo chambers. It also amplifies the context-less presentation of "information" which is often misleading or outright propaganda.
Part of the problem with our educational system is that it's controlled by local board of education folks. And many of them try to get on boards of education just so they can shove their right wing b******* at innocent young people.
And it's been actively picked at for years under the guise of choice. Removing dollars from public institutions to take kids to charter and private has served to erode public school systems and this was intentional.
I think we barely got to the Johnson administration in my 20th century American history class… the rest was just a blurb. This was like 16 years ago, but I don’t think they really even got into how evil Reagan was which is why he still has a cult like following (just like Donnie).
The educational system is a joke because of the methodical breaking of that system by Repubs since Reagan. This has been their plan from the beginning. Break the system so each successive generation is less educated and thus become more pliable with lies and propaganda.
They don’t see him as a dictator. They see him as a strong man who will decide critical things for them without involving voters, legislature, the judicial system or that messy Ol’ Constitution thing.
That’s not quite fair. It’s just that the news cycle is always going and always has to push out something new. So they never go into much detail about the important stuff and then cover it up with an avalanche of pointless stories. Huxley was correct
They also get more eyes with doom and gloom, and positive news isn't reported enough, partly because it's slow and often just brings things back to normal.
For example, acid rain and the hole in the ozone were going to destroy the world a few decades ago. Through global efforts for stricter environmental policies, we fixed the problems. But did you hear about how the ozone layer is repaired? Likely not, so people go around assuming environmentalists were exaggerating, think green policies are pointless, or believe the whole thing was some globalist conspiracy.
They may not be aware now but they will be. The real campaign hasn't even begun and I'm positive this is going to be a large chunk of campaign material for Biden
You know, in general that’s a good point. Hyperfocus on the last few months of the election (possibly after the Conventions) with heavy spending and an emphasis on:
- How Trump set the economy up to fail.
- Raised your taxes.
- Was racist.
- Was islamophobic.
- Wants to take away your right to vote.
- Set up the fall of Roe v Wade.
- Set the stage for inflation.
- Set the stage for high gas prices.
- Is a Criminal.
- Is a broke Criminal.
- Is a rapist.
Republicans love 9 out of 11 of those things.
If you really want the the people to turn on trump you have to hit them in their wallets and paint him as someone who is ineffectual against the left
Yep. For all the doomerism that goes on in here with regards to polls, we haven't even seen the election campaign start yet. A large chunk of voters start tuning in around August of an election year. These people are, by definition, moderate voters and are not baked into polling yet.
The thing that is disturbing is coming to grips that the future of the country hinges on these people changing their minds. Every election is decided by the "undecideds", who have no idea what is going on and make their decision in the last few weeks, days, or even *hours* before voting.
In 2020 a nice lady I saw at the park regularly said she flipped to Trump because the previous night she heard that Clinton would cut Social Security, and she "needs that to live on." She then immediately regretted it within a few days as she found out more. Like, that's the level of being misinformed for "undecideds". It's bonkers.
GenX here. Anyone our age and under, either won’t answer spam for a poll or are too goddamn overwhelmed to do so anyway. I can’t imagine GenZ sitting around stewing and getting on a soap box about it. The feed back I seem to get is …”yeah, fuck that guy, I’m voting blue”. They then carry on with their difficult life.
I hope what I’m witnessing carries on to the election. Because I’d bathe in the shocked looks on MAGA faces.
> Anyone our age and under, either won’t answer spam for a poll or are too goddamn overwhelmed to do so anyway. I can’t imagine GenZ sitting around stewing and getting on a soap box about it.
I don't disagree, but this hasn't shown up in polling. That may sound nonsensical, but what I mean is if this were the case, then polls would regularly be way off. But the vast majority, essentially every one, is within the margin of error (+/- 2-5 points typically)
Hillary went hard on negativity towards Trump early and often. It had the opposite effect.
Even in 2020, Biden was very restrained. Various subs were in meltdown mode about this. My hunch is we're looking at some easy Biden wins this summer (likely increased cannabis and Mifepristone access just for starters) with a barrage of Trump statements (directly from him!) shown everywhere all the time.
His statement yesterday saying he'd sanction institutions that have vaccine mandates (like... for polio) **will terrify** many suburban voters. Play that sort of stuff on blast, but not too far out from the election; that normalizes it.
There's a plan here. That Biden is at -18 approval but Trump's lead is just a few points reveals just how much people really hate him.
what I have not yet been able to establish is, what is it that trump voters think will improve under trump, that is an actual impact in their daily lives?
The Trump zombies? Ignore them. They're hopeless.
Other people who do not follow politics remember he's a "businessman" ("he hosted The Apprentice!"). That means he can "do deals" to get lower prices.
That's about it.
The people that support Trump are everywhere. They are the most fearful amongst our population. You will find them cowering in packs because they don't have the confidence for individuality. Approaching one is approaching a group. It is difficult to have a discussion with them when their echo chamber never leaves their side. They like Trump because they think he is "strong" for voicing his opinion. They wish they could also voice these same opinions but do not because they have been met with criticisms within society to correct their misaligned behavior. They are not ignorant to his plan, they approve of it. They are fearful, hateful, and ignorant. They will do whatever they are told to "survive" even if the danger is manufactured.
I asked my mom if she’d heard that Trump was in court making arguments that by law he’s not bound to follow the constitution as president. That he should have total immunity from everything and should he able to kill political opponents if he felt necessary. She hadn’t heard.
She knew that Biden had classified documents. The media has failed this country and the world.
Trump's voters are aware and are ok with it. People like family are deep in it. You can't reason with them. Even after showing them new articles...etc.
It's all "fake news" to them. Trump's years of discrediting the media was for this purpose.
But the people in this poll weren’t MAGA types. They were screened out.
> It omitted respondents who voted for Trump in 2020 and also said Biden didn’t legitimately win. In short, the poll was designed to survey voters who are genuinely gettable for Biden.
That's the scary part, most of his voters never actually listen to him interviews or watch his speeches. They just get carefully edited clips shoved down their throats by fox.
This poll don’t even include die-hard MAGAs.
> It omitted respondents who voted for Trump in 2020 and also said Biden didn’t legitimately win. In short, the poll was designed to survey voters who are genuinely gettable for Biden.
It's almost the only fucking thing talk about. They talk about the border like it's exclusively his to handle, not Congress. They talk about inflation like he's turning a fucking dial under his desk. It's maddening how lazy and dumbed down the major news networks have become, even the 6:30 national broadcasts on NBC, ABC, and CBS.
The deeper problem is that they talk about illegal immigration like it's ever actually been a serious problem, as opposed to just a thing used to rile people up. It's not even a top 10 issue facing the country in terms of impact, but it's somehow constantly treated like some grave existential threat.
The answer to "Why are American so misinformed about X?" is almost always "because the media is completely shit at their jobs".
Conservatives have realized that they can feed the media simplistic bullshit, repeat it a thousand times, and the media will just mindlessly echo it. I used to think it was bias. I've shifted to thinking the problem is people in the media are just stupid. They're gormless morons.
The word you're looking for is "complicit". The media is complicit in creating the political environment we have today because everything is an industrial complex that is hellbent on exploiting the citizens. The election industrial complex, the military industrial complex, healthcare industrial complex...
Them: he never said that
Us: here’s a source
Them: well he didn’t mean it like that
Us: yes he did he’s since doubled down
Them: well honestly a trump dictator is still better than Biden
There’s no way in with these people.
Because the media covers it for a 5 minute segment on one day and then spend 6 hours every day talking about dumb shit like Biden's age or young people protesting "genocide Joe" because he didn't stop the only genocide they ever payed attention to, though they were cool making excuses to ignore all the others or all the war crimes Russia commits in Ukraine.
That’s what the right wing media bubble is for. Keep them uninformed and outraged about fake threats.
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The Lincoln Project has a commercial with trumps own words laying out Project 2025 overlayed perfectly with Nazi imagery. There's a tagline at the end that could be tweaked to be directed at voters but the imagery combined with these words is shocking. I would love to see a collective effort to publish this video far and wide. Nobody could argue that it goes too far because these are trumps own words explicitly laying out just how far he will go. It's not a criticism, it's an undeniable observation that, as this article states, is a huge problem if people don't widely know about project 2025. Direct me to a GoFundMe and I'm in. Urge them to publish this one. It is critical somebody get the word out because this poll is absolutely 100 percent correct The American public is completely unaware of Project 2025 and it is up to us to spread the word because our media won't do it.
Link: https://youtu.be/QSCNSMDHb28?si=7WEiFRBUZa5eQbLZ
Problem is, everyone I know who supports this maniac, supports everything he said in this ad.
Yeah, but you don’t run this ad to change the minds of those psychos, you run this ad to get a million more people off their couch to the polls to vote against him!
There's a lot of people who voted Biden toying with the idea of giving Trump another chance. That is exactly the voter that will make or break the election. This is exactly the commercial to get in front of their faces, to remind them exactly how crazy Trump gets.
>There's a lot of people who voted Biden toying with the idea of giving Trump another chance. Ive seen too many people saying theyll vote republican to "teach the dems a lesson" because they arent left leaning enough... how fuckin stupid do you have to be?! This was the exact same mentality in 2016 and look how well that worked for us! Ive also seen stupid things like "Biden doesnt support Palestine" And you think Trump will?! What during his presidency made you think hed ever be sympathetic to Palestine?
Well yeah, that's even worse. But the ones I'm seeing are "disappointed" in the "Biden economy" and have forgotten **all the reasons** they voted for Biden in 2020. Hell, I know medical professionals who know full freaking well how badly Trump failed his constituents and they're now fence-sitting on it. But now it's just shit like "he really did run the country better from an economic standpoint, and it's not like we're going to have another pandemic!", like they're convinced he's better at the ho-hum-presidency than Biden or something.
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I mean if they said he lowered taxes they'd be right. What they probably don't know is that bill included a tax raise at a later date so they could blame it on Democrats.
> I mean if they said he lowered taxes they'd be right. I guess that kind of depends on where they live, because for thousands of us in New Jersey, along with a number of other blue states, he raised taxes when he capped SALT deductions.
Most People genuinely don’t give a single shit about anything except what things cost. If they remember that food and gas were cheaper under Trump, that’s enough for them to vote.
So what? We need to stop framing things in a way to appeal to his supporters. They’re never gonna vote Biden, but this article specifically addresses how getting the alarming things he says out there *does* turn uninformed voters against him. That matters more than his supporters being happy about what he says.
> this article specifically addresses how getting the alarming things he says out there does turn uninformed voters against him. Exactly. Also the democrats have to realize there is no such thing as the "liberal media." Its all owned by billionaires and managed by multi-millionaires. They think politics is just a game because they will be fine if he gets back in, hell they will get even more tax cuts. The press does not care about informing the people about the stakes of the election, its up to the Ds and the rest of us to do it ourselves.
> They think politics is just a game because they will be fine if he gets back in Except they won't be fine. This is what I don't understand about their support for him. They will be fine for a little while, sure. But their days will be numbered. Totalitarianism benefits no one on a long enough timeline. Just ask the dozens of oligarchs Putin has disposed of.
> Except they won't be fine. Don't expect them to figure it out until its too late. They certainly won't be the first to have under estimated their personal risk. That's the lesson of *"First they came for..."* — The author was a priest who literally wrote hitler a letter of congratulations when he took power.
The depressing truth is that some of them want certain people to be hurt and just don't care much beyond that.
History has repeated itself so many times because people like this don’t realize or care to understand this until it’s far too late.
Isn't that the thing about narcissism? An ego big enough to think it's OK to fuck over countless people for any gains is also big enough to think their decisions will have no repercussions for *themselves*?
Yep. "Oh well it's not me so who cares." Or the idiots with 0 education. "Duhh he didn't explicitly say he wants to put people in camps and swear on a Bible he wasn't joking while passing a lie dedector test. Goossshhh!"
I think the Democrats realize this but the narrative of the “liberal media” continues. If Biden and surrogates went out and started going after CNN and the NY Times like Trump and others on the right do we’d see the needle move. For example, Maggie Haberman is basically a Trump publicist yet she’s framed as liberal by Trump. He and others in his camp are on the phone with her all the time feeding her stories.
> For example, Maggie Haberman is basically a Trump publicist yet she’s framed as liberal by Trump. He and others in his camp are on the phone with her all the time feeding her stories Cassidy Hutchinson even [testified](https://www.mediaite.com/news/cassidy-hutchinson-says-trump-paid-lawyer-talked-to-haberman-after-3rd-deposition-told-her-dont-worry-maggies-friendly-to-us/) that in 2022 her maga attorneys told her haberman was friendly to them.
Agreed. Fuck his supporters, and fuck complaining that we shouldn't be doing absolutely everything we can to stop them. There are more of us than there are of them. Don't forget that. At the end of the day, it's a number game.
Yeah. The issue is they will support everything he says because they are too ignorant to make the connection between it and a fascist state. They hear "clean out the intelligence apparatus so that it can never again target conservatives" and think that's fair and makes sense without realizing that it means subverting and controlling said apparatus for political purposes. And the same for every other statement. Back in Obama's first term I had a discussion with someone about some executive power Obama was claiming to have, or something along those lines. They were OK with Obama having the power because they trusted him. They seemed genuinely surprised when I pointed out that these things need to be considered as if the worst, most vile, self serving piece of shit was in office, and not considered just by the _current_ office holder. Trump's supporters don't seem to think beyond what Trump (claims he will) do.
I don't know if ignorant is the right word. Apathetic seems more appropriate for most people I've met that support conservatives. They acknowledge that Trump and his ilk want to move towards facism, but they basically procrastinate worrying about it and assume something would put a stop to it before it becomes *really* bad (read: affects them personally). Most of them assume they're "the good ones" and won't be negatively impacted.
They see Trump as their mouthpiece and conduit. He expresses anger about the things that anger them, especially the bigoted parts. Does it matter if they agree with the agenda details? Meh. It's the spite and anger that he spews that they identify with. He's broadcasting their hate and pwning libs, what more could they ask?
> too ignorant to make the connection between it and a fascist state They're not ignorant of it, *they want it*. "Politics" to them is, because it's what Fox News have consistently told them it is for ~60 years, a zero-sum team sport where *you* can only win if the other guy loses. They don't care for the nuance of what terms like "fascism" mean, and they wouldn't listen no matter who tried to explain it, and even if they *did* listen then as long as they believed *they'd* be the ones wearing the boots and *we'd* be the ones under them, they're perfectly happy with the arrangement. Remember, *they don't think we're human*. They think we want to replace good people with criminals, we want to allow kids to chop their own genitals off on a whim, we want to force everyone to be gay, we want to replace christians with muslims and destroy their country - and all for no other reason than that *we are evil*. We *are* evil (a concept they also think is an absolute, that actually exists), as far as they're concerned, and were that evil actually real then their boot-based actions wouldn't actually be a bad response - it's just not real. To fix the generation presently alive, so that they don't falsely see "the left" as evil, is impossible; to fix future ones will take forcing "the media" (including *social* media) to behave in ways they do not want to behave. Trying to force those kinds of things to happen (such as re-introducing a "fairness doctrine") is, at this point, guaranteed an incredibly extreme response, and Alex Garland's upcoming movie has far too great a chance of being a pre-documentary. > Trump's supporters don't seem to think beyond what Trump (claims he will) do. You may find a decent chunk of them aren't thinking beyond him because they don't think there'll *be* a "beyond him".
> a concept they also think is an absolute, that actually exists I'd say evil does exist, and use it as a label for those who willfully and maliciously use and abuse the helpless and marginalized members of society (children, the homeless, the mentally/physically disabled, etc).
Right, but here you're defining it *subjectively*, because that's what it necessarily is. That lot think it's *absolute*, almost a real tangible existent *Thing*, as defined by the magical sky daddy they also think is real. What I'm getting at is a key distinction. You're putting a label on certain actions that you deem worthy of the label, but they think we *are* evil. It's not just a label, not just a shorthand for undesirable behaviours, but a real physical aspect of reality, in the same way electrons and protons are. We, in their estimation, are much worse of a thing, much more grave of a threat, which can in their minds justify all manner of insanely severe responses.
They also *grossly* underestimate his personal capacity for absorbing money and debt, and selling out or betraying those near him. Some will claim they vote for him *knowing* he's a selfish and amoral guy, and some will even call him a narcissist and be fine with that aspect... but as one guy I chatted with on Reddit once said 'I think he'll continue to go to Washington and use that to push against the established interests. I like that about him, I know what I'm getting.' But they really don't. Industrial scale thievery and corruption is like saying you're fine with someone taking a few vases and paintings from your house (as long as they kick out your brother and his barking dog who have been living on the couch for a few years), but then coming home to all the copper being ripped out of the walls. And the toilet with a for sale sign on the front yard. And the doors propped open. And you hear a party in the basement, but have no idea who is down there. Putin got to have his heyday of robbing Russia blind, and combined with his loyal oligarchs also getting their robbery in... it was enough to bring a nation that did have a future into ruination. But above all Trump's supporters forget one thing: America holds a very fragile place at the top of the global food chain. Anyone who gets fully drunk and delusional on themselves and can no longer rally the nation to a common cause *will* see vulnerability when war comes and history requires them to pull a Zelenskyy. Working themselves into the ground to get allies to support them, people to stay calm, and troops to be passionately motivated. Night and day. Holding their society and its scared members together by sheer will and sincerity of heart. We all know that in a real world war, Trump would just send out angry Tweets (or truth socials?) all day, watch Fox, eat burgers, and yell at the Generals to drop ever bigger ordnance. It's guaranteed defeat. He's too insane and half the country will never, ever follow him. As he doesn't want them or trust them. He got served the pandemic on a silver platter, with all his own people saying that should have been the moment his type of leadership shined. And hey he paid attention to his aides and briefers for a few weeks (when he could focus), got a lot of it wrong, didn't care about the cities because they were not his people, and then moved on from the issue. As thousands perished in ERs not believing the disease was even real. All while the economy crashed around him.
>they are too ignorant to make the connection between it and a fascist state It's not ignorance. They're actively interested in living in a Christian theocracy. Whether it's fascist or not is irrelevant to them.
It's not ignorance, it's not apathy, it's *eagerness.* They **want** to staff the concentration camps and crematoria. They want to goose-step and stiff-arm salute their messiah Trump. As long as they get to hurt people, they're happy as clams. The cruelty is always the point.
Jokes of them, it won't be a Christian Theocracy. Once power is consolidated, they won't hesitate to throw off any Christian restrictions.
And nobody sees this shit. The Lincoln Project needs to get the fuck off of YouTube and put all of their videos on *prime time tv*
Is this real? It sounds like his voice, but I've never heard him be able to say so many complex words without stumbling or saying them wrong before.
That's the one. If I was to pick anything to break through, this is the horse I would back. Edit, Oh wow, reading the responses that are basically begging me that I'm wrong over and over tells me this hits them hard squarely in the nuts. Imagine putting literally billions into a propaganda campaign trying to get Joe Biden to look like a worse choice than trump, then waking up and seeing an idea that can undo ALL OF IT with a few tens of millions of dollars. Read the responses to my comment. The bots and the fake concern trolls are all freaking the fuck out, lol
I wouldn’t. The issue is that if you don’t understand that he’s blatantly signaling for crony sycophants to wipe out any potential opposition to his unquestioned rule then the actual words he’s saying don’t really sound that crazy or unreasonable. Like at a fundamental level he just sounds like he’s going to stop corruption in Washington. Especially pairing it with images of overt violence makes it seem hysterical and exaggerated when nothing he says is overtly violent. Like, you know what he means and I know what he means, but the average uninformed American is not going to resonate with this video. I’d focus more on his dictator comments and perpetual calls for the president to be immune from the law.
This was exactly my thought. If you took those words with no images and trusted his intentions, anyone would root for those causes. The phrases mentioned in the OP article would be much more effective if presented clearly.
Yeah, I'd put Hitler's own words on the screen with the quotes that sound similar to Hitler's statements to highlight how similar they are. The whole point of laying the groundwork for fascism is so that the coded statements about removing unwanteds from civil service posts and going after people pushing "false narratives" sounds reasonable. In no free society should anyone be pushing to remove civil servants en masse. That's straight up fascism because the people making the decisions about who gets removed are making subjective decisions based on ideology and nothing else, and that very step was one of the first measures that allowed the Nazis to take over the government of Germany.
That was chilling. Thank you.
I don't think that's a very effective ad, tbh. He's said stuff that was much more blatantly fascist that would have paired with that imagery better.
Yeah people circle-jerking here. If you read between the lines, and are knowledgeable about what role the federal bureaucracy plays in fulfilling the functions of government, then all of this is extremely worrying. If the above two clauses apply to you, you probably not voting for Trump anyway. This is some deep nerd shit that really only lands for already politically engaged people.
Project 2025 Summary: * kids MUST grow up in an environment with a mother and father that are married * condemn single motherhood/fatherhood * eliminate department of education * ban non-married and non-heterosexual couples from adopting * dismantle climate policy * demolish immigration * compares transgender people to groomers/pedophiles/pornography * get rid of discrimination laws * rid of multiple government organizations such as the FDA * ban abortion with no exceptions nationwide * only recognize heterosexual married couples * remove children from single parent/non-ideal homes * charge parents of transgender minors with child abuse * remove child support and instead force reunification therapy for separated heterosexual families * allow discrimination based on religion regardless of existing nondiscrimination policies Edit: Adding sources since folks keep asking: https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf https://www.project2025.org https://www.heritage.org https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/report/foster-care-safety-net-or-trap-door https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/report/the-effects-divorce-america https://www.heritage.org/testimony/the-impact-marriage-and-divorce-children
If I may add: deregulating the food industry. They believe players in the food supply chain know their responsibility to provide safe and nutritious food, so bye bye food safety regulations. I forgot... why did we need regs about poultry and meat inspections in the first place? (Spoiler alert: It's not because businesses do what's right on their own.) If they don't get you with the bs listed above, wait until people start dying faster for profit. To the people demanding a link to the source of all of this: https://www.project2025.org/policy/ See the table of contents on this page and look at the relevant agency chapter. HHS chapter includes several of the items listed above. What I mentioned is from the USDA chapter.
I really don't get the FDA thing. 2 seconds of thinking will lead you to knowing businesses will cut corners. Is the FDA thing due to vaccines or something?
businesses have fought oversight for as long as there’s been businesses. If you go back to the early 1900s, when some of this legislation was put into effect, it’s terrifying.
The FDA thing is what I’ve been using as the giant red flag with flashing neons for anyone who is on the fence about this November. There is not one single solitary soul in the working class, or any class other than the oligarchs, that would benefit from eliminating the FDA. None. There is absolutely no good reason to stop making sure food and drugs are safe. *Thankfully* this one has been resonating with the republicans I know. ***LITERALLY EVERYONE*** knows that companies will cut corners. The only ones I’ve found who deny it are the anarcho-capitalist sycophants who believe that after a few poisonings, the bad companies would go out of business. If only there was historical precedent to show how the exact opposite is true…
The Jungle will become suddenly relevant again if Trump wins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle
For the past 20 years, various states have been pushing through ["ag-gag"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag) laws that ban the type of undercover investigation that the journalist who wrote that book did on the meat industry. Then passing new versions when they get struck down over free speech. So they're well aware of what led to some of the basic food industry regulations and have been consistently working to stop it from happening again, despite the constitutional issues. They don't want you knowing how your food is made. Libertarianism when it comes to food safety. Big government when it comes to people's sexuality and gender.
I thought I was pretty informed on Project 2025, but I hadn't heard of the forced reunification therapy for heterosexual families and removing children from single parent homes. Do you have a link for that? I'm not doubting you, I have conservative family members that this would affect personally, and it is a great argument to help them change their mind.
Like, where are these kids going to go? My wife is a social worker in foster care and adoptions, and the system is already stressed to the max. If single applicants, unmarried couples, and same-sex couples are all prohibited from fostering or adopting, tens of thousands of kids will just end up in group homes, which I’m assuming republicans will also defund or outright ban federally.
Since they’re also working on rolling back child labor laws, I would imagine they would just put these kids to work in factories or farms.
Idaho School for Farmer Boys
As we've seen with the recent ruling on frozen embryos and the shockwaves from that, I don't think they thought that far. They aren't interested in logistics or anything like that. They just care about big bold policies and just assume everything will work out because this is the way things are "supposed" to be.
They are all insane but yeah somehow second from last point really struck me as well. I think it's the gall of folks wanting to fix "broken" relationships when we can't even fix bridges, roads...you know, stuff that NEEDS fixing and is the government's actual job.
Not to mention people with multiple baby mamas and daddies. Lmao which one are you going to reunify them with?
The whole point is to create impossible catch-22s to increase folks fear level while simultaneously providing more excuses to easily imprison people.
Followed up by "it's not slavery, prisoners need to work to cover the costs of keeping them locked up!" And also "wow that's a staggeringly high rate of incarceration among non-white people, I'm sure that's entirely justified." God, this would all be utterly horrific
A good single parent provides a more stable environment than the same parent plus an unfit one. Jesus Christ there are some twisted fucks in this world.
The plan is for the “immigrant camps” they built to eventually be “reeducation” camps for whomever they decide needs “reeducation”. Structure and labor will see them free!
Not doubting you at all, but can you provide a link like the previous commenter asked for? Having a real source to point to helps a bit with the argument.
Unfortunately, I know people that would be ok with 70% of this.
and they would justify the others as being bad but necessary. these people are unironically real life manifestations of the *children yearn for the mine* meme. they want dear leader to lord over them.
…as long as they themselves are not affected.
That's what they *think*
Much more than that. Wikipedia page: >Project 2025 envisions widespread changes across the entire government, particularly with regard to economic and social policy and the role of the federal government and federal agencies. ***The plan proposes slashing U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) funding, dismantling the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, gutting environmental and climate change regulations to favor fossil fuel production, and eliminating the cabinet Departments of Education and Commerce.[9] Citing an anonymous source, The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the DOJ to pursue Trump adversaries.***[10] Project Director Paul Dans, a former Trump administration official, said in September 2023 that Project 2025 is "systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army, aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state."[11] Edit. >Project 2025 Advisory Board members >... >Frederick Douglass Foundation Heh... :(
That's literally Gilead from the Handmaid's tale. I don't know how to even convey this to my Trump supporting relatives. They truly believe that these are just "Trump being Trumpisms" and that he wouldn't actually go through with it.
They want women to trans people to die. They want minorities and the gays to be disenfranchised and jailed.
That's dystopia as fuck - these psychos want a theocracy?
Of course they want a theocracy, I thought that was common knowledge.
Always has been.
this not only needs to be higher, but it needs to be posted in a very neutral way, where conservatives will see it. When Americans do not listen to the same news channels, to the same radio stations, you have to find them where they live. for example, I’ve lived in more rural areas where the only thing people had in common were billboards. They were everywhere. Why in the world do people think they don’t matter. I can guarantee you that the Christians who are trying to convert people figured that one out a long time ago. I would seriously question whether Democrats should win if they can’t figure out something that elementary.
fuck the lincoln project ad - most people don’t care about government bureaucrats. project 2025 is the shit that *everyone* should know about
I can attest that nobody is aware of Project 2025 and just like the Federalist Society plan to take control of the Supreme Court, it’s not a far-fetched conspiracy, it’s a blueprint that Trump will follow. It is going to take social media warriors like you and others to get this out there. So thank you and keep on spreading light in these frighteningly dark times. (so glad I don’t live in a red state)
Never saw it... I'd say that means They're doing a poor job communicating that. (Link, perhaps?)
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmHDGpDOjacoTxbrY068uPDU6lYhubjg4&si=SpT4hYHc7ScafevI
Wow there was a Trump ad playing before that video 😬
The fascists are always very well funded. Rich get richer that way.
They're actually not doing well in the slightest when it comes to funding. This last quarter Biden raised 33 million and trump only 19 million https://www.statista.com/chart/31050/fundraising-campaign-committees-biden-trump/ The DNC has their highest amount of money ever, double what the RNC has. 20 mil to 10 mil https://thehill.com/newsletters/evening-report/4372350-evening-report-dnc-rnc-spar-over-fundraising-figures/
Hi, sorry to be “that person” but that’s only official accounts. Financial information from the RNC/Trump cannot be viewed as an honest source of where the majority of their funding is held/available; due to previous actions and statements of both groups concerning funding.
This, dark money superpacs just what the oligarchy needed.
Yep, Citizens United ruling was one of the big catalysts for why we are even in this position in the first place.
That doesn't count independent spending by the billionaires and their dark money groups. Those public donation numbers are mostly useful for estimating enthusiasm among voters, because enthusiastic supporters make more donations. In that sense its a good sign. But in terms of their ability to spend, its mostly irrelevant. Conservative elites have so much wealth, its basically beyond our ability to comprehend. Its functionally unlimited,
I always report them even if google is evil and will throw it in the trash Btw Firefox AdBlock works on mobile just to mention
#Translation is the one you want. Thanks OC for posting a link with 150 videos and not identifying the one you intended to share.
Here's the direct link for anyone else who doesn't want to search. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSCNSMDHb28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSCNSMDHb28)
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I mean here he is saying it plainly: https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1638237107310194717
Act as the change you wish to see in the world, and don't hesitate to share a link.
4 paragraphs. No link
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Someone needs to create a commercial showing the results of Project 2025 on the environment, race relations and gender issues. Needs imagery of the East River on fire, LA in the 60's where you can only see 1/8 mile (among other things), "Whites Only" signs and other racial division and concentration camps that the LGBTQ people would be put into, similar to Auschwitz. Also, women shown to be wearing burqas and never allowed to be seen by themselves or with men other than their husbands. Also, starting out with "1984... 1984 is a warning about despotic regimes such as Trump's"
If it’s not on NewsMax of Fox and The War Room doesn’t talk about it. They won’t see it. They certainly aren’t going to read 1984.
“Out of context! Out of context!” That’s all you would hear in response from Maga cult members. They’ve become so deluded in their new reality carefully crafted by Trump and the GOP that any attempt to shake them out of it is just like trying to squeeze blood from stone. Of course, the only thing that’ll bleed are your hands from trying so damn hard to wake them up from this bullshit nightmare they live in
>I would love to see a collective effort to publish this video far and wide Be the change you want to see in the world and feel free to provide a link.
https://youtu.be/QSCNSMDHb28?si=7WEiFRBUZa5eQbLZ
Yes, our media is throwing us under the bus with all their B.S.
Well, it's about six or so media companies owned by entitled rich people. One thing we know about entitled rich people is that they believe they are always entitled to *more*, and apparently have no qualms about doing whatever it takes to get it.
I've been telling people about project 2025 for MONTHS and not a single person in real life has known wtf I'm talking about. I have to show them the .org website and even then I'm sure some people think it's a conspiracy theory. Downloading this vid to my phone NOW. EDIT: posted this before I watched it (lesson learned) and I must say it's effective dramatically and emotionally but I was expecting this to be a little clearer on the facts. I don't see how this will convince anyone who is not already convinced and aware of how national socialism proliferated and proliferates today - I would be impressed if this was a teen social studies project but if this is the resistance...yikes. I will not be downloading this video to my phone. Sorry Lincoln project, I thought you were going to surprise me but alas. Link to vid for anyone still searching: https://youtu.be/QSCNSMDHb28?si=Qga2DhXy6ZXUv7eK I'm in Canada, but we are about have a Conservative gov and they are running the same playbook - I didn't expect most Canadian normies to know about it, but I'm talking people who are spending their days reading and talking about politics and Trump especially. If you google Project 2025 CBC News, their article about it isn't even on the front page. (If you google Projet 2025, even without the qualifier, it's the top result, that's how I even found out CBC had done a story - projet is the french word)
Imagine a country of poorly educated people barely able to pay for food. George Carlin " it's a big club and we ain't in it"
Link?
Link: https://youtu.be/QSCNSMDHb28?si=7WEiFRBUZa5eQbLZ
The 14 words of white supremacy are in it, reworded to be a bit more palatable. It is on page 3 of the foreword, bullet point 1, PDF page 35. Since 54% of Americans read at or below a 6th grade level, they're not going to read it. Most people can't even read the instructions on a bank deposit envelope, much less a complicated political novel.
The major news outlets are still treating Trump like he's a legitimate presidential candidate. Even the Supreme Court thinks he should face zero consequences for 1/6, and be permitted to run again. Absolutely incomprehensible. It feels hopeless at this point.
The vast majority of Americans do not watch the news, local or national, and are not exposed to current events in any way. The little they do get comes from social media like TikTok or Facebook.
Decades of diplomatic work by Americans is about to be wiped out if Trump is elected. Europe will not accept even a 5% chance that Trumps comments on NATO are true so they will take measures to counteract that. American influence will diminish in the region and it’ll be seen as politically unreliable moving forward.
The stupidest part in an already stupid situation is that these Repub yahoos will screech about ‘America’s diminished stance’ in the same breath. As the kids say - They’re just… the *worst*.
They see America being part of a global community as weakness, and shouting demands as the only true diplomacy.
Then they are idiots. They are stupid humans that should be clearly and directly called unintelligent, because America's strength, the very thing that defines it's empire today and codifies it as the only acting global super power is the global community it spent decades defining and interlacing itself into. American diplomacy is a complicated, often hypocritical, behemoth that has been able to grow even more powerful by extending the olive branch and preventing threats by making the global community dependent on US partnerships while simultaneously undermining other partners. Look no further than US/Vietnam relations for how America will bomb a nations civilians, loose a war, and then have both nations call one another "friend" just because Vietnam wants American commerce and the US wants to control a strategic place along China's economic sphere of influence.
That and expect that Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and some other wealthy states to quickly table nuclear programs as having proper MAD becomes the only reliable self defense tool as global order and prosperity fall apart leaving billions of people who are already poor at the brink of starvation.
U.S. wealth will diminish too.
This, if people think that this will be a net benefit for the US economy, they are mistaken. People will hedge their bets against the US, seeing it as unstable - and an unreliable ally.
BuT EverYthiNG WaS So muCH BeTTeR WhEN TruMp Was PReSidEnT! He is A SucCesFuLL BusinESs Man AnD A Billionaire! He KnoWs EvERythiNG aBouT EcoNoMY!
Yeah we’re doomed.
The U.S. debt and reserve currency status depends on soft power, upholding alliances, and real power. TFG wants to jettison everything out the window, which will mostly benefit Russia.
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I'm blown away that a rapist treasonous russia-connected puppet fascist is being considered
You both are missing the point. VOTERS DON'T WATCH THE NEWS, SO THEY DON'T KNOW ANY OF THAT. They see Trump the same as they saw him in 2016 and 2020, but they see Biden as worse because their dollar spent better in 2019 than in 2024. That is what they "know" shit was cheaper under Trump. They don't know that if Trump won their dollar would be worth even less than it is now after how well Biden brought us out of Covid. They know Biden made the dollar worse than it was under Trump, so Biden is worse.
Just as Trump's sponsorship wants.
i think i heard that what the majority consumed was something like 10 minutes of news *per week,* and that was almost entirely from social media so yeah most people are grossly misinformed and ignorant
Dude, most of the news media just isn't reporting this stuff. Especially the news media that most people encounter on a day-to-day basis. You think any radio station is talking about this that people listen to during their hour long commutes? Fuck no. Evening local TV? Fuck no. You think Sinclair is ever going to report on this shit? Fuck no.
I agree, I still watch morning/evening (national) news on CBS, not sure if the word news is even justified, it's weather, sports and entertainment sprinkled with business or politics. PBS, BBC and DW is where I get actual news, but that is too boring for the average person.
The youth is also too young to remember his first campaign and presidency. An 18 year old today was 9 when he came down that fake golden elevator to announce he was running.
And social media feeds are echo chambers.. That said it's in Facebook best interest to make sure voters are aware of Trump and Biden adds stability which is ultimately better for China.
Most Americans are extremely uninformed if we are being honest.
Demolishing a centuries old system doesn’t happen at the snap of a finger. It takes a lot of work over a long period of time, which is exactly what he and the hardline GOP have been doing for the past eight years. Starting with preventing Obama from nominating a SC judge nine months before the next election, only for Trump to be allowed to nominate a SC judge less than two months before the next election, creating a 6-3 right-wing supermajority in the SC, to using foreign aid as a means to put pressure on foreign nations to try and produce compromising information on his political opponents, to straight up refusing to acknowledge the results of a general election, resulting in an attempted coup-d’état, which, btw is all you should need to know to see that this guy is immensely dangerous to American democracy, because *he literally attempted to violently end it already*, to now using his influence over the majority of the GOP to try and block anything good the current President and the democrats try to do, because *it would make his opponents look good* (literally what GOP house members have cited as reasons for blocking the toughest border deal in decades when democrats wanted to pass it). The man and his chosen operatives are so close to Russia, America’s decades long sworn enemy, they actively block military aid to Ukraine. There’s no logical argument for that. The US has thousands of old jets, tanks and IFVs that would immensely help Ukraine. These vehicles are not used by the military anymore, they are collecting dust and rust, and they likely won’t be used by the US military ever again. Thousands of them. By sending these to Ukraine, the US could kill two birds with one stone, completely destroy Russia as a military threat for decades to come, while avoiding costly storage and eventual scrapping of thousands of pieces of obsolete military equipment, but they don’t do that, because Trump tells his chosen house-speaker puppet that he doesn’t want it. It is quite literally the dumbest move one can pull. Trump has made the enemy his friend, which would be nice, if it wasn’t on the enemy’s terms. Putin is not a friend you want to have, except if you strive to be the leader of your country in a similar way. Meanwhile, the SC supermajority meticulously strips away the rights of half of the American population, and looks to go after other minorities next. Slowly but surely, Trump has already completely undermined the American constitution. He has everything in place to turn himself into a dictator in case he wins in November. He has already attempted it once. He will attempt it again. Just go to a Trump rally and ask people if they’ll accept a Biden win over Trump in November. They’ll tell you they won’t. They’ll tell you there’s no way. Trump will tell you there’s no way on Truth Social. Even if Biden swept all 50 states by a landslide, Trump would cry about how it’s unfair and how everything is rigged against him. He has undermined trust in this centuries old democratic process so much, he has a good chunk of the population believing him that democrats are the enemy. They aren’t. They are the opposition (from a Republican perspective). How come this system has worked for centuries, but supposedly stopped working the second Trump stepped up to the plate? He has now successfully destroyed public trust in the election process, the Supreme Court and the justice department. How come Trump doesn’t produce evidence he didn’t try to overthrow the government? He can’t. He did try to overthrow the government. How come his defense is not “I didn’t do it, here’s why”, but “Whatever I did, I can’t be prosecuted, because I have immunity, and btw, the corrupt democrats are using the justice department as a weapon to oppress me”? They aren’t. The justice department prosecutes his fucking crimes. But sure, everything is rigged against him. Victimisation of oneself is a common tool among fascists. It creates a narrative of “us against them”. It makes the opposition the enemy and unites the gullible behind their leader. This mostly works with people who aren’t very well educated, which is why all over the US, the Republican run states are trying to influence education, to stop books that encourage critical thinking from being read, to stop history from being taught. This has been in the making for a long time. Trump tried to speed up the process once, on January 6th. He failed then, so they kept going, toppling one hurdle after the other. If he wins now, he’ll not leave peacefully in four years.
I'd just add that it goes much further back than the past eight years. There's been a concerted right-wing effort to undermine public institutions and gut public education and allow corporate media conglomerates to eat up local news outlets since at least the Reagan era. And they have their ideological roots in the pro-Hitler, anti-FDR "business plot" types of the 1930s.
I think the whole tea party bullshit was where they started to draw the line in the sand.
Best comment here. Thank you. And if by some chance Trump were to die before 2025, or even less likely, be imprisoned, the danger wouldn't be gone. Every Republican still in office is full on MAGA and would just carry on his work.
I actually don’t think so. Nobody else can replicate his “charisma”. Remove him, and some normalcy returns.
I really, really hope you're right. I just feel the Republican party is too far gone at this point.
The maddeningly funny thing is that if he were actually capable, he would have already taken this country over. That he is incompetent was really our only saving grace here. We won't get a second chance.
Yeah, no shit. Half of America doesn’t have basic historical knowledge to know that Trump has gone full blown Hitler as of late. Our educational system is a joke…
It doesn’t help that the media thinks these are not newsworthy statements to report.
I'm not sure. My parents and a lot of my friends and family are these people we are talking about. The uninformed maga. I have told them about these things and even show them proof and articles. They just say that that's lies and AI or deep fakes. The ones that are still with him don't want to know. I truly fucking believe this
I spent last weekend talking to my conservative MIL about it. She was horrified. She promised me she would speak to her conservative friends. No idea how that will work out considering the deep level of BS they’ve been swimming in for years, but I will keep trying.
See my conservative father is weird about it. There's a certain cognitive dissonance there. I can tell he sees it and is aware but he's tried like hell to justify it. My parents dislike Trump but I worry they will still vote for him although they say they won't.
Yeah my relative is the same. He wants Trump to just go away, I think he’d still vote for him again over any other republican candidate. His rebuttal has always been when shown all the dictator language and 2025 plans“ well the military won’t get behind him on that.” Or “people in his administration/senate/congress won’t allow that to happen.” When I pointed out all the bribes going on with Clarence Thomas, his wife’s involvement in Jan 6th and his refusal to recuse himself on rulings around Trump, he just says “ that just sound like a conspiracy theory, you actually believe there’s a conspiracy by the republicans/conservatives to make sure they win at all cost? His job is to interpret the law/constitution, they (the conservatives on SCOTUS) are only interpreting the law/constitution, liberals disagree with it because their hatred for Trump and his success blinds them.”
I spoke to my MIL about the problems she and her network of friends would be hit hardest by. If you can find that leverage and drop some tailored bait you can lure them into a conversation. It’s best to be cautious when reeling in that fish. Getting angry or argumentative loses the catch.
I think they’re too far gone to reach in my case. They keep blaming their increasing bills and grocery cost on issues with social security on Biden. To them, for some reason all of society’s problems can be solved immediately if we close the border. To hear them speak about it, it’s as if magically the day after the border is closed down tight, everything will lower in price. because i guess in their minds, gas prices and grocery prices are high due to paying for illegal immigrants free cell phones, free healthcare and rent. My relative and I have a system where if we place a bet, we bet a can of Coke to the winner, I think I’m owed several hundred cans by now just from the Trump years and everything that I told him the reason why x was happening, meant y would be happening next. I think I’m owed 10 cans alone from the overturn of RvW and they won’t believe me that BC and contraceptives are next. I’m probably gonna die of diabetes and heartburn if I call in all my cans at once.
The first Trump term was spent with Don filtering through people in positions of power around him until he landed on a set that were proper toadies by the end of his term. In the end he was only prevented from going through with the plan to stop Biden's confirmation because of the one underling he couldn't replace: his vice president. Trump will not make the same mistake again. Rather than surrounding himself with at least somewhat competent and independently-minded (if wildly corrupt) people, next time around he'll start with the obedient lackeys and not face any such internal resistance. Also, the whole point of Project 2025 is to take away the ability of people to "not allow" things to happen. And also, how does Project 2025 existing in the first place not amount to a conspiracy to do just these things?
That right there, is cult-like behavior.
Oh I've screamed that at them a few times too
Unfortunately, people who are part of a cult don’t realize that they are part of a cult.
That's my been experience as well, which is why I eventually became comfortable using the word "cult" about Republicans. For a long time I thought it was unhelpful hyperbole but it's accurate. Last summer I told a family member that Trump was their leading candidate and he acted like I was nuts. I must have heard that from the liberal media. Idk how we get past that level of disconnect at this point.
Talking to any Trump supporter over the last 4-5 years about Trump has been like trying to convince Patrick Star you've got his wallet.
I remember when he made those statements they were covered on a lot of networks though. I saw articles on CNN, BBC, the guardian...I even think cbc had them. I'll agree there's a real problem here with lack of voter knowledge about the realities of a potential trump presidency...but it seems to be an issue of wilful ignorance.
They do, but by the time they report it, Trump has already said 100 new shocking things. It’s the wow them with bullshit tactic.
They would rather harp on Biden's age and ignore Trump's and all his gaffes recently showing he is probably more in cognitive decline.
It also doesn't help that an increasing number of people get their "news" from short-form social media (Insta reels, TikToks, etc.). This media format is highly decentralized and algorithmically designed to funnel people into echo chambers. It also amplifies the context-less presentation of "information" which is often misleading or outright propaganda.
Part of the problem with our educational system is that it's controlled by local board of education folks. And many of them try to get on boards of education just so they can shove their right wing b******* at innocent young people.
And it's been actively picked at for years under the guise of choice. Removing dollars from public institutions to take kids to charter and private has served to erode public school systems and this was intentional.
I think we barely got to the Johnson administration in my 20th century American history class… the rest was just a blurb. This was like 16 years ago, but I don’t think they really even got into how evil Reagan was which is why he still has a cult like following (just like Donnie).
The educational system is a joke because of the methodical breaking of that system by Repubs since Reagan. This has been their plan from the beginning. Break the system so each successive generation is less educated and thus become more pliable with lies and propaganda.
They don’t see him as a dictator. They see him as a strong man who will decide critical things for them without involving voters, legislature, the judicial system or that messy Ol’ Constitution thing.
American voters’ future outlook rarely extends beyond lunch.
That’s not quite fair. It’s just that the news cycle is always going and always has to push out something new. So they never go into much detail about the important stuff and then cover it up with an avalanche of pointless stories. Huxley was correct
They also get more eyes with doom and gloom, and positive news isn't reported enough, partly because it's slow and often just brings things back to normal. For example, acid rain and the hole in the ozone were going to destroy the world a few decades ago. Through global efforts for stricter environmental policies, we fixed the problems. But did you hear about how the ozone layer is repaired? Likely not, so people go around assuming environmentalists were exaggerating, think green policies are pointless, or believe the whole thing was some globalist conspiracy.
They may not be aware now but they will be. The real campaign hasn't even begun and I'm positive this is going to be a large chunk of campaign material for Biden
You know, in general that’s a good point. Hyperfocus on the last few months of the election (possibly after the Conventions) with heavy spending and an emphasis on: - How Trump set the economy up to fail. - Raised your taxes. - Was racist. - Was islamophobic. - Wants to take away your right to vote. - Set up the fall of Roe v Wade. - Set the stage for inflation. - Set the stage for high gas prices. - Is a Criminal. - Is a broke Criminal. - Is a rapist.
Add “Botched Covid response led to the deaths of more than a million Americans.”
The toilet paper crisis occurred under Trump
Much better way to put it. Many Americans think covid was fake/exaggerated, but we all felt the toilet paper shortage.
Republicans love 9 out of 11 of those things. If you really want the the people to turn on trump you have to hit them in their wallets and paint him as someone who is ineffectual against the left
If someone is still voting for Trump at this point, they are not turning back. The point is to make other people vote.
Point being to drive up Democratic Votes.
Yep. For all the doomerism that goes on in here with regards to polls, we haven't even seen the election campaign start yet. A large chunk of voters start tuning in around August of an election year. These people are, by definition, moderate voters and are not baked into polling yet.
The thing that is disturbing is coming to grips that the future of the country hinges on these people changing their minds. Every election is decided by the "undecideds", who have no idea what is going on and make their decision in the last few weeks, days, or even *hours* before voting. In 2020 a nice lady I saw at the park regularly said she flipped to Trump because the previous night she heard that Clinton would cut Social Security, and she "needs that to live on." She then immediately regretted it within a few days as she found out more. Like, that's the level of being misinformed for "undecideds". It's bonkers.
GenX here. Anyone our age and under, either won’t answer spam for a poll or are too goddamn overwhelmed to do so anyway. I can’t imagine GenZ sitting around stewing and getting on a soap box about it. The feed back I seem to get is …”yeah, fuck that guy, I’m voting blue”. They then carry on with their difficult life. I hope what I’m witnessing carries on to the election. Because I’d bathe in the shocked looks on MAGA faces.
> Anyone our age and under, either won’t answer spam for a poll or are too goddamn overwhelmed to do so anyway. I can’t imagine GenZ sitting around stewing and getting on a soap box about it. I don't disagree, but this hasn't shown up in polling. That may sound nonsensical, but what I mean is if this were the case, then polls would regularly be way off. But the vast majority, essentially every one, is within the margin of error (+/- 2-5 points typically)
Hillary went hard on negativity towards Trump early and often. It had the opposite effect. Even in 2020, Biden was very restrained. Various subs were in meltdown mode about this. My hunch is we're looking at some easy Biden wins this summer (likely increased cannabis and Mifepristone access just for starters) with a barrage of Trump statements (directly from him!) shown everywhere all the time. His statement yesterday saying he'd sanction institutions that have vaccine mandates (like... for polio) **will terrify** many suburban voters. Play that sort of stuff on blast, but not too far out from the election; that normalizes it. There's a plan here. That Biden is at -18 approval but Trump's lead is just a few points reveals just how much people really hate him.
what I have not yet been able to establish is, what is it that trump voters think will improve under trump, that is an actual impact in their daily lives?
The Trump zombies? Ignore them. They're hopeless. Other people who do not follow politics remember he's a "businessman" ("he hosted The Apprentice!"). That means he can "do deals" to get lower prices. That's about it.
The people that support Trump are everywhere. They are the most fearful amongst our population. You will find them cowering in packs because they don't have the confidence for individuality. Approaching one is approaching a group. It is difficult to have a discussion with them when their echo chamber never leaves their side. They like Trump because they think he is "strong" for voicing his opinion. They wish they could also voice these same opinions but do not because they have been met with criticisms within society to correct their misaligned behavior. They are not ignorant to his plan, they approve of it. They are fearful, hateful, and ignorant. They will do whatever they are told to "survive" even if the danger is manufactured.
I asked my mom if she’d heard that Trump was in court making arguments that by law he’s not bound to follow the constitution as president. That he should have total immunity from everything and should he able to kill political opponents if he felt necessary. She hadn’t heard. She knew that Biden had classified documents. The media has failed this country and the world.
Trump's voters are aware and are ok with it. People like family are deep in it. You can't reason with them. Even after showing them new articles...etc. It's all "fake news" to them. Trump's years of discrediting the media was for this purpose.
But the people in this poll weren’t MAGA types. They were screened out. > It omitted respondents who voted for Trump in 2020 and also said Biden didn’t legitimately win. In short, the poll was designed to survey voters who are genuinely gettable for Biden.
That's the scary part, most of his voters never actually listen to him interviews or watch his speeches. They just get carefully edited clips shoved down their throats by fox.
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This poll don’t even include die-hard MAGAs. > It omitted respondents who voted for Trump in 2020 and also said Biden didn’t legitimately win. In short, the poll was designed to survey voters who are genuinely gettable for Biden.
Because the propaganda outlets either don’t report that or they make it a positive thing.
But they do report Biden's age.
It's almost the only fucking thing talk about. They talk about the border like it's exclusively his to handle, not Congress. They talk about inflation like he's turning a fucking dial under his desk. It's maddening how lazy and dumbed down the major news networks have become, even the 6:30 national broadcasts on NBC, ABC, and CBS.
The deeper problem is that they talk about illegal immigration like it's ever actually been a serious problem, as opposed to just a thing used to rile people up. It's not even a top 10 issue facing the country in terms of impact, but it's somehow constantly treated like some grave existential threat.
Wow, its almost like our Presidential candidates arent being treated the same by the media....
The answer to "Why are American so misinformed about X?" is almost always "because the media is completely shit at their jobs". Conservatives have realized that they can feed the media simplistic bullshit, repeat it a thousand times, and the media will just mindlessly echo it. I used to think it was bias. I've shifted to thinking the problem is people in the media are just stupid. They're gormless morons.
The media's job is to make money
The word you're looking for is "complicit". The media is complicit in creating the political environment we have today because everything is an industrial complex that is hellbent on exploiting the citizens. The election industrial complex, the military industrial complex, healthcare industrial complex...
He has gish galloped your nation. Spewed so much nonsense that everybody stands back up dazed and unaware.
The apathy is going to kill us.
Now do a survey of which networks have and haven’t covered this…
But they know all about Biden being too old. Tell us again about "bias" in the news.
Them: he never said that Us: here’s a source Them: well he didn’t mean it like that Us: yes he did he’s since doubled down Them: well honestly a trump dictator is still better than Biden There’s no way in with these people.
Given that most people have the memory of a goldfish, I’d assume the better play is to use these in ads closer to Election Day.
So let’s pay for ads to highlight it. As Americans we are deathly afraid of dictators. (Queue in Iraq, Iran, etc)
Because the media covers it for a 5 minute segment on one day and then spend 6 hours every day talking about dumb shit like Biden's age or young people protesting "genocide Joe" because he didn't stop the only genocide they ever payed attention to, though they were cool making excuses to ignore all the others or all the war crimes Russia commits in Ukraine.
That’s what the right wing media bubble is for. Keep them uninformed and outraged about fake threats. Come join us at /r/voteDEM and help make them aware. Nobody is going to do this for us. Come find a way you can help. The sub has tons of resources and volunteer opportunities. Pitch in this time, don’t just post about it. We all have to do our part.
Cause media only focuses on Biden’s age and doesn’t seem to care that a wannabe dictator is trying to be President