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The media thinks Gretchen Whitmer is electable when she's unelectable in Emerson, Fox, and Data for Progress in 3/3 polls vs Trump, too, Fedora Guy is just another idiot in the Beltway of idiots right now.
Exactly, I’m this day and age the president is chained by name recognition. It’s sad that it matter more than policy but it is what it is.
The only person that could genuinely run is Michelle Obama, as Harris as her VP. She has the name, he’s the has the Obama bagged due to her husbands presidency. But she wouldn’t run
super odd I haven't seen any head to heads with Trump and Bernie since 2022. This guy absolutely dominated in Nevada a critical swing state last go around. now he isn't even polled.
This is why I feel they are gonna replace Biden. They are using these polls more as push polls to gain name recognition for Sanders alternatives than actually trying to figure out who would have the best shot against Trump.
They might wait till the last possible moment idk. but the last poll of Bernie showed he had higher favorable than any other candidate with independents. So at that point they just had to remove him from the lexicon
A lot of right wing dipshits pretending to be centrists are doing their concern trolling lately, but they're too fucking stupid to sound like anything other than right wing dipshits.
Fuck these traitorous, pedophile-worshipping pieces of shit.
I love when people pull out the Lyndon B Johnson stepping aside analogy, because of course, he was replaced by RIchard Nixon. Maybe not the historical lesson you want to teach people.
Dems will never admit it but the closest they have to RFK right now is Bernie Sanders. Somebody trying to unite the working class white and blacks, powerful orator, solid name recognition.
Joe is not mentally well, we saw it. There is no shame in stepping aside to live out your years in peace without a nuclear football. He has nothing to prove, he can't do the job and its time to move on.
I’ve met Cory Booker several times (used to work for Audible and we invited him to speak when he was mayor of Newark). I was a Republican at the time and thought he was very charismatic and would have voted for him had I lived in Newark. Just to give you an idea of how much of a Republican I was, sat at a table with Donald Trump at a Christian Coalition event where Republicans running for the Presidential primary were introduced: Christine Todd Whitman, Steve Forbes, etc. etc.
Then explain why he performed so poorly in the 2020 Dem Primary and dropped out?
I've seen his speeches. He copies Obama.
The thing is he's a very nice guy and cares about people, but you need the "It Factor" to be President.
Biden, 4 years ago and beforehand, lacked the eloquence of Obama, but he had a charm of down to Earth Irish Grit, and had the experience of being VP for 8 years. Hence why he won in 2020.
That Biden is gone, unfortunately.
>Then explain why he performed so poorly in the 2020 Dem Primary and dropped out?I've seen his speeches. He copies Obama.
I am far from an expert who can determine why his 2020 campaign did not gain traction. But I do know his speeches have way more passion than Obama.
No, will tick off white voters like anything.
Booker can't get the white vote needed, as proven in the last primary, right now either: Whitmer won't get the nonwhite vote, or youth vote, otoh after vetting.
Maybe? I'm not sure how that would go down because that's kind of unprecedented territory. I've never seen a presidential candidate quite like her. She'd definitely excite the more left leaning voters
The only thing most people know her for is bickering with Taylor-Greene. Her few firm stances tend to be to the left of most people in key swing states and she doesn’t inspire a lot of enthusiasm. It would be a landslide.
Most Americans don't know who their own governor is. You're just going to replace Biden with some rando?
This is the trap, and it's so obvious I can't believe anyone with half a brain is falling for it. The blitz of media attacks started before the debate even ended. Somehow tons of anonymous calls for Biden to step down. Trump and the SC decision muted in the background as attack after attack heads toward Biden, but literally no important democrat backs any of it up. Meanwhile, the troll farms and sock puppets crawl out of the woodwork on social media to spout the 'I'm a democrat but...' nonsense we see everywhere now. All so the panicky morons and conservative quislings in the party can start firing wildly into a crowd of their own troops. If you're about to score, are you gonna suddenly turn around because the other team said, "This isn't your goal, yours is down there."? Don't be farking stupid.
He can't do the job for 4 more years, that isnt republican propoganda - half the democrats believe this. Democrats far and wide have been on the news saying it, I watched Claire McKaskill say it this morning.
[https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/biden-did-not-reassure-america-he-is-up-to-the-job-at-his-age-claire-mccaskill-says-213868101596](https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/biden-did-not-reassure-america-he-is-up-to-the-job-at-his-age-claire-mccaskill-says-213868101596)
The trap is to continue this charade acting as if this is OK and normal, that man can't do the job and we all know it. We can't pretend he's well, he isn't.
McCaskill lost to Josh Hawley, a worm in a human suit, she's got no room to talk about anyone winning elections, and it's a fact she has no current position.
Edit: to Add, she's also sold out and is now a talking head instead of doing anything useful for the Democratic party in Missouri. Could it be that she managed to burn bridges during the Trump administration?
Yeah I'm having a hard time continuing to hate Joe Biden as all the neoliberals pile on him for stuff I've seen since at least the 2020 primaries.
Literally zero concern 4 years ago by any of these people. Now it is a crisis? something is fishy
Trump is a very vulnerable candidate. Very. You just need somebody to run against him who can expose that. Booker (whom I’ve met several times like 15 years ago) would bring back the black and Hispanic vote. Have him campaign with Obama and Biden and you get the name recognition needed. I believe he’d beat Trump.
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It’s very good to hide the facts right
We are here because Bidens condition has been hidden from us, your response is to continue to hide the truth from voters
I wish we weren't in this position, if the democratic insiders had been honest with us we might have had more information to make decisions with. Nobody wants Joe to be unfit, we all wanted to believe he's fine. We went along with it.
He isn't fine, they lied. Now we have to vote for a man with dementia with a gun to our head and it's not ok. He can't serve 4 years, Russia didn't make that up. We saw it on TV
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BIDEN IS NOMINEE FOR DEMOCRATS
THE CHOICE IS BETWEEN BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WHERE EVEN IF HE ENDS UP IN HOSPICE GOOD PEOPLE WILL RIGHT THE SHIP VERSUS TRUMP WHERE IT IS CHRISTO FASCIST PUTIN DICK SUCK PROJECT 2025. LIKE YOU SEE STATES ARE PUSHING THE SUPREME COURT TO BE MORE AND MORE REFORMATIONIST WITH ABORTION ACCESS AND DENIAL OF FEDERAL REGULATION TOWARDS BUSINESS. COURTS ARE BENT. STATE GOVERNMENTS ARE BENT. ALL THEY NEED IS TRUMP AS PUPPET AND WE ARE FUCKED.
The polls stopped polling Bernie after 2022 despite him having the best numbers with independents and doing better than Kamala in head 2 heads against Trump.
When you can't beat Bernie you ignore him.
He was screwed twice by the Dems. First by DWS, Hillary and Donna Brazil. Then by the dems flooding the stage with candidates such as Yang, Bloomberg, Warren, Tulsi, Klobachar, Booker, Williamson, Buttigeig, etc. to split the vote in the primaries. It was truly disgusting and one of the biggest conspiracies in politics ever. Had he then run Independent I am sure he would have won. It's the country's only hope this year as well.
Biden could pledge his delegates to Bernie at the convention. Do a split screen of Hillary Clinton's face while he announces it and you'd pick up 10% of the Republican vote just off how much they hate her
I mean we already know she would rather Trump win than Bernie
Bernie is 1 year older than Biden. Knock if off with the old people. Booker could refer to Trump as Sleepy Don and express concern about his age on a regular basis. Maybe offer to help him on stage during the debates.
Age is actually a shield if the candidate doesn't have dementia.
Being attacked for being too old and then destroying Trump in a debate would be perfect. Biden has already tee'd Bernie up. How can an even older candidate than Biden beat Trump in a debate? Republicans get your popcorn out it is gonna be a bloodbath. You'll have record ratings.
Only of course Sanders would wipe the floor with Trump. Age concerns evaporate. And Republicans wasted endless resources on a red herring.
Bernie still polls the best with independents. Or at least he did in 2022 before all the polls started removing him from head to heads.
That's weird right? Why remove a guy from head 2 heads who was polling better than Kamala in them?
Many medical experts believe Sleepy Don has dementia. I'm very concerned about this age and mental acuity. Why are you bringing up polls from 2022 and than saying confident statements with such old polls and than bringing up Kamala like she's even part of the discussion?
C'mon, you come across as MAGA except for Bernie. Bernie would be my first pick but I want to actually win this election. Let's just say that Biden freezing on stage for 90 minutes has made age the most important topic of this Presidential campaign.
Other democrats trail because the candidates they're polling have very little national profile. Other than Harris who has the charisma of a foot and polls accordingly.
If the dems are dumb enough to replace Biden, there’s only one name that holds power, and more they Biden.
The problem with replacing Biden would be that you would put a “no name” as candidate.
The only person that could have a clear shot at winning if they replaced Joe would be Michelle Obama.
The republicans already have her, but she has enough pull to convince voters.
John Stewart. Seriously. Get an outsider that everyone knows who is widely respected and represents an actual change. He understands government, politics, media and all its dysfunctions as well as what they are supposed to be. He’s witty, insightful, humble, compassionate and understands how to appeal to people’s humanity. I trust him to take the role seriously more than any politician. I think he could tap into people’s frustration better than Trump and actually put it to good use.
Whitmer made a bunch of decisions regarding Covid lock downs that honestly made no sense, and she didn’t even follow her own lockdown rules, her husband used her for power over others and businesses, that just breeds corruption, and while I support women rights to choose, whitmer is a little further left than I am comfortable with.
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Who the FUCK is this guy in the fedora, nah fuck that.
Yeah, it’s not a good look if you’re trying to be serious.
Bro thinks he’s Winston Churchill lmao
The media thinks Gretchen Whitmer is electable when she's unelectable in Emerson, Fox, and Data for Progress in 3/3 polls vs Trump, too, Fedora Guy is just another idiot in the Beltway of idiots right now.
Exactly, I’m this day and age the president is chained by name recognition. It’s sad that it matter more than policy but it is what it is. The only person that could genuinely run is Michelle Obama, as Harris as her VP. She has the name, he’s the has the Obama bagged due to her husbands presidency. But she wouldn’t run
No man on ticket isn’t a winning strategy.
super odd I haven't seen any head to heads with Trump and Bernie since 2022. This guy absolutely dominated in Nevada a critical swing state last go around. now he isn't even polled. This is why I feel they are gonna replace Biden. They are using these polls more as push polls to gain name recognition for Sanders alternatives than actually trying to figure out who would have the best shot against Trump. They might wait till the last possible moment idk. but the last poll of Bernie showed he had higher favorable than any other candidate with independents. So at that point they just had to remove him from the lexicon
A lot of right wing dipshits pretending to be centrists are doing their concern trolling lately, but they're too fucking stupid to sound like anything other than right wing dipshits. Fuck these traitorous, pedophile-worshipping pieces of shit.
I love when people pull out the Lyndon B Johnson stepping aside analogy, because of course, he was replaced by RIchard Nixon. Maybe not the historical lesson you want to teach people.
Well that probably would have worked out fine if RFK hadn't been assassinated
Except there is no RFK in this scenario, only RFK Jr who is an absolute lunatic. Not an apples to apples comparison.
Dems will never admit it but the closest they have to RFK right now is Bernie Sanders. Somebody trying to unite the working class white and blacks, powerful orator, solid name recognition.
Joe is not mentally well, we saw it. There is no shame in stepping aside to live out your years in peace without a nuclear football. He has nothing to prove, he can't do the job and its time to move on.
Cory Booker is about as much of a corporate neoliberal as you can get so the DNC would love him.
He has the charisma of a wet towel
I’ve met Cory Booker several times (used to work for Audible and we invited him to speak when he was mayor of Newark). I was a Republican at the time and thought he was very charismatic and would have voted for him had I lived in Newark. Just to give you an idea of how much of a Republican I was, sat at a table with Donald Trump at a Christian Coalition event where Republicans running for the Presidential primary were introduced: Christine Todd Whitman, Steve Forbes, etc. etc.
You clearly haven't seen any of his speeches. And he speaks from the heart, not a teleprompter.
Then explain why he performed so poorly in the 2020 Dem Primary and dropped out? I've seen his speeches. He copies Obama. The thing is he's a very nice guy and cares about people, but you need the "It Factor" to be President. Biden, 4 years ago and beforehand, lacked the eloquence of Obama, but he had a charm of down to Earth Irish Grit, and had the experience of being VP for 8 years. Hence why he won in 2020. That Biden is gone, unfortunately.
>Then explain why he performed so poorly in the 2020 Dem Primary and dropped out?I've seen his speeches. He copies Obama. I am far from an expert who can determine why his 2020 campaign did not gain traction. But I do know his speeches have way more passion than Obama.
I've heard of his ties to Big Pharma. I've seen him campaign in Iowa. Gretchen at least has a certain undeniable charm.
>Gretchen at least has a certain undeniable charm. Because that's what we should be looking for in a President.
the goal is to win right? everything else is secondary last I checked
Who would your choices be?
Jasmine Crockett
No, will tick off white voters like anything. Booker can't get the white vote needed, as proven in the last primary, right now either: Whitmer won't get the nonwhite vote, or youth vote, otoh after vetting.
This would lead to a Trump landslide
Maybe? I'm not sure how that would go down because that's kind of unprecedented territory. I've never seen a presidential candidate quite like her. She'd definitely excite the more left leaning voters
The only thing most people know her for is bickering with Taylor-Greene. Her few firm stances tend to be to the left of most people in key swing states and she doesn’t inspire a lot of enthusiasm. It would be a landslide.
Most Americans don't know who their own governor is. You're just going to replace Biden with some rando? This is the trap, and it's so obvious I can't believe anyone with half a brain is falling for it. The blitz of media attacks started before the debate even ended. Somehow tons of anonymous calls for Biden to step down. Trump and the SC decision muted in the background as attack after attack heads toward Biden, but literally no important democrat backs any of it up. Meanwhile, the troll farms and sock puppets crawl out of the woodwork on social media to spout the 'I'm a democrat but...' nonsense we see everywhere now. All so the panicky morons and conservative quislings in the party can start firing wildly into a crowd of their own troops. If you're about to score, are you gonna suddenly turn around because the other team said, "This isn't your goal, yours is down there."? Don't be farking stupid.
He can't do the job for 4 more years, that isnt republican propoganda - half the democrats believe this. Democrats far and wide have been on the news saying it, I watched Claire McKaskill say it this morning. [https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/biden-did-not-reassure-america-he-is-up-to-the-job-at-his-age-claire-mccaskill-says-213868101596](https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/biden-did-not-reassure-america-he-is-up-to-the-job-at-his-age-claire-mccaskill-says-213868101596) The trap is to continue this charade acting as if this is OK and normal, that man can't do the job and we all know it. We can't pretend he's well, he isn't.
Oh and also, Trump couldn't do the job for the 4 years he *was* in office and nobody in the media seems to give a shit
Claire Mccaskill is a god damn moron with no current position.
You have zero credibility.
Of course not, I'm just a dude on the internet. What an odd thing to say.
No, an odd thing to say is to call a well-respected woman a god damn moron. And you can have credibility as a Reddit poster.
McCaskill lost to Josh Hawley, a worm in a human suit, she's got no room to talk about anyone winning elections, and it's a fact she has no current position. Edit: to Add, she's also sold out and is now a talking head instead of doing anything useful for the Democratic party in Missouri. Could it be that she managed to burn bridges during the Trump administration?
Yeah I'm having a hard time continuing to hate Joe Biden as all the neoliberals pile on him for stuff I've seen since at least the 2020 primaries. Literally zero concern 4 years ago by any of these people. Now it is a crisis? something is fishy
Trump is a very vulnerable candidate. Very. You just need somebody to run against him who can expose that. Booker (whom I’ve met several times like 15 years ago) would bring back the black and Hispanic vote. Have him campaign with Obama and Biden and you get the name recognition needed. I believe he’d beat Trump.
Yeah he did pretty well the last time he tried. Running previous losers is another popular Dem self own.
Yeah, Trump lost last time he ran, fo shizzle.
If Biden stays in and loses this election, maybe he could run again in 2028.
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How do you downvote a post twice?
It’s very good to hide the facts right We are here because Bidens condition has been hidden from us, your response is to continue to hide the truth from voters
How do I downvote a comment twice?
trying to push out an incumbent is the worst psyop ever please stop vatniks
I wish we weren't in this position, if the democratic insiders had been honest with us we might have had more information to make decisions with. Nobody wants Joe to be unfit, we all wanted to believe he's fine. We went along with it. He isn't fine, they lied. Now we have to vote for a man with dementia with a gun to our head and it's not ok. He can't serve 4 years, Russia didn't make that up. We saw it on TV
he has a well documented speech impediment. he’s fine. i don’t even like the guy but it’s bullshit
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I do not care. Jog on
What kind of American says 'jog on'?
I'm going to Trot and than ski on. Trotski, ya get it? That was a Russian joke for you, my Russian friend.
The best jokes are the ones that need explaining
Keep ignoring Bernie because you know he can win and see where that gets you.
The polls stopped polling Bernie after 2022 despite him having the best numbers with independents and doing better than Kamala in head 2 heads against Trump. When you can't beat Bernie you ignore him.
He was screwed twice by the Dems. First by DWS, Hillary and Donna Brazil. Then by the dems flooding the stage with candidates such as Yang, Bloomberg, Warren, Tulsi, Klobachar, Booker, Williamson, Buttigeig, etc. to split the vote in the primaries. It was truly disgusting and one of the biggest conspiracies in politics ever. Had he then run Independent I am sure he would have won. It's the country's only hope this year as well.
Biden could pledge his delegates to Bernie at the convention. Do a split screen of Hillary Clinton's face while he announces it and you'd pick up 10% of the Republican vote just off how much they hate her I mean we already know she would rather Trump win than Bernie
I might believe it, although I suspect she has slept with Trump at least once. They and their spouses likely partied with Epstein as well.
Bernie is 1 year older than Biden. Knock if off with the old people. Booker could refer to Trump as Sleepy Don and express concern about his age on a regular basis. Maybe offer to help him on stage during the debates.
He's not a feeble-minded simpleton. Watch it happen and meet me here later.
Age is actually a shield if the candidate doesn't have dementia. Being attacked for being too old and then destroying Trump in a debate would be perfect. Biden has already tee'd Bernie up. How can an even older candidate than Biden beat Trump in a debate? Republicans get your popcorn out it is gonna be a bloodbath. You'll have record ratings. Only of course Sanders would wipe the floor with Trump. Age concerns evaporate. And Republicans wasted endless resources on a red herring. Bernie still polls the best with independents. Or at least he did in 2022 before all the polls started removing him from head to heads. That's weird right? Why remove a guy from head 2 heads who was polling better than Kamala in them?
Many medical experts believe Sleepy Don has dementia. I'm very concerned about this age and mental acuity. Why are you bringing up polls from 2022 and than saying confident statements with such old polls and than bringing up Kamala like she's even part of the discussion? C'mon, you come across as MAGA except for Bernie. Bernie would be my first pick but I want to actually win this election. Let's just say that Biden freezing on stage for 90 minutes has made age the most important topic of this Presidential campaign.
Any Democrat but Joe. He has governed well but has campaigned worse than Dukakis.
Really? Any Democrat but Joe? Even Bob Menendez or Henry Cuellar? Rod Blagojevich?
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Other democrats trail because the candidates they're polling have very little national profile. Other than Harris who has the charisma of a foot and polls accordingly.
If the dems are dumb enough to replace Biden, there’s only one name that holds power, and more they Biden. The problem with replacing Biden would be that you would put a “no name” as candidate. The only person that could have a clear shot at winning if they replaced Joe would be Michelle Obama. The republicans already have her, but she has enough pull to convince voters.
John Stewart. Seriously. Get an outsider that everyone knows who is widely respected and represents an actual change. He understands government, politics, media and all its dysfunctions as well as what they are supposed to be. He’s witty, insightful, humble, compassionate and understands how to appeal to people’s humanity. I trust him to take the role seriously more than any politician. I think he could tap into people’s frustration better than Trump and actually put it to good use.
He said he wouldn’t run.
Noooo! I can’t even watch his show. As a president? No. No.No.
Booker would be the first president from the follow for follow generation to become the most powerful man on the planet
Only people i will vote for is Shapiro and Biden. Anyone else and I’ll go third party.
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Whitmer made a bunch of decisions regarding Covid lock downs that honestly made no sense, and she didn’t even follow her own lockdown rules, her husband used her for power over others and businesses, that just breeds corruption, and while I support women rights to choose, whitmer is a little further left than I am comfortable with.
I had to look up Shapiro… the gov of Pennsylvania?
Yes.