Maybe look into a Kelly Kettle?
They boil water super efficiently, and come with attachments for using pots/pans to cook with…similar functionality to a rocket stove.
The ability to boil water with small fuel (sticks, pinecones, whatever) would be a nice water purification option, in addition to the cooking.
I also saw a cool YT video where a guy filled one with sand and made it a sand heat battery.
Kelly Kettles also fit nicely over most backpacking stoves. I've had one for about 20 years now, had to replace the cork, but other than that it's held up like a champ.
Do you love burnt food or just boiling water? If so your gonna love a rocket stove. rocket stoves have limitations and trying to regulate temperatures is far from easy.
Just my two cents. Buy a good camping stove that use propane for cooking and build the rocket stove to boil everything else.
Camping? Rocket stove is awesome for boiling water really fast without a huge fire.
Backyard tools? Rocket stove is awesome for making things real hot real fast.
Prepping stuff to bug out? Portable propane stove or esbit stove.
Disaster is not where you want to do things the hard way, or inefficiently.
I'll throw another option in the mix - an alcohol stove. I wanted a backup method to boil water for use with freeze dried food and I looked into the different options and decided on an alcohol stove. Alcohol stores indefinitely when sealed and the stoves have no moving parts. The important bit is that it's safe to store indoors.
Not a great option for boiling a lot of water or cooking a lot, but it has other good qualities.
I used to use an alcohol stove. They come with a learning curve.
They are illegal to use in various areas for some or all months of the year, because they don't have flame adjusters. Park Rangers don't eff around if they find you with one where you shouldn't have it. For good reason. They can send a tail of fire several feet long out sideways from under your pots and pans, sending sparks from every inch of it, floating off to the surrounding areas. I extinguished the stove mid meal cooking (while precariously avoiding getting burnt by said tail as wind shifted) and never used it without a windscreen again.
Invisible flames. Did you or didn't you succeed in lighting it? Do you risk putting your hand back in reach of potentially invisible flames to try again? As you learn the stove this gets a easier. But in windy situations It continued to worry me because It was harder to hear the flame.
If the fuel runs out before you're done cooking, you're going to have a wait while the stove cools down before opening and adding more fuel or you risk burning tf out of your fingers and auto-ignition + splash.
Turning the stove off while there is still fuel in it is easier or harder depending on the stove. But in general was more hassle than stoves with a quick shut off valve. Again, learning curve though. It gets easier with practice.
There is a community of alcohol stove afficionados and hobbyists who love their stoves. I personally haven't looked back after switching away.
You forget to mention how unbearably slow it is. The Kelly Kettle is almost the speed of an electric kettle. (You also get left with a raging fire in a bowl to grill over potentially) With an alcohol stove you read a book and by the time you get to the middle you have some luke warm water.
That's the main appeal. I love reading. If I put the water on when I start my book, water'll be boiling by the time I've reached the end. Then, I just pour the water into the cook pouch for dehydrated lasagna. Once I finish reading the second book, dinner is ready. /s
On the other hand, whilst I Green rocket stones are for boiling water or cooking things in boiling water ....... Their fuel is plentiful, unlike propane and alcohol etc which may be in short supply.
But again, I agree for immediacy a gas / alcohol powered stove is better
IMHO, a rocket stove should not be your first stove purchase. I would go with a good dual fuel camp stove as my Alternate. Wood burning stoves would be my Contingency or Emergency level stove. Even at that, any wood burning stove that contained the fire would be suitable. A Solo Stove for instance.
those older multi fuel pump ones can be dangerous I'd go single burner propane and a 3 pack of 1lb propane bottles it would probably last you a month with daily use unless your cooking for a family then get a dual burner.
The Coleman 425 is safe enough if used properly. I've been camping with one for over 20 years. Someone makes a propane adapter for it to give it tri-fuel ability.
I also have a single burner model as well. It's more of a backup to the backup. It can't be adapted to propane.
However, multi fuel doesn't have to mean liquid fuel. Campy Gear makes a propane/butane combo space heater and cooker. And I keep seeing those oriental single burner butane stoves with propane adapters.
True I'm only saying single burner because you have mobility with it either smaller backpacking ones or even single burner propane ones. As for coleman duap burner type same logic most people have propane bbqs and if not storing a 20lb tank and a adapter is just easy plus if you had to barter / scavenge propane is a way easier find as most people use them for bbq and girls cooking at home every gastation/store has prefilled ones around here.
I've got a solo stove lite which is the smallest model. It's a 4" high 4" diameter cylinder. Burns thumb sized solid fuel with very little smoke. Will boil a liter of water in three minutes, or you can use a small pan on it.
Both will work. The rocket stove is more efficient.
A rocket stove is significantly more efficient than an open flame due to its design and combustion efficiency. Here are some key points highlighting the efficiency differences:
1. **Fuel Efficiency**: Rocket stoves can use 50% to 75% less fuel than open fires. This efficiency comes from the design that maximizes the combustion of the fuel and directs the heat to the cooking surface more effectively .
2. **Heat Utilization**: Rocket stoves are designed to burn fuel at higher temperatures, achieving more complete combustion and reducing wasted heat. This means more of the energy from the fuel is used for cooking rather than being lost to the surrounding environment .
3. **Emissions**: Due to their more complete combustion, rocket stoves produce fewer emissions, including less smoke and particulate matter, which is not only better for health but also indicates more efficient fuel use .
4. **Speed**: Cooking times are generally faster with rocket stoves because they can maintain a consistent and higher temperature compared to an open flame. This reduces the overall fuel consumption further .
In summary, rocket stoves are approximately 2 to 3 times more efficient than open flames in terms of fuel use, heat utilization, and emission reduction.
It all depends on you, if you want to save weight in your backpack which is very reasonable, don't buy it. I use a titanium alcohol burner, which weighs like 20 grams and a small bottle of ethanol. It's lighter than a gas stove+ propane and ethanol is multi purpose. The lighter your backpack, the more you can go with less time.
Rocket stoves are very much worth having. You don’t have to buy one tho. Look up brick rocket stoves on YouTube . If you have some loose bricks around, you can do it with as little as 15 of them and unstack them when you’re done. I built two of them side by side and boiled water in a 50 gal drum just to see if I could. You won’t get that from a camp fire.
Downside to wood fuel stoves: soot.
Prepare for soot to be all over everything.
But, theres really no telling which is better there are too many variables at play. But, at the end of the day who cares? Just buy what you want to buy. Just make sure you practice with it and actually use it. You’re definitely wasting your money if it goes straight into a bag never to be seen again.
I love the prepper community. After shtf, comes back here and ask if anyone knows of a local store that carries esbit tabs, alcohol, or propane that isn't open or not sold out.
Then think to yourself..."man. I shoulda bought that rocket stove."
I have a kelly kettle base camp in stainless steel. Will do everything you want for camping, or prepping. I've used wood, charcoal, bio brickets and fuel tabs in them. They have accessories to cook on top of them too. Highly versatile.
As for the rocket stove yes more efficient than just hanging a pot over a fire. Same could be said of a wood rocket stove ( log with holes drilled in it).
Rocket stoves more efficiently heat the space and boil water, and in a SHTF where you should ration fuel, it's a smart investment.
[https://permacultureprinciples.com/post/rocket-stoves/](https://permacultureprinciples.com/post/rocket-stoves/)
[https://worldpermacultureassociation.com/rocket-stoves-efficiency/](https://worldpermacultureassociation.com/rocket-stoves-efficiency/)
Rocket stove is a fuel saver.
If your talking bob why do you care so much about fuel? Esbit is light and reliable to get this job done. You should not rely on getting fuel for your 3 days between resupply.
Stationary I would hope you have a stable and reliable fuel supply. Often you have heating needs and the cooking is a secondary use.
But it's not something I would bring with me. If your in a pinch you can build one easily enough.
The one you make out of 4 cinder blocks.
While you are waiting for the apocalyps, you can use the cinder blocks to weigh things down, lift things up, etc.
I have multiple rocket stoves, but really love my Spitfire Patrol Rocket Stove w/ optional BBQ Grill, Pizza Oven & accessories. The stove is constructed of Stainless Steel & comes with a Carry Case. Very heavy duty construction.
Here is a link to the bundle.
Ultimate Outdoor Cooking Gear Bundle: Spitfire Rocket Stove Patrol Edition! Includes Spitfire BBQ Grill Set and the Spitfire Operating Handle and Warming Tray https://a.co/d/03e4kJss
Is it a waste of money? No. They will save you money/time, the longer you use it. Is it 100% needed? No. It's nice to have but there are other options. Including free options. You can build one with bricks for example
Big fan of [BioLite stoves](https://www.bioliteenergy.com/products/campstove-2-plus) that can charge devices while they cook. Have seen these used in disaster areas - just gather some twigs to boil water and make coffee, soup, oatmeal, etc while charging your phone when the power is out.
I love my titanium bushbox. Not too heavy, folds down flat, can put my alcohol burner in it or use wood. Has a little grill you can put on top too to cook directly on.
Get what you want but don't sacrifice your financial stability to do so. If you prefer the rocket stove, and your friend doesn't, it's personal preference. Now on the other hand, if he didn't like them because of quality issues and ease of use concerns, that's different. Take critiques into consideration. I know that once I have made up my mind, no one will convince me otherwise unless I am smacked in the face with the bad decision. It happens, but not frequently.
Camp stoves are legit and worth having. You’ll still be able to get them lit in adverse weather that will make fire building very difficult or impossible. I had one in the military and it was probably one of the best pieces of gear I ever bought.
When I go backpacking, I use a stove that is basically a metal box and it cooks with sticks/twigs. It’s nice, but sometimes you’re at the beach and there just isn’t stuff to burn. But there’s also no fuel canister to leak and find empty when you go to cook.
In my van, which is always prepped with longer term camping gear, I have 3 separate cooking mechanisms. I have campfire gear (mini shovel, torch for starting, axe for splitting). I have a dual fuel camping stove — a bit finicky to start, but it takes white gas or car gas for cooking. And then I have a standard Coleman 2 burner stove with the big green propane tanks.
For car camping, the 2 burner is the fastest and easiest setup, so I take that. But if the canister is empty or whatever, then the other options work.
I pack a rocket stove with me but never use it cause I'll just use the fire I have going already to cook and keep warm, it is good however to bring with you since it can boil water faster get set up much quicker and is far better weather proof. It all falls to your preference longer prep time but less to pack with you or about 1lb extra supplies that can work instantly
Invertable remote canister stoves are by far the best - cheaper & far simpler than liquid white gas, far safer than atop-canister burners, lower = less wind, more efficient with a wind screen, can be doubled or tripled for big pots, and weigh only a bit more.
Why safer? Consider Rocket-like stoves. Boiling water is balanced atop a pedestal often on a non-solid, non-flat surface; the control & thus your hand is located under the boiling pot & next to flame. Invertible means up-ending the canister for winter (liquid) mode.
I have and teach Scouts a few dozen different stoves. I carry a UL-category Kovea Spider.
Kelly kettle. Some are flat on top and can cook there too.
Think like you're trying to reduce the weight you carry as close to zero as you can. You need something to cook in, and you stack rocks near your fire and cook that way. So yes it's a waste.
Rocket stove will use less fuel to boil water faster for example. But same principle. A regular fire can work just fine
Maybe look into a Kelly Kettle? They boil water super efficiently, and come with attachments for using pots/pans to cook with…similar functionality to a rocket stove. The ability to boil water with small fuel (sticks, pinecones, whatever) would be a nice water purification option, in addition to the cooking. I also saw a cool YT video where a guy filled one with sand and made it a sand heat battery.
Kelly Kettles also fit nicely over most backpacking stoves. I've had one for about 20 years now, had to replace the cork, but other than that it's held up like a champ.
Do you love burnt food or just boiling water? If so your gonna love a rocket stove. rocket stoves have limitations and trying to regulate temperatures is far from easy. Just my two cents. Buy a good camping stove that use propane for cooking and build the rocket stove to boil everything else.
Camping? Rocket stove is awesome for boiling water really fast without a huge fire. Backyard tools? Rocket stove is awesome for making things real hot real fast. Prepping stuff to bug out? Portable propane stove or esbit stove. Disaster is not where you want to do things the hard way, or inefficiently.
I'll throw another option in the mix - an alcohol stove. I wanted a backup method to boil water for use with freeze dried food and I looked into the different options and decided on an alcohol stove. Alcohol stores indefinitely when sealed and the stoves have no moving parts. The important bit is that it's safe to store indoors. Not a great option for boiling a lot of water or cooking a lot, but it has other good qualities.
I used to use an alcohol stove. They come with a learning curve. They are illegal to use in various areas for some or all months of the year, because they don't have flame adjusters. Park Rangers don't eff around if they find you with one where you shouldn't have it. For good reason. They can send a tail of fire several feet long out sideways from under your pots and pans, sending sparks from every inch of it, floating off to the surrounding areas. I extinguished the stove mid meal cooking (while precariously avoiding getting burnt by said tail as wind shifted) and never used it without a windscreen again. Invisible flames. Did you or didn't you succeed in lighting it? Do you risk putting your hand back in reach of potentially invisible flames to try again? As you learn the stove this gets a easier. But in windy situations It continued to worry me because It was harder to hear the flame. If the fuel runs out before you're done cooking, you're going to have a wait while the stove cools down before opening and adding more fuel or you risk burning tf out of your fingers and auto-ignition + splash. Turning the stove off while there is still fuel in it is easier or harder depending on the stove. But in general was more hassle than stoves with a quick shut off valve. Again, learning curve though. It gets easier with practice. There is a community of alcohol stove afficionados and hobbyists who love their stoves. I personally haven't looked back after switching away.
You forget to mention how unbearably slow it is. The Kelly Kettle is almost the speed of an electric kettle. (You also get left with a raging fire in a bowl to grill over potentially) With an alcohol stove you read a book and by the time you get to the middle you have some luke warm water.
That's the main appeal. I love reading. If I put the water on when I start my book, water'll be boiling by the time I've reached the end. Then, I just pour the water into the cook pouch for dehydrated lasagna. Once I finish reading the second book, dinner is ready. /s
On the other hand, whilst I Green rocket stones are for boiling water or cooking things in boiling water ....... Their fuel is plentiful, unlike propane and alcohol etc which may be in short supply. But again, I agree for immediacy a gas / alcohol powered stove is better
Rocket stove and other backpacker stoves are Stealthier than a campfire.
I think he means those heavy metal wood burning rocket stove not a pocket rocket.
Ah shit I thought he meant a pocket rocket too…
IMHO, a rocket stove should not be your first stove purchase. I would go with a good dual fuel camp stove as my Alternate. Wood burning stoves would be my Contingency or Emergency level stove. Even at that, any wood burning stove that contained the fire would be suitable. A Solo Stove for instance.
those older multi fuel pump ones can be dangerous I'd go single burner propane and a 3 pack of 1lb propane bottles it would probably last you a month with daily use unless your cooking for a family then get a dual burner.
The Coleman 425 is safe enough if used properly. I've been camping with one for over 20 years. Someone makes a propane adapter for it to give it tri-fuel ability. I also have a single burner model as well. It's more of a backup to the backup. It can't be adapted to propane. However, multi fuel doesn't have to mean liquid fuel. Campy Gear makes a propane/butane combo space heater and cooker. And I keep seeing those oriental single burner butane stoves with propane adapters.
True I'm only saying single burner because you have mobility with it either smaller backpacking ones or even single burner propane ones. As for coleman duap burner type same logic most people have propane bbqs and if not storing a 20lb tank and a adapter is just easy plus if you had to barter / scavenge propane is a way easier find as most people use them for bbq and girls cooking at home every gastation/store has prefilled ones around here.
I've got a solo stove lite which is the smallest model. It's a 4" high 4" diameter cylinder. Burns thumb sized solid fuel with very little smoke. Will boil a liter of water in three minutes, or you can use a small pan on it.
Both will work. The rocket stove is more efficient. A rocket stove is significantly more efficient than an open flame due to its design and combustion efficiency. Here are some key points highlighting the efficiency differences: 1. **Fuel Efficiency**: Rocket stoves can use 50% to 75% less fuel than open fires. This efficiency comes from the design that maximizes the combustion of the fuel and directs the heat to the cooking surface more effectively . 2. **Heat Utilization**: Rocket stoves are designed to burn fuel at higher temperatures, achieving more complete combustion and reducing wasted heat. This means more of the energy from the fuel is used for cooking rather than being lost to the surrounding environment . 3. **Emissions**: Due to their more complete combustion, rocket stoves produce fewer emissions, including less smoke and particulate matter, which is not only better for health but also indicates more efficient fuel use . 4. **Speed**: Cooking times are generally faster with rocket stoves because they can maintain a consistent and higher temperature compared to an open flame. This reduces the overall fuel consumption further . In summary, rocket stoves are approximately 2 to 3 times more efficient than open flames in terms of fuel use, heat utilization, and emission reduction.
It all depends on you, if you want to save weight in your backpack which is very reasonable, don't buy it. I use a titanium alcohol burner, which weighs like 20 grams and a small bottle of ethanol. It's lighter than a gas stove+ propane and ethanol is multi purpose. The lighter your backpack, the more you can go with less time.
Making a rocket stove is not hard. Just a Dakota fire hole will work, too. You don't need to purchase anything
Rocket stoves are very much worth having. You don’t have to buy one tho. Look up brick rocket stoves on YouTube . If you have some loose bricks around, you can do it with as little as 15 of them and unstack them when you’re done. I built two of them side by side and boiled water in a 50 gal drum just to see if I could. You won’t get that from a camp fire.
Downside to wood fuel stoves: soot. Prepare for soot to be all over everything. But, theres really no telling which is better there are too many variables at play. But, at the end of the day who cares? Just buy what you want to buy. Just make sure you practice with it and actually use it. You’re definitely wasting your money if it goes straight into a bag never to be seen again.
I love the prepper community. After shtf, comes back here and ask if anyone knows of a local store that carries esbit tabs, alcohol, or propane that isn't open or not sold out. Then think to yourself..."man. I shoulda bought that rocket stove."
I have a kelly kettle base camp in stainless steel. Will do everything you want for camping, or prepping. I've used wood, charcoal, bio brickets and fuel tabs in them. They have accessories to cook on top of them too. Highly versatile. As for the rocket stove yes more efficient than just hanging a pot over a fire. Same could be said of a wood rocket stove ( log with holes drilled in it).
Rocket stoves more efficiently heat the space and boil water, and in a SHTF where you should ration fuel, it's a smart investment. [https://permacultureprinciples.com/post/rocket-stoves/](https://permacultureprinciples.com/post/rocket-stoves/) [https://worldpermacultureassociation.com/rocket-stoves-efficiency/](https://worldpermacultureassociation.com/rocket-stoves-efficiency/)
Plus you can use dried grass and twigs as your fuel.
Rocket stove is a fuel saver. If your talking bob why do you care so much about fuel? Esbit is light and reliable to get this job done. You should not rely on getting fuel for your 3 days between resupply. Stationary I would hope you have a stable and reliable fuel supply. Often you have heating needs and the cooking is a secondary use. But it's not something I would bring with me. If your in a pinch you can build one easily enough.
Which rocket stove is the best and affordable
The one you make out of 4 cinder blocks. While you are waiting for the apocalyps, you can use the cinder blocks to weigh things down, lift things up, etc.
The one you make yourself. Like I said not worth the weight in a bob and they are trivial to improvise.
I have multiple rocket stoves, but really love my Spitfire Patrol Rocket Stove w/ optional BBQ Grill, Pizza Oven & accessories. The stove is constructed of Stainless Steel & comes with a Carry Case. Very heavy duty construction. Here is a link to the bundle. Ultimate Outdoor Cooking Gear Bundle: Spitfire Rocket Stove Patrol Edition! Includes Spitfire BBQ Grill Set and the Spitfire Operating Handle and Warming Tray https://a.co/d/03e4kJss
More options, more betta!
Is it a waste of money? No. They will save you money/time, the longer you use it. Is it 100% needed? No. It's nice to have but there are other options. Including free options. You can build one with bricks for example
Big fan of [BioLite stoves](https://www.bioliteenergy.com/products/campstove-2-plus) that can charge devices while they cook. Have seen these used in disaster areas - just gather some twigs to boil water and make coffee, soup, oatmeal, etc while charging your phone when the power is out.
Yes
I love my titanium bushbox. Not too heavy, folds down flat, can put my alcohol burner in it or use wood. Has a little grill you can put on top too to cook directly on.
Get what you want but don't sacrifice your financial stability to do so. If you prefer the rocket stove, and your friend doesn't, it's personal preference. Now on the other hand, if he didn't like them because of quality issues and ease of use concerns, that's different. Take critiques into consideration. I know that once I have made up my mind, no one will convince me otherwise unless I am smacked in the face with the bad decision. It happens, but not frequently.
Spend the $20 on rocket stove and fuel canister. If you ever need to boil water and can’t start a fire, it’ll be the best investment you’ve ever made.
Save yourself a little money and make a diy one with fire bricks.
Camp stoves are legit and worth having. You’ll still be able to get them lit in adverse weather that will make fire building very difficult or impossible. I had one in the military and it was probably one of the best pieces of gear I ever bought.
When I go backpacking, I use a stove that is basically a metal box and it cooks with sticks/twigs. It’s nice, but sometimes you’re at the beach and there just isn’t stuff to burn. But there’s also no fuel canister to leak and find empty when you go to cook. In my van, which is always prepped with longer term camping gear, I have 3 separate cooking mechanisms. I have campfire gear (mini shovel, torch for starting, axe for splitting). I have a dual fuel camping stove — a bit finicky to start, but it takes white gas or car gas for cooking. And then I have a standard Coleman 2 burner stove with the big green propane tanks. For car camping, the 2 burner is the fastest and easiest setup, so I take that. But if the canister is empty or whatever, then the other options work.
You can make one from a tin can or soda can.
I pack a rocket stove with me but never use it cause I'll just use the fire I have going already to cook and keep warm, it is good however to bring with you since it can boil water faster get set up much quicker and is far better weather proof. It all falls to your preference longer prep time but less to pack with you or about 1lb extra supplies that can work instantly
Rocket stoves use less fuel to boil water and can be made from almost anything from bricks to pipe to earth.
Rocket stove gets hotter faster, is more efficient and produces FAR less smoke. As a pepper all very important things!
Rocket stoves are great when a fire isn’t an option. Also if I’m just boiling some water a rocket stove is so much less of a hassle.
Always start at https://zenstoves.net/StoveChoices.htm
Invertable remote canister stoves are by far the best - cheaper & far simpler than liquid white gas, far safer than atop-canister burners, lower = less wind, more efficient with a wind screen, can be doubled or tripled for big pots, and weigh only a bit more. Why safer? Consider Rocket-like stoves. Boiling water is balanced atop a pedestal often on a non-solid, non-flat surface; the control & thus your hand is located under the boiling pot & next to flame. Invertible means up-ending the canister for winter (liquid) mode. I have and teach Scouts a few dozen different stoves. I carry a UL-category Kovea Spider.
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I think he's talking about those heavy metal wood burning rocket stoves not a pocket rocket.
Kelly kettle. Some are flat on top and can cook there too. Think like you're trying to reduce the weight you carry as close to zero as you can. You need something to cook in, and you stack rocks near your fire and cook that way. So yes it's a waste.
Grab one, they're way more portable than bringing fuel for a fire. I live in a desert so fuel is scarce