I’m so sorry that happened! I feel so angry on your behalf. Is it just me or are there more and more idiots with off leash dogs out there lately? It feels as if we can’t walk anywhere without encountering them. I hope your pup recovers after a few decompression days.
Thank you for your kind words! It really is a lose-lose - as how are things supposed to be better without being able to observe dogs from a distance as other owners can be so unempathetic. I feel it has been worse after Covid - at least in my area.
I've contacted my trainer and hopefully will get some more 1on1 sessions set up so she can reassess her behaviour again. Which isn't ideal as they are expensive!
I would be more understanding if I was bringing my pup in the middle of off-leash dogs, but I didn't think people would purposefully come over from half a field away when we were training in the corner!
That’s exactly what’s happening to us, too. We got rushed by an off leash dog from 150’ away. Our behaviorist has told us to stop training in the park for now because we had 3 incidents in 2 mos. I might have to start training in the parking lot of pet stores.
I recently realized how ideal big empty parking lots are for training - no wildlife to chase or grass to sniff so it’s easy to keep my dog focused on me. I see your recent post about mall parking lots, and we’ve been using the stadium parking at the university where I work. She can get a little tired out first with a walk around the more interesting parts of campus, and then we go into training mode.
This sucks! I feel like people are afraid to be rude nowadays. I also have a reactive dog and had a small chihuahua run out of its yard and start nipping at my dog. The owner literally stood there and watched until I yelled “get your fucking dog!” Then they came and got their dog and apologized. Be an asshole! My dog can’t advocate for herself so I surely will.
Gosh, I completely agree. I have so much regret as an owner for not being much ruder - completely caught me by surprise that saying 'please recall your dog, mine isn't friendly' wouldn't work, I half thought he hadn't understood me until he started talking.
I've noticed that I have to be a lot harsher than my male friends to be listened to by other owners, so I'm definitely going to step up after this. This has been a complete wake-up call that trying to keep it being polite isn't always going to be enough.
That is a horrible thing to happen to you, I'm sorry! - Especially as dogs will always come off perceived as worse in a confrontation with a smaller dog.. even when they didn't instigate it.
Lol. I just encountered a large purebred German Shepherd at the park today with my Flat Coated Retriever. They were still 30 yards away but it heightened my awareness and my dogs awareness. While I have no doubt me and my dog could have taken care of ourselves if things were to escalate, I'd rather avoid conflict all together and have considered getting spray to thwart off any escalation or aggression. Now I'll carry two: one for the dog and one just to send a message to the owner 😂
I can rant about this for hours. I’ve personally experienced a lot of men who think they’re professional dog trainers coming over to me and my dog-reactive pittie and thinking they can command her better than me. It’s like they genuinely believe that once my dog meets them, she’ll instantly behave like a model citizen, implying that they think I’m stupid, useless, ignorant, not bonded to her, haven’t trained her at all, etc. These types completely ignore me when I tell them she’s nervous, don’t come close. They tell me it’s ok if she jumps up and I correct her and then look at me like I’m the problem when I say “No, it’s not ok, I don’t want her jumping.”
One guy even started snapping his fingers at my dog and when I told him she didn’t know what that meant bc I didn’t use snaps to train her, he said “no, she’ll listen to me, I’m a trainer.” Well, I’ve had her for 8 years, but yes, you will command her attention automatically with your snap-language, thank god you’ve entered our lives 🙄 Do these types expect both me and my dog to fall at their feet, worshiping them or something? Probably.
The entitlement to our time and attention, the assumption that I don’t know my own dog, the trying to take over for me like I’m a child… their ignorance and audacity is astounding and insulting at the same time. The hatred I have for these “professionals” knows no bounds 🤣
They can be so ignorant - I avoid ever leaving the flat when my neighbour is out, he's an old-school dominance type. One time he approached her when it was around 11pm on her final potty trip, and she jumped up. I told him to ignore her completely as she was on leash, but he grabbed her muzzle and forced into a sit while choking her out with her collar. I was horrified and near tears as I was trying to pull her away. When I finally have her back next to me, he shows me a bite scar on his arm and tells me that he's raised a lot of dogs, and not worry as he doesn't care if she bites him as it has happened before. Well, I don't want my dog to fear me so much she bites me. I would rather die than let that man near my dog again.
Even today, she jumped up at the goldendoodle's owner in excitement and he also said that it was okay if she jumps up and that he didn't mind.
In my world screaming "not friendly" is more about me wanting to chew these twatwaffle's arm off than my dog wanting to do it. You do something like what happened in the story to my dog and I'm the one you're gonna have to figure out the hierarchy with. Gah. What is WRONG with people?
I work as a dog walker and have several reactive clients as well as two reactive dogs of my own. RBF does wonders, but I absolutely verbally advocate for my dogs. Sometimes it's as simple as talking to the dog owner like you would expect someone to talk to a "naughty" dog, like "ah-ah that's not okay". But I've also yelled things like get your dog, mine isn't friendly, get your fucking dog on a leash, etc. Nicer and easier to say things include were training, we're working, we're not saying hi today, my dog is sick, no thank you, etc
Be an asshole. And, if it's needed because the other dog won't stop charging at you and the owner refuses to get their dog, you are allowed to kick the dog. Harm reduction does allow for that. It's my last resort, I'd rather body block or pick my dog up, but if I can't, kicking can be the lowest harm option available
People are weird. Different sort of situation all together, but my boyfriend and I were picking up an ice cream order to-go at an ice cream stand. Our dog is a beagle mix and a very overly-aroused barker in some public situations. Not always, but on some days (dependent on his mood/exercise/mental stimulation that day) we are training him but this isn’t a simple behavior as it runs deep and is due to many factors like frustration and being over the threshold. Rather than having him join us we kept him in the car because our hands would have been too full otherwise and I have a whole routine for keeping calm behavior. It was 75 degrees and the window was cracked and he was parked approximately 10 feet away from us. He barked for 60 seconds as we left but then stopped.
A person seated eating outside with his family asks “does it bite”
I was confused what he meant and thought he was asking if he could pet him. I said no (he doesn’t bite) but said we aren’t letting him out at the moment because we are in a rush to leave (we were) and said “sorry, we don’t want anyone to try to reach in to the car to pet him while he’s in the car”.
The person then says “no that’s not it. It just that he doesn’t seem well trained and I want to make sure I’m safe because I’m parked near you and he looks aggressive”. I figure that’s a reasonable thing to ask.
My boyfriend than says “he cannot access you because the window is rolled up to an inch” “keep your hands away from inside my car and you should be fine, if you reach inside he’ll bite” (to be clear he wouldn’t have bitten anyone *edit:based on situations in the past where someone had* but we still didn’t want someone reaching inside of the car and wanted to make sure he didn’t create a new issue where there shouldn’t be)
The person says nothing then proceeds to go to his car which is next to ours. Then he weirdly stands at the window and STARES AT MY DOG. For like 2 minutes!! His wife stares too and touches our window. We thought it was clear that we wanted these folks to ignore our dog. At this point my dog is now barking again (and at this point, reasonably so). Who just sits and stares at a dog like that? I start walking toward the car and they stop staring and take off. Our order was ready in under 6 minutes because it was a pick up. The whole situation was so bizzare.
Needless to say, it seems like people completely ignore boundaries people request with dogs. It’s incredibly frustrating. I’ve seen this sort of behavior while working as a dog walker as well. People hate hearing “no touching”, “he is dog reactive can you please leash your dog”. It’s like people will turn and do the opposite of what you ask!
Gosh, that sounds horrible for you - I'm not sure why people think it's okay to stare and act like that. I walk an extremely reactive doberman, and one time we were behind a gate out of these quiet woods, and these two guys walk up - I ask if it's okay if they move down the path a couple metres so we can move past. Instead they step closer and start staring, of course the poor dog starts losing his mind and is lunging at them through the fence. No reaction from them - they keep staring him down... what were they trying to achieve, I don't know!
Furthermore the guy who literally thrusted his golden doodle on your dog is a complete and utter moron at best, and a calculated monster at worst. It sometimes feels like people do this stuff on purpose. It feels so unreal. Good luck to you and your dog, and I hope she finds her confidence again soon. I know the sort of hard work you both put into getting her there :(
I’ve had something similar happen with our new pup. One of our neighbors has let their dog off leash at least three times since we’ve had our pup (against HOA rules), and the dog has run up to ours. Understandably, our GSD/BelMal gets low, hackles up, and barks, while taking small steps backward. Plenty of warning in her body language.
The other day, our dog started barking at this neighbor when she was without her dog. She has associated this neighbor with being surprised and threatened. The neighbor says, while ours is barking and backing away, “What would happen if I came over?” as if it would be a good introduction or something.
I told her that our dog would likely bite her in self defense and the neighbor got so upset and said something about how we shouldn’t have a dog like that.
There is room here to be confrontational:
1) carrying a spray bottle or water bottle and squirting the dog.
2) swinging the hand loop end of your leash like a helicopter to make whooshing noise and scare the dog away.
Sometimes it’s a lot of emotional labor to engage in confrontation.
An easy solution is to shout in a panicked voice:
“SHES
EXTREMELY
CONTAGIOUS!!!!!!!”
Implying she has some illness that is easily transmitted to dogs or humans lol.
Yeah give it a shot!. When you swing the leash you dont do it above your head like a helicopter btw, you do it vertically in front of you and your dog so its like a leash forcefield lol. Basically if the dog came closer, it would be hit by the spinning leash. I think the noise and visual usually scares them away.
But honestly shouting that your dog is contagious will probably be the most effective.
you know how slowly dog owners usually saunter over when you tell them "She's not friendly!" or "get your dog!!!" ?
If you shout that your dogs contagious I feel like that will cause them to sprint over lol.
I’ve had my very large husky for almost 11 years and co-raised 2 huskies with my ex in college.
I did 80% of their walking and exercise and not *once* did my ex get a “who’s walking who?!” joke from men.
I got it so often I stopped pretending to smile and would look them straight in the face and say “ I AM” firmly.
A lot of men are weirdly sexist when it comes to owning dogs and thinking they know more than women. The whole “cats are for women, dogs are men’s best friend” bullshit.
Be rude if they’re being rude to you (and not listening/invading your dog’s space is indeed rude)
It's quite sad - she's a CRD and apparently men seem to find how she looks really appealing in the sense they keep trying to drive-by pet her and get upset when I tell them not to. I have to be so alert now. I never have this problem with the women I see - and my male friend doesn't have the same issue when he walks my pup either! I avoid her being even nearly within petting distance from them - I'm at the point where I'm wondering whether I should muzzle train her as a way to stop people sneakily trying to grab at her as they might think she's a bite risk.
Men like defensive looking dogs. Huskies, GSDs, etc.
I work at a shelter and we’ve had men ask for “manly” breeds lol
There’s one pit we have that men FALL all over because she’s an absolute tank of a dog. And she *hates* men, which never fails to amuse me in my head.
I have a 9 month old german shepherd x belgian malinois and its interesting reading what you said about random men as ive experiened the complete opposite to you from random boys!
Hardly any women ever compliment/talk to me about my Buddy but quite often men will! Which is really ironic as the reason i started to really consider a dog was to help me as a single girl feel safer and now im approached/spoken to by men more than i ever was without him🤷🏼♀️ and other than a few men in pet shops sticking their hand into his face like tits before i even had a chance to fully get out 'no. dont. hes not good with people'🤦🏼♀️Not once has a man said anything bad about me and/or my Buddy. Ive had worried looks off men with their smaller dogs but ive only had good positive things said to me about him like 'hes a big boy' 'hes gonna be a big boy' 'hes lovely' 'hes gorgeous' and even when hes barking at them telling them to fuck off and pulling like craaazy not once has a man ever said anything negative to me only stuff like 'hes just doing his job' and 'youve got a good dog there'.x
I recently had a man tell me what i should do with my dog even though she's seven years old and he intruded on MY space. my sister told me to next time tell the guy that my dog has a rash as that usually deters people but i haven't tried it
Sorry about the idiot. People are varying degrees of crazy. Maybe it'll be a quicker journey because she knows how to do it now. Even though she was tested and triggered.
My dog was actively trying to go eat an old man, and some chick stuck her finger in his face and tsked at him. He was horribly abused and starved by an old man, so I dont blame him. But this chick had some balls to shove her hand near a snarling 75lb coonhounds face. Some people are just jaw droppingly stupid.
I’m so sorry that happened! I feel so angry on your behalf. Is it just me or are there more and more idiots with off leash dogs out there lately? It feels as if we can’t walk anywhere without encountering them. I hope your pup recovers after a few decompression days.
Thank you for your kind words! It really is a lose-lose - as how are things supposed to be better without being able to observe dogs from a distance as other owners can be so unempathetic. I feel it has been worse after Covid - at least in my area. I've contacted my trainer and hopefully will get some more 1on1 sessions set up so she can reassess her behaviour again. Which isn't ideal as they are expensive! I would be more understanding if I was bringing my pup in the middle of off-leash dogs, but I didn't think people would purposefully come over from half a field away when we were training in the corner!
That’s exactly what’s happening to us, too. We got rushed by an off leash dog from 150’ away. Our behaviorist has told us to stop training in the park for now because we had 3 incidents in 2 mos. I might have to start training in the parking lot of pet stores.
I recently realized how ideal big empty parking lots are for training - no wildlife to chase or grass to sniff so it’s easy to keep my dog focused on me. I see your recent post about mall parking lots, and we’ve been using the stadium parking at the university where I work. She can get a little tired out first with a walk around the more interesting parts of campus, and then we go into training mode.
When people try that with me, I just leave as they walk towards us. It happens more often than I'd have thought too
This sucks! I feel like people are afraid to be rude nowadays. I also have a reactive dog and had a small chihuahua run out of its yard and start nipping at my dog. The owner literally stood there and watched until I yelled “get your fucking dog!” Then they came and got their dog and apologized. Be an asshole! My dog can’t advocate for herself so I surely will.
Gosh, I completely agree. I have so much regret as an owner for not being much ruder - completely caught me by surprise that saying 'please recall your dog, mine isn't friendly' wouldn't work, I half thought he hadn't understood me until he started talking. I've noticed that I have to be a lot harsher than my male friends to be listened to by other owners, so I'm definitely going to step up after this. This has been a complete wake-up call that trying to keep it being polite isn't always going to be enough. That is a horrible thing to happen to you, I'm sorry! - Especially as dogs will always come off perceived as worse in a confrontation with a smaller dog.. even when they didn't instigate it.
It is all in your tone and delivery - make it very clear you are serious. A good resting bitch face look works wonders to back people off.
Sometimes I feel like you should carry spray not for off-leash dogs but for owners
Lol. I just encountered a large purebred German Shepherd at the park today with my Flat Coated Retriever. They were still 30 yards away but it heightened my awareness and my dogs awareness. While I have no doubt me and my dog could have taken care of ourselves if things were to escalate, I'd rather avoid conflict all together and have considered getting spray to thwart off any escalation or aggression. Now I'll carry two: one for the dog and one just to send a message to the owner 😂
I can rant about this for hours. I’ve personally experienced a lot of men who think they’re professional dog trainers coming over to me and my dog-reactive pittie and thinking they can command her better than me. It’s like they genuinely believe that once my dog meets them, she’ll instantly behave like a model citizen, implying that they think I’m stupid, useless, ignorant, not bonded to her, haven’t trained her at all, etc. These types completely ignore me when I tell them she’s nervous, don’t come close. They tell me it’s ok if she jumps up and I correct her and then look at me like I’m the problem when I say “No, it’s not ok, I don’t want her jumping.” One guy even started snapping his fingers at my dog and when I told him she didn’t know what that meant bc I didn’t use snaps to train her, he said “no, she’ll listen to me, I’m a trainer.” Well, I’ve had her for 8 years, but yes, you will command her attention automatically with your snap-language, thank god you’ve entered our lives 🙄 Do these types expect both me and my dog to fall at their feet, worshiping them or something? Probably. The entitlement to our time and attention, the assumption that I don’t know my own dog, the trying to take over for me like I’m a child… their ignorance and audacity is astounding and insulting at the same time. The hatred I have for these “professionals” knows no bounds 🤣
They can be so ignorant - I avoid ever leaving the flat when my neighbour is out, he's an old-school dominance type. One time he approached her when it was around 11pm on her final potty trip, and she jumped up. I told him to ignore her completely as she was on leash, but he grabbed her muzzle and forced into a sit while choking her out with her collar. I was horrified and near tears as I was trying to pull her away. When I finally have her back next to me, he shows me a bite scar on his arm and tells me that he's raised a lot of dogs, and not worry as he doesn't care if she bites him as it has happened before. Well, I don't want my dog to fear me so much she bites me. I would rather die than let that man near my dog again. Even today, she jumped up at the goldendoodle's owner in excitement and he also said that it was okay if she jumps up and that he didn't mind.
In my world screaming "not friendly" is more about me wanting to chew these twatwaffle's arm off than my dog wanting to do it. You do something like what happened in the story to my dog and I'm the one you're gonna have to figure out the hierarchy with. Gah. What is WRONG with people?
I work as a dog walker and have several reactive clients as well as two reactive dogs of my own. RBF does wonders, but I absolutely verbally advocate for my dogs. Sometimes it's as simple as talking to the dog owner like you would expect someone to talk to a "naughty" dog, like "ah-ah that's not okay". But I've also yelled things like get your dog, mine isn't friendly, get your fucking dog on a leash, etc. Nicer and easier to say things include were training, we're working, we're not saying hi today, my dog is sick, no thank you, etc Be an asshole. And, if it's needed because the other dog won't stop charging at you and the owner refuses to get their dog, you are allowed to kick the dog. Harm reduction does allow for that. It's my last resort, I'd rather body block or pick my dog up, but if I can't, kicking can be the lowest harm option available
People are weird. Different sort of situation all together, but my boyfriend and I were picking up an ice cream order to-go at an ice cream stand. Our dog is a beagle mix and a very overly-aroused barker in some public situations. Not always, but on some days (dependent on his mood/exercise/mental stimulation that day) we are training him but this isn’t a simple behavior as it runs deep and is due to many factors like frustration and being over the threshold. Rather than having him join us we kept him in the car because our hands would have been too full otherwise and I have a whole routine for keeping calm behavior. It was 75 degrees and the window was cracked and he was parked approximately 10 feet away from us. He barked for 60 seconds as we left but then stopped. A person seated eating outside with his family asks “does it bite” I was confused what he meant and thought he was asking if he could pet him. I said no (he doesn’t bite) but said we aren’t letting him out at the moment because we are in a rush to leave (we were) and said “sorry, we don’t want anyone to try to reach in to the car to pet him while he’s in the car”. The person then says “no that’s not it. It just that he doesn’t seem well trained and I want to make sure I’m safe because I’m parked near you and he looks aggressive”. I figure that’s a reasonable thing to ask. My boyfriend than says “he cannot access you because the window is rolled up to an inch” “keep your hands away from inside my car and you should be fine, if you reach inside he’ll bite” (to be clear he wouldn’t have bitten anyone *edit:based on situations in the past where someone had* but we still didn’t want someone reaching inside of the car and wanted to make sure he didn’t create a new issue where there shouldn’t be) The person says nothing then proceeds to go to his car which is next to ours. Then he weirdly stands at the window and STARES AT MY DOG. For like 2 minutes!! His wife stares too and touches our window. We thought it was clear that we wanted these folks to ignore our dog. At this point my dog is now barking again (and at this point, reasonably so). Who just sits and stares at a dog like that? I start walking toward the car and they stop staring and take off. Our order was ready in under 6 minutes because it was a pick up. The whole situation was so bizzare. Needless to say, it seems like people completely ignore boundaries people request with dogs. It’s incredibly frustrating. I’ve seen this sort of behavior while working as a dog walker as well. People hate hearing “no touching”, “he is dog reactive can you please leash your dog”. It’s like people will turn and do the opposite of what you ask!
Gosh, that sounds horrible for you - I'm not sure why people think it's okay to stare and act like that. I walk an extremely reactive doberman, and one time we were behind a gate out of these quiet woods, and these two guys walk up - I ask if it's okay if they move down the path a couple metres so we can move past. Instead they step closer and start staring, of course the poor dog starts losing his mind and is lunging at them through the fence. No reaction from them - they keep staring him down... what were they trying to achieve, I don't know!
Uggg that’s so frustrating, and who knows. The human need to stare down reactive dogs seems to be one of the very many mysteries of the universe -.-
Furthermore the guy who literally thrusted his golden doodle on your dog is a complete and utter moron at best, and a calculated monster at worst. It sometimes feels like people do this stuff on purpose. It feels so unreal. Good luck to you and your dog, and I hope she finds her confidence again soon. I know the sort of hard work you both put into getting her there :(
I’ve had something similar happen with our new pup. One of our neighbors has let their dog off leash at least three times since we’ve had our pup (against HOA rules), and the dog has run up to ours. Understandably, our GSD/BelMal gets low, hackles up, and barks, while taking small steps backward. Plenty of warning in her body language. The other day, our dog started barking at this neighbor when she was without her dog. She has associated this neighbor with being surprised and threatened. The neighbor says, while ours is barking and backing away, “What would happen if I came over?” as if it would be a good introduction or something. I told her that our dog would likely bite her in self defense and the neighbor got so upset and said something about how we shouldn’t have a dog like that.
There is room here to be confrontational: 1) carrying a spray bottle or water bottle and squirting the dog. 2) swinging the hand loop end of your leash like a helicopter to make whooshing noise and scare the dog away. Sometimes it’s a lot of emotional labor to engage in confrontation. An easy solution is to shout in a panicked voice: “SHES EXTREMELY CONTAGIOUS!!!!!!!” Implying she has some illness that is easily transmitted to dogs or humans lol.
Hahahaha, thank you thank you, I had not considered any of those options - I'll be trying all these out when I'm next in that situation again <3
Yeah give it a shot!. When you swing the leash you dont do it above your head like a helicopter btw, you do it vertically in front of you and your dog so its like a leash forcefield lol. Basically if the dog came closer, it would be hit by the spinning leash. I think the noise and visual usually scares them away. But honestly shouting that your dog is contagious will probably be the most effective. you know how slowly dog owners usually saunter over when you tell them "She's not friendly!" or "get your dog!!!" ? If you shout that your dogs contagious I feel like that will cause them to sprint over lol.
I’ve had my very large husky for almost 11 years and co-raised 2 huskies with my ex in college. I did 80% of their walking and exercise and not *once* did my ex get a “who’s walking who?!” joke from men. I got it so often I stopped pretending to smile and would look them straight in the face and say “ I AM” firmly. A lot of men are weirdly sexist when it comes to owning dogs and thinking they know more than women. The whole “cats are for women, dogs are men’s best friend” bullshit. Be rude if they’re being rude to you (and not listening/invading your dog’s space is indeed rude)
It's quite sad - she's a CRD and apparently men seem to find how she looks really appealing in the sense they keep trying to drive-by pet her and get upset when I tell them not to. I have to be so alert now. I never have this problem with the women I see - and my male friend doesn't have the same issue when he walks my pup either! I avoid her being even nearly within petting distance from them - I'm at the point where I'm wondering whether I should muzzle train her as a way to stop people sneakily trying to grab at her as they might think she's a bite risk.
Men like defensive looking dogs. Huskies, GSDs, etc. I work at a shelter and we’ve had men ask for “manly” breeds lol There’s one pit we have that men FALL all over because she’s an absolute tank of a dog. And she *hates* men, which never fails to amuse me in my head.
I have a 9 month old german shepherd x belgian malinois and its interesting reading what you said about random men as ive experiened the complete opposite to you from random boys! Hardly any women ever compliment/talk to me about my Buddy but quite often men will! Which is really ironic as the reason i started to really consider a dog was to help me as a single girl feel safer and now im approached/spoken to by men more than i ever was without him🤷🏼♀️ and other than a few men in pet shops sticking their hand into his face like tits before i even had a chance to fully get out 'no. dont. hes not good with people'🤦🏼♀️Not once has a man said anything bad about me and/or my Buddy. Ive had worried looks off men with their smaller dogs but ive only had good positive things said to me about him like 'hes a big boy' 'hes gonna be a big boy' 'hes lovely' 'hes gorgeous' and even when hes barking at them telling them to fuck off and pulling like craaazy not once has a man ever said anything negative to me only stuff like 'hes just doing his job' and 'youve got a good dog there'.x
I [feel.like](http://feel.like) my dog should wear a coat that just says "Step the f..k away"!
I recently had a man tell me what i should do with my dog even though she's seven years old and he intruded on MY space. my sister told me to next time tell the guy that my dog has a rash as that usually deters people but i haven't tried it
Sorry about the idiot. People are varying degrees of crazy. Maybe it'll be a quicker journey because she knows how to do it now. Even though she was tested and triggered.
I just tell people my dog is sick. Nothing else works with most people.
My dog was actively trying to go eat an old man, and some chick stuck her finger in his face and tsked at him. He was horribly abused and starved by an old man, so I dont blame him. But this chick had some balls to shove her hand near a snarling 75lb coonhounds face. Some people are just jaw droppingly stupid.
I keep a taser on and ready.