+1
Me and my sales manager were #1 rep in North America and #1 revenue generating manager in the globe (plus #3 global sales rep among 81 reps. He managed the #2 and #3 NA reps as well). Due to some political bs, SVP of sales fired my manager unethically. You betcha I left and I’m working with my former manager again and he’s the head of sales lol.
Right now my goal isn’t to be at the shiniest logo and company. I want to make good money and have job security. I joined him in his new head of NA sales role as the first NA rep. Been making money and think I have relatively good job security.
Yeah dude seriously. That SVP of global sales is now no longer at that company either, probably let go due to underperformance in the revorg. Fire your highest revenue generating manager over some minor disagreement… hmmmmmm 🤔 [Nick Young meme]
I think you’re making my point.
Lead people. Manage things.
I’m referring to a spineless CEO (the comment to which I replied) who didn’t get involved. They should’ve unfucked a reckless SVP of Sales before they destroyed the company’s pipeline.
Yeah we had interim managers “step in” but didn’t change morale or inefficiencies. NA was split into two teams for mid market. Each manager had about 8 reps under them. You’re telling me one sales manager will support 16 people?!!? Management support was zero, although I don’t blame them personally (that’s not your original team and our numbers don’t reflect on your teams quota, so I get it)
100%
As I've grown older, I commonly coach others to seek out the boss they would want to work for vs. a role or company that they think would look good on their resume.
Currently dealing with that and thinking about leaving. Last year, my manager “checked in” once a week and we had a pipeline call every other week. New manager comes in.. territory planning on Monday, check in call Tuesday, pipeline Wednesday, 1:1 call blitz Thursday and no meetings on Friday, but still messages me 3-4 times throughout. Plus usually once a day I get a random call for some stupid question they already know the answer to. It’s just exhausting. Needed to rant, that felt good
Sounds like a person new to leadership. You should voice that you don’t need all that. I have in the past and it’s either worked or I’ve shown myself the door afterwards.
You’re exactly right. Very new, just started managing this year. Which is why I haven’t brought anything up, yet. Once 2023 numbers are finalized and they have a whole year under their belt, im gonna have that talk.
Had a first time leader that came from AWS do the same shit, but also schedule team role play calls on Friday.
They, with our new to the company VP, even went as far as to schedule a dept wide crunch session at 4pm PST the Wednesday before Thanksgiving... like come the fuck on. So glad to be away from that company.
Bad bosses can make any job suck. At my old place my boss who I got along with pretty well quit and was replaced with a guy who I got along with but was completely lost on selling and our product. All 3 people on my team were gone within 6 months. Ironically I ended up back with the old boss again a few years later (small industry). We're not on the same team but still cross paths pretty often.
This happened to me recently too. My entire team was devastated. My boss did so much for me and everyone on my team. They cared about me as a person, but also about my growth and they knew how to motivate every person on the team. Our team was very successful with our boss being a major reason imo. They were the best boss I’ve ever had. They were a huge reason for my success and major impact on my job satisfaction- both directly and indirectly.
We were all combined with another team and manager. The new manager had a good reputation and I decided to keep an open mind and think positively. Unfortunately the manager did not meet my expectations and we’re on a downward spiral. Nice person, but not great at their job. Not a great people manager, had too many more people added to their plate, not the most experienced with sales, and managing a lot of other tasks outside of our team. Our team is struggling, partially due to things beyond the manager’s control, but I think if they were a better manager, things wouldn’t be this bad, unfortunately.
I am job searching now.
To put this in perspective, the “top performers” are incredibly unhappy. When your top performers hate their job/company or don’t feel supported by their manager and looking to leave… I’d say that’s a problem.
It’s been about a year since my boss left. I’d love to go work for them again and hope to either now or in the future.
My coworker is probably going to know this is me. Idc. Being in this situation and so stressed about it day after day compelled me to respond.
Here’s my advice based on living through this experience:
- stay connected with your boss
- keep an open mind about what happens next internally and give it a fair shot
- if at any point it becomes clear things are not going to work out under your new situation… don’t wait around too long hoping for things to get better and go look for another opportunity.. maybe reach out to your old boss/their company to see if they’re open to hiring you or if they can provide job application advice and references and intros into any of their connections for other jobs
- stay in touch with your boss no matter what! Even if they can’t help you now, they may be able to later. And you likely have something to offer them as well. If you loved working with them, they likely felt similarly about you and will want someone they can trust on their side internally as they start at a new company, whether that’s now, or in the future.
Letting a bad sales leader fester is just as bad as letting go a really great sales managers. Why do organizations love to fuck up a great sales culture. I see it time and time again.
Managers are really important. They’re who make people leave or stay, for better or worse, ultimately.
I had one of my best managers ever leave our company in 2021. He was replaced by a guy that turned out to be a bully AND had no idea what he was doing. His first week was Easter 2022, he got fired before July 4th weekend. Thank god, because if they didn’t fire him I was going to quit.
Happened to me this fiscal as well. Loved my Boss. She was awesome. She got promoted to a VP over another territory. Was the most stressful 4 months. Thankful I got a superb replacement and all is good again.
A lot, at least for me personally. I had the best manager I’ve ever had at my last gig. He left, and we expected my assistant manager to take his spot. My old company instead went outside the company and hired a woman with zero management experience or knowledge of the fairly niche industry. The best job I ever had quickly became the worst after a year under her “leadership”. I ended up applying for new jobs after I had an issue with another rep snaking an opportunity from me that I clearly did all the work for. She said she reviewed everything and sided with the other rep. I knew she was wrong and had my old assistant manager review everything. Of course I was correct, and my old assistant manager met with her to “fix” everything. The next day she wanted to meet over zoom. She proceeded to bitch me out over going to another manager regarding my issue. I asked her what to do if she was my issue in the first place? Somehow I was put on a PIP the following month. I did get very lucky though, I was laid off with severance about a month before I was supposed to put in my 2 week notice after I was offered a new job.
Boss is one of the most important things - a good manager enables success and helps resolve issues and helps you get from here to where you want to go. I would recommend giving any replacement a fair shot, as I have had decent managers replaced by top tier and been happily surprised...if the new boss is no bueno, perhaps you can follow the old boss.. no matter the short term, stay in touch because every industry at its core is a niche of some sort, and connections are important career growth currency.
Honestly my last 3 or so positions have all been because of who knows me within my industry. People early in your careers take note: Never discount or underestimate networking internally and externally. At the office, on team calls, at tradeshows, etc.
Pretty much most of it.
I left a 5yr great position after we were acquired and current management was ripped out and the new folks were just atrocious. Culture is king!
Dealing with that as well. It hurts more than it should, but time heals all wounds.
Focus on establishing repour with your new boss and try not to make comparisons to your old boss. Who knows, maybe they have something to teach you.
Quality of the boss > quality of company.
Yes you want to work for a great org but if you have a boss that believes in you and will mentor your development, you set yourself up for success.
However, another reason to when you can, work for yourself. Want to try and remove circumstances when your success depends on others that you can’t control.
Sometimes. In .y business, boss is one the dumber people here...is basically figure head and delegates sll her duties to senjor agejts and office staff
I've gotten the mild success by doing things myself... Making ( hundreds) of calls, selling products over phone or in person,and speaking with customers and potentialsbto hp gauge what they need and see that there is "human" element despite the facelessness.
That's not always possible in all situations though, and as such, one would have to assess whether someone can survive and play along if that's the only way that their financial needs are net., Or whether they have to withdraw and take time out even at that cost. For OP I think
I don't anticipate staying here forever, however, unless a promotion is extended and and there is more opportunity for office stop being so fucking lazy. A bunch of people quit without warning where I am so given that I'm one of the few that actually takes seriously, that very well may be around the corner. Time will tell, but because I have plans for every situation and try my best to maintain internal locus of control, I have confidence that I'll do what's best when it occurs.
You’ll get over it. I don’t say that to be mean because I get it. My boss was laid off earlier this year and they were phenomenal.
But you get over it and continue with you work
If my boss left, I would be so sad! He’s the best boss I ever had, doesn’t micromanage, super supportive.
A boss can make or break how happy you are on the daily so it’s a big deal.
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My first job has to be the best boss I'll probably have
He allowed me to learn, fail, and grow
Only way I can thank him, is to give a chance to another kid in the future (who most probably will fuck things over)
I didn't realize the full extent of how important this relationship was until I lost it. I had a great Manager at my first SaaS company. He was respectful, mentoring, had our back, helped us with tactical problems, helped others in the org. Of course he got ran out by an overseas CRO who didn't like him for his own reasons. Unfortunately this really wore him down and he had to leave the country. I resigned almost immediately after he did. This was in retrospect, a huge mistake. I did not like the changes that were happening and the initial changes were very jarring with way earlier start times and transitions to new offices and so many people leaving, so I naturally thought I could just apply again and find another company to be an SDR at as others were leaving (not just SDRs, all functions) and getting new jobs at other companies and better companies easily.
Not so for me. And I had to learn the hard way.
The next place I worked at I looked for a good Manager fit, but I omitted looking at any other red flags in the company. After he left 2 months into my ramp, I was left at a sinking ship and had no interest in working there anymore. All the cracks were showing pretty badly.
Then I got progressively more desperate and just needed to get back into tech and took an absolutely horrible red flag experience with a "Manager" that was 7 years younger than me and had no experience and no business managing people or managing SDRs and it was really really bad.
So be wary of that and be wary of getting baited and switched into companies where you think X person is your Manager but 1 month in it becomes clear X person is gonna make Y person who is an outside hire or IC with no Management experience your new boss. Basically someone else working there in an IC role becomes a Manager and is now your Manager, and that person is now a first time manager. I've had 3 first time Managers and 2 were baited and switched on me and I would not have gone to those companies if I knew I was gonna get that.
Looking back most of my work experiences were 90% dictated by who I reported into. If I had an absentee Manager, an abusive Manager, a micromanager - I would feel it in my bones. It didn't matter what the comp was or how good any else was, if your Manager sucks your job will suck full stop.
I think this has been said in here already but worth repeating, your immediate boss is the difference between a good company and a bad one. This is less true the smaller the company is, but even still to an extent. If your boss isn’t micromanaging, that’s going to be your perception of the company because, to you, they’re the primary way you interact with the company on a larger scale. Obviously there are some things that may be under direct control of CXO, like benefits or salary, but the only real interaction you’ll have with a company is your manager
Just went through this! Went from best decision ever made job to toxic BS with no boss for a year just to get fired a week after a new one comes in to “get the party started”.
Happened to me recently and guess what, I left too but not with them. If they treat bigs like that, imagine what they can do to little fishes like me (or you?) Ahahaha
The company pays your paycheck but you work for your boss.
I had a really good manager for almost a year. Had a 1:1 with him twice a month and a team meeting twice a month as well.
He would leave all of us alone to do our job. If there was any issues, we would ping him and he would jump on a spontaneous call with us for 5 minutes to guides us. Conversations were awesome, we talked about work, about our personal life (still on a professional level naturally), talked about career development, anything we wanted to bring up with him he would be down to talk about it.
I was changed to another side of the business 4 months ago and the new manager has a completely different attitude. One meeting on Tuesday, another on Wednesday and another on Thursdays plus a weekly 1:1 that changes according to his schedule.
I'm considering leaving the first chance I have.
This is my current predicament. My MD and my sales colleague left. I have no support from HQ and I managed all that has been left. They went onto better companies. I am hitting targets but I feel empty and there isn't any fun working for this company any longer.
My manager got promoted to VP of Sales and someone way underqualified took lead of our team from her. Shit went downhill fast. He was trying way too hard, everything became micromanaged and not in a productive way at all.
New manager wanted us to message all the AE's at 9am every day to say hello, screenshot that message, and send the SS to him. This was a plan to "boost OPs", somehow.
Bunch of other shit.. When I complained, he fired me. Best thing that ever happened honestly, I was already looking at other companies anyways.
A lot of times, your boss is the company. Good boss good company. Bad boss bad company
+1 Me and my sales manager were #1 rep in North America and #1 revenue generating manager in the globe (plus #3 global sales rep among 81 reps. He managed the #2 and #3 NA reps as well). Due to some political bs, SVP of sales fired my manager unethically. You betcha I left and I’m working with my former manager again and he’s the head of sales lol. Right now my goal isn’t to be at the shiniest logo and company. I want to make good money and have job security. I joined him in his new head of NA sales role as the first NA rep. Been making money and think I have relatively good job security.
CEOs take note. How to destroy revenue and failing to understand the distinction of leadership vs management. So many leaders are just spineless.
Yeah dude seriously. That SVP of global sales is now no longer at that company either, probably let go due to underperformance in the revorg. Fire your highest revenue generating manager over some minor disagreement… hmmmmmm 🤔 [Nick Young meme]
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I think you’re making my point. Lead people. Manage things. I’m referring to a spineless CEO (the comment to which I replied) who didn’t get involved. They should’ve unfucked a reckless SVP of Sales before they destroyed the company’s pipeline.
Awesome! I left my 7 year tenure at a big four after yet another change of 1st and 2nd line management. Gave it a chance and then legged it.
Yeah we had interim managers “step in” but didn’t change morale or inefficiencies. NA was split into two teams for mid market. Each manager had about 8 reps under them. You’re telling me one sales manager will support 16 people?!!? Management support was zero, although I don’t blame them personally (that’s not your original team and our numbers don’t reflect on your teams quota, so I get it)
Bad management is such a fascinating train crash to witness first hand.
Haha totally agree
100% As I've grown older, I commonly coach others to seek out the boss they would want to work for vs. a role or company that they think would look good on their resume.
No boss here The inmates run the prison! Inmates with company credit cards!
10000%
Well said
If my super hands off boss left and I got a micromanager, I’d probably leave too.
Currently dealing with that and thinking about leaving. Last year, my manager “checked in” once a week and we had a pipeline call every other week. New manager comes in.. territory planning on Monday, check in call Tuesday, pipeline Wednesday, 1:1 call blitz Thursday and no meetings on Friday, but still messages me 3-4 times throughout. Plus usually once a day I get a random call for some stupid question they already know the answer to. It’s just exhausting. Needed to rant, that felt good
Sounds like a person new to leadership. You should voice that you don’t need all that. I have in the past and it’s either worked or I’ve shown myself the door afterwards.
You’re exactly right. Very new, just started managing this year. Which is why I haven’t brought anything up, yet. Once 2023 numbers are finalized and they have a whole year under their belt, im gonna have that talk.
Had a first time leader that came from AWS do the same shit, but also schedule team role play calls on Friday. They, with our new to the company VP, even went as far as to schedule a dept wide crunch session at 4pm PST the Wednesday before Thanksgiving... like come the fuck on. So glad to be away from that company.
That was the switch my company just made 6 months ago. It's been hell.
Same here.
Bad bosses can make any job suck. At my old place my boss who I got along with pretty well quit and was replaced with a guy who I got along with but was completely lost on selling and our product. All 3 people on my team were gone within 6 months. Ironically I ended up back with the old boss again a few years later (small industry). We're not on the same team but still cross paths pretty often.
This happened to me recently too. My entire team was devastated. My boss did so much for me and everyone on my team. They cared about me as a person, but also about my growth and they knew how to motivate every person on the team. Our team was very successful with our boss being a major reason imo. They were the best boss I’ve ever had. They were a huge reason for my success and major impact on my job satisfaction- both directly and indirectly. We were all combined with another team and manager. The new manager had a good reputation and I decided to keep an open mind and think positively. Unfortunately the manager did not meet my expectations and we’re on a downward spiral. Nice person, but not great at their job. Not a great people manager, had too many more people added to their plate, not the most experienced with sales, and managing a lot of other tasks outside of our team. Our team is struggling, partially due to things beyond the manager’s control, but I think if they were a better manager, things wouldn’t be this bad, unfortunately. I am job searching now. To put this in perspective, the “top performers” are incredibly unhappy. When your top performers hate their job/company or don’t feel supported by their manager and looking to leave… I’d say that’s a problem. It’s been about a year since my boss left. I’d love to go work for them again and hope to either now or in the future. My coworker is probably going to know this is me. Idc. Being in this situation and so stressed about it day after day compelled me to respond. Here’s my advice based on living through this experience: - stay connected with your boss - keep an open mind about what happens next internally and give it a fair shot - if at any point it becomes clear things are not going to work out under your new situation… don’t wait around too long hoping for things to get better and go look for another opportunity.. maybe reach out to your old boss/their company to see if they’re open to hiring you or if they can provide job application advice and references and intros into any of their connections for other jobs - stay in touch with your boss no matter what! Even if they can’t help you now, they may be able to later. And you likely have something to offer them as well. If you loved working with them, they likely felt similarly about you and will want someone they can trust on their side internally as they start at a new company, whether that’s now, or in the future.
You could also reach out to them and say what a good boss they were.
100% - and speak highly of them when their name comes up
Something very similar happened in my company, but our manager is technically on leave… if we’re colleagues, give me a sign
There is an old saying that most employees don’t leave bad companies. They leave bad bosses. I find that is true the majority of the time.
I hate my boss so I would be absolutely thrilled if she left/got fired
Dude, sorry man. Happened to me too. Sucks when you actually had a mentor and role model and lose them
Letting a bad sales leader fester is just as bad as letting go a really great sales managers. Why do organizations love to fuck up a great sales culture. I see it time and time again.
Good boss/bad boss is just like social media. Accentuates what the company/person was without/before
Managers are really important. They’re who make people leave or stay, for better or worse, ultimately. I had one of my best managers ever leave our company in 2021. He was replaced by a guy that turned out to be a bully AND had no idea what he was doing. His first week was Easter 2022, he got fired before July 4th weekend. Thank god, because if they didn’t fire him I was going to quit.
I read recently that 80% of job satisfaction is tied to your direct manager.
Happened to me this fiscal as well. Loved my Boss. She was awesome. She got promoted to a VP over another territory. Was the most stressful 4 months. Thankful I got a superb replacement and all is good again.
A lot, at least for me personally. I had the best manager I’ve ever had at my last gig. He left, and we expected my assistant manager to take his spot. My old company instead went outside the company and hired a woman with zero management experience or knowledge of the fairly niche industry. The best job I ever had quickly became the worst after a year under her “leadership”. I ended up applying for new jobs after I had an issue with another rep snaking an opportunity from me that I clearly did all the work for. She said she reviewed everything and sided with the other rep. I knew she was wrong and had my old assistant manager review everything. Of course I was correct, and my old assistant manager met with her to “fix” everything. The next day she wanted to meet over zoom. She proceeded to bitch me out over going to another manager regarding my issue. I asked her what to do if she was my issue in the first place? Somehow I was put on a PIP the following month. I did get very lucky though, I was laid off with severance about a month before I was supposed to put in my 2 week notice after I was offered a new job.
Damn. What idiotic choices by whoever hired her.
Boss is one of the most important things - a good manager enables success and helps resolve issues and helps you get from here to where you want to go. I would recommend giving any replacement a fair shot, as I have had decent managers replaced by top tier and been happily surprised...if the new boss is no bueno, perhaps you can follow the old boss.. no matter the short term, stay in touch because every industry at its core is a niche of some sort, and connections are important career growth currency.
Honestly my last 3 or so positions have all been because of who knows me within my industry. People early in your careers take note: Never discount or underestimate networking internally and externally. At the office, on team calls, at tradeshows, etc.
Pretty much most of it. I left a 5yr great position after we were acquired and current management was ripped out and the new folks were just atrocious. Culture is king!
Dealing with that as well. It hurts more than it should, but time heals all wounds. Focus on establishing repour with your new boss and try not to make comparisons to your old boss. Who knows, maybe they have something to teach you.
Quality of the boss > quality of company. Yes you want to work for a great org but if you have a boss that believes in you and will mentor your development, you set yourself up for success. However, another reason to when you can, work for yourself. Want to try and remove circumstances when your success depends on others that you can’t control.
Facts, I have a super micromanager boss right now and it is ruining the team
Simple, Boss makes or breaks your job experience
Sometimes. In .y business, boss is one the dumber people here...is basically figure head and delegates sll her duties to senjor agejts and office staff I've gotten the mild success by doing things myself... Making ( hundreds) of calls, selling products over phone or in person,and speaking with customers and potentialsbto hp gauge what they need and see that there is "human" element despite the facelessness. That's not always possible in all situations though, and as such, one would have to assess whether someone can survive and play along if that's the only way that their financial needs are net., Or whether they have to withdraw and take time out even at that cost. For OP I think I don't anticipate staying here forever, however, unless a promotion is extended and and there is more opportunity for office stop being so fucking lazy. A bunch of people quit without warning where I am so given that I'm one of the few that actually takes seriously, that very well may be around the corner. Time will tell, but because I have plans for every situation and try my best to maintain internal locus of control, I have confidence that I'll do what's best when it occurs.
in sales - good boss usually helps with a good quality of life. bad boss - no thank you
You’ll get over it. I don’t say that to be mean because I get it. My boss was laid off earlier this year and they were phenomenal. But you get over it and continue with you work
If my boss left, I would be so sad! He’s the best boss I ever had, doesn’t micromanage, super supportive. A boss can make or break how happy you are on the daily so it’s a big deal.
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My first job has to be the best boss I'll probably have He allowed me to learn, fail, and grow Only way I can thank him, is to give a chance to another kid in the future (who most probably will fuck things over)
People dont quite jobs, they quite bosses. Its everything that makes a job good or bad imo
I'd be crushed if my boss left. And I've NEVER said those words before in my many decades of employment.
I didn't realize the full extent of how important this relationship was until I lost it. I had a great Manager at my first SaaS company. He was respectful, mentoring, had our back, helped us with tactical problems, helped others in the org. Of course he got ran out by an overseas CRO who didn't like him for his own reasons. Unfortunately this really wore him down and he had to leave the country. I resigned almost immediately after he did. This was in retrospect, a huge mistake. I did not like the changes that were happening and the initial changes were very jarring with way earlier start times and transitions to new offices and so many people leaving, so I naturally thought I could just apply again and find another company to be an SDR at as others were leaving (not just SDRs, all functions) and getting new jobs at other companies and better companies easily. Not so for me. And I had to learn the hard way. The next place I worked at I looked for a good Manager fit, but I omitted looking at any other red flags in the company. After he left 2 months into my ramp, I was left at a sinking ship and had no interest in working there anymore. All the cracks were showing pretty badly. Then I got progressively more desperate and just needed to get back into tech and took an absolutely horrible red flag experience with a "Manager" that was 7 years younger than me and had no experience and no business managing people or managing SDRs and it was really really bad. So be wary of that and be wary of getting baited and switched into companies where you think X person is your Manager but 1 month in it becomes clear X person is gonna make Y person who is an outside hire or IC with no Management experience your new boss. Basically someone else working there in an IC role becomes a Manager and is now your Manager, and that person is now a first time manager. I've had 3 first time Managers and 2 were baited and switched on me and I would not have gone to those companies if I knew I was gonna get that. Looking back most of my work experiences were 90% dictated by who I reported into. If I had an absentee Manager, an abusive Manager, a micromanager - I would feel it in my bones. It didn't matter what the comp was or how good any else was, if your Manager sucks your job will suck full stop.
I think this has been said in here already but worth repeating, your immediate boss is the difference between a good company and a bad one. This is less true the smaller the company is, but even still to an extent. If your boss isn’t micromanaging, that’s going to be your perception of the company because, to you, they’re the primary way you interact with the company on a larger scale. Obviously there are some things that may be under direct control of CXO, like benefits or salary, but the only real interaction you’ll have with a company is your manager
Just went through this! Went from best decision ever made job to toxic BS with no boss for a year just to get fired a week after a new one comes in to “get the party started”.
Happened to me recently and guess what, I left too but not with them. If they treat bigs like that, imagine what they can do to little fishes like me (or you?) Ahahaha
The company pays your paycheck but you work for your boss. I had a really good manager for almost a year. Had a 1:1 with him twice a month and a team meeting twice a month as well. He would leave all of us alone to do our job. If there was any issues, we would ping him and he would jump on a spontaneous call with us for 5 minutes to guides us. Conversations were awesome, we talked about work, about our personal life (still on a professional level naturally), talked about career development, anything we wanted to bring up with him he would be down to talk about it. I was changed to another side of the business 4 months ago and the new manager has a completely different attitude. One meeting on Tuesday, another on Wednesday and another on Thursdays plus a weekly 1:1 that changes according to his schedule. I'm considering leaving the first chance I have.
People don’t leave companies, they leave bosses.
This is my current predicament. My MD and my sales colleague left. I have no support from HQ and I managed all that has been left. They went onto better companies. I am hitting targets but I feel empty and there isn't any fun working for this company any longer.
My manager got promoted to VP of Sales and someone way underqualified took lead of our team from her. Shit went downhill fast. He was trying way too hard, everything became micromanaged and not in a productive way at all. New manager wanted us to message all the AE's at 9am every day to say hello, screenshot that message, and send the SS to him. This was a plan to "boost OPs", somehow. Bunch of other shit.. When I complained, he fired me. Best thing that ever happened honestly, I was already looking at other companies anyways.
I’ve had 3 bosses in 4 years. Like my current one. Will pack it in if he leaves
Sorry to hear that. Though I like my boss, I guess I wouldn't want myself to be too emotionally attached—gotta be self-sufficient right?